From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed Resent-From: Arvind Devarajan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.134992728122112 (code B ref -1); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:49:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2012 03:48:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38475 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9kc-0005kV-W7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:48:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51137) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9Wv-0005Qe-Ia for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:33:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W8-0001z5-DI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:33:02 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,RCVD_IN_XBL, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:33170) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W8-0001z1-AA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:33:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52625) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W6-00014h-Ee for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:33:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W5-0001yj-3j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:32:58 -0400 Received: from col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.26]:12970) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W4-0001yd-R7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:32:57 -0400 Received: from COL401-EAS402 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:32:55 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [112.79.40.95] X-EIP: [bEQB7N5gMpcjbrB5pQ3nzI5CpSQV7QDk] X-Originating-Email: [arvind.devarajan@outlook.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Arvind Devarajan Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:02:54 +0530 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_E26879B0-338A-2FD7-A90C-8F99325CF334_" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2012 03:32:55.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[19EC8650:01CDA761] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:47:57 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) --_E26879B0-338A-2FD7-A90C-8F99325CF334_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" {Precondition} PC-Local: The PC in which emacs is running. PC-Remote: The PC in which a file is created in a folder, that is shared. PC-Local has a shortcut/mapping to the shared folder in PC-Remote. It can hence access the file in PC-Remote via this shortcut/mapped drive. =20 {Action} Start Emacs in PC-Local, and open the file in PC-Remote (either by C-x f or just drag-and-drop) =20 {Observation} Emacs crashes. =20 {Expected} No such crash, and the file is editable/readable depending on the permissions on the file. =20 {Emacs details} In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-08-29 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' =20 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t =20 Major mode: Org =20 Minor modes in effect: auto-insert-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t =20 Recent input: M-x r e p o r t - =20 Recent messages: `epa-file' already enabled Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/custom.el (source)... Loading delsel...done Loading paren...done Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/custom.el (source)...done Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/extensions/org-outlook.el (source)...done Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/init.el (source)...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. OVERVIEW CONTENTS...done =20 Load-path shadows: None found. =20 Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils org-wl org-w3m org-vm org-rmail org-mhe org-mew org-irc org-jsinfo org-infojs org-html org-exp ob-exp org-exp-blocks find-func org-agenda org-info org-gnus org-docview org-bibtex bibtex org-bbdb org-outlook org-protocol org byte-opt warnings bytecomp byte-compile cconv macroexp advice help-fns advice-preload ob-emacs-lisp ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table org-footnote org-src ob-comint ob-keys ob ob-eval org-pcomplete pcomplete comint ansi-color ring org-list org-faces org-compat org-entities org-macs noutline outline easy-mmode format-spec regexp-opt cal-menu easymenu calendar cal-loaddefs autoinsert org-install server paren delsel cus-start cus-load aes epa-file epa derived epg epg-config cl time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs) = --_E26879B0-338A-2FD7-A90C-8F99325CF334_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252"
{Precondition}
PC-Local: The PC in which emacs= is running.
PC-Remote: The PC in which a file is created in a folder, t= hat is shared.
PC-Local has a shortcut/mapping to the shared folder in P= C-Remote. It
can hence access the file in PC-Remote via this shortcut/ma= pped drive.

{Action}
Start Emacs in PC-Local, and open the file = in PC-Remote (either by C-x f
or just drag-and-drop)

{Observatio= n}
Emacs crashes.

{Expected}
No such crash, and the file is e= ditable/readable depending on the
permissions on the file.

{Emac= s details}
In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2012-08-29 = on MARVIN
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.26= 00
Configured using:
`configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags
-ID:/dev= el/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/sr= c
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/l= ibs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/includ= e
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-= 3.8.2-1/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include'

Impo= rtant settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLL= ATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES:= nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: n= il
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: ENU
 = value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: cp1252
 = default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Org

Min= or modes in effect:
  auto-insert-mode: t
  show-paren-mode= : t
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-= bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  bli= nk-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encrypt= ion-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  column-number-mode= : t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

= Recent input:
M-x r e p o r t - <tab> <return>

Recen= t messages:
`epa-file' already enabled
Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.= d/custom.el (source)...
Loading delsel...done
Loading paren...doneLoading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/custom.el (source)...done
Loading d:/vb= ox/shared/.emacs.d/extensions/org-outlook.el (source)...done
Loading d:/= vbox/shared/.emacs.d/init.el (source)...done
For information about GNU E= macs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
OVERVIEW
CONTENTS...done
<= br>Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow sort gnus= -util mail-extr emacsbug message rfc822 mml mml-sec
mm-decode mm-bodies = mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils
mailheader sendmail rf= c2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr
mail-utils org-wl org-w3m or= g-vm org-rmail org-mhe org-mew org-irc
org-jsinfo org-infojs org-html or= g-exp ob-exp org-exp-blocks find-func
org-agenda org-info org-gnus org-d= ocview org-bibtex bibtex org-bbdb
org-outlook org-protocol org byte-opt = warnings bytecomp byte-compile
cconv macroexp advice help-fns advice-pre= load ob-emacs-lisp ob-tangle
ob-ref ob-lob ob-table org-footnote org-src= ob-comint ob-keys ob ob-eval
org-pcomplete pcomplete comint ansi-color = ring org-list org-faces
org-compat org-entities org-macs noutline outlin= e easy-mmode format-spec
regexp-opt cal-menu easymenu calendar cal-loadd= efs autoinsert
org-install server paren delsel cus-start cus-load aes ep= a-file epa
derived epg epg-config cl time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hoo= ks
lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-varstool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar
rfn-= eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
facemenu= font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
tibetan t= hai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak
czech euro= pean ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook = help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces
cus-face files text-= properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env
code-pages mule custom wid= get hashtable-print-readable backquote
make-network-process multi-tty em= acs)
= --_E26879B0-338A-2FD7-A90C-8F99325CF334_-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Acknowledgement (Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed) References: In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Arvind Devarajan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.134994475814967 (code B ref 12621); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2012 08:39:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38770 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TMEIX-0003tM-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:39:18 -0400 Received: from dub0-omc4-s35.dub0.hotmail.com ([157.55.2.110]:6255) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TMEIT-0003t5-8O for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 04:39:15 -0400 Received: from DUB402-EAS423 ([157.55.2.71]) by dub0-omc4-s35.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:38:23 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [112.79.40.99] X-EIP: [PWm6/fMmW9mfxRm4YkvjHy5qWIipryHJ] X-Originating-Email: [arvind.devarajan@outlook.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6e4cc12f-d1e8-41bb-988b-d07a5d3a5010_" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Arvind Devarajan Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:08:21 +0530 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2012 08:38:23.0679 (UTC) FILETIME=[C68944F0:01CDA78B] X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) --_6e4cc12f-d1e8-41bb-988b-d07a5d3a5010_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I just noticed that this does not happen if the files are accessed via 'map= ped' drives. Happens only when UNC paths are used. ________________________________ From: GNU bug Tracking System Sent: 11-10-2012 09:18 To: Arvind Devarajan Subject: bug#12621: Acknowledgement (Win32 (Ver:24.2)=3B Crashes when files= from shared folders are accessed) Thank you for filing a new bug report with debbugs.gnu.org. This is an automatically generated reply to let you know your message has been received. Your message is being forwarded to the package maintainers and other interested parties for their attention=3B they will reply in due course. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org If you wish to submit further information on this problem=2C please send it to 12621@debbugs.gnu.org. Please do not send mail to help-debbugs@gnu.org unless you wish to report a problem with the Bug-tracking system. -- 12621: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D12621 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems --_6e4cc12f-d1e8-41bb-988b-d07a5d3a5010_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I ju= st noticed that this does not happen if the files are accessed via 'mapped'= drives. Happens only when UNC paths are used.


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--_6e4cc12f-d1e8-41bb-988b-d07a5d3a5010_-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arvind Devarajan Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.134997559230615 (code B ref 12621); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2012 17:13:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39816 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TMMJr-0007xj-Tz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:13:12 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:46492) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TMMJp-0007xW-Tx for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:13:11 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MBQ00D00NNWMP00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:11:48 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MBQ00BXKNROXYT0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:11:48 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:11:55 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <838vbdkk6c.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:08:21 +0530 > > I just noticed that this does not happen if the files are accessed via 'mapped' drives. Happens only when UNC paths are used. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:08:21 +0530 > > I just noticed that this does not happen if the files are accessed via 'mapped' drives. Happens only when UNC paths are used. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.166 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:08:21 +0530 > > I just noticed that this does not happen if the files are accessed via 'mapped' drives. Happens only when UNC paths are used. I cannot reproduce this here. I tried on 2 different networks with 4 different machines, and couldn't reproduce the crash, both when a shared directory is mapped to a drive letter and when using UNCs. I see the expected behavior: I can visit files in the shared remote directory, and if the directory's sharing permissions allow only read-only access, I get an error message when I try updating files in it. Does this happen in "emacs -Q"? If not, please try to identify which of your customizations could be related (i.e. if removed from .emacs, the crashes disappear). If the problem persists in "emacs -Q", perhaps you left out some crucial detail of the recipe to reproduce the problem. Please describe the recipe in more detail, including how exactly you make a directory shared, what permissions you define for its access, etc. Alternatively, if you or someone else who reads this can reproduce the problem under a debugger and send a backtrace, we could perhaps cut to the chase much faster. (If you want to give this a try, you will probably need a development snapshot, because I believe the official releases have their binaries stripped, so a debugger will give no useful information.) Thanks. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arvind Devarajan Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135032312218694 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2012 17:45:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45557 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TNojB-0004rT-Pw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:45:22 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:33986) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TNoj8-0004rF-R7 for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:45:20 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MBY00D003U5G000@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:44:04 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MBY00DM53XF6O90@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:44:04 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:44:13 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83k3ur4olu.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: [Please keep the bug address on the CC list.] > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:12:57 +0530 > > I did some more experiments this weekend, and I noticed the following: > 1. This does not depend on my customizations > 2. Interestingly, and I noticed this after your reply, that you were right in not able to reproduce this (blame me for this). I am surprised that it happens only when I access a shared folder that actually exists on a Linux system - it is shared via Samba. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: [Please keep the bug address on the CC list.] > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:12:57 +0530 > > I did some more experiments this weekend, and I noticed the following: > 1. This does not depend on my customizations > 2. Interestingly, and I noticed this after your reply, that you were right in not able to reproduce this (blame me for this). I am surprised that it happens only when I access a shared folder that actually exists on a Linux system - it is shared via Samba. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.169 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] [Please keep the bug address on the CC list.] > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:12:57 +0530 > > I did some more experiments this weekend, and I noticed the following: > 1. This does not depend on my customizations > 2. Interestingly, and I noticed this after your reply, that you were right in not able to reproduce this (blame me for this). I am surprised that it happens only when I access a shared folder that actually exists on a Linux system - it is shared via Samba. This is important info, thanks. > 3. When emacs crashed, I clicked the 'more info' link that windows crash-handler shows. It gave this info: ModName: rpcrt4.dll, ModVer: 5.1.2600.6022 (only relavant info shown). > > Since I am more a Linux user, and have no experience on setting up a windows debug environment, I am not in a position to give you call stack. I shall attempt this over this week if you say the above info is not sufficient. Unfortunately, it isn't sufficient. First, please right-click on "My Computer", select "Manage", then expand "Event Viewer" in the left pane (by clicking on the "+" sign to its left), then click "Application". Now find in the right pane the log entry for the crash, double-click on that line, and click the copy to clipboard button on the right near the top, below the two buttons with arrows. Finally, paste from the clipboard to your mailer and post everything here. This might at least give us the address where Emacs crashed. However, I think that this, too, will be insufficient, because the address will be within rpcrt4.dll, which is not part of Emacs. So please do install a Windows port of GDB from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/MinGW/Extension/gdb/GDB-7.5/gdb-7.5-1-mingw32-bin.tar.lzma/download and then run it under GDB. When it crashes, please post here the backtrace you get. It is advisable to do this with the development snapshot, available from here: http://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/ This is because snapshot binaries are not stripped of the debug info, so you will be able to produce a more meaningful information with GDB. TIA From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: arvind.devarajan@outlook.com Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13503310404635 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2012 19:57:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45744 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TNqmu-0001Ci-8U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:57:20 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:50594) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TNqmr-0001CW-K0 for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:57:18 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MBY00200A0FYE00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:55:42 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MBY0020YA0TJOA0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:55:42 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:55:51 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83k3ur4olu.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83fw5f4iig.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83k3ur4olu.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Please also try setting w32-get-true-file-attributes to t before you type "C-x C-f" to open a remote file. Does that crash as well? [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] Please also try setting w32-get-true-file-attributes to t before you type "C-x C-f" to open a remote file. Does that crash as well? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed References: In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Arvind Devarajan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13503948535268 (code B ref 12621); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2012 13:40:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46360 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TO7O8-0001Mu-EJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:40:53 -0400 Received: from blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.111.150]:35154) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TO7O5-0001Mc-Tk for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:40:51 -0400 Received: from BLU402-EAS146 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 06:39:31 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [112.79.43.92] X-EIP: [NuYKiJ1ekUiZmil0/CN6p4dvhMEexG/N] X-Originating-Email: [arvind.devarajan@outlook.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_400b93b5-ced9-4bc9-a204-8a3ede8f49de_" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Arvind Devarajan Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:09:42 +0530 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2012 13:39:31.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABD340E0:01CDABA3] X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) --_400b93b5-ced9-4bc9-a204-8a3ede8f49de_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks for reply. I got something interesting: 1) Problem does not occur in the development snapshot 2) I anyway collected the backtrace via MinGW gdb. I can just take the deve= lopment snapshot=2C but I think it might be interesting for you to know the= reason: (gdb) bt #0 0x77e82fed in RPCRT4!I_RpcNegotiateTransferSyntax () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #1 0x77e7a741 in RPCRT4!NdrAllocate () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #2 0x77e7f64c in RPCRT4!NdrConformantStructBufferSize () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #3 0x77e7ae23 in RPCRT4!NdrpMemoryIncrement () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #4 0x77e89a57 in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #5 0x77e899d2 in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #6 0x77e89c5c in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #7 0x77e7cc59 in RPCRT4!NdrConformantArrayBufferSize () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #8 0x77e7ae23 in RPCRT4!NdrpMemoryIncrement () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #9 0x77e86d08 in RPCRT4!NdrComplexStructFree () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #10 0x77e718cc in SimpleTypeMemorySize () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #11 0x00819518 in ?? () #12 0x77ef55cc in RPCRT4!CStdStubBuffer_CountRefs () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #13 0x77de5ab8 in LsaICLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #14 0x77ddf4b0 in GetSidLengthRequired () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.d= ll #15 0x77de5a67 in LsaICLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #16 0x0086d600 in ?? () #17 0x77de58f6 in LsaLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #18 0x77de57a7 in LookupAccountSidW () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #19 0x77e0d99b in LookupAccountSidA () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #20 0x01029dfb in lookup_account_sid@28 () #21 0x0102a10d in get_name_and_id () #22 0x0102a284 in get_file_owner_and_group () #23 0x0102c2a7 in stat () #24 0x0103bdf7 in Finsert_file_contents () #25 0x0100ee96 in Ffuncall () #26 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #27 0x01071f9a in Fbyte_code () #28 0x0100e48d in eval_sub () #29 0x0101111b in internal_lisp_condition_case () #30 0x01070ae5 in exec_byte_code () #31 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #32 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #33 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #34 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #35 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #36 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #37 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #38 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #39 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #40 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #41 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #42 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #43 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #44 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #45 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #46 0x01071f9a in Fbyte_code () #47 0x0100e48d in eval_sub () #48 0x0100d4fb in internal_catch () #49 0x01070b2b in exec_byte_code () #50 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #51 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #52 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #53 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #54 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #55 0x0100f1fe in call1 () #56 0x0104c4cd in mapcar1 () #57 0x0104f6db in Fmapc () #58 0x0100eef0 in Ffuncall () #59 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #60 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #61 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #62 0x010728ec in Fcall_interactively () #63 0x0100eed9 in Ffuncall () #64 0x0100f1a0 in call3 () #65 0x010259e5 in command_loop_1 () #66 0x0100d5b1 in internal_condition_case () #67 0x0101cf14 in command_loop_2 () #68 0x0100d4fb in internal_catch () #69 0x0101dc8c in recursive_edit_1 () #70 0x0101df14 in Frecursive_edit () #71 0x011a1c47 in main () A debugging session is active. Inferior 1 [process 7112] will be killed. Quit anyway? (y or n) ________________________________ From: Eli Zaretskii Sent: 16-10-2012 01:26 To: arvind.devarajan@outlook.com Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2)=3B Crashes when files from shared = folders are accessed Please also try setting w32-get-true-file-attributes to t before you type "C-x C-f" to open a remote file. Does that crash as well? --_400b93b5-ced9-4bc9-a204-8a3ede8f49de_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Thanks for reply. I got something interesting:
1) Problem does not occur in the development snapshot
2) I anyway collected the backtrace via MinGW gdb. I can just take the deve= lopment snapshot=2C but I think it might be interesting for you to know the= reason:

(gdb) bt

#0 =3B 0x77e82fed in RPCRT4!I_RpcNegotiateTransferSyntax ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#1 =3B 0x77e7a741 in RPCRT4!NdrAllocate () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt= 4.dll

#2 =3B 0x77e7f64c in RPCRT4!NdrConformantStructBufferSize ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#3 =3B 0x77e7ae23 in RPCRT4!NdrpMemoryIncrement ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#4 =3B 0x77e89a57 in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#5 =3B 0x77e899d2 in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#6 =3B 0x77e89c5c in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#7 =3B 0x77e7cc59 in RPCRT4!NdrConformantArrayBufferSize ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#8 =3B 0x77e7ae23 in RPCRT4!NdrpMemoryIncrement ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#9 =3B 0x77e86d08 in RPCRT4!NdrComplexStructFree ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#10 0x77e718cc in SimpleTypeMemorySize () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll=

#11 0x00819518 in ?? ()

#12 0x77ef55cc in RPCRT4!CStdStubBuffer_CountRefs ()

 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll

#13 0x77de5ab8 in LsaICLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll
#14 0x77ddf4b0 in GetSidLengthRequired () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.d= ll

#15 0x77de5a67 in LsaICLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll
#16 0x0086d600 in ?? ()

#17 0x77de58f6 in LsaLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll

#18 0x77de57a7 in LookupAccountSidW () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll<= br>
#19 0x77e0d99b in LookupAccountSidA () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll<= br>
#20 0x01029dfb in lookup_account_sid@28 ()

#21 0x0102a10d in get_name_and_id ()

#22 0x0102a284 in get_file_owner_and_group ()

#23 0x0102c2a7 in stat ()

#24 0x0103bdf7 in Finsert_file_contents ()

#25 0x0100ee96 in Ffuncall ()

#26 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()

#27 0x01071f9a in Fbyte_code ()

#28 0x0100e48d in eval_sub ()

#29 0x0101111b in internal_lisp_condition_case ()

#30 0x01070ae5 in exec_byte_code ()

#31 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()

#32 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()

#33 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()

#34 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()

#35 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()

#36 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()

#37 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()

#38 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()

#39 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()

#40 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()

#41 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()

#42 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()

#43 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()

#44 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()

#45 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()

#46 0x01071f9a in Fbyte_code ()

#47 0x0100e48d in eval_sub ()

#48 0x0100d4fb in internal_catch ()

#49 0x01070b2b in exec_byte_code ()

#50 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()

#51 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()

#52 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()

#53 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()

#54 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()

#55 0x0100f1fe in call1 ()

#56 0x0104c4cd in mapcar1 ()

#57 0x0104f6db in Fmapc ()

#58 0x0100eef0 in Ffuncall ()

#59 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()

#60 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()

#61 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()

#62 0x010728ec in Fcall_interactively ()

#63 0x0100eed9 in Ffuncall ()

#64 0x0100f1a0 in call3 ()

#65 0x010259e5 in command_loop_1 ()

#66 0x0100d5b1 in internal_condition_case ()

#67 0x0101cf14 in command_loop_2 ()

#68 0x0100d4fb in internal_catch ()

#69 0x0101dc8c in recursive_edit_1 ()

#70 0x0101df14 in Frecursive_edit ()

#71 0x011a1c47 in main ()

A debugging session is active.



 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Inferior 1 [process 7112] wil= l be killed.



Quit anyway? (y or n)



From: Eli Zaretskii
Sent: 16-10-2012 01:26
To: arvind.devarajan@outlook.com
Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2)=3B Crashes when files from shared fold= ers are accessed

Please also try setting w32-get-true-file-attribut= es to t before you
type "=3BC-x C-f"=3B to open a remote file. =3B Does that crash= as well?
--_400b93b5-ced9-4bc9-a204-8a3ede8f49de_-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arvind Devarajan Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135040886926314 (code B ref 12621); Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2012 17:34:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TOB2C-0006qN-V5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:34:29 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:35800) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TOB2A-0006q9-5G for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:34:27 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MBZ00J00Y215H00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:32:31 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MBZ00HRXY27TRO0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:32:31 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:32:43 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83626a491g.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:09:42 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > 1) Problem does not occur in the development snapshot [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.166 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:09:42 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > 1) Problem does not occur in the development snapshot That's good news, thanks. > 2) I anyway collected the backtrace via MinGW gdb. I can just take the development snapshot, but I think it might be interesting for you to know the reason: This explains quite a lot. I still don't fully understand why the system call crashed so deeply inside the RPC DLL, but maybe now it's not as important to understand that, because the next Emacs release will probably work OK, since it's based on the code in the development snapshot. One thing to try in v24.2 is set w32-get-true-file-attributes to a nil value before opening the file. This should bypass the call to LookupAccountSid, the API whose call crashed. For the record, what do you see if you type "C-x d" to invoke Dired on the directory whose files crash Emacs 24.2? I'm mainly interested in the owner and the group shown by Dired for those files. Please try this in both versions of Emacs (v24.2 is likely to crash, but I hope the development snapshot will not; if it does, please try to produce a backtrace form it). Thanks. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed References: In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Arvind Devarajan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13509012942886 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2012 10:21:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQF8X-0000kT-Ug for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:21:34 -0400 Received: from blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.111.161]:1807) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQF8U-0000k9-BN for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:21:32 -0400 Received: from BLU403-EAS279 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:19:38 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [112.79.41.20] X-EIP: [jxoys8Wh25ELejyQHax0Q+FJ+YyhCoKM] X-Originating-Email: [arvind.devarajan@outlook.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7c37851f-8e6b-4cf8-bb69-1e023ada2920_" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Arvind Devarajan Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:49:36 +0530 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2012 10:19:38.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDF1BE10:01CDB03E] X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) --_7c37851f-8e6b-4cf8-bb69-1e023ada2920_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sorry for the late reply... I see that dired does not crash=2C unless a file is selected for opening af= ter the dired listed the files. Secondly=2C I see that emacs crashes even with w32-get-true-file-attributes= is set to nil. ________________________________ From: Eli Zaretskii Sent: 16-10-2012 23:03 To: Arvind Devarajan Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2)=3B Crashes when files from shared = folders are accessed > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Tue=2C 16 Oct 2012 19:09:42 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > 1) Problem does not occur in the development snapshot That's good news=2C thanks. > 2) I anyway collected the backtrace via MinGW gdb. I can just take the de= velopment snapshot=2C but I think it might be interesting for you to know t= he reason: This explains quite a lot. I still don't fully understand why the system call crashed so deeply inside the RPC DLL=2C but maybe now it's not as important to understand that=2C because the next Emacs release will probably work OK=2C since it's based on the code in the development snapshot. One thing to try in v24.2 is set w32-get-true-file-attributes to a nil value before opening the file. This should bypass the call to LookupAccountSid=2C the API whose call crashed. For the record=2C what do you see if you type "C-x d" to invoke Dired on the directory whose files crash Emacs 24.2? I'm mainly interested in the owner and the group shown by Dired for those files. Please try this in both versions of Emacs (v24.2 is likely to crash=2C but I hope the development snapshot will not=3B if it does=2C please try to produce a backtrace form it). Thanks. --_7c37851f-8e6b-4cf8-bb69-1e023ada2920_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Sorr= y for the late reply...
I see that dired does not crash=2C unless a file is selected for opening af= ter the dired listed the files.

Secondly=2C I see that emacs crashes even with w32-get-true-file-attributes= is set to nil.
From: Eli Zaretskii
Sent: 16-10-2012 23:03
To: Arvind Devarajan
Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2)=3B Crashes when files from shared fold= ers are accessed

>=3B From: Arvind Devarajan <=3Barvind.devaraj= an@outlook.com>=3B
>=3B Date: Tue=2C 16 Oct 2012 19:09:42 +=3B0530
>=3B CC: "=3B12621@debbugs.gnu.org"=3B <=3B12621@debbugs.gnu.or= g>=3B
>=3B
>=3B 1) Problem does not occur in the development snapshot

That's good news=2C thanks.

>=3B 2) I anyway collected the backtrace via MinGW gdb. I can just take t= he development snapshot=2C but I think it might be interesting for you to k= now the reason:

This explains quite a lot. =3B I still don't fully understand why the system call crashed so deeply inside the RPC DLL=2C but maybe now it's
not as important to understand that=2C because the next Emacs release
will probably work OK=2C since it's based on the code in the development snapshot.

One thing to try in v24.2 is set w32-get-true-file-attributes to a nil
value before opening the file. =3B This should bypass the call to
LookupAccountSid=2C the API whose call crashed.

For the record=2C what do you see if you type "=3BC-x d"=3B to invo= ke Dired on
the directory whose files crash Emacs 24.2? =3B I'm mainly interested i= n
the owner and the group shown by Dired for those files. =3B Please try<= br> this in both versions of Emacs (v24.2 is likely to crash=2C but I hope
the development snapshot will not=3B if it does=2C please try to produce a<= br> backtrace form it).

Thanks.
--_7c37851f-8e6b-4cf8-bb69-1e023ada2920_-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arvind Devarajan Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.1350926189401 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2012 17:16:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56150 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQLc5-00006P-JQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:16:29 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:51054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQLc2-000064-M6 for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:16:28 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MCB00K00172IY00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:14:18 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MCB00KZP17U8LC0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:14:18 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:14:14 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83lieyctuh.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:49:36 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Sorry for the late reply... No problem. > Secondly, I see that emacs crashes even with w32-get-true-file-attributes is set to nil. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:49:36 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Sorry for the late reply... No problem. > Secondly, I see that emacs crashes even with w32-get-true-file-attributes is set to nil. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:49:36 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Sorry for the late reply... No problem. > Secondly, I see that emacs crashes even with w32-get-true-file-attributes is set to nil. That's strange. Can you show a GDB backtrace in this case, please? When w32-get-true-file-attributes is nil, Emacs is not supposed to call the LookupAccountSid API, which was the one that led to the crash in your previous backtrace. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed References: In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Arvind Devarajan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135099474126729 (code B ref 12621); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2012 12:19:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57127 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQdRj-0006x3-Gt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:19:00 -0400 Received: from dub0-omc4-s35.dub0.hotmail.com ([157.55.2.110]:60176) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQdRf-0006wo-R8 for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:18:58 -0400 Received: from DUB402-EAS389 ([157.55.2.73]) by dub0-omc4-s35.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 05:16:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [112.79.41.107] X-EIP: [xqmIkrrhhix21ypW0NYHCanI29kj5O4A] X-Originating-Email: [arvind.devarajan@outlook.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_971edf3e-c4c4-4195-9885-40fbb976d8ef_" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Arvind Devarajan Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:46:54 +0530 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2012 12:16:56.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B86F680:01CDB118] X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) --_971edf3e-c4c4-4195-9885-40fbb976d8ef_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Here=E2=80=99s the call stack (and also see below the callstack for the res= ult of C-h v w32-get-true-file-attributes): #0 0x77e82fed in RPCRT4!I_RpcNegotiateTransferSyntax () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #1 0x77e7a741 in RPCRT4!NdrAllocate () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #2 0x77e7f64c in RPCRT4!NdrConformantStructBufferSize () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #3 0x77e7ae23 in RPCRT4!NdrpMemoryIncrement () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #4 0x77e89a57 in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #5 0x77e899d2 in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #6 0x77e89c5c in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #7 0x77e7cc59 in RPCRT4!NdrConformantArrayBufferSize () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #8 0x77e7ae23 in RPCRT4!NdrpMemoryIncrement () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #9 0x77e86d08 in RPCRT4!NdrComplexStructFree () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #10 0x77e718cc in SimpleTypeMemorySize () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #11 0x00819518 in ?? () #12 0x77ef55cc in RPCRT4!CStdStubBuffer_CountRefs () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll #13 0x77de5ab8 in LsaICLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #14 0x77ddf4b0 in GetSidLengthRequired () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.d= ll #15 0x77de5a67 in LsaICLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #16 0x0086d7a8 in ?? () #17 0x77de58f6 in LsaLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #18 0x77de57a7 in LookupAccountSidW () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #19 0x77e0d99b in LookupAccountSidA () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #20 0x01029dfb in lookup_account_sid@28 () #21 0x0102a10d in get_name_and_id () #22 0x0102a284 in get_file_owner_and_group () #23 0x0102c2a7 in stat () #24 0x0103bdf7 in Finsert_file_contents () #25 0x0100ee96 in Ffuncall () #26 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #27 0x01071f9a in Fbyte_code () #28 0x0100e48d in eval_sub () #29 0x0101111b in internal_lisp_condition_case () #30 0x01070ae5 in exec_byte_code () #31 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #32 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #33 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #34 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #35 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #36 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #37 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #38 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #39 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #40 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #41 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #42 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #43 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #44 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #45 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #46 0x01071f9a in Fbyte_code () #47 0x0100e48d in eval_sub () #48 0x0100d4fb in internal_catch () #49 0x01070b2b in exec_byte_code () #50 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #51 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #52 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #53 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #54 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #55 0x0100f1fe in call1 () #56 0x0104c4cd in mapcar1 () #57 0x0104f6db in Fmapc () #58 0x0100eef0 in Ffuncall () #59 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () #60 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda () #61 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall () #62 0x010728ec in Fcall_interactively () #63 0x0100eed9 in Ffuncall () #64 0x0100f1a0 in call3 () #65 0x010259e5 in command_loop_1 () #66 0x0100d5b1 in internal_condition_case () #67 0x0101cf14 in command_loop_2 () #68 0x0100d4fb in internal_catch () #69 0x0101dc8c in recursive_edit_1 () #70 0x0101df14 in Frecursive_edit () #71 0x011a1c47 in main () A debugging session is active. Inferior 1 [process 5440] will be killed. Quit anyway? (y or n) --- Result of C-h v w32-get-true-file-attributes --- w32-get-true-file-attributes is a variable defined in `C source code'. Its value is nil Documentation: Non-nil means determine accurate file attributes in `file-attributes'. This option controls whether to issue additional system calls to determine accurate link counts=2C file type=2C and ownership information. It is more useful for files on NTFS volumes=2C where hard links and file security are supported=2C than on volumes of the FAT family. Without these system calls=2C link count will always be reported as 1 and f= ile ownership will be attributed to the current user. The default value `local' means only issue these system calls for files on local fixed drives. A value of nil means never issue them. Any other non-nil value means do this even on remote and removable drives where the performance impact may be noticeable even on modern hardware. ________________________________ From: Eli Zaretskii Sent: 22-10-2012 22:44 To: Arvind Devarajan Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2)=3B Crashes when files from shared = folders are accessed > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Mon=2C 22 Oct 2012 15:49:36 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Sorry for the late reply... No problem. > Secondly=2C I see that emacs crashes even with w32-get-true-file-attribut= es is set to nil. That's strange. Can you show a GDB backtrace in this case=2C please? When w32-get-true-file-attributes is nil=2C Emacs is not supposed to call the LookupAccountSid API=2C which was the one that led to the crash in your previous backtrace. --_971edf3e-c4c4-4195-9885-40fbb976d8ef_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Here= =E2=80=99s the call stack (and also see below the callstack for the result = of C-h v w32-get-true-file-attributes):

#0 =3B 0x77e82fed in RPCRT4!I_RpcNegotiateTransferSyntax ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#1 =3B 0x77e7a741 in RPCRT4!NdrAllocate () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt= 4.dll
#2 =3B 0x77e7f64c in RPCRT4!NdrConformantStructBufferSize ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#3 =3B 0x77e7ae23 in RPCRT4!NdrpMemoryIncrement ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#4 =3B 0x77e89a57 in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#5 =3B 0x77e899d2 in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#6 =3B 0x77e89c5c in RpcBindingSetAuthInfoExW ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#7 =3B 0x77e7cc59 in RPCRT4!NdrConformantArrayBufferSize ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#8 =3B 0x77e7ae23 in RPCRT4!NdrpMemoryIncrement ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#9 =3B 0x77e86d08 in RPCRT4!NdrComplexStructFree ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#10 0x77e718cc in SimpleTypeMemorySize () from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll=
#11 0x00819518 in ?? ()
#12 0x77ef55cc in RPCRT4!CStdStubBuffer_CountRefs ()
 =3B =3B from C:\WINNT\system32\rpcrt4.dll
#13 0x77de5ab8 in LsaICLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #14 0x77ddf4b0 in GetSidLengthRequired () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.d= ll
#15 0x77de5a67 in LsaICLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll #16 0x0086d7a8 in ?? ()
#17 0x77de58f6 in LsaLookupSids () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll
#18 0x77de57a7 in LookupAccountSidW () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll<= br> #19 0x77e0d99b in LookupAccountSidA () from C:\WINNT\system32\advapi32.dll<= br> #20 0x01029dfb in lookup_account_sid@28 ()
#21 0x0102a10d in get_name_and_id ()
#22 0x0102a284 in get_file_owner_and_group ()
#23 0x0102c2a7 in stat ()
#24 0x0103bdf7 in Finsert_file_contents ()
#25 0x0100ee96 in Ffuncall ()
#26 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
#27 0x01071f9a in Fbyte_code ()
#28 0x0100e48d in eval_sub ()
#29 0x0101111b in internal_lisp_condition_case ()
#30 0x01070ae5 in exec_byte_code ()
#31 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()
#32 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()
#33 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
#34 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()
#35 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()
#36 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
#37 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()
#38 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()
#39 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
#40 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()
#41 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()
#42 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
#43 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()
#44 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()
#45 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
#46 0x01071f9a in Fbyte_code ()
#47 0x0100e48d in eval_sub ()
#48 0x0100d4fb in internal_catch ()
#49 0x01070b2b in exec_byte_code ()
#50 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()
#51 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()
#52 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
#53 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()
#54 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()
#55 0x0100f1fe in call1 ()
#56 0x0104c4cd in mapcar1 ()
#57 0x0104f6db in Fmapc ()
#58 0x0100eef0 in Ffuncall ()
#59 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
#60 0x0100e9ec in funcall_lambda ()
#61 0x0100ed43 in Ffuncall ()
#62 0x010728ec in Fcall_interactively ()
#63 0x0100eed9 in Ffuncall ()
#64 0x0100f1a0 in call3 ()
#65 0x010259e5 in command_loop_1 ()
#66 0x0100d5b1 in internal_condition_case ()
#67 0x0101cf14 in command_loop_2 ()
#68 0x0100d4fb in internal_catch ()
#69 0x0101dc8c in recursive_edit_1 ()
#70 0x0101df14 in Frecursive_edit ()
#71 0x011a1c47 in main ()
A debugging session is active.

 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B Inferior 1 [proces= s 5440] will be killed.

Quit anyway? (y or n)

---
Result of C-h v w32-get-true-file-attributes
---
w32-get-true-file-attributes is a variable defined in `C source code'.
Its value is nil

Documentation:
Non-nil means determine accurate file attributes in `file-attributes'.
This option controls whether to issue additional system calls to determine<= br> accurate link counts=2C file type=2C and ownership information. =3B It = is more
useful for files on NTFS volumes=2C where hard links and file security are<= br> supported=2C than on volumes of the FAT family.

Without these system calls=2C link count will always be reported as 1 and f= ile
ownership will be attributed to the current user.
The default value `local' means only issue these system calls for files
on local fixed drives. =3B A value of nil means never issue them.
Any other non-nil value means do this even on remote and removable drives where the performance impact may be noticeable even on modern hardware.
From: Eli Zaretskii
Sent: 22-10-2012 22:44
To: Arvind Devarajan
Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2)=3B Crashes when files from shared fold= ers are accessed

>=3B From: Arvind Devarajan <=3Barvind.devaraj= an@outlook.com>=3B
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 22 Oct 2012 15:49:36 +=3B0530
>=3B CC: "=3B12621@debbugs.gnu.org"=3B <=3B12621@debbugs.gnu.or= g>=3B
>=3B
>=3B Sorry for the late reply...

No problem.

>=3B Secondly=2C I see that emacs crashes even with w32-get-true-file-att= ributes is set to nil.

That's strange. =3B Can you show a GDB backtrace in this case=2C please= ?
When w32-get-true-file-attributes is nil=2C Emacs is not supposed to
call the LookupAccountSid API=2C which was the one that led to the crash in your previous backtrace.
--_971edf3e-c4c4-4195-9885-40fbb976d8ef_-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arvind Devarajan Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135100961816644 (code B ref 12621); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2012 16:26:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58028 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQhJi-0004KP-3W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:26:58 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:54853) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQhJg-0004KD-5D for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:26:56 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MCC00400TJ2WZ00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:24:53 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MCC0045OTLGO2D0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:24:53 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:24:51 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: Message-id: <83wqyhb1gs.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:46:54 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > =?UTF-8?Q?Here=E2=80=99s?= the call stack (and also see below the callstack for the result of C-h v w32-get-true-file-attributes): [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4985] > From: Arvind Devarajan > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 17:46:54 +0530 > CC: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> >=20 > Here=E2=80=99s the call stack (and also see below the callstack for= the result of C-h v w32-get-true-file-attributes): > #19 0x77e0d99b in LookupAccountSidA () from C:\WINNT\system32\advap= i32.dll > #20 0x01029dfb in lookup_account_sid@28 () > #21 0x0102a10d in get_name_and_id () > #22 0x0102a284 in get_file_owner_and_group () > #23 0x0102c2a7 in stat () > #24 0x0103bdf7 in Finsert_file_contents () OK, I see what I missed now: insert-file-contents forcibly binds w32-get-true-file-attributes to t. Hmm, I will see what I can do wit= h this (although I still don't understand why this crashes). Thanks. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just to confirm, this is a big problem for me, too. My observations confirm the original report. Stack trace, should it help, is here. I guess "lookup_account_sid" is passing an invalid lpSid? #0 0x75c1511c in RPCRT4!NdrProxyFreeBuffer () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #1 0x76dcbb9e in UpdateTraceA () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll #2 0x0087946c in ?? () #3 0x75c0e69d in RPCRT4!MesDecodeIncrementalHandleCreate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #4 0x0087946c in ?? () #5 0x75c11eda in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #6 0x0087946c in ?? () #7 0x75c06bf0 in RPCRT4!NdrOleAllocate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #8 0x0087946c in ?? () #9 0x75c125e1 in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #10 0x76dcc0a6 in UpdateTraceA () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll #11 0x0087946c in ?? () #12 0x75c12557 in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #13 0x0087998c in ?? () #14 0x75c1253b in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #15 0x0087998c in ?? () #16 0x75c0e713 in RPCRT4!MesDecodeIncrementalHandleCreate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #17 0x0087946c in ?? () #18 0x75c06bf0 in RPCRT4!NdrOleAllocate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #19 0x0087946c in ?? () #20 0x75c13c1a in RPCRT4!I_RpcParseSecurity () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #21 0x76dcfa8e in LsaGetQuotasForAccount () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll #22 0x75c00db7 in UuidFromStringA () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll #23 0x0087946c in ?? () #24 0x75ca0104 in ?? 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() #30 0x76dd9417 in LsaManageSidNameMapping () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll #31 0x76df1c27 in LookupAccountNameW () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll #32 0x76df1ec6 in LookupAccountSidW () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll #33 0x01029e1b in lookup_account_sid@28 () #34 0x0102a12d in [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.60 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT Reply-To freemail username ends in digit (arunas ruksnaitis ) 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:57:05 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) ---1132928367-4496698-1355394162=:15171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to confirm, this is a big problem for me, too.=0AMy observations confi= rm the original report.=0AStack trace, should it help, is here. I guess "lo= okup_account_sid" is passing an invalid=A0lpSid?=0A=0A#0 =A00x75c1511c in R= PCRT4!NdrProxyFreeBuffer () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll=0A#1 =A00x7= 6dcbb9e in UpdateTraceA () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll=0A#2 =A00x= 0087946c in ?? ()=0A#3 =A00x75c0e69d in RPCRT4!MesDecodeIncrementalHandleCr= eate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll=0A#4 =A00x0087946c in ?? ()=0A#= 5 =A00x75c11eda in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt= 4.dll=0A#6 =A00x0087946c in ?? ()=0A#7 =A00x75c06bf0 in RPCRT4!NdrOleAlloca= te () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll=0A#8 =A00x0087946c in ?? ()=0A#9 = =A00x75c125e1 in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.= dll=0A#10 0x76dcc0a6 in UpdateTraceA () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.d= ll=0A#11 0x0087946c in ?? ()=0A#12 0x75c12557 in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () = from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll=0A#13 0x0087998c in ?? ()=0A#14 0x75c12= 53b in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll=0A#15 = 0x0087998c in ?? ()=0A#16 0x75c0e713 in RPCRT4!MesDecodeIncrementalHandleCr= eate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll=0A#17 0x0087946c in ?? ()=0A#18= 0x75c06bf0 in RPCRT4!NdrOleAllocate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll= =0A#19 0x0087946c in ?? ()=0A#20 0x75c13c1a in RPCRT4!I_RpcParseSecurity ()= from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll=0A#21 0x76dcfa8e in LsaGetQuotasForAcc= ount () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll=0A#22 0x75c00db7 in UuidFromS= tringA () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll=0A#23 0x0087946c in ?? ()=0A#= 24 0x75ca0104 in ?? ()=0A#25 0x76dd963e in LsaICLookupSidsWithCreds () from= C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll=0A#26 0x76dcb9c8 in UpdateTraceA () from = C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll=0A#27 0x76dcfa6a in LsaGetQuotasForAccount= () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll=0A#28 0x76dd958c in LsaICLookupSi= dsWithCreds () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll=0A#29 0x0098c9a8 in ??= ()=0A#30 0x76dd9417 in LsaManageSidNameMapping () from C:\Windows\syswow64= \advapi32.dll=0A#31 0x76df1c27 in LookupAccountNameW () from C:\Windows\sys= wow64\advapi32.dll=0A#32 0x76df1ec6 in LookupAccountSidW () from C:\Windows= \syswow64\advapi32.dll=0A#33 0x01029e1b in lookup_account_sid@28 ()=0A#34 0= x0102a12d in get_name_and_id ()=0A#35 0x0102a2a4 in get_file_owner_and_grou= p ()=0A#36 0x0102c2c7 in stat ()=0A#37 0x0103be17 in Finsert_file_contents = ()=0A#38 0x0100ee96 in Ffuncall ()=0A#39 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code () ---1132928367-4496698-1355394162=:15171 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just = to confirm, this is a big problem for me, too.
My obse= rvations confirm the original report.
Stack trace, sho= uld it help, is here. I guess "lookup_account_sid" is passing an invalid lpSid?=

#0  0x75c1511c in RPCRT4!Nd= rProxyFreeBuffer () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#1  0x76dcbb9e in UpdateTraceA () fro= m C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll
#2  0x0087946c in ?? ()
#3  0x75c0e69d in RPCRT4!MesDecodeIncrementalHandleC= reate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#4  0x0087946c in ?? ()
#5  0x75c11eda in RpcErrorEndEnumeration (= ) from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#6  0x0087946c in ?? ()
#7  0x75c06bf0 in RPCRT4!NdrOleAllocate () from C= :\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#8  0x0087946c in ?? ()
#9  0x75c125e1 in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:\Windows\syswow= 64\rpcrt4.dll
#10 0x76d= cc0a6 in UpdateTraceA () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll
#11 0x0087946c in ?? ()
#12 0x75c12557 in RpcErrorEndEnume= ration () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#13 0x0087998c in ?? ()
#14 0x75c1253b in RpcErrorEndEnumeration () from C:= \Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#15 0x0087998c in ?? ()
#16 0x75c0e713 in RPCRT4!MesDecodeIncrementalHandleCreate () from C:= \Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#17 0x0087946c in ?? ()
#1= 8 0x75c06bf0 in RPCRT4!NdrOleAllocate () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dl= l
#19 0x0087946c in ?? = ()
#20 0x75c13c1a in RP= CRT4!I_RpcParseSecurity () from C:\Windows\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#21 0x76dcfa8e in LsaGetQuotasForAc= count () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll
#22 0x75c00db7 in UuidFromStringA () from C:\Window= s\syswow64\rpcrt4.dll
#= 23 0x0087946c in ?? ()
= #24 0x75ca0104 in ?? ()
#25 0x76dd963e in LsaICLookupSidsWithCreds () from C:\Windows\syswow64\adv= api32.dll
#26 0x76dcb9c= 8 in UpdateTraceA () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll
#27 0x76dcfa6a in LsaGetQuotasForAccount ()= from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll
#28 0x76dd958c in LsaICLookupSidsWithCreds () from C:\Windo= ws\syswow64\advapi32.dll
#31 0x76df1c= 27 in LookupAccountNameW () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll
#32 0x76df1ec6 in LookupAccountS= idW () from C:\Windows\syswow64\advapi32.dll
#33 0x01029e1b in lookup_account_sid@28 ()
#34 0x0102a12d in get_name_and_id ()
#35 0x0102a2a4 in g= et_file_owner_and_group ()
#36 0x0102c2c7 in stat ()
#37 0x0103be17 in Finsert_file_contents ()
#38 0x0100ee96 in Ffuncall ()
#39 0x0107139d in exec_byte_code ()
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---1132928367-4496698-1355394162=:15171-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arunas Ruksnaitis Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135542193928520 (code B ref 12621); Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2012 18:05:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41228 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjDAB-0007Px-GG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:05:39 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:44181) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjDA8-0007Po-T8 for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:05:38 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MEZ00600DM9AR00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:04:38 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MEZ006DNE7L6E60@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:04:33 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:04:32 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-id: <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:22:42 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis > > Just to confirm, this is a big problem for me, too. > My observations confirm the original report. > Stack trace, should it help, is here. I guess "lookup_account_sid" is passing an invalid lpSid? [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:22:42 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis > > Just to confirm, this is a big problem for me, too. > My observations confirm the original report. > Stack trace, should it help, is here. I guess "lookup_account_sid" is passing an invalid lpSid? [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4951] > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:22:42 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis >=20 > Just to confirm, this is a big problem for me, too. > My observations confirm the original report. > Stack trace, should it help, is here. I guess "lookup_account_sid" = is passing an invalid=A0lpSid? No, I don't think the Sid can be invalid, because it is validated jus= t before the call that crashes, by calling IsValidSid: if (what =3D=3D UID) result =3D get_security_descriptor_owner (psd, &sid, &dflt); else if (what =3D=3D GID) result =3D get_security_descriptor_group (psd, &sid, &dflt); else result =3D 0; if (!result || !is_valid_sid (sid)) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< use_dflt =3D 1; else if (!w32_cached_id (sid, id, nm)) { /* If FNAME is a UNC, we need to lookup account on the =09 specified machine. */ if (IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (fname[0]) && IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (fname[1]) =09 && fname[2] !=3D '\0') =09{ =09 const char *s; =09 char *p; =09 for (s =3D fname + 2, p =3D machine; =09 *s && !IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (*s); s++, p++) =09 *p =3D *s; =09 *p =3D '\0'; =09 mp =3D machine; =09} if (!lookup_account_sid (mp, sid, name, &name_len, =09=09=09 domain, &domain_len, &ignore) =09 || name_len > UNLEN+1) I actually suspect that the problem might be in the server name, the first argument to lookup_account_sid. If you can easily reproduce this under GDB, can you show what is the value of 'fname' and of 'machine' in the above snippet? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 Resent-From: Arunas Ruksnaitis Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> Reply-To: Arunas Ruksnaitis Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135542388032333 (code B ref 12621); Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2012 18:38:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjDfT-0008PR-DN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:38:00 -0500 Received: from nm25-vm1.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.109.202]:42769) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjDfQ-0008PD-DH for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:37:57 -0500 Received: from [77.238.189.54] by nm25.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 18:37:01 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.251] by tm7.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 18:37:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 18:37:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 425060.65534.bm@omp1016.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92975 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2012 18:30:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1355423420; bh=UX6eTD+XpdgwdLepXS2eSKlCoThqskRRuKs6tgOrJpA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6E15nQ/Cot+rG2nX3RCDhtfbcLAFxO+1rdozkBy6iuPxwPNY4Q1zZ1kMfQVYc7oxJszjxf7+K/fryVFLtp98RWY5drRsAiXnj07mJ0AiS7T6wiVVhguCDsvXqVJBifwj38vjlwld1UHX4VU0GEhgOuY0zWD5MJbLhABjJpJstq4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cGLyIvWYkhFwJGC0mcINNR3tcgiJXQZ3YsOcwuJbrjh6urHUsSR9BnooKvXiObw66BwWKJfLBFNw5Qc8MGJqIUY/sO7QIVbD8e3/VAjYPOw1LGwcUwU83UyI5Fji4WSS6FlKkYvrzC9dHW80Qhejpc5oLi4s2B3IIUwMX3jDHEU=; X-YMail-OSG: FRS0aWgVM1k4PDbch6hJn4wVtcWisxTLpknJbEUZ5UExIen OHEkSivjkP0rTadrUzqvt Received: from [195.200.76.252] by web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:30:20 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001, Q2FuIHJlcHJvZHVjZSBlYXNpbHkuIE5vIGpveSB3aXRoIHN5bWJvbCB2YWx1ZXM6CgoicHJpbnQgZm5hbWUiIG9yICJwcmludCBtYWNoaW5lOgooZ2RiKSBkb3duCgojMzQgMHgwMTAyYTEyZCBpbiBnZXRfbmFtZV9hbmRfaWQgKCkKKGdkYikgcHJpbnQgbWFjaGluZQpObyBzeW1ib2wgIm1hY2hpbmUiIGluIGN1cnJlbnQgY29udGV4dC4KKGdkYikgcHJpbnQgbXAKTm8gc3ltYm9sICJtcCIgaW4gY3VycmVudCBjb250ZXh0LgooZ2RiKSBwcmludCBmbmFtZQpObyBzeW1ib2wgImZuYW1lIiBpbiBjdXJyZW50IGMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.128.478 References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <1355423420.92828.YahooMailNeo@web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:30:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Arunas Ruksnaitis In-Reply-To: <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1670751155-509792425-1355423420=:92828" X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Can reproduce easily. No joy with symbol values: "print fname" or "print machine: (gdb) down #34 0x0102a12d in get_name_and_id () (gdb) print machine No symbol "machine" in current context. (gdb) print mp No symbol "mp" in current context. (gdb) print fname No symbol "fname" in current context. The "machine" part of UNC is actually not a machine but a DFS server. It does not have own shares but consolidates multiple fileservers in one view. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Can reproduce easily. No joy with symbol values: "print fname" or "print machine: (gdb) down #34 0x0102a12d in get_name_and_id () (gdb) print machine No symbol "machine" in current context. (gdb) print mp No symbol "mp" in current context. (gdb) print fname No symbol "fname" in current context. The "machine" part of UNC is actually not a machine but a DFS server. It does not have own shares but consolidates multiple fileservers in one view. [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.202 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.2 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT Reply-To freemail username ends in digit (arunas ruksnaitis ) 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid --1670751155-509792425-1355423420=:92828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can reproduce easily. No joy with symbol values:=0A=0A"print fname" or "pri= nt machine:=0A(gdb) down=0A=0A#34 0x0102a12d in get_name_and_id ()=0A(gdb) = print machine=0ANo symbol "machine" in current context.=0A(gdb) print mp=0A= No symbol "mp" in current context.=0A(gdb) print fname=0ANo symbol "fname" = in current context.=0A=A0=0AThe "machine" part of UNC is actually not a mac= hine but a DFS server. It does not have own shares but consolidates multipl= e fileservers in one view.=0A=0A-Arunas=0A=0A=0A___________________________= _____=0A From: Eli Zaretskii =0ATo: Arunas Ruksnaitis =0ACc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org =0ASent: Thursday, 13 December = 2012, 18:04=0ASubject: Re: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7=0A =0A> D= ate: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:22:42 +0000 (GMT)=0A> From: Arunas Ruksnaitis =0A> =0A> Just to confirm, this is a big problem for me, t= oo.=0A> My observations confirm the original report.=0A> Stack trace, shoul= d it help, is here. I guess "lookup_account_sid" is passing an invalid=A0lp= Sid?=0A=0ANo, I don't think the Sid can be invalid, because it is validated= just=0Abefore the call that crashes, by calling IsValidSid:=0A=0A=A0 if (w= hat =3D=3D UID)=0A=A0 =A0 result =3D get_security_descriptor_owner (psd, &s= id, &dflt);=0A=A0 else if (what =3D=3D GID)=0A=A0 =A0 result =3D get_securi= ty_descriptor_group (psd, &sid, &dflt);=0A=A0 else=0A=A0 =A0 result =3D 0;= =0A=0A=A0 if (!result || !is_valid_sid (sid))=A0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<= <=0A=A0 =A0 use_dflt =3D 1;=0A=A0 else if (!w32_cached_id (sid, id, nm))=0A= =A0 =A0 {=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 /* If FNAME is a UNC, we need to lookup account on = the=0A=A0=A0=A0 specified machine.=A0 */=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 if (IS_DIRECTORY_SE= P (fname[0]) && IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (fname[1])=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 && fname[2] != =3D '\0')=0A=A0=A0=A0 {=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 const char *s;=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 char= *p;=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 for (s =3D fname + 2, p =3D machine;=0A=A0=A0=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 *s && !IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (*s); s++, p++)=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 *p= =3D *s;=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 *p =3D '\0';=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 mp =3D machine;=0A=A0= =A0=A0 }=0A=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 if (!lookup_account_sid (mp, sid, name, &name_len= ,=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 domain, &domain_len, &ignore= )=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 || name_len > UNLEN+1)=0A=0AI actually suspect that the p= roblem might be in the server name, the=0Afirst argument to lookup_account_= sid.=A0 If you can easily reproduce=0Athis under GDB, can you show what is = the value of 'fname' and of=0A'machine' in the above snippet? --1670751155-509792425-1355423420=:92828 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= Can reproduce easily. No joy with symbol values:

"print fname" or "print machine:
(gdb) down
(gdb) print machine
No symbol "machine" in current context.
(gdb) print mp
No symbol "mp" in current context.
(gdb) print fname
No symbol "fname" in current context.
 
The "mac= hine" part of UNC is actually not a machine but a DFS server. It does not h= ave own shares but consolidates multiple fileservers in one view.

-Arunas
= From: Eli Zaretskii <e= liz@gnu.org>
To: Ar= unas Ruksnaitis <aris020@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org
Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2012, 18:04
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject: Re: bug#12621: Emacs = 24.1 crashing on Win7

> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10= :22:42 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Arunas Ruksnaitis <aris020@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Just to confirm, this is a bi= g problem for me, too.
> My observations confirm the original report.=
> Stack trace, should it help, is here. I guess "lookup_account_sid"= is passing an invalid lpSid?

No, I don't think the Sid can be = invalid, because it is validated just
before the call that crashes, by c= alling IsValidSid:

  if (what =3D=3D UID)
    resu= lt =3D get_security_descriptor_owner (psd, &sid, &dflt);
  = else if (what =3D=3D GID)
    result =3D get_security_descript= or_group (psd, &sid, &dflt);
  else
    result= =3D 0;

  if (!result || !is_valid_sid (sid))  <<<= ;<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<&l= t;<<<<<
    use_dflt =3D 1;
  else if (!w32_cached_id (sid, id, nm))
    {
      = /* If FNAME is a UNC, we need to lookup account on the
   = ; specified machine.  */
      if (IS_DIRECTORY_SEP= (fname[0]) && IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (fname[1])
    &n= bsp; && fname[2] !=3D '\0')
    {
  =     const char *s;
      char *p;

&= nbsp;     for (s =3D fname + 2, p =3D machine;
 &nbs= p;        *s && !IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (*s); s++, p= ++)
        *p =3D *s;
    &n= bsp; *p =3D '\0';
      mp =3D machine;
 &nb= sp;  }

      if (!lookup_account_sid (mp, sid, n= ame, &name_len,
          &n= bsp;       domain, &domain_len, &ignore)
      || name_len > UNLEN+1)
I actually suspect that the problem might be in the server name, the
fi= rst argument to lookup_account_sid.  If you can easily reproduce
th= is under GDB, can you show what is the value of 'fname' and of
'machine'= in the above snippet?


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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ...and yes, it does not crash if I provide the physical server instead of DFS. Takes ~30 sec to open the first file and DirEd still does not display the correct owner....but does not crash. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ...and yes, it does not crash if I provide the physical server instead of DFS. Takes ~30 sec to open the first file and DirEd still does not display the correct owner....but does not crash. (setf w32-get-true-file-attributes nil) does not help - opening a file takes ~30 sec -Arunas [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.225 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.2 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT Reply-To freemail username ends in digit (arunas ruksnaitis ) 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid --2017425371-1807118164-1355424070=:10437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...and yes, it does not crash if I provide the physical server instead of D= FS.=0ATakes ~30 sec to open the first file and DirEd still does not display= the correct owner....but does not crash.=0A(setf w32-get-true-file-attribu= tes nil) does not help - opening a file takes ~30 sec=0A=A0=0A-Arunas=0A=0A= =0A________________________________=0A From: Eli Zaretskii = =0ATo: Arunas Ruksnaitis =0ACc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org= =0ASent: Thursday, 13 December 2012, 18:04=0ASubject: Re: bug#12621: Emacs= 24.1 crashing on Win7=0A =0A> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:22:42 +0000 (GMT)= =0A> From: Arunas Ruksnaitis =0A> =0A> Just to confirm= , this is a big problem for me, too.=0A> My observations confirm the origin= al report.=0A> Stack trace, should it help, is here. I guess "lookup_accoun= t_sid" is passing an invalid=A0lpSid?=0A=0ANo, I don't think the Sid can be= invalid, because it is validated just=0Abefore the call that crashes, by c= alling IsValidSid:=0A=0A=A0 if (what =3D=3D UID)=0A=A0 =A0 result =3D get_s= ecurity_descriptor_owner (psd, &sid, &dflt);=0A=A0 else if (what =3D=3D GID= )=0A=A0 =A0 result =3D get_security_descriptor_group (psd, &sid, &dflt);=0A= =A0 else=0A=A0 =A0 result =3D 0;=0A=0A=A0 if (!result || !is_valid_sid (sid= ))=A0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<=0A=A0 =A0 use_dflt =3D 1;=0A=A0 else if (= !w32_cached_id (sid, id, nm))=0A=A0 =A0 {=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 /* If FNAME is a UN= C, we need to lookup account on the=0A=A0=A0=A0 specified machine.=A0 */= =0A=A0 =A0 =A0 if (IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (fname[0]) && IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (fname[1= ])=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 && fname[2] !=3D '\0')=0A=A0=A0=A0 {=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 con= st char *s;=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 char *p;=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 for (s =3D fname + = 2, p =3D machine;=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 *s && !IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (*s); s+= +, p++)=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 *p =3D *s;=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 *p =3D '\0';=0A=A0= =A0=A0 =A0 mp =3D machine;=0A=A0=A0=A0 }=0A=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 if (!lookup_accou= nt_sid (mp, sid, name, &name_len,=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 domain, &domain_len, &ignore)=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0 || name_len > UNLEN+1)= =0A=0AI actually suspect that the problem might be in the server name, the= =0Afirst argument to lookup_account_sid.=A0 If you can easily reproduce=0At= his under GDB, can you show what is the value of 'fname' and of=0A'machine'= in the above snippet? --2017425371-1807118164-1355424070=:10437 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...and yes= , it does not crash if I provide the physical server instead of DFS.=
Takes ~30 sec to open the first file and DirEd still does= not display the correct owner....but does not crash.
(set= f w32-get-true-file-attributes nil) does not help - opening a file takes ~3= 0 sec
 
-Arunas
From: Eli Zare= tskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Arunas Ruksnaitis <aris020@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org
Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2012, 1= 8:04
Subject: Re: bug#= 12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7

> Date: Thu, 1= 3 Dec 2012 10:22:42 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Arunas Ruksnaitis <aris= 020@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Just to confirm, this is a big pro= blem for me, too.
> My observations confirm the original report.
&= gt; Stack trace, should it help, is here. I guess "lookup_account_sid" is p= assing an invalid lpSid?

No, I don't think the Sid can be invalid, becau= se it is validated just
before the call that crashes, by calling IsValid= Sid:

  if (what =3D=3D UID)
    result =3D get_sec= urity_descriptor_owner (psd, &sid, &dflt);
  else if (what = =3D=3D GID)
    result =3D get_security_descriptor_group (psd,= &sid, &dflt);
  else
    result =3D 0;
  if (!result || !is_valid_sid (sid))  <<<<<<&= lt;<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<= <<
    use_dflt =3D 1;
  else if (!w32_cached_id= (sid, id, nm))
    {
      /* If FNAME is a= UNC, we need to lookup account on the
    specified mac= hine.  */
      if (IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (fname[0]) &= ;& IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (fname[1])
      && = fname[2] !=3D '\0')
    {
      const char= *s;
      char *p;

     = for (s =3D fname + 2, p =3D machine;
        &= nbsp; *s && !IS_DIRECTORY_SEP (*s); s++, p++)
   = ;     *p =3D *s;
      *p =3D '\0';
&nb= sp;     mp =3D machine;
    }

 = ;     if (!lookup_account_sid (mp, sid, name, &name_len,
&= nbsp;                = ; domain, &domain_len, &ignore)
      || na= me_len > UNLEN+1)

I actually suspect that the problem might be in= the server name, the
first argument to lookup_account_sid.  If you= can easily reproduce
this under GDB, can you show what is the value of = 'fname' and of
'machine' in the above snippet?


= =20
--2017425371-1807118164-1355424070=:10437-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arunas Ruksnaitis Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13554256433490 (code B ref 12621); Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2012 19:07:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41256 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjE7v-0000uF-5f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:07:23 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:58615) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjE7s-0000u3-5D for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:07:21 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MEZ00A00GYCD400@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:40 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MEZ00AM8H1E1O60@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:39 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:37 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <1355423420.92828.YahooMailNeo@web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83ehitojr2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355423420.92828.YahooMailNeo@web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:30:20 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis > Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Can reproduce easily. No joy with symbol values: > > "print fname" or "print machine: > (gdb) down > > #34 0x0102a12d in get_name_and_id () > (gdb) print machine > No symbol "machine" in current context. > (gdb) print mp > No symbol "mp" in current context. > (gdb) print fname > No symbol "fname" in current context. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:30:20 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis > Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Can reproduce easily. No joy with symbol values: > > "print fname" or "print machine: > (gdb) down > > #34 0x0102a12d in get_name_and_id () > (gdb) print machine > No symbol "machine" in current context. > (gdb) print mp > No symbol "mp" in current context. > (gdb) print fname > No symbol "fname" in current context. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.166 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4999] > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:30:20 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis > Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Can reproduce easily. No joy with symbol values: > > "print fname" or "print machine: > (gdb) down > > #34 0x0102a12d in get_name_and_id () > (gdb) print machine > No symbol "machine" in current context. > (gdb) print mp > No symbol "mp" in current context. > (gdb) print fname > No symbol "fname" in current context. Try higher frames. Did you compile Emacs yourself? Also, what version of GDB is that? > The "machine" part of UNC is actually not a machine but a DFS server. It does not have own shares but consolidates multiple fileservers in one view. Sorry, I lost you. What is a "DFS server", and how does it modify the meaning of a UNC? Can you show the full file name being referenced here? Thanks. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arunas Ruksnaitis Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13554258163841 (code B ref 12621); Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2012 19:10:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41260 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjEAi-0000zu-JV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:10:16 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:43946) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjEAg-0000zj-2S for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:10:14 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MEZ00F00H555400@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:08:43 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MEZ00EQ6H6IGIC0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:08:43 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:08:41 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83d2ydojly.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:41:10 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis > Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > ...and yes, it does not crash if I provide the physical server instead of DFS. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:41:10 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis > Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > ...and yes, it does not crash if I provide the physical server instead of DFS. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4416] > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:41:10 +0000 (GMT) > From: Arunas Ruksnaitis > Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org> > > ...and yes, it does not crash if I provide the physical server instead of DFS. Can you show a command that crashes and an equivalent command that doesn't? > (setf w32-get-true-file-attributes nil) does not help - opening a file takes ~30 sec That's because insert-file-contents binds it to t when it calls 'stat'. I'll see what I can do about that. Dired should be faster with w32-get-true-file-attributes, though. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: aris020@yahoo.co.uk Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13554261024328 (code B ref 12621); Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2012 19:15:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41264 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjEFK-00017V-5d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:15:02 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:45134) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjEFJ-000179-15 for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:15:01 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MEZ00F00HFD6H00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:14:06 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MEZ00F0GHFC6110@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:14:00 +0200 (IST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:13:59 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <83ehitojr2.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83bodxojd4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355423420.92828.YahooMailNeo@web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ehitojr2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:37 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > Sorry, I lost you. What is a "DFS server", and how does it modify the > meaning of a UNC? Can you show the full file name being referenced > here? > [...] > Can you show a command that crashes and an equivalent command that > doesn't? 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:37 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > Sorry, I lost you. What is a "DFS server", and how does it modify the > meaning of a UNC? Can you show the full file name being referenced > here? > [...] > Can you show a command that crashes and an equivalent command that > doesn't? [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4996] > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:37 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > Sorry, I lost you. What is a "DFS server", and how does it modify the > meaning of a UNC? Can you show the full file name being referenced > here? > [...] > Can you show a command that crashes and an equivalent command that > doesn't? Actually, scratch all that. I think we should simply always pass NULL as the first argument of LookupAccountSid. If you compiled Emacs by yourself, can you try such a modification there, and see if that helps? I'm interested to know not only whether the crashes go away when you use NULL, but also whether the file owner and group information is reported correctly. Thanks. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ar=C5=ABnas_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Ruk=C5=A1naitis?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135543300818038 (code B ref 12621); Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2012 21:10:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41318 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjG2h-0004gs-Q2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:10:08 -0500 Received: from nm11-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.244]:40155) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjG2f-0004gh-Tq for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:10:06 -0500 Received: from [217.12.10.88] by nm11.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 21:09:11 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.79] by tm18.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 21:09:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp148.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2012 21:09:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1355432951; bh=isq+30kmLQajgIo3Rkh4M/KMOMNel/GTYjUEPUiL+bU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=ihYVEzcoZOzUT9/m7GxNv45adv3sKC96+cLBJKTwxYtbsLg0U8OUtQh/cS57jgd1gcjJqlhREa/cMgo5hLLnl5PO0B6tE8lJ6UQ0N1xmb82KtAXzV+qwCT4BnE1RM70F8MJhvM6rFNb84TGFq/gouB61FH1HZ6e3cg9uWAq3Wis= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 162764.72791.bm@smtp148.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: heVfLhkVM1mD1z6WpYtIQzJmA_GzOFPsm1oFkqZVPCOlHVE FZZuiDd0BDwXUCtfGlCAHfrEirVKRlCIJrf_bxa3cRkztnmpLQ.7KOXuP5cK G_j0wfborEkij8vleXRA9PtMLEXRqVqpqdlUBZtHSCODZ5EtWXIl002jgsgz ldzoSaBf2Y9wHV2avdCPAGDsTElgjuEse6LQsvf8sBxkBt1qlHkNL1QxE0J7 Vfk5r3FXn3yjKQcbOZlXj0K44n9Kpw6umG1aDHPeM.GBkvsC1Qfev8vf3I_0 hxE9JKf_rc0ujcIBUz2b0.Sb1qcpouu1mB4C3FYKFrMuKYklHPbN3ZGTtMqp ej27czuyuCqpep9Z1e4.NkWu3XOmp.Kri1pYnixlOAI2bHPv9KnMSsPHPsfl 4sWwQh9jO9SZWM2FwOpGUhqPx1KHN0yAzxYU5TazmjHaIPpiUNHL6jTVW.GW sjwqCMCl8pnKZaT7RJ1K2BsgcrCLjYMBfKqpqmV3bHl9JS9i7w9i.Hj6R2Zm hMierzi7ljw.xYl64LRdlL1PAkDSb__SGTK4- X-Yahoo-SMTP: T97MFqmswBCM8dijCwEhHgxheaA- Received: from [192.168.251.11] (aris020@81.99.250.21 with plain) by smtp148.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2012 13:09:11 -0800 PST Message-ID: <50CA43F5.9000009@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:09:09 +0000 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ar=C5=ABnas_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Ruk=C5=A1naitis?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355423420.92828.YahooMailNeo@web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ehitojr2.fsf@gnu.org> <83bodxojd4.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83bodxojd4.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040506020802050702060104" X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes, I agree, lpSystemName should be always NULL. The w32-get-true-file-attributes variable should be taken into account. DFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft) No, I did not compile eMacs myself. I would be interested in compiling x64 version, but I hear it is not trivial. Can you dropbox me your version? Thanks for your help! On 13/12/12 19:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:37 +0200 >> From: Eli Zaretskii >> Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Sorry, I lost you. What is a "DFS server", and how does it modify the >> meaning of a UNC? Can you show the full file name being referenced >> here? >> [...] >> Can you show a command that crashes and an equivalent command that >> doesn't? > Actually, scratch all that. I think we should simply always pass NULL > as the first argument of LookupAccountSid. If you compiled Emacs by > yourself, can you try such a modification there, and see if that > helps? I'm interested to know not only whether the crashes go away > when you use NULL, but also whether the file owner and group > information is reported correctly. > > Thanks. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes, I agree, lpSystemName should be always NULL. The w32-get-true-file-attributes variable should be taken into account. DFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft) No, I did not compile eMacs myself. I would be interested in compiling x64 version, but I hear it is not trivial. Can you dropbox me your version? Thanks for your help! On 13/12/12 19:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:37 +0200 >> From: Eli Zaretskii >> Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Sorry, I lost you. What is a "DFS server", and how does it modify the >> meaning of a UNC? Can you show the full file name being referenced >> here? >> [...] >> Can you show a command that crashes and an equivalent command that >> doesn't? > Actually, scratch all that. I think we should simply always pass NULL > as the first argument of LookupAccountSid. If you compiled Emacs by > yourself, can you try such a modification there, and see if that > helps? I'm interested to know not only whether the crashes go away > when you use NULL, but also whether the file owner and group > information is reported correctly. > > Thanks. [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.146.183.244 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 SINGLE_HEADER_2K A single header contains 2K-3K characters 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040506020802050702060104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I agree, lpSystemName should be always NULL. The w32-get-true-file-attributes variable should be taken into account. DFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft) No, I did not compile eMacs myself. I would be interested in compiling x64 version, but I hear it is not trivial. Can you dropbox me your version? Thanks for your help! On 13/12/12 19:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:37 +0200 >> From: Eli Zaretskii >> Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Sorry, I lost you. What is a "DFS server", and how does it modify the >> meaning of a UNC? Can you show the full file name being referenced >> here? >> [...] >> Can you show a command that crashes and an equivalent command that >> doesn't? > Actually, scratch all that. I think we should simply always pass NULL > as the first argument of LookupAccountSid. If you compiled Emacs by > yourself, can you try such a modification there, and see if that > helps? I'm interested to know not only whether the crashes go away > when you use NULL, but also whether the file owner and group > information is reported correctly. > > Thanks. --------------040506020802050702060104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yes, I agree,  lpSystemName should be always NULL.
The w32-get-true-file-attributes variable should be taken into account.
DFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_File_System_(Microsoft)
No, I did not compile eMacs myself. I would be interested in compiling x64 version, but I hear it is not trivial. Can you dropbox me your version?
Thanks for your help!
On 13/12/12 19:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:05:37 +0200
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org

Sorry, I lost you.  What is a "DFS server", and how does it modify the
meaning of a UNC?  Can you show the full file name being referenced
here?
[...]
Can you show a command that crashes and an equivalent command that
doesn't?

Actually, scratch all that.  I think we should simply always pass NULL
as the first argument of LookupAccountSid.  If you compiled Emacs by
yourself, can you try such a modification there, and see if that
helps?  I'm interested to know not only whether the crashes go away
when you use NULL, but also whether the file owner and group
information is reported correctly.

Thanks.

--------------040506020802050702060104-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Ar=C5=ABnas_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Ruk=C5=A1naitis?= Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135547664512171 (code B ref 12621); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2012 09:17:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjROW-0003AG-Uo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:17:25 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:38609) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjROV-0003A6-2d for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:17:24 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MF000A00KA96S00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:09 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MF000A6RKEW0YB0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:08 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:09 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <50CA43F5.9000009@yahoo.co.uk> Message-id: <8338z9ngdi.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355423420.92828.YahooMailNeo@web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ehitojr2.fsf@gnu.org> <83bodxojd4.fsf@gnu.org> <50CA43F5.9000009@yahoo.co.uk> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:09:09 +0000 > From: =?UTF-8?Q?Ar=C5=ABnas_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Ruk=C5=A1naitis?= > CC: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > Yes, I agree, lpSystemName should be always NULL. OK, I made that change on the emacs-24 branch (revision 111035). There should be a new pretest of Emacs 24.3 out of that branch soon, and a precompiled Windows binary will follow. Watch the announcements on emacs-devel. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:09:09 +0000 > From: Ar=C5=ABnas Ruk=C5=A1naitis > CC: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org >=20 > Yes, I agree, lpSystemName should be always NULL. OK, I made that change on the emacs-24 branch (revision 111035). There should be a new pretest of Emacs 24.3 out of that branch soon, and a precompiled Windows binary will follow. Watch the announcement= s on emacs-devel. This change will be merged to the trunk soon, so the few people who provide snapshots of the trunk will probably soon upload a binary wit= h this change. When you do get hold of a new binary with the change, please run some tests with files on the DFS, and please report any findings. > The w32-get-true-file-attributes variable should be taken into acco= unt. I will try to improve things in this respect (on the trunk). > I would be interested in compiling x64 version, but I hear it is no= t > trivial. The x64 version can for now be built only with MSVC. MinGW64 is not yet supported. Volunteers are welcome. Thanks. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:09 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > > The w32-get-true-file-attributes variable should be taken into account. > > I will try to improve things in this respect (on the trunk). [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.166 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4998] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:09 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > > The w32-get-true-file-attributes variable should be taken into account. > > I will try to improve things in this respect (on the trunk). Now done in revision 111226 on the trunk. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Lose7 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arunas Ruksnaitis Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135549863719583 (code B ref 12621); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2012 15:23:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42705 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjX7F-00055o-CD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:23:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:39793) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjX7E-00055i-6P for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:23:56 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TjX6G-0000LG-Gy; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:22:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:22:56 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> (message from Arunas Ruksnaitis on Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:41:10 +0000 (GMT)) References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) Thanks for reporting the bug, but please don't refer to Windows as a "win". -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Lose7 Resent-From: Arunas Ruksnaitis Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "rms@gnu.org" Cc: "12621@debbugs.gnu.org" <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>, "eliz@gnu.org" Reply-To: Arunas Ruksnaitis Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13555099807280 (code B ref 12621); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2012 18:33:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tja4C-0001tN-AQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:33:00 -0500 Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.214]:40093) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tja4A-0001tG-Sb for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:32:59 -0500 Received: from [212.82.105.244] by nm17.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.116] by tm16.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2012 18:31:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 614300.5651.bm@omp1025.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93881 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2012 18:31:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1355509918; bh=k/HqbaZ1WqwaXymNMGD1jgQHNdB2oAf4JCOmJoKGmkw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=V0j99MqtN0a8etLDRmoFnXZ5eC6uuNHspIztNf8nCvlLaUklUPTSZdrI3A//lhZPeXFNEE+VJyBHBi/nMPik8gVdKvQPtiab7XMeVcqloaekZQhNbXhClYb42MJIFyXMO+rddvaD4sjo2OL2UgHr8+tjro3tSn98fWewugrP/cA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GQ0kJaoI8EoDVWYGr58xMINTAcWZA/C88a8YqPhgotWCUUe+idWIKPBV9hte6IiLcA7h8Of9p1SX3BDrygud3jCqscYVxSRTO26jc1K4ZgSz/zkS/vXcLJEJss8n4XlPTi6nM+n4NT7OyEQ2IzV2P3Ot9zoYb1fdS1Ep1L2PXCk=; X-YMail-OSG: O1mdZMMVM1nl_pq0zfrCbhrtrsVft7.ntaEtd5SFuMBOYrL MHZviid36E6Wi9izjbje92BnHzf1Ny_JqZSsPkb9GKFWqOHdnsrnVzBmL_tb Ow19mm3Ut7gxfXJHn9fBLUlCaYZmeIj8AlMKb3kFzwc_BnGKKyhhgGJ32Fqj RU2B6zv08yuVuTxel3tu32UsUKj2a1KMLLUgDVpc5dZ47L2bRcI_AH1EtY3Y QdMaQdxv874_cFf3pQN6475u7h3Fcci766Mdyn7yYsu4yC3.LUpeQznl2tvi .pvqQWOjpDhIDTX.BRp0K_cqikpPcibo4NuASugO3XQteS37JvN8DOXHFbl1 vczoKx6UA73oKfKpbLZFvgPzUekWHxtKX7DSPgQ98Tefy4Tc15FMtVtRHMEE 0J2Y4x3j91hJInaM6gWcN5YbYhj6Z9gxTAL3G_yW8kGe3ZUwcfJQ91K7hv39 QRp4zmHoEtM02Ya.UY2PZnZoz420dtXSNCfygphz_6tF0rB7tLdlm9sLujp1 z9IlrIIGmQ8TlHn11EA-- Received: from [195.200.76.252] by web171304.mail.ir2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:31:57 GMT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001, OinCoFdobyB3b3VsZCBiZSB1c2luZyBFbWFjcyBpZiB0aGV5IHRoaW5rIFdpbmRvd3Mgd2luPwrCoC1BcnVuYXMKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBSaWNoYXJkIFN0YWxsbWFuIDxybXNAZ251Lm9yZz4KVG86IEFydW5hcyBSdWtzbmFpdGlzIDxhcmlzMDIwQHlhaG9vLmNvLnVrPiAKQ2M6IGVsaXpAZ251Lm9yZzsgMTI2MjFAZGViYnVncy5nbnUub3JnIApTZW50OiBGcmlkYXksIDE0IERlY2VtYmVyIDIwMTIsIDE1OjIyClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBidWcjMTI2MjE6IEVtYWMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.128.478 References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355509917.93639.YahooMailNeo@web171304.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:31:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Arunas Ruksnaitis In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1470824145-1589520404-1355509917=:93639" X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: :) Who would be using Emacs if they think Windows win? -Arunas From: Richard Stallman To: Arunas Ruksnaitis Cc: eliz@gnu.org; Friday, 14 December 2012, 15:22 Subject: Re: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Lose7 [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.214 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.2 FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT Reply-To freemail username ends in digit (arunas ruksnaitis ) 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (aris020[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid ---1470824145-1589520404-1355509917=:93639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :)=A0Who would be using Emacs if they think Windows win?=0A=A0-Arunas=0A=0A= ________________________________=0A From: Richard Stallman =0A= To: Arunas Ruksnaitis =0ACc: eliz@gnu.org; 12621@debb= ugs.gnu.org =0ASent: Friday, 14 December 2012, 15:22=0ASubject: Re: bug#126= 21: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Lose7=0A =0AThanks for reporting the bug, but pl= ease don't refer to Windows as a=0A"win".=0A=0A-- =0ADr Richard Stallman=0A= President, Free Software Foundation=0A51 Franklin St=0ABoston MA 02110=0AUS= A=0Awww.fsf.org=A0 www.gnu.org=0ASkype: No way! 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 -Arunas
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To: Arunas R= uksnaitis <aris020@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org; 12621@debbugs.gnu.org
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Thanks for reporting the bug, but= please don't refer to Windows as a
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51 Franklin St
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USA
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---1470824145-1589520404-1355509917=:93639-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Andy Moreton Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 00:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13555319047122 (code B ref -1); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 00:39:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2012 00:38:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43066 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjflo-0001qp-Df for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:38:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43127) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjfll-0001qh-Td for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:38:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjfkm-00022j-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:37:21 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:43315) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjfkm-00022f-Fd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:37:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjfkl-0005vX-HE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:37:20 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjfkk-000221-Cs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:37:19 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:44542) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjfkk-00021v-6k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:37:18 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjfku-00019N-IG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:37:28 +0100 Received: from 82-69-64-228.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([82.69.64.228]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:37:28 +0100 Received: from andrewjmoreton by 82-69-64-228.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:37:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Andy Moreton Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:36:51 -0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82-69-64-228.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hj7igmeBcJl5teOR0whXeO20XcU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) On Fri 14 Dec 2012, Richard Stallman wrote: > Thanks for reporting the bug, but please don't refer to Windows as a > "win". This kind if puerile comment is decidedly unhelpful. You are very insistent on using the term GNU/Linux to describe distributions built on the Linux kernel. Please afford others the same courtesy, and describe their products correctly. AndyM From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andy Moreton Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135555946419606 (code B ref 12621); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2012 08:17:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjmwK-00056B-Ce for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 03:17:44 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:63995) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjmwH-000560-Br for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 03:17:42 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MF200E00BRYIL00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:16:10 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MF200EUJCAYIH20@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:16:10 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:16:14 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: Andy Moreton > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:36:51 -0100 > > You are very insistent on using the term GNU/Linux to describe > distributions built on the Linux kernel. Please afford others the same > courtesy, and describe their products correctly. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.169 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4996] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) > From: Andy Moreton > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:36:51 -0100 > > You are very insistent on using the term GNU/Linux to describe > distributions built on the Linux kernel. Please afford others the same > courtesy, and describe their products correctly. Well, "Win7" is not a correct description, it's a shorthand. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135560087724040 (code B ref 12621); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2012 19:47:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44371 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjxiG-0006Fg-PN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:47:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjxiC-0006FV-PE for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:47:53 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjxh8-0002zD-HL; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:46:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:46:46 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:16:14 +0200) References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) Well, "Win7" is not a correct description, it's a shorthand. We ask people to call the combined system GNU/Linux to show respect for our work. But nobody is forced to show us (or anyone else) respect. People who despise us are free to call the system by some nasty name, and even to deny us credit by calling it "Linux". I don't think a piece of proprietary software, with known spyware, DRM and back doors, deserves respect. Nonetheless, I usually call it "Windows". -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135560186725525 (code B ref 12621); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2012 20:04:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44383 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjxyB-0006db-Am for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:04:27 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:62529) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjxy6-0006dO-6Y for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:04:22 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MF300C008WJRG00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:03:11 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MF300CWK91B8BC0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:03:11 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:03:16 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83y5gzqe0r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:46:46 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > I don't think a piece of proprietary software, with known spyware, DRM > and back doors, deserves respect. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.166 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4999] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:46:46 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > I don't think a piece of proprietary software, with known spyware, DRM > and back doors, deserves respect. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.166 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4456] > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:46:46 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > > I don't think a piece of proprietary software, with known spyware, DRM > and back doors, deserves respect. Well, actually, it does, for several technical achievements that I can only dream of when I work on modern GNU/Linux systems. But I won't say a word more about that, because this is off-topic here. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135560415828825 (code B ref 12621); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2012 20:42:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44398 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjyZB-0007Ur-Jy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:42:38 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:32371) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjyZ9-0007Uj-3w for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:42:36 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBFKfSvW026925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:41:29 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBFKfRu0000833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:41:28 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBFKfQg1009115; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:41:26 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:41:27 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org><1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <83y5gzqe0r.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:41:19 -0800 Message-ID: <909C0D44C3864106A12B04D2F3410D44@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83y5gzqe0r.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3a/1RVGvazeDTOTCy+Kz9ZhIuZwAAA2kPw X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > > I don't think a piece of proprietary software, with known > > spyware, DRM and back doors, deserves respect. > > Well, actually, it does, for several technical achievements that I can > only dream of when I work on modern GNU/Linux systems. But I won't > say a word more about that, because this is off-topic here. Off-topic technically, perhaps, but not off-topic wrt the OP's feelings and intention indicated in the bug report. Aside from the question of whether MS deserves respect or whether MS Windows deserves some respect as software, there is the neglected point that the OP made in characterizing the anti-"win" campaign as "puerile". I think that raises a reasonable question, and one that perhaps is not completely independent of asking how effective such a campaign is or can be. I would agree with the OP that it smacks of childishness, even if that is not the intent. It also seems a bit old-hat/been-there-done-that at this point. It reminds me of those who still like to call users "lusers" or "losers". Kind of an infantile joke, and an old one. A joke you might have laughed at the first time you heard it back in 1968, but one you no longer find very funny. Quite the opposite - users deserve respect, even, or especially, when they are ignorant. Of course, poking fun at things that are evil or regressive can sometimes be effective and progressive, even sometimes when the poking fun is infantile. But it's a good question for GNU to (re)consider perhaps at this point: what's the point/effect of the anti-"win" campaign now? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135560441729214 (code B ref 12621); Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2012 20:46:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjydM-0007b9-UW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:46:57 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:60264) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjydK-0007b2-SH for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 15:46:55 -0500 Received: from c-76-22-66-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.22.66.162] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TjycG-0002FN-Lv; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:45:48 -0800 Message-ID: <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:45:46 -0800 From: Daniel Colascione User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6698A17A79D3F2684D7DE134" X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6698A17A79D3F2684D7DE134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/15/12 11:46 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > Well, "Win7" is not a correct description, it's a shorthand. >=20 > We ask people to call the combined system GNU/Linux to show respect > for our work. But nobody is forced to show us (or anyone else) > respect. People who despise us are free to call the system by some > nasty name, and even to deny us credit by calling it "Linux". >=20 > I don't think a piece of proprietary software, with known spyware, DRM > and back doors, deserves respect. Nonetheless, I usually call it > "Windows". There's expressing an opinion about an OS, and then there's slander. Yes, Windows has DRM, but so does practically everyone else. Windows contains no "spyware" or "back doors". There are many valid reasons to dislike Windows, but all you did was sling FUD. --------------enig6698A17A79D3F2684D7DE134 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlDM4XoACgkQ17c2LVA10VvIjQCg0KA5mYOgBMH7Nli3Mo6LqiCo quwAn0jvL6eVnA3oc+6aEEdmXxUz0t7Y =n2bK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6698A17A79D3F2684D7DE134-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13556930751999 (code B ref 12621); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:25:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2012 21:24:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45713 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkLhL-0000WB-3E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:24:35 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:55821) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkLhI-0000W3-Bz for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:24:33 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkLg8-0003kF-HE; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:23:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:23:20 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <83y5gzqe0r.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:03:16 +0200) References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <83y5gzqe0r.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) > I don't think a piece of proprietary software, with known spyware, DRM > and back doors, deserves respect. Well, actually, it does, for several technical achievements that I can only dream of when I work on modern GNU/Linux systems. I think the ethical nature of a program is more important than its technical advances; thus, while I might agree with your opinion of those technical achievements (and I'd be interested if you told me about them, off the list), I wouldn't grant respect to Windows or Microsoft on account of them. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Daniel Colascione Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13556930892023 (code B ref 12621); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:25:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2012 21:24:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45716 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkLhY-0000WZ-Cm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:24:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:55836) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkLhX-0000WT-9u for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:24:47 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkLgN-0003oH-1U; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:23:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:23:35 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:45:46 -0800) References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) You've made a false accusation when you call my criticisms of Windows "FUD". The references for these criticisms are in http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/digital-inclusion-in-freedom.html. You can't have had any evidence for your false accusation. You must have leaped to the conclusion. This bespeaks hostility towards me. You also try to excuse the DRM in Windows on the grounds that DRM is so common. That is bogus -- DRM is never excusable. DRM is an injustice to the user as well as an attack on free software. This bespeaks opposition to our goals. This is the second time you have attacked me on this list. Your technical contributions are useful, but they don't excuse your hostility. If you want to attack me, do it on gnu-misc-discuss or some non-GNU forum -- not here, on a GNU Project working list. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andy Moreton Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13556956045736 (code B ref 12621); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2012 22:06:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45741 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMM7-0001UT-SE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:06:44 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:54638) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMM6-0001UM-De for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:06:42 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAG6Zu09FxIps/2dsb2JhbABEtBGBCIIVAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0QARMxh2sFugmLIoUiA4hCmnGBWIMH X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="210038742" Received: from 69-196-138-108.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.138.108]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 16 Dec 2012 17:05:30 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1661959150; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:05:30 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:05:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (Andy Moreton's message of "Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:36:51 -0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) >> Thanks for reporting the bug, but please don't refer to Windows as a >> "win". > This kind if puerile comment is decidedly unhelpful. It's very far from puerile, it is on the contrary based on an understanding of the power of choosing your words. Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'Andy Moreton'" Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13556968607535 (code B ref 12621); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2012 22:27:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45748 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMgL-0001xR-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:27:39 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:31085) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMgJ-0001xK-Dq for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:27:36 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBGMQMiL004293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:26:23 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBGMQMPx001911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:26:22 GMT Received: from abhmt119.oracle.com (abhmt119.oracle.com [141.146.116.71]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBGMQLN1032303; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:26:22 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:21 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org><1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:11 -0800 Message-ID: <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3b2YY6AYgmDfqiQvGb2Q8iselc8QAACFRA X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > >> Thanks for reporting the bug, Should have stopped there, full stop. Thank you, Andy. > >> but please don't refer to Windows as a "win". > > > This kind if puerile comment is decidedly unhelpful. > > It's very far from puerile, it is on the contrary based on an > understanding of the power of choosing your words. Power of choosing your words, indeed. Please do not assume that you understand this better than Andy or anyone else, just because you religiously ban "win32" from your vocabulary. Mouthing "win32" is hardly "referring to [MS] Windows as a win." If Andy had in fact referred to MS Windows as "a win" then you might have an argument. He did not, and you do not. This "win32" thing is now nothing more than counting angels on pinheads. It makes as much sense as claiming that using the character `w' in an abbreviation is tantamount to pledging allegiance to Bill Gates. Or the devil. Burn the witch! Burn the `w' books! Words chosen well have power. Chosen unwisely they can backfire. Choose wisely. That, I think, was precisely Andy's point. It's mine, at least. The anti-"win" crusade is not effective, almost by design. And you should not, by now at least, be surprised at that. Choose wisely, especially if you are offering guidelines for political action and not just a catechism. Just one opinion. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'Andy Moreton'" Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13556974668506 (code B ref 12621); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2012 22:37:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45757 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMqA-0002D7-8u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:37:46 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:47171) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkMq8-0002D0-7j for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:37:45 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBGMaVLt009456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:36:32 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBGMaUQt019122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:36:31 GMT Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBGMaUZR005628; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:36:30 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:36:30 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org><1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:36:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3b2YY6AYgmDfqiQvGb2Q8iselc8QAACFRAAAEB/SA= X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > > >> Thanks for reporting the bug, > > Should have stopped there, full stop. Thank you, Andy. (Sorry, I meant Arvind, who reported the bug.) From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, Andy Moreton , Stefan Monnier Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135569918210953 (code B ref 12621); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2012 23:06:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45765 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkNHp-0002qb-SU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:06:22 -0500 Received: from mail-ea0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]:45494) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkNHn-0002qT-FZ for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:06:20 -0500 Received: by mail-ea0-f172.google.com with SMTP id a1so2329869eaa.3 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:05:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=8WEqnxmfHwd1NUCQq++jFEJIYXduvhNRHdH9pAApnHg=; b=KcZzJCfi5oR8Tplk1sCMcbLF7TuCTSnfrWB6VUOoEIpABMm5ckcIycSFKAiUIuzKY/ CWx+6B+BUROH95k/ccFNSsfwQqjQMyYnrhUMBsTCt9Kbic3ikZgpnVJLtEDcu91BNdyH FhVrx/5y7+vZcOuyTXe7HK6yi/3oIDo8d00dV0o+7tQFGzIQaEJfvRbmCLlIQMR6oLkz wO9WVggrRMl0gs0YJj96qeFAdtIyPGbCDWmibN5KzRWus1CrSM8vlgkD17YAPJgk5WKD ChLepcgZYANDHAer8h9AsuGeMoAEeh9o8frgFs7KVU+lRACmhdUFv9KcR/pZmcj9VZ+R +NyA== Received: by 10.14.225.72 with SMTP id y48mr35283104eep.46.1355699106801; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:05:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.4.209 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:04:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:04:26 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > Mouthing "win32" is hardly "referring to [MS] Windows as a win." [...] > > This "win32" thing is now nothing more than counting angels on pinheads. It > makes as much sense as claiming that using the character `w' in an abbreviation > is tantamount to pledging allegiance to Bill Gates. Or the devil. Burn the > witch! Burn the `w' books! Couldn't agree more. Juanma From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Stephen Berman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Andy Moreton' , 'Stefan Monnier' Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135570274216167 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 00:05:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkODF-0004Ch-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:05:42 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:53524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkODC-0004CZ-8Q for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:05:39 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.41]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MPb5D-1Tp51k2by5-004gE3 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:04:25 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Dec 2012 00:04:25 -0000 Received: from i59F57B78.versanet.de (EHLO rosalinde.fritz.box) [89.245.123.120] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 17 Dec 2012 01:04:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20778731 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX190gNcovLl0eAbOlX04KWNtV3j1D9mqPA1Vns8XVm BCUjSsV3JMcy99 From: Stephen Berman References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:04:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:11 -0800") Message-ID: <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:11 -0800 "Drew Adams" wrote: > Mouthing "win32" is hardly "referring to [MS] Windows as a win." [...] > This "win32" thing is now nothing more than counting angels on pinheads. It > makes as much sense as claiming that using the character `w' in an abbreviation > is tantamount to pledging allegiance to Bill Gates. Or the devil. Burn the > witch! Burn the `w' books! I think it's not entirely implausible to regard "win32" as implicitly conveying the positive connotations of "win". On the one hand, it's not the shortest abbrevation of (some variant of) "the 32 bit Microsoft Windows platform"; that would be "w32", which is fairly common, but AFAIK used at microsoft.com only with reference to externally named viruses and worms. The next shortest abbrevation "wi32" is quite rare, as is the next longer one "wind32" (judging by cursory websearches); both of these lack clearly positive English connotations in the context of software, and "wind32" might even be regarded as negative. On the other hand, suppose the Windows 32 API had been largely due to a person named Shitsuhara (which is the transliteration of a real Japanese surname) and in honor of this had been dubbed by Microsoft the "Shitsuhara Windows 32 API". Do you think anyone who did not want to show disrespect for Microsoft would use the abbrevation "shit32"? Steve Berman From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Bastien Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stephen Berman Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Andy Moreton' , Drew Adams Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135570351217252 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 00:18:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45831 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOPg-0004UD-Ar for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:18:32 -0500 Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com ([209.85.212.176]:33864) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOPe-0004U5-Ja for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:18:31 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hm6so1600546wib.15 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=duiaznOW/PDJWD//3Bo2KLz6Hp9ieXif/dS8LjE6+M0=; b=DCwRzpPmZjUr8CmsdtsPfvs2binJ/6VfY5cLM7yab5in89W7elNnZsr2I+VSxd4iJy JbBz8kmSvKr5LONyQNvZzlrnwe8e3ZxMfeXt8Y7qbCHD/devWM0/+pA3hBDl9lJwzHFH YBQ6YwwP93znj0qtdG336vc+FqZXZ14EypH5KM7oNK/7G4fcMMmaWmXcfL/hHz5zxO67 qIiq7lTlmfSmMwDV1Xwy02Dmn/zrhMw1s9HRgsh6l08HDS3M/vvc5vaxX36WWRvlf3mG g7fTkGeYG+FukdobCKfkXidi9dzd2JRefyCf2jCnkQsVbqw3rksWSnsRjaslJXb4jtH4 Kt7g== Received: by 10.194.20.231 with SMTP id q7mr13818837wje.44.1355703437818; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzg.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o3sm8919682wic.0.2012.12.16.16.17.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7F571C2089B; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:17:18 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien In-Reply-To: <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> (Stephen Berman's message of "Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:04:22 +0100") References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:17:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87zk1dmt0x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) People can't agree on chosing words by their connotations, because connotations are, by definition, what people cannot agree on. So let's stop looking at the finger and start looking at the moon? When someone suggests me what words I have to chose when I speak, I re-read 1984. Raising awareness on how marketing may affect our language is good, but we can do so without enforcing the use of other marketing words -- at least if we believe language is a means to an end, not an end in itself. 2 cts, -- Bastien From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stephen Berman Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, Andy Moreton , Drew Adams Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135570512419548 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 00:45:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOpf-00055D-Ly for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:45:24 -0500 Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com ([74.125.83.44]:49769) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOpd-000556-Hp for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:45:22 -0500 Received: by mail-ee0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b47so3206206eek.3 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:44:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=2NSza3y6zoDbBL5VjyCzxJPQ1OoN4SpE8kSbL5vDaxQ=; b=jLXp4uvmDNrAN1tT7uaVxyivZj3CfKVrIQU5IeOGcz1dZQqd1x2Hh9S2y73Kv596bQ 38gWsfP/nOWSEAmjMscRa11Hg6HEjzoOZUGqWNDO07uNCUhN3zD7ZK6BC7kUW5UVHeo/ dXcseri2bbr4H/uj5Em87X3Y45vSrP02RaCPlJFBXIZY6yCA/aFZ1jO0c7k8W1RtAuzp d1TVRu9H2PuEvAIzhpxtDemt7CQpBOYJtHpdJxP5CzuLSeQzWyx5zxoN7TQuofyO+mgh QFMpcE3MaQEHLUnnjCPicSEQ1KNGSlclUaDStkFuJv2lMHIyUllV9XLHRqefvwxBxSrC sp9A== Received: by 10.14.205.198 with SMTP id j46mr36389842eeo.27.1355705048831; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:44:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.4.209 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:43:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:43:28 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Stephen Berman wrote: > I think it's not entirely implausible to regard "win32" as implicitly > conveying the positive connotations of "win". It is not entirely implausible. But, it is real? I mean, someone reads a reference to Win32 or Win7 or WinXP in our docs, do they take it as "a form or praise", or just goes unregistered, the same way that "newspaper" is not usually reanalized by native speakers as news+paper? (I'm not saying they are not aware of news+paper, I'm suggesting that newspaper is lexicalized as a single word/concept and its constituent parts are not usually consciously anaylized on their own.) I'd bet that most native speakers, at least these who have ever heard of Windows and happen to read our docs or our list will take win32 and win7 and winxp just as lexicalized tags for Windows-related stuff and do not waste a second on its supposed "form of praise" meaning. As an aside: I often wonder how frequent is to use "X is a win" to praise something. I'm sure some (perhaps most?) native speakers will say that it is fairly common, and that it's a widely understood idiom, and I don't doubt it. But from my entirely subjective POV, I don't really encounter it that frequently; most uses of win I've read are of the form "it's a win-win", or "it's a win for X", which seem to fill an entirely different semantic function. On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > It's very far from puerile, it is on the contrary based on an > understanding of the power of choosing your words. The power of choosing your words is a two-edged sword. Also, please tell me that the repeated use of MS-DOG in the docs isn't puerile. J From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Bastien'" , "'Stephen Berman'" Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Andy Moreton' Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135570839524325 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 01:39:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45899 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkPgR-0006KI-9G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:39:55 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:26734) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkPgO-0006KA-Vw for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:39:53 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBH1cbRj007109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:38:37 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBH1ca9G023984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:38:36 GMT Received: from abhmt115.oracle.com (abhmt115.oracle.com [141.146.116.67]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBH1caa5030779; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:38:36 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:38:35 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org><1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com><560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com><874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <87zk1dmt0x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: <8E0578F33C2C43069A47F56BFB20A3EF@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87zk1dmt0x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3b6+IOKjqnRwzbTQigquIYOoUCiAAC0NCQ X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > People can't agree on chosing words by their connotations, > because connotations are, by definition, what people cannot > agree on. So let's stop looking at the finger and start > looking at the moon? Very well put. Regards, Drew From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Bastien'" , "'Stephen Berman'" Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Andy Moreton' Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135570867024717 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 01:44:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45903 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkPkr-0006Qb-TO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:44:30 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:34310) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkPkp-0006QT-9q for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:44:28 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBH1hAf4007238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:43:10 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBH1h9eg006018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:43:10 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBH1h9Tr013561; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:43:09 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:43:09 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org><1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com><560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com><874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box><87zk1dmt0x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8E0578F33C2C43069A47F56BFB20A3EF@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:42:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8E0578F33C2C43069A47F56BFB20A3EF@us.oracle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac3b6+IOKjqnRwzbTQigquIYOoUCiAAC0NCQAAAhWqA= X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > Very well put. Apologies. I meant to send that reply only to Bastien. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, Andy Moreton Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135570941825977 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 01:56:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45910 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkPwt-0006kp-9p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:56:57 -0500 Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com ([209.85.217.172]:34679) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkPwq-0006kd-Gq for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:56:54 -0500 Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id y2so5031575lbk.3 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:55:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=g7lzAW68Paoad5N43rHQpT8x1vJwRXBowau/5s4fJa8=; b=CavB5jTkNyodsAoxI7WnCIPu+rkC2gqXqTNPAQilVz8tlobqVlhxFkfWtScMQNnB0b iRV6ibIbWDK3UnI/HEscV+s9fNx0t3EsMs0hbbdUjy4u83TfM1qHNGV3wv2+Ra1CYmyW hYuF+mkHHajWHFyNItqNihtmSjYbx8HTFQgA/whVy9iw5KnnH9bB5Ach0xxv4+0+JwR4 ijsnPO0V6/neRDv1Gv0Slg7KBuUKvF0dfcU3IdlLIJs/gj8Q2aCvzXeZLwdt4cnAFyp8 kQDnS3pzt+cfPr4+mtw8gOePdIzvqsM4rqxDvR3jHBtI3uYnTj+08FRznnfTGI2GfoM9 uvmQ== Received: by 10.152.132.137 with SMTP id ou9mr9481396lab.7.1355709339029; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from SOL ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n7sm4281675lbz.5.2012.12.16.17.55.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitry Gutov References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:55:36 -0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:05:29 -0500") Message-ID: <87ip81xx0n.fsf@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: >>> Thanks for reporting the bug, but please don't refer to Windows as a >>> "win". >> This kind if puerile comment is decidedly unhelpful. > > It's very far from puerile, it is on the contrary based on an > understanding of the power of choosing your words. When you're also choosing words for other people to use, you better hope to have reasons that others won't find childish. For the record, I've never construed "win32" to have the meaning of "win" before I've seen this odd crusade. I'm a non-native speaker, though. --Dmitry From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Richard Stallman Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel Colascione , andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135570991326922 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 02:05:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45914 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQ4u-000709-A8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:05:13 -0500 Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]:53513) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQ4r-0006zy-Qy for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:05:11 -0500 Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id d3so5023989lah.3 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:03:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=z/IssTuPKsIGVZSjSrxvhI41+MsTbt3OqCZ3/qTo9Eo=; b=dLT1z262munQ3sR9EL0fd/JbbfDwQUTV2LmG5l74NFonxsYMJUkt9GCBHJy+5X+tNM AkHu6WIO4OcWTA8EG/gxHNWFIyG5x0rGXQMthM/+Qt+dxlCf/9T14TF7MUhigemUEZzl wFlO2Q/qA9aQaIhocKkECeFGBVyx+J+10nEi87dG7mabdyxvi+YswAWsrIhupbTAcdY9 CGzWq/RvjAgzeFLi6Q9VwNMFg6W84NMh5PzVkHxDVtwGbNbEc27z+Hzb2NCmX1w4Siep DZOPraqYwCcm6cbSMfTcrzm5gV0aF5EPRBzj7Aan6DP6rp9XX4JmyB1Svgpn4Ze9zhDP UpxQ== Received: by 10.112.25.100 with SMTP id b4mr5000663lbg.37.1355709835395; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from SOL ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hc20sm2013538lab.11.2012.12.16.18.03.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitry Gutov References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:03:56 -0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:23:35 -0500") Message-ID: <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Hello Mr. Stallman, Richard Stallman writes: > You've made a false accusation when you call my criticisms of Windows > "FUD". The references for these criticisms are in > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/digital-inclusion-in-freedom.html. > > You can't have had any evidence for your false accusation. You must > have leaped to the conclusion. This bespeaks hostility towards me. I think the burden of proof is on you here. You said that Windows contains spyware, DRM and backdoors, and only presented an article that discusses the DRM. Even if you consider DRM a form of spyware (which is debatable), you original phrasing implies that Windows contains some other kinds of spyware and backdoors, too. > You also try to excuse the DRM in Windows on the grounds that DRM is > so common. That is bogus -- DRM is never excusable. DRM is an > injustice to the user as well as an attack on free software. > This bespeaks opposition to our goals. > > This is the second time you have attacked me on this list. Your > technical contributions are useful, but they don't excuse your > hostility. If you want to attack me, do it on gnu-misc-discuss or > some non-GNU forum -- not here, on a GNU Project working list. --Dmitry From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stephen Berman Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Andy Moreton' , Drew Adams Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135571040527708 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 02:13:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45920 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQCq-0007Cr-Vs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:13:25 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:36453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQCo-0007Cj-KH for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:13:23 -0500 Received: from c-76-22-66-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.22.66.162] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQBb-0004nk-Ij; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:12:07 -0800 Message-ID: <50CE7F6F.4000605@dancol.org> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:11:59 -0800 From: Daniel Colascione User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> In-Reply-To: <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig700017ADCA8BEE028183EF85" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig700017ADCA8BEE028183EF85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/16/2012 4:04 PM, Stephen Berman wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:11 -0800 "Drew Adams" = wrote: >=20 >> Mouthing "win32" is hardly "referring to [MS] Windows as a win." > [...] >> This "win32" thing is now nothing more than counting angels on pinhead= s. It >> makes as much sense as claiming that using the character `w' in an abb= reviation >> is tantamount to pledging allegiance to Bill Gates. Or the devil. Bu= rn the >> witch! Burn the `w' books! >=20 > I think it's not entirely implausible to regard "win32" as implicitly > conveying the positive connotations of "win". On the one hand, it's no= t > the shortest abbrevation of (some variant of) "the 32 bit Microsoft > Windows platform"; that would be "w32", which is fairly common, but > AFAIK used at microsoft.com only with reference to externally named > viruses and worms. The next shortest abbrevation "wi32" is quite rare,= > as is the next longer one "wind32" (judging by cursory websearches); We can explain the dominance of "win32" phonetically, without reference t= o semantics. First, say "w32" out loud. Note that it's pronounced "dub-a-yo= u thirty-two". Can we agree that it's a cumbersome word? Now try "wi32" and= "wind32" --- you'll notice that both involve moving the tongue from the p= alette to the teeth in order to begin the "thir" in "thirty". They're easier to pronounce than "w32", but still pretty unpleasant. Now try "win32". The word is a joy to speak: at the end of the "n", the t= ongue is in exactly the right position to begin pronouncing "thir". "Win32" jus= t flows naturally. I'm not surprised that "win32" is the dominant term. "Win64" i= s just as easily to say. (Also, note that you have to specifically enunciate to distinguish "wind3= 2" from "win32": the latter seems to happen by default.) --------------enig700017ADCA8BEE028183EF85 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (Cygwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDOf3EACgkQ17c2LVA10VtupACgpr/j/9mar78dQuyH7VMh7/Fr AqwAn0mC1pyumHtY/Cw4AbYhd6hzeR5K =rxwn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig700017ADCA8BEE028183EF85-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dmitry Gutov Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, Richard Stallman Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135571087428407 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 02:21:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQKP-0007O8-RA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:21:14 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:36494) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQKM-0007Nz-Ii for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:21:11 -0500 Received: from c-76-22-66-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.22.66.162] helo=[0.0.0.0]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQJ8-0004oo-4k; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:19:54 -0800 Message-ID: <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:19:45 -0800 From: Daniel Colascione User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA6445498E75ACD3B0EF22325" X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA6445498E75ACD3B0EF22325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/16/2012 6:03 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Hello Mr. Stallman, >=20 > Richard Stallman writes: >> You've made a false accusation when you call my criticisms of Windows >> "FUD". The references for these criticisms are in >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/digital-inclusion-in-freedom.html. >> >> You can't have had any evidence for your false accusation. You must >> have leaped to the conclusion. This bespeaks hostility towards me. >=20 > I think the burden of proof is on you here. You said that Windows > contains spyware, DRM and backdoors, and only presented an article that= > discusses the DRM. To be fair, the "backdoor" to which RMS refers involves an incident in wh= ich Windows Update updated itself even when users had specifically turned off= updates from the OS configuration facility for such things. I don't mean = to speak for RMS, but I believe he's suggesting that Windows still has these= latent capabilities. Nobody can prove otherwise. The "spyware" claim refers to Windows Update sending a list of installed programs along with its "do you have an update for me?" chat with the upd= ate server. That said, Chrome also transmits usage statistics and (in its default configuration) updates itself silently. rms, I don't see how you can clai= m Windows contains "backdoors" and "spyware" without similarly accusing Chr= ome. Many other programs do the same thing. I prefer to live in a world where the vast majority of programs I use are= not morally reprehensible. [1] http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=3Den&answer=3D96817= [2] http://www.esecurityplanet.com/browser-security/google-silently-updates-c= hrome-as-mozilla-preps-.html --------------enigA6445498E75ACD3B0EF22325 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (Cygwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDOgUQACgkQ17c2LVA10VuCDQCg5YKHkfgil1jHkaHvsfe2Fdip YGIAnipOMovMg9FPrWUgtOaKv7Nvc0DO =Qwlw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA6445498E75ACD3B0EF22325-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Daniel Colascione Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, Richard Stallman Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135571148729437 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 02:31:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQUI-0007ej-EY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:31:27 -0500 Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com ([209.85.217.172]:45767) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkQUF-0007eY-OG for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:31:25 -0500 Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id y2so5048702lbk.3 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:30:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uuJn1BzV8I+A9Wv42983154mDQyP/xJ3kGb2L1OQsag=; b=m7etL1FXzP6bC/bKUsDo3OSwYfRw6xYI4zq+jqe0lzwG+10My/amr0qGCtbcoEMBx1 95dW520FvtklLJzo7Xr9PaGndXCwW3sCHu7j+r44uXN/7yS40osO03u5Wqd61vMI1mFT TmTQwDI3GwPFqYo4CJF/a+a0ZUT1xrTFpKBG2t7+iIpXYMAnNu9QTlGmy/2+ArfI8/0l fhwExkptpkbVCxO8HFN0urHrxTAhuWbGeJmA6Ll8Q0YMNBhMWIHHcF+iP0sryduPQsup vc2UCHi/4ihdiPTgad5gCKaYTeL4g8EJ6Y3LjQPu9o7aKwJ8BrDGixX78b6r3/tANmnC gDFA== Received: by 10.152.125.7 with SMTP id mm7mr9498057lab.2.1355711410330; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jk8sm4255613lab.7.2012.12.16.18.30.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:30:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50CE83B2.1010402@yandex.ru> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:30:10 +0400 From: Dmitry Gutov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> In-Reply-To: <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) On 17.12.2012 6:19, Daniel Colascione wrote: > On 12/16/2012 6:03 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> Hello Mr. Stallman, >> >> Richard Stallman writes: >>> You've made a false accusation when you call my criticisms of Windows >>> "FUD". The references for these criticisms are in >>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/digital-inclusion-in-freedom.html. >>> >>> You can't have had any evidence for your false accusation. You must >>> have leaped to the conclusion. This bespeaks hostility towards me. >> >> I think the burden of proof is on you here. You said that Windows >> contains spyware, DRM and backdoors, and only presented an article that >> discusses the DRM. > > To be fair, the "backdoor" to which RMS refers involves an incident in which > Windows Update updated itself even when users had specifically turned off > updates from the OS configuration facility for such things. I don't mean to > speak for RMS, but I believe he's suggesting that Windows still has these latent > capabilities. Nobody can prove otherwise. > > The "spyware" claim refers to Windows Update sending a list of installed > programs along with its "do you have an update for me?" chat with the update server. I see, thanks for the explanation. > That said, Chrome also transmits usage statistics and (in its default > configuration) updates itself silently. rms, I don't see how you can claim > Windows contains "backdoors" and "spyware" without similarly accusing Chrome. > Many other programs do the same thing. > > I prefer to live in a world where the vast majority of programs I use are not > morally reprehensible. > > [1] http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=96817 > [2] > http://www.esecurityplanet.com/browser-security/google-silently-updates-chrome-as-mozilla-preps-.html > --Dmitry From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Daniel Colascione Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13557880471899 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 23:47:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkP7-0000UY-9i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:47:25 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:54160) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkP4-0000UL-IP for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:47:23 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkNo-0002Hj-JF; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:04 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:19:45 -0800) References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83obhvn31t.fsf@gnu.org> <50CCE17A.3040402@dancol.org> <87ehipxwmr.fsf@yandex.ru> <50CE8141.10205@dancol.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) That said, Chrome also transmits usage statistics and (in its default configuration) updates itself silently. rms, I don't see how you can claim Windows contains "backdoors" and "spyware" without similarly accusing Chrome. I do talk about this malicious functionality of Chrome sometimes in my speeches. I did not bring it up here because the topic was Windows. I prefer to live in a world where the vast majority of programs I use are not morally reprehensible. Me too, and that's part of what we are fighting for. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: bzg@altern.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13557880511912 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 23:47:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47744 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkP8-0000Ub-OD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:47:30 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:54167) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkP5-0000UN-H0 for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:47:24 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkNn-0002Hd-G6; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:03 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <8E0578F33C2C43069A47F56BFB20A3EF@us.oracle.com> (drew.adams@oracle.com) References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com><83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org><1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com><560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com><874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <87zk1dmt0x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8E0578F33C2C43069A47F56BFB20A3EF@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) A connotation is a meaning commonly associated with a word, other than its surface meaning (the "denotation"). This is different from a personal association, which exists in the mind of one person but perhaps no one else. Some people may be unaware of a connotation, but (to qualify for that term) it must be well enough known so as to be objectively part of the language as it is used. Hackers at MIT used to use "win" frequently to express praise. It may not be used so much nowadays, but it is used sometimes. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:48:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stephen Berman Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13557880561929 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:48:03 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 23:47:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47747 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkPH-0000V3-Su for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:47:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:54177) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkPA-0000Uk-Rf for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:47:33 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkkNm-0002HV-AM; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:02 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> (message from Stephen Berman on Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:04:22 +0100) References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Do you think anyone who did not want to show disrespect for Microsoft would use the abbrevation "shit32"? Don't forget the Stevens Hoboken Institute of Technology, which people somehow don't reduce to an acronym. And there was the String Handling Interpretive Translator, which was generally referred to as "String". -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. 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[81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w5sm15127643wif.11.2012.12.18.01.55.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F6471C2077B; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:55:26 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:46:03 -0500") Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:35:54 +0100 References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <87zk1dmt0x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8E0578F33C2C43069A47F56BFB20A3EF@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Message-ID: <87pq271y7l.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Richard Stallman writes: > A connotation is a meaning commonly associated with a > word, other than its surface meaning (the "denotation"). > This is different from a personal association, > which exists in the mind of one person but perhaps > no one else. I don't think this is that simple. If you want to learn about linguistics (and the specific problem of connotation/denotation), I suggest this good read: "Languages of Art", by Nelson Goodman. Fighting for a cause requires some "pragmatic dogmatism", but if it is not balanced by intellectual openness, then intellectual dogmatism can impair the whole cause. I doubt it is worth trying to ground the choice of "w32" over "win32" on some flawed linguistic theory; "pragmatic dogmatism" can do its job well enough here. -- Bastien From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Bastien Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135585553228688 (code B ref 12621); Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2012 18:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49452 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tl1xb-0007Sf-Pz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:32:12 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:47106) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tl1xa-0007SY-4f for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:32:10 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tl1wF-0001hk-3H; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:30:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:30:47 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman In-reply-to: <87pq271y7l.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (message from Bastien on Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:35:54 +0100) References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <87zk1dmt0x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8E0578F33C2C43069A47F56BFB20A3EF@us.oracle.com> <87pq271y7l.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) I doubt it is worth trying to ground the choice of "w32" over "win32" on some flawed linguistic theory; This is not a theory, it is a personal observation. If you don't see the point in avoiding the term "win", please just leave it to me. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Resent-From: Bastien Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, andrewjmoreton@gmail.com Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.13558565791447 (code B ref 12621); Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2012 18:49:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49477 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tl2EV-0000NI-Fs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:49:39 -0500 Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]:40353) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tl2ES-0000N8-IC for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:49:37 -0500 Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id dr12so458935wgb.11 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:48:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=QGOC1BR7ug1ZL9m1IQFK9ApWeEmW7NE4dLuxLrpRB9M=; b=Hzb7/J6AlIiPtcq/dTuPDNaA55RGtcTb+NIcKIrv5FqT6Yb2/WOPq9vI7gPvFS1Qp1 LvWpQ61oGeN80mLhXrtqmanhWh7ug7qfiEKs7xplief4IK6WVavNaJowAiMk2R7mqDYu vMCiWQK28kXWIFLYEFYcxh2waD6j/INzeEz/FnaY3V7iap4JifYBBycu3Jjlv/aMjNhv V2KsTP2eY7f5WOYrbDXTq2mmA3ThIwQbf3uDX0y3Sn3Gsjqq3nRH629tDDY8Dxdn1qrw 72lbn+McODvgQ4JB82aXi2r8NPXS7oBb347h4oynW1aZQ687klWcp4h7Q7GaMS8yPopS FTxA== X-Received: by 10.180.81.39 with SMTP id w7mr6329535wix.15.1355856490275; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzg.localdomain (62-193-54-78.stella-net.net. [62.193.54.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l5sm3942135wia.10.2012.12.18.10.48.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 223C01C2074A; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:48:09 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:30:47 -0500") References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> <87zk1dmt0x.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <8E0578F33C2C43069A47F56BFB20A3EF@us.oracle.com> <87pq271y7l.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:48:09 +0100 Message-ID: <87txrjb3iu.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Richard Stallman writes: > This is not a theory, it is a personal observation. The way you expressed it suggested otherwise. > If you don't see the point in avoiding the term "win", > please just leave it to me. I see this point. My point was: there is no point in justifying those kinds of decisions with observations on what is a "connotation", what is a "meaning", etc. because such observations just call for more arguments. I hope you get this point :) -- Bastien From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.136130010612422 (code B ref 12621); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 18:55:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37357 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7sLJ-0003EI-SW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:55:06 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:57659) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7sLH-0003EA-MF for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:55:04 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U7sKC-0003xP-3t; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:53:56 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355423420.92828.YahooMailNeo@web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ehitojr2.fsf@gnu.org> <83bodxojd4.fsf@gnu.org> <50CA43F5.9000009@yahoo.co.uk> <8338z9ngdi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: NWO top secret strategic cryptanalysis InfoSec counter X-Ran: K9.sb5>?ii{h.BE^T`"4];zKz%|gz@"2v8H]s#RTbDGk6c-lh{O8S3gRA,%,&Qd5D_l72F X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:53:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8338z9ngdi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:09 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > OK, I made that change on the emacs-24 branch (revision 111035). > There should be a new pretest of Emacs 24.3 out of that branch soon, > and a precompiled Windows binary will follow. Watch the announcements > on emacs-devel. > > This change will be merged to the trunk soon, so the few people who > provide snapshots of the trunk will probably soon upload a binary with > this change. > > When you do get hold of a new binary with the change, please run some > tests with files on the DFS, and please report any findings. There have been no further on-topic comments AFAICS after this. (http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12621#62) (Unfortunately the bug was taken over by unrelated discussion.) Maybe this issue is also fixed, and can be closed? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:08 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Arvind Devarajan Subject: bug#12621: closed (Re: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7) Message-ID: References: <8338wsow79.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 12621 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs,w32 Reply-To: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:02:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1361307722-27433-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1361307722-27433-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #12621: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are access= ed which was filed against the emacs,w32 package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 12621@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 12621: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D12621 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1361307722-27433-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 12621-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 21:02:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37441 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7uK7-00078H-Qi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:02:00 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:33674) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7uK4-000788-IV for 12621-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:01:59 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIH00700JNFGG00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12621-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:00:31 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIH00706JOVGM00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:00:31 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:00:42 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Win7 In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Glenn Morris Message-id: <8338wsow79.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355423420.92828.YahooMailNeo@web171302.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ehitojr2.fsf@gnu.org> <83bodxojd4.fsf@gnu.org> <50CA43F5.9000009@yahoo.co.uk> <8338z9ngdi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:53:56 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > OK, I made that change on the emacs-24 branch (revision 111035). > > There should be a new pretest of Emacs 24.3 out of that branch soon, > > and a precompiled Windows binary will follow. Watch the announcements > > on emacs-devel. > > > > This change will be merged to the trunk soon, so the few people who > > provide snapshots of the trunk will probably soon upload a binary with > > this change. > > > > When you do get hold of a new binary with the change, please run some > > tests with files on the DFS, and please report any findings. > > There have been no further on-topic comments AFAICS after this. > (http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12621#62) > (Unfortunately the bug was taken over by unrelated discussion.) > > Maybe this issue is also fixed, and can be closed? [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4560] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12621-done Cc: 12621-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:53:56 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > OK, I made that change on the emacs-24 branch (revision 111035). > > There should be a new pretest of Emacs 24.3 out of that branch soon, > > and a precompiled Windows binary will follow. Watch the announcements > > on emacs-devel. > > > > This change will be merged to the trunk soon, so the few people who > > provide snapshots of the trunk will probably soon upload a binary with > > this change. > > > > When you do get hold of a new binary with the change, please run some > > tests with files on the DFS, and please report any findings. > > There have been no further on-topic comments AFAICS after this. > (http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=12621#62) > (Unfortunately the bug was taken over by unrelated discussion.) > > Maybe this issue is also fixed, and can be closed? Closing. ------------=_1361307722-27433-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2012 03:48:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38475 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9kc-0005kV-W7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:48:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51137) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9Wv-0005Qe-Ia for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:33:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W8-0001z5-DI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:33:02 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB,RCVD_IN_XBL, RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:33170) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W8-0001z1-AA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:33:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52625) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W6-00014h-Ee for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:33:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W5-0001yj-3j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:32:58 -0400 Received: from col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.26]:12970) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TM9W4-0001yd-R7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:32:57 -0400 Received: from COL401-EAS402 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:32:55 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [112.79.40.95] X-EIP: [bEQB7N5gMpcjbrB5pQ3nzI5CpSQV7QDk] X-Originating-Email: [arvind.devarajan@outlook.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Arvind Devarajan Subject: Win32 (Ver:24.2); Crashes when files from shared folders are accessed Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:02:54 +0530 To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_E26879B0-338A-2FD7-A90C-8F99325CF334_" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2012 03:32:55.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[19EC8650:01CDA761] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:47:57 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) --_E26879B0-338A-2FD7-A90C-8F99325CF334_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" {Precondition} PC-Local: The PC in which emacs is running. PC-Remote: The PC in which a file is created in a folder, that is shared. PC-Local has a shortcut/mapping to the shared folder in PC-Remote. It can hence access the file in PC-Remote via this shortcut/mapped drive. =20 {Action} Start Emacs in PC-Local, and open the file in PC-Remote (either by C-x f or just drag-and-drop) =20 {Observation} Emacs crashes. =20 {Expected} No such crash, and the file is editable/readable depending on the permissions on the file. =20 {Emacs details} In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-08-29 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' =20 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t =20 Major mode: Org =20 Minor modes in effect: auto-insert-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t =20 Recent input: M-x r e p o r t - =20 Recent messages: `epa-file' already enabled Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/custom.el (source)... Loading delsel...done Loading paren...done Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/custom.el (source)...done Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/extensions/org-outlook.el (source)...done Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/init.el (source)...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. OVERVIEW CONTENTS...done =20 Load-path shadows: None found. =20 Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils org-wl org-w3m org-vm org-rmail org-mhe org-mew org-irc org-jsinfo org-infojs org-html org-exp ob-exp org-exp-blocks find-func org-agenda org-info org-gnus org-docview org-bibtex bibtex org-bbdb org-outlook org-protocol org byte-opt warnings bytecomp byte-compile cconv macroexp advice help-fns advice-preload ob-emacs-lisp ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table org-footnote org-src ob-comint ob-keys ob ob-eval org-pcomplete pcomplete comint ansi-color ring org-list org-faces org-compat org-entities org-macs noutline outline easy-mmode format-spec regexp-opt cal-menu easymenu calendar cal-loaddefs autoinsert org-install server paren delsel cus-start cus-load aes epa-file epa derived epg epg-config cl time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs) = --_E26879B0-338A-2FD7-A90C-8F99325CF334_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252"
{Precondition}
PC-Local: The PC in which emacs= is running.
PC-Remote: The PC in which a file is created in a folder, t= hat is shared.
PC-Local has a shortcut/mapping to the shared folder in P= C-Remote. It
can hence access the file in PC-Remote via this shortcut/ma= pped drive.

{Action}
Start Emacs in PC-Local, and open the file = in PC-Remote (either by C-x f
or just drag-and-drop)

{Observatio= n}
Emacs crashes.

{Expected}
No such crash, and the file is e= ditable/readable depending on the
permissions on the file.

{Emac= s details}
In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2012-08-29 = on MARVIN
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.26= 00
Configured using:
`configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags
-ID:/dev= el/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/sr= c
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/l= ibs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/includ= e
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-= 3.8.2-1/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include'

Impo= rtant settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLL= ATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES:= nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: n= il
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: ENU
 = value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: cp1252
 = default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Org

Min= or modes in effect:
  auto-insert-mode: t
  show-paren-mode= : t
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-= bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  bli= nk-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encrypt= ion-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  column-number-mode= : t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

= Recent input:
M-x r e p o r t - <tab> <return>

Recen= t messages:
`epa-file' already enabled
Loading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.= d/custom.el (source)...
Loading delsel...done
Loading paren...doneLoading d:/vbox/shared/.emacs.d/custom.el (source)...done
Loading d:/vb= ox/shared/.emacs.d/extensions/org-outlook.el (source)...done
Loading d:/= vbox/shared/.emacs.d/init.el (source)...done
For information about GNU E= macs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
OVERVIEW
CONTENTS...done
<= br>Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow sort gnus= -util mail-extr emacsbug message rfc822 mml mml-sec
mm-decode mm-bodies = mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils
mailheader sendmail rf= c2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr
mail-utils org-wl org-w3m or= g-vm org-rmail org-mhe org-mew org-irc
org-jsinfo org-infojs org-html or= g-exp ob-exp org-exp-blocks find-func
org-agenda org-info org-gnus org-d= ocview org-bibtex bibtex org-bbdb
org-outlook org-protocol org byte-opt = warnings bytecomp byte-compile
cconv macroexp advice help-fns advice-pre= load ob-emacs-lisp ob-tangle
ob-ref ob-lob ob-table org-footnote org-src= ob-comint ob-keys ob ob-eval
org-pcomplete pcomplete comint ansi-color = ring org-list org-faces
org-compat org-entities org-macs noutline outlin= e easy-mmode format-spec
regexp-opt cal-menu easymenu calendar cal-loadd= efs autoinsert
org-install server paren delsel cus-start cus-load aes ep= a-file epa
derived epg epg-config cl time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hoo= ks
lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-varstool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar
rfn-= eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
facemenu= font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
tibetan t= hai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak
czech euro= pean ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook
jka-cmpr-hook = help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces
cus-face files text-= properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env
code-pages mule custom wid= get hashtable-print-readable backquote
make-network-process multi-tty em= acs)
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