From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 14 23:48:18 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2012 03:48:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44425 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TNbf6-0001ga-TD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:48:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <4eppelin@gmail.com>) id 1TNbf3-0001gM-53 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:48:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <4eppelin@gmail.com>) id 1TNbdt-0005R6-8e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:47:03 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,BODY_8BITS, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:56016) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <4eppelin@gmail.com>) id 1TNbdt-0005R2-5L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:47:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59278) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <4eppelin@gmail.com>) id 1TNbdr-0007SX-LU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:47:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <4eppelin@gmail.com>) id 1TNbdp-0005Qd-Iy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:46:59 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:33618) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <4eppelin@gmail.com>) id 1TNbdp-0005QX-Bw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:46:57 -0400 Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id va7so5296873obc.0 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:46:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WTjW5DrT6yG6MWrYsX+44FSMrIDXnemVffoentL2Jb4=; b=rCl/PfmBDLdKWeh7KjaylhaRCco38DwmW8oBrjMaiGFEQNPiay/u64pImJAIXjm8nW w/8Fy4/wiHegyd0/oM0pkHr2jAOS2vyUZr2d1euOF7w7kqpULMtTcYvRPPLurBVY/qHj 4pgEthK4Ag3mNLquKyFA8v6RJLMH74dyz/2zfOLpQjVEZz9k5OabLVDI1pF7GYsv0cNl FCJMETLV7hARXuSWaEY2bgLRAP1iV4A0z1/EHCd5pbO7C+olMRPZ9c0rVw7g9UV7XqxP XBvyvniKmT/TE9o1H/9Uqu3cUFhNMEsc4nYUAApfpvTzYYUiI92sYNFpJmRcO4CbDqcm so5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.28.234 with SMTP id e10mr8735849oeh.67.1350272816696; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.35.66 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:46:56 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: 23.3; TUTORIAL.ru: bad translation From: =?KOI8-R?B?6cfP0tgg8M/DxczVxdc=?= <4eppelin@gmail.com> To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cb8696ce3d04cc10e3e7 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) --e89a8ff1cb8696ce3d04cc10e3e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This text in russian tutorial seems to be not quite clean: "=E5=D3=CC=C9 =C2=CF=CC=D8=DB=C1=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1 =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE= =C5=CE=C1 =CB=C1=CB "Backspace", =D4=CF =DC=D4=CF =D4=CF, =DE=D4=CF =D7=C1= =CD =CE=D5=D6=CE=CF =C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=D8 =D4=CF=C7=C4=C1, =CB=CF=C7=C4=C1 =D7= =D9 =C2=D5=C4=C5=D4=C5 =DE=C9=D4=C1=D4=D8 =D0=D2=CF . =E5=D3=CC=C9= =D5 =D7=C1=D3 =CB =D4=CF=CD=D5 =D6=C5 =C5=D3=D4=D8 =C9 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1, =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=CE=C1= =D1 =CB=C1=CB "Delete", =CE=CF =CF=CE=C1 =C9=CD=C5=C5=D4 =C4=D2=D5=C7=D5=C0= =C6=D5=CE=CB=C3=C9=C0, =CF=D4=CC=C9=DE=CE=D5=C0 =CF=D4 ." I offer to make it simpler and closer to original text of tutorial, for instance: "=E5=D3=CC=C9 =C2=CF=CC=D8=DB=C1=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1 =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE= =C5=CE=C1 =CB=C1=CB "Backspace", =D4=CF =DC=D4=CF =D4=CF, =DE=D4=CF =D7=C1= =CD =CE=D5=D6=CE=CF =C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=D8 =C4=CC=D1 . =F0=D2=C9 =DC=D4= =CF=CD =D7 =C4=D2=D5=C7=CF=CD =CD=C5=D3=D4=C5 =CD=CF=D6=C5=D4 =C9=CD=C5=D4= =D8=D3=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1, =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=CE=C1=D1 =CB=C1=CB "Delete", =CE=CF =DC=D4=CF =CE=C5 = ." Original text: "If the large key there is labeled "Backspace", then that's the one you use for . There may also be another key labeled "Delete" somewhere else, but that's not ." In GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i686-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.8) of 2012-08-14 on x86-01.phx2.fedoraproject.org Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.11104000 configured using `configure '--build=3Di686-redhat-linux-gnu' '--host=3Di686-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix=3D' '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=3D/usr' '--exec-prefix=3D/usr' '--bindir=3D/usr/bin' '--sbindir=3D/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc' '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--includedir=3D/usr/include' '--libdir=3D/usr/lib= ' '--libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec' '--localstatedir=3D/var' '--sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--with-dbus' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xft' '--with-xpm' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk' 'build_alias=3Di686-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Di686-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DMAIL_USE_LOCKF -O2 -g -pip= e -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4 -m32 -march=3Di686 -mtune=3Datom -fasynchronous-unwind-tables' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-z,relro '' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: Recent messages: Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/focus-init.el (source)...done Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/lilypond-init.el (source)...done Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/maxima-modes.el (source)...done Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/php-mode-init.el (source)...done Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/rpm-spec-mode-init.el (source)...done Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/rpmdev-init.el (source)...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Load-path shadows: /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/lilypond-init hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/lilypond-init /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/maxima-modes hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/maxima/site_start.d/maxima-modes Features: (shadow sort mail-extr message sendmail regexp-opt ecomplete rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils wid-edit mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util hashcash mail-utils emacsbug tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd font-setting tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind system-font-setting font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) --e89a8ff1cb8696ce3d04cc10e3e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This text in russian tutorial seems to be not quite clean:
<= div>"=E5=D3=CC=C9 =C2=CF=CC=D8=DB=C1=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1 =D0=CF= =CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=C1 =CB=C1=CB "Backspace", =D4=CF =DC=D4=CF =D4=CF= , =DE=D4=CF =D7=C1=CD =CE=D5=D6=CE=CF
=C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7= =C1=D4=D8 =D4=CF=C7=C4=C1, =CB=CF=C7=C4=C1 =D7=D9 =C2=D5=C4=C5=D4=C5 =DE=C9= =D4=C1=D4=D8 =D0=D2=CF <Delback>. =E5=D3=CC=C9 =D5 =D7=C1=D3 =CB =D4= =CF=CD=D5
=D6=C5 =C5=D3=D4=D8 =C9 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1, =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5=CE= =CE=C1=D1 =CB=C1=CB "Delete", =CE=CF =CF=CE=C1 =C9=CD=C5=C5=D4 = =C4=D2=D5=C7=D5=C0 =C6=D5=CE=CB=C3=C9=C0,
=CF=D4=CC=C9=DE=CE=D5= =C0 =CF=D4 <Delback>."

I offer to= make it simpler and closer to original text of tutorial, for instance:
"=E5=D3=CC=C9 =C2=CF=CC=D8=DB=C1=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1 = =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=C1 =CB=C1=CB "Backspace", =D4=CF =DC=D4=CF = =D4=CF, =DE=D4=CF =D7=C1=CD =CE=D5=D6=CE=CF
=C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA= =CF=D7=C1=D4=D8 =C4=CC=D1 <Delback>. =F0=D2=C9 =DC=D4=CF=CD =D7 =C4= =D2=D5=C7=CF=CD =CD=C5=D3=D4=C5 =CD=CF=D6=C5=D4 =C9=CD=C5=D4=D8=D3=D1 =CB= =CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1,=9A
=D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=CE=C1=D1 =CB=C1=CB &= quot;Delete", =CE=CF =DC=D4=CF =CE=C5 <Delback>."

Original text:
"If the large key t= here is labeled "Backspace", then that's the one you
use for <Delback>. =9AThere may also be another key labeled "D= elete"
somewhere else, but that's not <Delback>."
In GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i686-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.= 8)
=9Aof 2012-08-14 on x86-01.phx2.fedoraproject.org
Windowing system distributor `Fedora Project', version 11.0.111040= 00
configured using `configure =9A'--build=3Di686-redhat-linu= x-gnu' '--host=3Di686-redhat-linux-gnu' '--program-prefix= =3D' '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--prefix=3D/usr' = '--exec-prefix=3D/usr' '--bindir=3D/usr/bin' '--sbindir= =3D/usr/sbin' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc' '--datadir=3D/usr/share= ' '--includedir=3D/usr/include' '--libdir=3D/usr/lib' &= #39;--libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec' '--localstatedir=3D/var' '= --sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '-= -infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--with-dbus' '--with-gif' = '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--wit= h-tiff' '--with-xft' '--with-xpm' '--with-x-toolkit= =3Dgtk' 'build_alias=3Di686-redhat-linux-gnu' 'host_alias= =3Di686-redhat-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DMAIL_USE_LOCKF -O2 -g -pipe -= Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=3Dssp= -buffer-size=3D4 =9A-m32 -march=3Di686 -mtune=3Datom -fasynchronous-unwind-= tables' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-z,relro ''

Important settings:
=9A value of $LC_ALL: nil=
=9A value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
=9A value of $LC_CTYPE: = nil
=9A value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
=9A value of $LC_MON= ETARY: nil
=9A value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
=9A value of $LC_TIME: nil
=9A value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
=9A value of $XMODIFIERS: @= im=3Dibus
=9A locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
=9A defa= ult enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Fundamental

Minor = modes in effect:
=9A tooltip-mode: t
=9A mouse-wheel-mo= de: t
=9A tool-bar-mode: t
=9A menu-bar-mode: t
=9A file-name-shadow-mode: t
=9A global-font-lock-mode: t
=9A font-lock-mode: t
=9A blink-cursor-mode: t
=9A auto-encryption-mode: t
= =9A auto-compression-mode: t
=9A line-number-mode: t
= =9A transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
<help-echo> <help-echo= > <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo>=9A
<= ;help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <he= lp-echo>=9A
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <menu-bar>= <help-menu>=9A
<send-emacs-bug-report>
Recent messages:
Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/s= ite-start.d/focus-init.el (source)...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/lilypond-init.el (sour= ce)...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/maxima= -modes.el (source)...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site= -start.d/php-mode-init.el (source)...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/rpm-spec-mode-init.el = (source)...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/r= pmdev-init.el (source)...done
For information about GNU Emacs and= the GNU system, type C-h C-a.

Load-path shadows:
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp= /lilypond-init hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/lilypond-init<= /div>
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/maxima-modes hides /usr/s= hare/emacs/site-lisp/maxima/site_start.d/maxima-modes

Features:
(shadow sort mail-extr message send= mail regexp-opt ecomplete rfc822 mml
easymenu mml-sec password-ca= che mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap
mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2= 047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader
gnus-util netrc time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils wid-edit
<= div>mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util hashcash mail-utils emacsbug tooltip
ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd font-settin= g
tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar
rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock<= /div>
syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lan= g
vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek
romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
=
case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button
minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64
format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable
backquote make-network-process dbusbind system-font-setting
font-render-setting gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs)

--e89a8ff1cb8696ce3d04cc10e3e7-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 18 14:31:45 2012 Received: (at 12651-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2012 18:31:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50274 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TOusi-0007hd-RW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:31:45 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:48714) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TOusg-0007hO-Dk for 12651-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:31:43 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MC300500PZF6V00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12651-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:29:51 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MC3004PCQ1PTP70@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:29:50 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:30:06 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12651: 23.3; TUTORIAL.ru: bad translation In-reply-to: To: =?koi8-r?B?6cfP0tgg8M/DxczVxdc=?= <4eppelin@gmail.com> Message-id: <83lif31vm9.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:46:56 +0400 > From: Игорь Поцелуев > <4eppelin@gmail.com> > > This text in russian tutorial seems to be not quite clean: > "Если большая клавиша помечена как "Backspace", то это то, что вам нужно > использовать тогда, когда вы будете читать про . Если у вас к тому > же есть и клавиша, помеченная как "Delete", но она имеет другую функцию, > отличную от ." > > I offer to make it simpler and closer to original text of tutorial, for > instance: > "Если большая клавиша помечена как "Backspace", то это то, что вам нужно > использовать для . При этом в другом месте может иметься клавиша, > помеченная как "Delete", но это не ." [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:46:56 +0400 > From: =E9=C7=CF=D2=D8 =F0=CF=C3=C5=CC=D5=C5=D7 > =09<4eppelin@gmail.com> >=20 > This text in russian tutorial seems to be not quite clean: > "=E5=D3=CC=C9 =C2=CF=CC=D8=DB=C1=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1 =D0=CF= =CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=C1 =CB=C1=CB "Backspace", =D4=CF =DC=D4=CF =D4=CF, = =DE=D4=CF =D7=C1=CD =CE=D5=D6=CE=CF > =C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=D8 =D4=CF=C7=C4=C1, =CB=CF=C7= =C4=C1 =D7=D9 =C2=D5=C4=C5=D4=C5 =DE=C9=D4=C1=D4=D8 =D0=D2=CF . =E5=D3=CC=C9 =D5 =D7=C1=D3 =CB =D4=CF=CD=D5 > =D6=C5 =C5=D3=D4=D8 =C9 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1, =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5= =CE=CE=C1=D1 =CB=C1=CB "Delete", =CE=CF =CF=CE=C1 =C9=CD=C5=C5=D4 = =C4=D2=D5=C7=D5=C0 =C6=D5=CE=CB=C3=C9=C0, > =CF=D4=CC=C9=DE=CE=D5=C0 =CF=D4 ." >=20 > I offer to make it simpler and closer to original text of tutorial,= for > instance: > "=E5=D3=CC=C9 =C2=CF=CC=D8=DB=C1=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1 =D0=CF= =CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=C1 =CB=C1=CB "Backspace", =D4=CF =DC=D4=CF =D4=CF, = =DE=D4=CF =D7=C1=CD =CE=D5=D6=CE=CF > =C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=D8 =C4=CC=D1 . =F0=D2= =C9 =DC=D4=CF=CD =D7 =C4=D2=D5=C7=CF=CD =CD=C5=D3=D4=C5 =CD=CF=D6= =C5=D4 =C9=CD=C5=D4=D8=D3=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1, > =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=CE=C1=D1 =CB=C1=CB "Delete", =CE=CF =DC=D4= =CF =CE=C5 ." Thanks. This problem is already fixed in the current development sources, albeit differently. The current text says: =FE=D4=CF=C2=D9 =D5=C4=C1=CC=C9=D4=D8 =D3=C9=CD=D7=CF=CC =D0=C5= =D2=C5=C4 =CB=D5=D2=D3=CF=D2=CF=CD, =CE=C1=D6=CD=C9=D4=C5 =CB=CC=C1= =D7=C9=DB=D5 . =EF=C2=D9=DE=CE=CF =DC=D4=CF =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1 =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=CE=C1=D1 =CB=C1=CB "Bac= kspace" -- =D4=C1 =D3=C1=CD=C1=D1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=DB=C1, =CB=CF=D4= =CF=D2=D5=C0 =D7=D9 =CF=C2=D9=DE=CE=CF =C9=D3=D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=D5=C5=D4=C5 =D7=CE=C5 Emacs =C4=CC=D1 =D5= =C4=C1=CC=C5=CE=C9=D1 =D0=CF=D3=CC=C5=C4=CE=C5=C7=CF =CE=C1=C2=D2= =C1=CE=CE=CF=C7=CF =D3=C9=CD=D7=CF=CC=C1. =EE=C1 =CB=CC=C1=D7=C9=C1=D4=D5=D2=C5 =CD=CF=D6=C5=D4 =D0=D2=C9= =D3=D5=D4=D3=D4=D7=CF=D7=C1=D4=D8 =C9 =C4=D2=D5=C7=C1=D1 =CB=CC=C1= =D7=C9=DB=C1, =D0=CF=CD=C5=DE=C5=CE=CE=C1=D1 =CB=C1=CB "Delete", =CE=CF =CF=CE=C1 =C9=CD=C5=C5=D4 =C4=D2=D5=C7=D5=C0 =C6= =D5=CE=CB=C3=C9=C0, =CF=D4=CC=C9=DE=CE=D5=C0 =CF=D4 . 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