From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 04 02:29:59 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2012 07:29:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47998 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUuec-0004DT-9w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:29:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38854) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TUueZ-0004DL-GZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:29:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUubg-0000bg-A9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:26:57 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_XBL,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:48377) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUubg-0000bc-6t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:26:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUubf-0002tk-9h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:26:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUubd-0000aX-Ko for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:26:55 -0500 Received: from mail-da0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:57476) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TUubd-0000aT-Dg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:26:53 -0500 Received: by mail-da0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i14so2355520dad.0 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:26:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=jcwGX43++BOeCnlY1aUsPtCNKiFi/5ciBwzIKOA9zDA=; b=QrV9KxkBgWODSkE6vAXlLzOjnPI7RI2aoNjfw9vHcMH8ZU3RF3cgRKlGDXJFbMtnsW MKnRbz4zaSjLOC0n5Y3HqCo4HfqNxvp6bmPC0I7ym3JMOU9a15l4JpJBWvNhTnKztS8Z 2faGDQAAJLeXSvkmMEbiXE9JQUoqWRPzZUu9S7dUjTEEcsYIoH2RFs5GvbWZCEnxHO/9 uwXojxrTg9CHZx+rTlXkxXeP8S3Y8qQTH5K+axqdb5rA3cHb3k+ka5kDH8CSTKS6/oZB jBMt+MpBE+LlV4OoeLZHXDW4Y1hEjA1jhMVF+IBgcp7ZaABxMOPmPBJKm2MxZY51398D lA9Q== Received: by 10.66.88.197 with SMTP id bi5mr18832634pab.58.1352014012193; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.184.86.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm8579240pav.33.2012.11.04.00.26.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:58:54 +0530 Message-ID: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) When I am attaching files to mails via C-c C-a, I am fooled in to thinking that the intereface for reading file is not that of ido but the default one (Emacs + icomplete). The problem is slightly exacerbated on my end because of my patch to icomplete.el which shifts the field separator from "," to " | ". I frequently type backspace at the prompt only to be disappointed that the prompt doesn't back out to parent directory but only deletes a char. 1. I can defalias it (defalias 'read-file-name 'ido-read-file-name) 2. One can mark it separately thus (as ido already does for some functions) (put 'read-file-name 'ido 'ido-read-file-name) I am not sure which of the options is best. (2) might be better of the two options but it needs extra handling elswhere. Can someone install the needful, so that I don't keep tripping over differences in the implementation. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.4 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2012-11-03 on debian-6.05 Bzr revision: 110779 dmantipov@yandex.ru-20121103055917-30uwiia169kunlk2 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000 Important settings: value of $LANG: en_IN locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 04 09:01:05 2012 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2012 14:01:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48191 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TV0l7-0005Od-Bc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:01:05 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:40345) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TV0l5-0005OV-Ru for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:01:04 -0500 Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qA4Dw1EO024761; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:58:02 -0500 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1BD5CAE1F7; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:58:02 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido Message-ID: References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:58:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Sun, 04 Nov 2012 12:58:54 +0530") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4392=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4392> : streams <851557> : uri <1259939> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > When I am attaching files to mails via C-c C-a, I am fooled in to > thinking that the intereface for reading file is not that of ido but the > default one (Emacs + icomplete). I do not know why you feel this way. Can you be more precise? > Can someone install the needful, so that I don't keep tripping over > differences in the implementation. Your bug report did not make it clear what are "the needful", I'm afraid. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 04 09:49:19 2012 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2012 14:49:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TV1Vn-0006Qc-HQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:49:19 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com ([209.85.220.44]:55951) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TV1Vl-0006QV-CW for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:49:18 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fb11so3373828pad.3 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:46:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=AXJ7Ai6ztVZcTC1TA0jnZjxX32vWeXMBWaGwKOkZsos=; b=zXu8JUkEAbKp0QB6hiuwARo+xXmo72solxn0Oz1IdoI88RUOVZtx+O3ScTb5nWnUt1 1CZyItxGZjYUmODgqWeDMfVxY4m+rinRDa9ojItK7HWjaMvM9Z4+UtQJuXN8t2bM97ah IIuZp3Y8lPnVQ3UtQV2ifyyqsxLn4cuXHvqUmAlY6VCcWIGGcBX2brTj0DRnVy7IXuv1 CxHSRV5dz1XOC0+Vo13wEcfyNkHDLuC4VfqmPwnz7fQNHq5nW8dL6BPuLy9MZk/RDhO2 i/qsz2lnkg+ZOLmjjHGvRyAmOiIQfybLLmgg7T9vYWtIVJFM42/qlATURg4GRrTHQfBR dm/Q== Received: by 10.68.192.5 with SMTP id hc5mr23053585pbc.16.1352040376192; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.229.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vk5sm7671946pbc.34.2012.11.04.06.46.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Nov 2012 06:46:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:18:13 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 04 Nov 2012 08:58:02 -0500") Message-ID: <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> When I am attaching files to mails via C-c C-a, I am fooled in to >> thinking that the intereface for reading file is not that of ido but the >> default one (Emacs + icomplete). > > I do not know why you feel this way. Can you be more precise? Try it out. (May be you don't rely ido much? May be this is the reason my "experience" seems a bit "out of place" to you?) I gave example of BACKSPACE (which you have stripped). Here are two more data points: 1. With icomplete.el, ido provides very helpful feedback on what level of directory is filled. ido DOES NOT include the trailing "/" in completion but icomplete.el (or more precisely the completion candidates) includes the trailing "/". So when I am `minibuffer-force-complete'-ing I get confused on what directory it is filling. What I am saying is /tangentially related/ to this comment in minibuffer.el and my point is that the visual feedback is not good enough and that what ido does is more sensible. ,---- |;; If completing file names, (car all) may be a directory, so we'd now |;; have a new set of possible completions and might want to reset |;; completion-all-sorted-completions to nil, but we prefer not to, |;; so that repeated calls minibuffer-force-complete still cycle |;; through the previous possible completions. `---- 2. There is also another subtle behavioural difference. To understand look at when icomplete.el display is triggered. It is triggered only when there is something to chew on at the prompt. The disadvantage of "display-help-only-when-there-is-something-typed' is that I get no indications that caller has provided some defaults which I can fill in. In contrast, ido.el always provides instantaneous feedback. I have commented out relevant lines in `icomplete.el' to get instantaneous feedback. ,---- from `icomplete-exhibit' | (if (and ;; (> (point-max) (minibuffer-prompt-end)) | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | ;; buffer-undo-list ; Wait for some user input. | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | (or | ;; Don't bother with delay after certain number of chars: | (> (- (point) (field-beginning)) icomplete-max-delay-chars) | ;; Don't delay if alternatives number is small enough: | (and (sequencep minibuffer-completion-table) | (< (length minibuffer-completion-table) | icomplete-delay-completions-threshold)) | ;; Delay - give some grace time for next keystroke, before | ;; embarking on computing completions: | (sit-for icomplete-compute-delay))) `---- >> Can someone install the needful, so that I don't keep tripping over >> differences in the implementation. > > Your bug report did not make it clear what are "the needful", > I'm afraid. I have indicated two needfuls - defalias (which needs to be undefaliased if ido is turned off) or the (put .. 'ido ..) stuff. Unfortunately, you have deemed it as insubstantial. ps: I am arguing for consistency of file-reading/completion experience. A user cannot be concerned with who provides the interface - ido, iswitchb or anything else. > Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 04 22:22:50 2012 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2012 03:22:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49486 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVDGy-0000mg-4u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:22:49 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:46406) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVDGe-0000mE-LH for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:22:38 -0500 Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qA53JJdh024294; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 22:19:20 -0500 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7EE4EAE1F7; Sun, 4 Nov 2012 22:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido Message-ID: References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:19:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Sun, 04 Nov 2012 20:18:13 +0530") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4392=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4392> : streams <851886> : uri <1260311> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) >>> When I am attaching files to mails via C-c C-a, I am fooled in to >>> thinking that the intereface for reading file is not that of ido but the >>> default one (Emacs + icomplete). >> I do not know why you feel this way. Can you be more precise? > Try it out. (May be you don't rely ido much? May be this is the reason > my "experience" seems a bit "out of place" to you?) > I gave example of BACKSPACE (which you have stripped). To clarify: I have not stated any opinion on what you suggest, for the simple reason that I do not know/understand what it is. Are you reporting a bug in ido, a bug in icomplete, requesting new features in icomplete? >>> Can someone install the needful, so that I don't keep tripping over >>> differences in the implementation. >> Your bug report did not make it clear what are "the needful", >> I'm afraid. > I have indicated two needfuls - defalias (which needs to be undefaliased > if ido is turned off) or the (put .. 'ido ..) stuff. Unfortunately, you > have deemed it as insubstantial. No, I just don't understand what they're about. E.g. why/when do you need them? Why are they a problem? Would you want them to be included in Emacs? If not, are you saying that it should be easier to do it in one's .emacs? > ps: I am arguing for consistency of file-reading/completion experience. > A user cannot be concerned with who provides the interface - ido, > iswitchb or anything else. AFAIK, the default completion is fairly consistent. The iswitchb completion is inconsistent by nature: it's specific to buffer completion. So, this is requesting a change in ido? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 05 15:23:43 2012 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2012 20:23:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVTCx-0003qP-EM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:23:43 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:44740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVTCv-0003qH-GD for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:23:42 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id ro8so4177572pbb.3 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:20:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=YtI6xvym4fzLPA+/bWSqNPvnr4icOrXnpkk6ai52btM=; b=PuXgIt4/886LuFosPD6CPsvBO9FvapQyq6jkdn6FiPUbv/qDl5TiYOH4D2HTzuVseL DhejTZEhH5OCPze6ZzOPh+uwUNZf8nx40kSryosvqIbqJN9FHSFAz7H0SH5GaCmPQZg5 QXYxfScByfe3yDSBSuhx3qrHREqoOhg0LrKKtWChywT0+tOkqU8tDyVS8doL1BIqkiH0 U9DbBj5W1aGkYH4sIu4TzQ3ROc+pDDRQnjaOmIWiGiycQrnfGn/8r/PuQSeoJMFxY1aL y4bI88v7zNCgha+BfgyZ9fB0QUmCV5JYMj5d8lbYy6S++s1Mbzvv/JLc2cx+NBOtqKTU S3Fw== Received: by 10.66.77.74 with SMTP id q10mr31286892paw.81.1352146833558; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.62.84.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uk9sm11032544pbc.63.2012.11.05.12.20.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Nov 2012 12:20:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 01:52:37 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:19:19 -0500") Message-ID: <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) I have tried my level best to make myself understood. I cannot do any better than what I have noted in earlier mails. In summary, there are differences between how ido reads file name at C-x C-f prompt and how `read-file-name' reads file name while doing C-c C-a. The differences are subtle and it is annoying. The suggestion was to map `read-file-name' calls to `ido-read-file-name' within ido.el so that a typical user (that is me!) is not annoyed. -- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 05 18:53:15 2012 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2012 23:53:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51249 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVWTj-00014r-3d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:53:15 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:42617) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVWTg-00014k-Cv for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:53:13 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0FAG6Zu0/O+LEi/2dsb2JhbABEsEiDSYEIghUBAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHAW6CZBEA4hCmnGBWIMH X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="205643260" Received: from 206-248-177-34.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([206.248.177.34]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 05 Nov 2012 18:50:04 -0500 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F26C8AE203; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:50:03 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido Message-ID: References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:50:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2012 01:52:37 +0530") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) > there are differences between how ido reads file name at C-x C-f prompt > and how `read-file-name' reads file name while doing C-c C-a. The > differences are subtle and it is annoying. By "how `read-file-name' reads file name while doing C-c C-a" you mean when ido-mode is enabled and read-file-name-function is set to something like ido-read-file-name? So, this would be a bug (or missing feature maybe) in IDO, right? > The suggestion was to map `read-file-name' calls to `ido-read-file-name' > within ido.el so that a typical user (that is me!) is not annoyed. Hmm... so maybe I misunderstood and you meant C-c C-a is used in ido-mode but without redirecting read-file-name to ido-read-file-name? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 05 20:47:23 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Nov 2012 01:47:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51349 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVYGA-0003cj-UA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:47:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVYG6-0003cW-F8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:47:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVYD3-0007Nc-8d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:44:10 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:35223) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVYD3-0007NS-6B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:44:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVYD2-0001TB-Cj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:44:09 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVYD0-0007Ml-PP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:44:08 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:49063) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TVY2z-0004dN-OL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:33:45 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TVY33-0005eC-K9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:33:49 +0100 Received: from 119.255.41.67 ([119.255.41.67]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:33:49 +0100 Received: from sdl.web by 119.255.41.67 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:33:49 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Leo Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:33:32 +0800 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 119.255.41.67 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (OS X 10.8.2) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ybuJlFii2lB0Oxt1MPIrOsREiIA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) On 2012-11-06 07:50 +0800, Stefan Monnier wrote: > By "how `read-file-name' reads file name while doing C-c C-a" you mean > when ido-mode is enabled and read-file-name-function is set to something > like ido-read-file-name? > So, this would be a bug (or missing feature maybe) in IDO, right? Only if one specifically asks for ido-everywhere which changes read-file-name-function. Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 05 23:55:12 2012 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Nov 2012 04:55:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51423 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVbBv-0007kh-9Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:55:11 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:42121) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVb4X-0007aZ-2i for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:47:34 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id ro8so96212pbb.3 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:44:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=5rSD0SqQFFLkIV1gLSLsX1LnHRfIPWENDCoGUyg531s=; b=F5cM0QwZpIBUmKfLezegIeH3oL1oEUr3w83w06EzYUPRN5TaElwiHzx3ma2U0Gd30x 2rfHblr9QoqPcIH9gmuLlEAzvYMpAVE0AiPBRdkg6sFBYrwQS5Cdgy3C/d1DH3dvIhZi IbwYge+yChK5wRqO1PM+sKZSn7TJoRlB8iljTpNsqxxZ7Gyj9MT9W6AzGtR+xvdg+aoW Ddn5UaQMv6rGRsZAGzfWdXrnxsOtgf5DdK2XuC55PNhTYtTeeIuElozO8Jk28Ml8gBZP sXYEvizkMS/yjU1hQGKXnlf7lNn3BbBS7ZakZ2uno+DuauZ2YYOyQ0u2oPJQE/8jPznS uHcg== Received: by 10.66.88.133 with SMTP id bg5mr34458859pab.80.1352177063382; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.184.33.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vk5sm10359541pbc.34.2012.11.05.20.44.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:44:21 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:16:21 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:50:03 -0500") Message-ID: <87625jl4o2.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: >> there are differences between how ido reads file name at C-x C-f prompt >> and how `read-file-name' reads file name while doing C-c C-a. The >> differences are subtle and it is annoying. > > By "how `read-file-name' reads file name while doing C-c C-a" you mean > when ido-mode is enabled and read-file-name-function is set to something > like ido-read-file-name? I see a `read-file-name-function' (which I hadn't noticed before). > So, this would be a bug (or missing feature maybe) in IDO, right? Not a bug. Definitely a desirable. Yes. >> The suggestion was to map `read-file-name' calls to `ido-read-file-name' >> within ido.el so that a typical user (that is me!) is not annoyed. > > Hmm... so maybe I misunderstood and you meant C-c C-a is used in > ido-mode but without redirecting read-file-name to ido-read-file-name? Correct. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 06 00:21:26 2012 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Nov 2012 05:21:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51451 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVbbK-0008Kq-DM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:21:26 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com ([209.85.220.44]:35420) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TVbbI-0008Ki-4O for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:21:25 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fb11so47385pad.3 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:18:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=bMjbWg62qWSXtPR7mV1lOSJclijFzQ6Gkn3x6nfS21Y=; b=ZWdIXwKJIh5mHOw/jBpMa+DUO2xscnkuO3Q44PoZKzvQsp8+gP4oLVUq+U8r2dnIp0 9RUBwg1ZLdkshWHQooVwRKwj7Eo5aWYSb64gDRoL3Y9eVJjP1B/SzWko+G5LeQYHxP64 kypEOoKBwS57VGCXwKwSDDmCuWsFCbFXLEnIsuFA3HtDk5aquWnxx6xbSEVrnL51efrY IjWFTMdmiLit0cRDJyv6vpIC2kobNWvKFmg/p2V6SZ6abpi3jJylH2dTEdRF9IMFURtD L0yWU4fTcHfvodCTcdbVALBrZ7GduSiLC4LBN2DCOjmUjE+EFKfHGupblSqgwn1yG2MU BMYA== Received: by 10.68.227.1 with SMTP id rw1mr166087pbc.57.1352179094294; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.184.33.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uk9sm11722274pbc.63.2012.11.05.21.18.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Nov 2012 21:18:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:50:18 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:33:32 +0800") Message-ID: <87y5ifjoj1.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) Leo writes: > On 2012-11-06 07:50 +0800, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> By "how `read-file-name' reads file name while doing C-c C-a" you mean >> when ido-mode is enabled and read-file-name-function is set to something >> like ido-read-file-name? >> So, this would be a bug (or missing feature maybe) in IDO, right? > > Only if one specifically asks for ido-everywhere which changes > read-file-name-function. Thanks for the suggestion. I now have this in my customizations. (custom-set-variables '(ido-everywhere t) '(ido-mode (quote both) nil (ido))) Retrospectively, I see that choice of `everywhere' is unfortunate. It is ambiguous. So a `both' in `ido-mode' is not the same as `everywhere'. The "somewhere" - which is reading file names, as opposed to visiting it etc - is what everywhere accounts for but both leaves out. A user is very unlikely to note subtle differences. I have hard time understanding what (ido-everywhere) does. My recommedation is to have `ido-everywhere' set to t by default or be set automatically (via a custom set function) whenever `ido-mode' is changed. ps: I still don't understand everywhere means. So I will leave the proposed change to others. > Leo > > > > > -- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 00:06:48 2013 Received: (at 12797-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 04:06:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40819 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwPCR-0002AN-RC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:06:48 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com ([209.85.192.179]:42898) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwPCP-00029w-IU for 12797-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:06:46 -0400 Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q10so4814737pdj.10 for <12797-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:06:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:face:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=22zc7yyKgj1ueqCynVJVq0zBvPyrJrsZvN4U08gqmOg=; b=mFvq+6aGw5rFoZ5jcdt4gvlRpABzsgBF8E2bHqPnaC3gXUhYYGjngUi8aEgn18Hw/V 8UVKv3V9RYrh42LfpVaupV/evyEQ7aADNYb/wR7FXmzftQaj4X8LTGm9jrMKwQO38lgS 8cHVwzpoWaNTY5NocKxLbT+sqFtuV+Fa6QJ7E/d1OlApI46/S0r0huYrupYyEtxwM1yD AVZQHXmnNSnDUlOSVIuLN2wzWIFlZ6BJhZH2zisH8FOkuYAKB2ALe3lTe6VIiS6QMmaL nu97MAC3i3zFSOquEFw0qAqbSO+47cuuMerPtvexELUGFTx6UK7Wqz9wEG4KpOn39lTf jEzQ== X-Received: by 10.66.136.49 with SMTP id px17mr26129784pab.133.1373342799579; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zeuss-MacBook.local ([182.48.101.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 4sm25680585pbw.32.2013.07.08.21.06.37 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Liu To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> <87y5ifjoj1.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACkAAAApAQAAAACAGz1bAAABKElEQVQYlWNg3NIt5FDPUPt7 4+X79Qyucz5/ugik+L2PBgKpyphaIK921q23QDnG0NBQoMr/vaWl9f8ZLL78uPv5PwN7RETfzXoG jhmFz27XM0RXmpuY/WfY+fv0Mc56BvFybfXA/wwL5t/wF61n2PU59axXPcOVzbmSW/8zrNt1benC /ww70hqUU/4zKCtrT9jwn8FhwynbufUMendE2aLqGRpdX9al1zM8eh17lKeeQcTMrdD5P8P3j/YT Q/8zXHSb7p1Qz/C4OM2JuZ7hgtI7K6AjqsMnf8j4z8C6xG1tw3+GqpqvsVn/GTzmpD9j/8/wP/oZ S/l/Bka+QO/g/wy15ueeFQL9N1O8mPU/g+umV3t1gdT0/1bTgHLqYVeXAlWKpMWt+w8Az82C9nHf X0cAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:06:29 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87y5ifjoj1.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:50:18 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797-done Cc: 12797-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 2012-11-06 13:20 +0800, Jambunathan K wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. I now have this in my customizations. > > (custom-set-variables > '(ido-everywhere t) > '(ido-mode (quote both) nil (ido))) > > Retrospectively, I see that choice of `everywhere' is unfortunate. It > is ambiguous. So a `both' in `ido-mode' is not the same as > `everywhere'. The "somewhere" - which is reading file names, as opposed > to visiting it etc - is what everywhere accounts for but both leaves > out. > > A user is very unlikely to note subtle differences. > > I have hard time understanding what (ido-everywhere) does. > > My recommedation is to have `ido-everywhere' set to t by default or be > set automatically (via a custom set function) whenever `ido-mode' is > changed. > > ps: I still don't understand everywhere means. So I will leave the > proposed change to others. There are some cleanups to do in ido. But let's leave them for later. Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 00:50:08 2013 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 04:50:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40866 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwPsN-0004AX-Pe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:50:08 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:45227) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwPsK-00049n-9Q for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:50:04 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id uo1so5056676pbc.31 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:49:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=Nqmrw/KbD1sQE7gQEw6332SCABZn1B5/X0x71VtQP8A=; b=S6agNeJZlx2X0EUNbjxmCpfJeierjpMm+hpLJV1n35pB8fLRLR2FVzbeCN7Me4JY+9 pRPd4CtCqaJ+D9MmN7nxNgarpj/1cEIrJKJnoUQJxfa655XiRvzHXx+Bej+zoo/o+YvT +SteskVCbhYBiKtb0Bo0EpM3nTRCiVWU341w0yF/LO3rNmpGFMG5H88JqmyxJqKxTryt mypRv6ibaLvVULNpeHj95q4GopiwU8XzU+W0CUBzR/3RC7LAhz+GxidmMdyt42aD2Ngz Sd10uEa1cYRRN47TRMdc3T9xcHcSXLBj6kkNm6pCwH7NSeNA6ojKCpGC5z8dk/Y18Td/ vDVQ== X-Received: by 10.66.136.49 with SMTP id px17mr26268282pab.133.1373345398200; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.176.144]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jb2sm25917234pbc.8.2013.07.08.21.49.55 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K To: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> <87y5ifjoj1.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:21:28 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:06:29 +0800") Message-ID: <87y59guyi7.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Leo Liu writes: > There are some cleanups to do in ido. But let's leave them for later. You could have also left "closing the bug" for later! Anyways ... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 01:39:33 2013 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 05:39:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40986 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwQeC-0006Sz-RW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 01:39:33 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com ([209.85.160.46]:42942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwQeA-0006Sk-7W for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 01:39:30 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id rq2so5111445pbb.19 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 22:39:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:face:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=WhOPKoaFIaOiRh0WvSPfm7ghqouMEne+MkFDfihn4jQ=; b=W8bMWVNj2ZPD58Iv+dPKg9YnStnwf7TYpWI31V4agmWhu/B9B3F/xreFuwAvZ44rBW B/DNw47S20gyzIX1o5qIfqugPUC8Tuqkj2JGqb4XF1jPAo+Gh3kTF2guDQjOOoQCMFMe bmzHsAVQPc64bZ+WA7G6Apu8EdBEpyB+WN++pDu8WJ8dwBimuoNItKMQ8eh2yCNWxgI0 071x3CtTZAMrUgKN7d6mXAlvUuH0MK9fu1v2e7Ki5JqKIs/RUM76WH83MCRLQAoCd8MP OAx+O5wZ2K0YXbKxYhA1/faiESMwNulQJZJggwMwMngnr7CQbEA9gZqYA1tsEZa79L6L lATw== X-Received: by 10.68.138.225 with SMTP id qt1mr16859224pbb.83.1373348364470; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 22:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zeuss-MacBook.local ([182.48.101.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fr1sm26144729pbb.26.2013.07.08.22.39.21 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 22:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Liu To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> <87y5ifjoj1.fsf@gmail.com> <87y59guyi7.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAG1BMVEUAAAA9Cgm3Hx1WWFWA gn+WmJWsrqv4+vcCAwCRl2MkAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAAFiS0dEAIgFHUgAAAAJcEhZcwAAAYoA AAGKATOXMFgAAAAHdElNRQfXAQwDNR+ZJmElAAABIklEQVQoz22SPW+DQAyGWUq65qasd9PNUSX4 AZHK2C1rJy5jpDS4IwRVup9dn7GNafpKIPPgzztXFSujqq1eM2n8h22oMkvxI/i9C97kRfMRUN55 dS3BrsAwBXUtMLAO4lryh8kTjOxKpQNniNxAgZOEe4bZwsDTFhKdqZRLNII4OQNHhEuq/RMkm6Cj TnnEA/fk0BorcYn5qA3oaeAxbaBOLrX+9G48NZ2Fzc2tzDM8Q+tMypEOqYHh8mAWaaK3U/cDMOT5 aMZMABgPXc7zPMs1A8DXO756GFJ/4fMEq47hTsAdn5avoxZ4ywl0c2w4Flu2Ybeyb3S+EqxX2DYA H8veJGEDTnHnrXvRaPyt+2kSfK6rfBZ2tUtfP/mR+pR6sX8BUZ/cDV7tvkoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:39:15 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87y59guyi7.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:21:28 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On 2013-07-09 12:51 +0800, Jambunathan K wrote: > You could have also left "closing the bug" for later! Anyways ... Unless the cleanup bug is closely related, it might be better put it in a different bug report. Or it will sit here for years to come. Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 02:35:47 2013 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 06:35:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41031 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwRWc-0000XD-9c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 02:35:47 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com ([209.85.192.171]:45800) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwRWZ-0000WY-3e for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 02:35:43 -0400 Received: by mail-pd0-f171.google.com with SMTP id y14so4879372pdi.2 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 23:35:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Lp1rsVQf4jL4KNJrbK2txAKmyEpKmRxKqhMNPnW92Hw=; b=l7oDccE9Z7wPgOqIV+pcFfi0hcbkUhH2UNQWc1NJXTjHdy25SJFNQljpeieXo1mij5 miFuYHRsvKq0LRLiZ1YBb0EFgSkT86Mb6xO4rcGzcIoNQJ3JYiHztUK7ZM9hAH6N/56Y 92GvhjYDJVLz6x/78yVVbdSDzIFMdQM3UlxviefnkdnIr8fnu7slEOl+tQ7MnzJceQaP g30lw6xZ/NRNEgfK089QcawBIvcV77GkQM5TkPkBVTArr+DOKCy56dQxekzvUxNmy3wc cylgxqP/2wL6M5ynHNH/HTYEKmDM24atapzfukGHeqmFnvrGkIfLrcPlASV+3KGGu3Il pQoQ== X-Received: by 10.68.219.130 with SMTP id po2mr24778603pbc.54.1373351736737; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 23:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.1.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p2sm28260516pag.22.2013.07.08.23.35.33 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 23:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K To: Leo Liu Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> <87y5ifjoj1.fsf@gmail.com> <87y59guyi7.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:07:11 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:39:15 +0800") Message-ID: <87sizonsrs.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Leo Liu writes: > On 2013-07-09 12:51 +0800, Jambunathan K wrote: >> You could have also left "closing the bug" for later! Anyways ... > > Unless the cleanup bug is closely related, it might be better put it in > a different bug report. Or it will sit here for years to come. The cleanup report says only one thing - Make ido-everywhere the default. There are references to cleanups but that is not the crux of the report. Are you duty-bound to close or fix the bug? I don't understand where the friction is ... > Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 02:36:38 2013 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 06:36:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41035 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwRXR-0000aB-KE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 02:36:38 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com ([209.85.160.42]:39128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwRXP-0000Zl-IN for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 02:36:36 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id un1so5189304pbc.15 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 23:36:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=RInfzcbdphPl32tPz0LRXNQVQ9iK6zTRvtcmdOfP0eA=; b=vERbUG2s0w8oMDHCN3e82iqRCkWtQw6lpE9ohyakWR6uKEhQjVKtwaqPzllYU0gmya psZv3XWmi0IPARCxTxa9YhXEfpW+d6qa/u0t5Q66N620mt9uQq+HrE9njgVVzdIAy781 BkujxDIapF6aN2FV3DsbYvhf78Rl9a0/BLVbJiOAw4hYy63hOl288b3pqOsPXoBjU9iV cNdRuhWi5d4JOx/OhvRXaUqdTSvLmKQVwljQfSVYZgDf+qi/PI1DxYMHoRWOiWZcqttC vtd+oYeBiteD1CoLOtmaYnm+JumO4orqM4nm6v4aDrEHgkTWZgXIQZoD2eTj6FIB9Krv 2r0w== X-Received: by 10.68.222.7 with SMTP id qi7mr24977902pbc.7.1373351789754; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 23:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.1.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vu5sm28303877pab.10.2013.07.08.23.36.27 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 23:36:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K To: Leo Liu Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:39:15 +0800") References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> <87y5ifjoj1.fsf@gmail.com> <87y59guyi7.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:08:04 +0530 Message-ID: <87r4f8nsqb.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Leo Liu writes: > On 2013-07-09 12:51 +0800, Jambunathan K wrote: >> You could have also left "closing the bug" for later! Anyways ... > > Unless the cleanup bug is closely related, it might be better put it in > a different bug report. Or it will sit here for years to come. The bug report says only one thing - Make ido-everywhere the default. The bug is result of a concrete use case and not something abstract. There are references to cleanups but that is not the crux of the report. Are you duty-bound to close or fix the bug? I don't understand where the friction is ... > Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 11:36:53 2013 Received: (at 12797) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 15:36:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42831 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwZyH-00041Z-0H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:36:53 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com ([209.85.192.170]:53090) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwZyE-000415-2b for 12797@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:36:51 -0400 Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x11so5388873pdj.15 for <12797@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:36:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:face:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=g2cmU5H4xx/jMcBuFklA6uqs/ppHcqrDO0CvR2yL6wc=; b=1FRcTAiiHTAK3BpWVyxvMATR3o6L24edzswO+dx+4cHtuZnq5O7u0q797jFYfY5ZOX 5bN+eF6OXbdqSJ+NKeFF4cvnfBXLys2vfc06D0SeeehckV+TyMWeC9AOg3XhD7vCTx0I rKI2HAnHRowI+rH+TMZntbpcyB8ytsck0GtnsCYfdGt1QNpkum3vNcX1/io6NBn3INtM d538t01bVI/Vqvnle2GADRA4tKWxYxAelFLgxK/vgrto0rMsyLvZheUiiDzRB7I6f537 c4H8yPToMRXqF/985tu035/sinjxOF2GwQOrK9+IbeQvUm1VifGMWDrBQ8wQpdPO5TDp 7NJQ== X-Received: by 10.68.137.8 with SMTP id qe8mr27368187pbb.100.1373384203956; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zeuss-MacBook.local ([182.48.101.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id br1sm28878675pbb.4.2013.07.09.08.36.41 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Jul 2013 08:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Liu To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#12797: 24.3.50; mml-atttach-file (C-c C-a) and ido References: <87d2ztrfm1.fsf@gmail.com> <874nl54e6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehk7241e.fsf@gmail.com> <87y5ifjoj1.fsf@gmail.com> <87y59guyi7.fsf@gmail.com> <87r4f8nsqb.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAGFBMVEUKDAg1NjRWV1V9fnyg op/DxcLk5uP8/voi63ReAAAACXBIWXMAAAWJAAAFiQFtaJ36AAAAB3RJTUUH1goZAgAz00bgXgAA AeVJREFUKM9lk0Fz2jAQhQXJD3CCO70CmcC1YMtcWyTZ14Bl69xats4N9r6/3zWQBlodNKNPu/s0 b1cCQFuZGpfVVh3vAvBJolIXRkapSuoRUtIdFyo1Y5xSdlAj7OtvD1XnXxmWRi+eWgcxyCed1lVV B1CrKyujMoi+eLA5kU1SsjoHlW+nQjTtFxk4MXgrOxvIqzoTZR8XgPaLl419zgsMaSGFPiUOZCIh thsx5Xy9NsK8Kwf/JoQgMxcVJ301HKkcSWaT0O7FY056J4U9xcYfnmVXG4801lW6lqwu2nKFZoHC HuzvaTVndZ+LaRQgZdthXw1cpynEkLEwyFHXk/aIxNQ6QeooJuzPMB+wn+D7JJNsiCcVA13/A3h/ xE9J+WidpAwoYNmRFwyvSRhNVtsdaAewzZZP5uw82QL9+tyNfocyP0McAzICUr5Mk9RdIjWasUNx aIIt6NK4ZtXIMdfMQt3nuMAyWbLI4DqZ4xPq/ag8jPond4XU/cLuOgw6XCFX/YCUfcDAMMH58fD4 G9kDchwfqVefkBwup2uZM+Q4WhJt5jN3AxXCsaS2yXEDuWgS8VOzW0gFjhEPmLyFMKBFaLb1HRwc DiaKwx0EeTMRYnYPQRW3PP4HApvlMv0PttX5v/D6Aws3IOSEwzmLAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 23:36:38 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87r4f8nsqb.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:08:04 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12797 Cc: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: 12797@debbugs.gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 2013-07-09 14:38 +0800, Jambunathan K wrote: > Make ido-everywhere the default. Maybe you can discuss with others (emacs-devel or emacs-help) if default to ido-everywhere is a good idea. I cannot reach this conclusion from glancing over the bug thread. If you feel strongly that this bug should be re-opened, re-open it. I have no objection. Leo (time is up) From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:52:56 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator