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24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution

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From: Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:06:41 +1300

In Eshell, ${cmd} expands to nil.
e.g.
$ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
$ 
Note the absence of any output from `echo'.

$ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-foo
nil-foo
n$ 

`*echo' prints expected output, but only for the first case.
$ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
foo
bar
$ 

$ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-foo
("foo" "bar")-foo
$ 


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Message #8 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: samer <samer <at> samertm.com>
To: Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 04:44:04 -0800

There are two issues contained in this bug: eshell-plain-command doesn't
wait for the process to finish before returning, and echo parses output
from subcommands as lisp objects instead of as args.

The following patch makes eshell wait for external commands to finish
before getting their output.

The second bug is more complicated. Arguments are parsed with
eshell-parse-arguments, which takes into account eshell's rules and
syntax. When things are run in subshells, they're converted to lisp
objects with eshell-convert, with no further processing. For example,
for the command "echo ${/bin/echo hello there}" the subshell will return
"hello there", which is seen as a single argument by the outer "echo".
This isn't a big deal, but it means some constructions won't make sense.
For instance:

$ echo hello there
("hello" "there")
$ echo ${/bin/echo hello there}
hello there

I tried hacking with eshell-parse-variable-ref to parse the arguments
correctly, but it's trickier than it seems at first glance, so I'll work
on it later. This patch gets us 90% of the way there, though.

Best,
Samer

---- Patch below ----

Changes from HEAD to working tree
2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
 lisp/ChangeLog         |    5 +++++
 lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el |    2 +-

	Modified   lisp/ChangeLog
diff --git a/lisp/ChangeLog b/lisp/ChangeLog
index 45ba279..aa00661 100644
--- a/lisp/ChangeLog
+++ b/lisp/ChangeLog
@@ -1,3 +1,8 @@
+2014-12-14  Samer Masterson  <samer <at> samertm.com>
+
+	* eshell/esh-cmd.el (eshell-plain-command): Wait for subprocess to
+	finish before evaluating command (bug#12680).
+
 2014-11-28  Martin Rudalics  <rudalics <at> gmx.at>

 	Fix two issues around help-window-select.  (Bug#11039) (Bug#19012)
	Modified   lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
diff --git a/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el b/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
index d20b66a..f17aa41 100644
--- a/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
+++ b/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
@@ -1241,7 +1241,7 @@ or an external command."
 	     (or esym eshell-prefer-lisp-functions
 		 (not (eshell-search-path command))))
 	(eshell-lisp-command sym args)
-      (eshell-external-command command args))))
+      (eshell-wait-for-process (eshell-external-command command 
args)))))

 (defun eshell-exec-lisp (printer errprint func-or-form args form-p)
   "Execute a lisp FUNC-OR-FORM, maybe passing ARGS.

Message #11 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
To: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:56:12 -0800

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Hi,

My copyright papers have been processed. Can we apply this to master?

Best,
Samer

Changes from HEAD to working tree
2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
lisp/ChangeLog         |    5 +++++
lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el |    2 +-

	Modified   lisp/ChangeLog
diff --git a/lisp/ChangeLog b/lisp/ChangeLog
index 45ba279..aa00661 100644
--- a/lisp/ChangeLog
+++ b/lisp/ChangeLog
@@ -1,3 +1,8 @@
+2014-12-14  Samer Masterson  <samer <at> samertm.com>
+
+	* eshell/esh-cmd.el (eshell-plain-command): Wait for subprocess to
+	finish before evaluating command (bug#12680).
+
2014-11-28  Martin Rudalics  <rudalics <at> gmx.at>

	Fix two issues around help-window-select.  (Bug#11039) (Bug#19012)
	Modified   lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
diff --git a/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el b/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
index d20b66a..f17aa41 100644
--- a/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
+++ b/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
@@ -1241,7 +1241,7 @@ or an external command."
	     (or esym eshell-prefer-lisp-functions
		 (not (eshell-search-path command))))
	(eshell-lisp-command sym args)
-      (eshell-external-command command args))))
+      (eshell-wait-for-process (eshell-external-command command
args)))))

(defun eshell-exec-lisp (printer errprint func-or-form args form-p)
  "Execute a lisp FUNC-OR-FORM, maybe passing ARGS.

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Message #14 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 17:54:10 +0200

> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:56:12 -0800
> From: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
> 
> Changes from HEAD to working tree
> 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> lisp/ChangeLog | 5 +++++
> lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el | 2 +-
> 
> Modified lisp/ChangeLog
> diff --git a/lisp/ChangeLog b/lisp/ChangeLog
> index 45ba279..aa00661 100644
> --- a/lisp/ChangeLog
> +++ b/lisp/ChangeLog
> @@ -1,3 +1,8 @@
> +2014-12-14 Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
> +
> + * eshell/esh-cmd.el (eshell-plain-command): Wait for subprocess to
> + finish before evaluating command (bug#12680).

Does this have any effect on the feature where Eshell can run several
commands simultaneously via a shell-like pipe?

Thanks.

Message #17 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 04:14:07 -0800

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On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> Does this have any effect on the feature where Eshell can run several
> commands simultaneously via a shell-like pipe?
> 
> Thanks.

I don't know what feature you're describing. Here is the output from 
running regular pipes:

~ $ echo hello | /bin/echo there | /bin/echo hey | echo hi # Without 
patch
hi
hey
~ $ echo hello | /bin/echo there | /bin/echo hey | echo hi # With patch
hi
hey
there
hello

First, we should ignore the fact that echo does nothing with stdin, and 
the above commands print "hi" in bash. I do not understand why the 
command without the patch only prints out "hey\nhi", but it printed 
that consistently on my computer. The second output is incorrect (or at 
the very least unexpected?), but less incorrect than the first. If this 
is what you were talking about, then the commands may have appeared to 
be simultaneous because they were racing, but I'm not sure if that's 
intentional.

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Message #20 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 19:38:30 +0200

> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2015 04:14:07 -0800
> From: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
> Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> 
>     Does this have any effect on the feature where Eshell can run several
>     commands simultaneously via a shell-like pipe? Thanks.
> 
> I don't know what feature you're describing.

eshell-execute-pipeline was what I had in mind.

It's been a while since I last hacked Eshell, so perhaps that was a
stupid question, but what prompted it was the fact that your change
would wait until a process exited under some conditions, so I wondered
whether it will prevent Eshell from firing up several asynchronous
processes connected through a pipe.

> Here is the output from running
> regular pipes:
> 
> ~ $ echo hello | /bin/echo there | /bin/echo hey | echo hi # Without patch
> hi
> hey
> ~ $ echo hello | /bin/echo there | /bin/echo hey | echo hi # With patch
> hi
> hey
> there
> hello

Not sure why you intersperse internal and external echo, or why did
you use echo to begin with.

In any case, what you see are bugs, at least in the case of a pipe
that cannot connect because the receiving end doesn't read stdin.

> First, we should ignore the fact that echo does nothing with stdin, and the
> above commands print "hi" in bash. I do not understand why the command without
> the patch only prints out "hey\nhi", but it printed that consistently on my
> computer. The second output is incorrect (or at the very least unexpected?),
> but less incorrect than the first. If this is what you were talking about, then
> the commands may have appeared to be simultaneous because they were racing, but
> I'm not sure if that's intentional.

I'd rather see that a pipe that does make sense, something like

  cat some-large-file | wc

with external commands works as expected, and both programs run
simultaneously in parallel (e.g., according to 'top' or a similar
tool), not sequentially.

Thanks.

Message #23 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:34:00 -0800

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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> eshell-execute-pipeline was what I had in mind.
> 
> It's been a while since I last hacked Eshell, so perhaps that was a
> stupid question, but what prompted it was the fact that your change
> would wait until a process exited under some conditions, so I wondered
> whether it will prevent Eshell from firing up several asynchronous
> processes connected through a pipe.

Oh, I see what you're saying. My confusion came from not knowing that 
piped programs executed in parallel in traditional shells.
> 
> Not sure why you intersperse internal and external echo, or why did
> you use echo to begin with.
I thought the external echos would race and output out-of-order, but 
they just cut off after the first external echo.
> I'd rather see that a pipe that does make sense, something like
> 
>   cat some-large-file | wc
> 
> with external commands works as expected, and both programs run
> simultaneously in parallel (e.g., according to 'top' or a similar
> tool), not sequentially.
The following command

~$ sleep 1 | sleep 1 | sleep 1

runs in 1 second without my patch and 3 with it (which doesn't conform 
with Bash). Also

~$ cat any-file | wc

never returns with my patch. Thanks for catching these errors, and I'll 
ping this bug report when my new patch is ready.
-s

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Message #26 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: John Wiegley <johnw <at> newartisans.com>, 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 20:41:04 -0700

Hi,

I haven't finished, but I'm putting this work on hold for now as I've 
spent ages on it, and I'll return to this when I've learned more about 
eshell's architecture. The state of my work is below.

The patch below addresses the points you brought up, but it is 
incomplete for two reasons:
- my code uses eshell-wait-for-process, which doesn't seem to be the 
correct wait to actually wait for a process to end because it locks up 
Emacs (because the core of eshell-wait-for-process is a while loop).
- "prompt$ ${ext_command_one} | ext_command_two" will not reset the 
eshell prompt to normal if ext_command_one takes longer than 
ext_command_two. It works normally when ext_command_two takes longer 
than ext_command_one.

So I need to figure out a couple things in order to unblock myself:
- how eshell knows to wait for other external processes (excluding 
eshell-wait-for-process), and whether that can be used at command-level 
granularity. E.g. for "cmd ${ext_cmd0} | ext_cmd1", the entire process 
needs to wait for both sides of the pipe to finish, and "cmd" needs to 
wait for "ext_cmd0" to finish before executing). "cmd ${ext_cmd0}" also 
shouldn't lock Emacs.
- where the entry point is for the command prompt, and how the command 
prompt is reset after a set of commands finishes.

I've cc'd johnw because he might know the answer to the above 
questions, and what the correct approach to fixing this should be. I'll 
return to this when I've learned more about how eshell works.

-samer

work-in-progress patch:

--- a/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
+++ b/lisp/eshell/esh-cmd.el
@@ -851,8 +851,9 @@ This is used on systems where `start-process' is 
not supported."
(defmacro eshell-as-subcommand (command)
  "Execute COMMAND using a temp buffer.
This is used so that certain Lisp commands, such as `cd', when
-executed in a subshell, do not disturb the environment of the main
-Eshell buffer."
+executed in a subshell, do not disturb the environment of the
+main Eshell buffer.  If COMMAND is an external command, it is
+called synchronously."
  `(let ,eshell-subcommand-bindings
     ,command))

@@ -1234,14 +1235,21 @@ COMMAND may result in an alias being executed, 
or a plain command."
(defun eshell-plain-command (command args)
  "Insert output from a plain COMMAND, using ARGS.
COMMAND may result in either a Lisp function being executed by name,
-or an external command."
+or an external command.
+
+If COMMAND is in an external command and `eshell-in-subcommand-p'
+is true, `eshell-plain-command' is synchronous and waits for
+COMMAND to finish."
  (let* ((esym (eshell-find-alias-function command))
	 (sym (or esym (intern-soft command))))
    (if (and sym (fboundp sym)
	     (or esym eshell-prefer-lisp-functions
		 (not (eshell-search-path command))))
	(eshell-lisp-command sym args)
-      (eshell-external-command command args))))
+      (let ((ext (eshell-external-command command args)))
+        (if eshell-in-subcommand-p
+            (eshell-wait-for-process ext)
+          ext)))))

Message #29 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: John Wiegley <johnw <at> newartisans.com>
To: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 23:19:42 -0500

>>>>> Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com> writes:

> So I need to figure out a couple things in order to unblock myself: - how
> eshell knows to wait for other external processes (excluding
> eshell-wait-for-process), and whether that can be used at command-level
> granularity. E.g. for "cmd ${ext_cmd0} | ext_cmd1", the entire process needs
> to wait for both sides of the pipe to finish, and "cmd" needs to wait for
> "ext_cmd0" to finish before executing). "cmd ${ext_cmd0}" also shouldn't
> lock Emacs. - where the entry point is for the command prompt, and how the
> command prompt is reset after a set of commands finishes.

> I've cc'd johnw because he might know the answer to the above questions, and
> what the correct approach to fixing this should be. I'll return to this when
> I've learned more about how eshell works.

I don't really know the answer anymore (Eshell is 16 years old now!), but I'm
wondering what the rationale is for making this change?  Anything that messes
with the way sub-processes are handled should be treated with extreme care.

John

Message #32 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Samer Masterson <samer <at> samertm.com>
To: John Wiegley <johnw <at> newartisans.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2015 21:54:35 -0700

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:19 PM, John Wiegley <johnw <at> newartisans.com> wrote
> I'm wondering what the rationale is for making this change?

The issue is that subprocesses that call external commands don't
wait for the command to complete before returning. For instance,
the following command:

  $ echo ${/bin/echo "hi"}

returns nothing w/o the patch applied, where:

  $ echo ${echo "hi"}

returns "hi".

-samer

Message #35 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 10:12:53 +0100

Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz> writes:

> In Eshell, ${cmd} expands to nil.
> e.g.
> $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
> $ 
> Note the absence of any output from `echo'.
>
> $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-foo
> nil-foo
> n$ 

(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
at the time.)

Looks like this has been fixed in the decade since it was reported:

/ $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
("foo" "bar")
/ $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-foo
("foo" "bar")-foo

So I'm therefore closing this bug report.  If there's more to be done
here, please respond to the debbugs address and we'll reopen.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #40 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 11:01:05 -0800

On 2/9/2022 1:12 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz> writes:
> 
>> In Eshell, ${cmd} expands to nil.
>> e.g.
>> $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
>> $
>> Note the absence of any output from `echo'.
>>
>> $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-foo
>> nil-foo
>> n$
> 
> (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved
> at the time.)
> 
> Looks like this has been fixed in the decade since it was reported:
> 
> / $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
> ("foo" "bar")
> / $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-foo
> ("foo" "bar")-foo
> 
> So I'm therefore closing this bug report.  If there's more to be done
> here, please respond to the debbugs address and we'll reopen.

I think the fix is from bug#30725. I'd meant to post an update to this 
bug as well, but I haven't had a chance to investigate the other half of 
this bug yet. Specifically, I think there's at least an argument that 
the result *should* look like this:

  / $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
  foo
  bar
  / $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-foo
  foo
  bar-foo

I'm still not 100% sure what's going on here, but I think the ${} 
subcommand evaluation splits the output on "\n" to make a list (which 
seems reasonable to me). However, when it gets converted back to a 
string (either to print directly, as in the first case, or to 
concatenate, as in the second case), it ends up looking like '("foo" 
"bar")'. You can see a little more clearly how these cases are different 
by calling `message' instead of `echo':

  ~ $ message %S ${*echo -e "foo\nbar"}
  ("foo" "bar")
  ~ $ message %S ${*echo -e "foo\nbar"}-foo
  "(\"foo\" \"bar\")-foo"

So the result of "${...}" is a list, and the result of "${...}-foo" is a 
string.

I think it would make sense to do something to improve how "foo\nbar" 
gets round-tripped here so that the result is more consistent with 
regular shells. I have a couple of ideas, but I'll need a bit of time to 
tinker with things to see how they work, and to find a solution that 
keeps incompatible changes to a minimum.

Message #43 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz>
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:12:31 +0100

Jim Porter <jporterbugs <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I think it would make sense to do something to improve how "foo\nbar"
> gets round-tripped here so that the result is more consistent with
> regular shells. I have a couple of ideas, but I'll need a bit of time
> to tinker with things to see how they work, and to find a solution
> that keeps incompatible changes to a minimum.

OK; I'm reopening this bug report, then.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #48 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz>
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 20:52:03 -0700

On 2/9/2022 12:12 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> OK; I'm reopening this bug report, then.

I filed bug#55236 to fix some wider issues I encountered with Eshell 
expansions, which may also fix this bug. I think it depends on what 
exactly we want for the behavior here. With my patches in that bug, this 
is the behavior I get:

Default:

  ~ $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
  ("foo" "bar")
  ~ $ echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-baz
  ("foo" "bar-baz")
  ~ $ /bin/echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
  foo bar
  ~ $ /bin/echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-baz
  foo bar-baz

With `eshell-plain-echo-behavior' == t:

  ~ $ echo ${*echo -e "foo\nbar"}
  foo bar
  ~ $ echo ${*echo -e "foo\nbar"}-baz
  foo bar-baz
  ~ $ /bin/echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}
  foo bar
  ~ $ /bin/echo ${/bin/echo -e "foo\nbar"}-baz
  foo bar-baz

I think the "plain" echo behavior is what the original report expected, 
so maybe we can consider this fixed then. However, maybe we should 
consider whether the default, non-"plain" behavior should be changed. I 
don't have a strong opinion here, although I'm hesitant to make any big 
changes to the default behavior of Eshell's echo builtin, since I feel 
like it could break a lot of things really easily...

Message #51 received at 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 12689 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Aidan Gauland <aidalgol <at> no8wireless.co.nz>
Subject: Re: bug#12689: 24.2; Eshell ${cmd} substitution
Date: Tue, 03 May 2022 12:37:58 +0200

Jim Porter <jporterbugs <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I think the "plain" echo behavior is what the original report
> expected, so maybe we can consider this fixed then. However, maybe we
> should consider whether the default, non-"plain" behavior should be
> changed. I don't have a strong opinion here, although I'm hesitant to
> make any big changes to the default behavior of Eshell's echo builtin,
> since I feel like it could break a lot of things really easily...

I think the behaviour after your patch seems reasonable (but I don't use
eshell regularly).

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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