From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12683: 24.2.50; (emacs) `Tags' sends you to `Semantic', but nothing there about tags Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 12683 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 12683@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.135066677410640 (code B ref -1); Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:13:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2012 17:12:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TPG7w-0002lW-0g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:12:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41430) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TPG7s-0002lI-Qb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:12:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TPG6J-0000o0-QR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:11:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:48614) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TPG6J-0000nv-NU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:11:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TPG6I-0006OF-GP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:11:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TPG6G-0000mh-Rk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:11:10 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:45661) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TPG6G-0000mB-Kq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:11:08 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q9JHB6c3021269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:11:07 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9JHB5nj017146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:11:06 GMT Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q9JHB5IR026016 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:11:05 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.217.151) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:11:05 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac2uHKjgXexBXg6+QU2tLGj0G5QoOQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) (emacs) Tags has this: The Semantic package provides another way to generate and use tags, separate from the `etags' facility. *Note Semantic::. I don't see how this is helpful, and seems quite misleading. Following that link you get to an overview of Semantic (with nothing about tags), with a link to the Semantic manual. In the Semantic manual, `i' finds nothing appropriate having to do with tags. Just where is the info in the Semantic manual about "another way to generate and use tags, separate from the `etags' facility"? Please remove or rephrase this reference, or point directly to the pertinent doc if such exists. In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-10-15 on DANI-PC Bzr revision: 110553 monnier@iro.umontreal.ca-20121015164957-6zms5w2js1xkldtg Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -I../../libs/libxpm-3.5.8/include -I../../libs/libxpm-3.5.8/src -I../../libs/libpng-1.4.10 -I../../libs/zlib-1.2.6 -I../../libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -I../../libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -I../../libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -I../../libs/libxml2-2.7.8-w32-bin/include/libxml2 -I../../libs/gnutls-3.0.16/include -I../../libs/libiconv-1.14-2-mingw32-dev/include' From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12683: 24.2.50; (emacs) `Tags' sends you to `Semantic', but nothing there about tags Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12683 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: <12683@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 12683-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12683.135066762711875 (code B ref 12683); Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 12683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2012 17:27:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51985 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TPGLi-00035U-VV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:27:07 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:40516) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TPGLg-000351-Dh for 12683@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:27:05 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q9JHPRAU002262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <12683@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:25:28 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9JHPQgK018795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <12683@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:25:27 GMT Received: from abhmt106.oracle.com (abhmt106.oracle.com [141.146.116.58]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q9JHPQnx002840 for <12683@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:25:26 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.217.151) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:25:25 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:24:58 -0700 Message-ID: <980E8B3E413740C4A27ECD0738DED389@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac2uHKjgXexBXg6+QU2tLGj0G5QoOQAAcnkQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) The subject line is I guess incorrect. There apparently is content in the Semantic manual about tags. But it is not indexed, so just sending someone to the manual is not appropriate here. (And of course, the index should be beefed up to help with tags.) From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12683: 24.2.50; (emacs) `Tags' sends you to `Semantic', but nothing there about tags Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 02:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12683 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 12683@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12683-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12683.13919145981073 (code B ref 12683); Sun, 09 Feb 2014 02:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 12683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 02:56:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58583 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCKZS-0000HE-9A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:56:38 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:54018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCKZP-0000H6-6H for 12683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:56:36 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCKZA-0004AT-4v; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 03:56:20 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <980E8B3E413740C4A27ECD0738DED389@us.oracle.com> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 18:55:09 -0800 In-Reply-To: <980E8B3E413740C4A27ECD0738DED389@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 19 Oct 2012 10:24:58 -0700") Message-ID: <87fvntj8qa.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCKZA-0004AT-4v X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392519381.23994@xy4epZA2+KXeOnfcHTtp6g X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > The subject line is I guess incorrect. There apparently is content in the > Semantic manual about tags. But it is not indexed, so just sending someone to > the manual is not appropriate here. (And of course, the index should be beefed > up to help with tags.) Semantic is a pretty big and complicated package, and just pointing the user at the Tags node in the Semantic manual doesn't seem to be more helpful than the current reference. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 08 21:56:47 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 02:56:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58586 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCKZa-0000Ha-SP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:56:47 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:54024) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCKZY-0000HS-DT for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:56:44 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCKZH-0004Ac-Cy for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 03:56:28 +0100 Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 18:55:16 -0800 Message-Id: <87eh3dj8q3.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #12683 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCKZH-0004Ac-Cy X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392519391.27006@FnRWDV3Rnn/i/7mjF5uMVA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 12683 wontfix close 12683 From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12683: 24.2.50; (emacs) `Tags' sends you to `Semantic', but nothing there about tags Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12683 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 12683@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12683-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12683.139205317712206 (code B ref 12683); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 12683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 17:26:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41592 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCuca-0003An-HE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:26:17 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:45293) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCucX-0003AG-4q for 12683@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:26:13 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1AHQ6Z7022835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:26:07 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1AHQ5i8024679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:26:06 GMT Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1AHQ534024659; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:26:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9b9293b4-2415-4056-863e-8511e9e7a705@default> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:26:04 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <980E8B3E413740C4A27ECD0738DED389@us.oracle.com> <87fvntj8qa.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87fvntj8qa.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > Semantic is a pretty big and complicated package, and just pointing > the user at the Tags node in the Semantic manual doesn't seem to be > more helpful than the current reference. Then we need to find the right node to cross-reference. That is no reason to close the bug. The point is to BE more helpful than the current reference, which just tosses the user into a swamp of Semantic doc. It is up to Emacs (which has now incorporated Semantic) to HELP the user here. If that means spending some time to find the best Semantic manual node to cross-reference, so be it. No one said that fixing bugs is as simple as closing them without bothering. This should be left open until it is fixed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 11 06:28:28 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2014 11:28:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45875 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDBVs-0006Xh-CX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:28:28 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:50887) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDBVq-0006XW-KD for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:28:26 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WDBVc-0006C6-Nx for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:28:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 03:26:57 -0800 Message-Id: <87sirplwji.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #12683 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WDBVc-0006C6-Nx X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392722893.20511@l8logBleYBMB7nd363v92Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 12683