From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 06 17:37:22 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2012 21:37:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKc3l-00082L-70 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:37:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56707) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKc3j-00082A-I8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:37:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKc3L-0001hv-67 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:36:56 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:57659) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKc3L-0001hq-36 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:36:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKc3K-0000Na-6H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:36:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKc3J-0001hB-35 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:36:54 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:46082) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TKc3I-0001h0-Pw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:36:53 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q96LanHh024467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:36:49 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q96LamRc023970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:36:49 GMT Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q96Lam51004806 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:36:48 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:36:48 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.2.50; doc string of `font-list-limit' Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:36:39 -0700 Message-ID: <9EFA0423C29F410980684BCE2177A2A4@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac2kCqr8KBQaDVP0RuC21xnS9oKzfQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) This option seems to be limited to integer values (?). There is no Lisp defcustom for it (why not - why put this in C code?), so I don't know what the type is except by experimenting with the edit field and getting an error saying that it must be an integer. So if it MUST be an integer, why does the doc string say this: "If an integer > 0,..." Presumably that is distinguish what happens if the value is an integer less than or equal to zero. Well, what does happen in that case? Not clear at all, for users. In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-10-02 on DANI-PC Bzr revision: 110346 cyd@gnu.org-20121002152147-6a46skux2i4t0n2c Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -I../../libs/libxpm-3.5.8/include -I../../libs/libxpm-3.5.8/src -I../../libs/libpng-1.4.10 -I../../libs/zlib-1.2.6 -I../../libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -I../../libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -I../../libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -I../../libs/libxml2-2.7.8-w32-bin/include/libxml2 -I../../libs/gnutls-3.0.16/include -I../../libs/libiconv-1.14-2-mingw32-dev/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 06 17:43:56 2012 Received: (at 12590) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2012 21:43:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58687 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKcA8-0008CR-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:43:56 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:25108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKcA5-0008CC-Rm for 12590@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:43:54 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q96LhSWx026955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <12590@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:43:28 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q96LhRwb027313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <12590@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:43:27 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q96LhRSv012285 for <12590@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:43:27 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:43:27 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: <12590@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <9EFA0423C29F410980684BCE2177A2A4@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#12590: 24.2.50; doc string of `font-list-limit' Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:43:18 -0700 Message-ID: <00F863FAEB29495B8C82A421B1469198@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9EFA0423C29F410980684BCE2177A2A4@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: Ac2kCqr8KBQaDVP0RuC21xnS9oKzfQAAKRrg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12590 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) The doc should also indicate something about performance. Why might you not want to set this to 1000000? IOW, why do we even have a limit as a user option. The doc should give some guidelines, otherwise it is useless - all users know is that they can limit the number of fonts that are listed. Is that really all there is to it? If so, why have an option for that? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 06 17:52:36 2012 Received: (at 12590) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2012 21:52:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58692 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKcIV-0008Oc-Te for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:52:36 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:30600) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TKcIU-0008OM-Cs for 12590@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 17:52:34 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q96Lq96U030186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <12590@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:52:09 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q96Lq8Cr007960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <12590@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:52:08 GMT Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q96Lq864009651 for <12590@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 16:52:08 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 06 Oct 2012 14:52:08 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: <12590@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <9EFA0423C29F410980684BCE2177A2A4@us.oracle.com> <00F863FAEB29495B8C82A421B1469198@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#12590: 24.2.50; doc string of `font-list-limit' Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:51:59 -0700 Message-ID: <0B5FD83721E741E8A75724B4D20018C4@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00F863FAEB29495B8C82A421B1469198@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: Ac2kCqr8KBQaDVP0RuC21xnS9oKzfQAAKRrgAABPq2A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12590 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) It's also unclear which fonts are not listed if there are more available than the option value. How is that determined, by font name alphabetically? If so, which part of the font name comes first, etc. Also, the doc in the Elisp manual about this option is no more verbose than that in the doc string, but it is far more helpful: It says what the option affects. The doc string is pretty useless as is. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 22 22:42:07 2012 Received: (at 12590) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2012 02:42:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56625 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQURT-0000cg-DP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:42:07 -0400 Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.220.172]:46372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TQURN-0000c8-En for 12590@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 22:42:02 -0400 Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id fl11so4062801vcb.3 for <12590@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:40:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=2B2zCf9PzEBhRBJl7ab/G6ZQBYN6vZdwifUvm8Kzfxk=; b=nUlA5/jYG8izgZNqsUcOOCGfRxuBvoOcOlcbqydW2XPuqtcfiA96uvQ+pEps1A6JdY 9GKQEGFxSH2tV+KiPA9ogUMCYcn+gV0EsXojrNUlvky24vkmlZoPl1irYkXQPZTkHJRS SURdFrZ/IsI50bFXuRrTXfOPqk2dFVBlcqhSuDvBwvMCTg+NVekQ5EqxhBQs9YN99RG3 sEMFFJNpx7OngVFQ9+r0avXfihI06WrXwAYR956aq2fT/qufAjGkE2jFGtku5dr3FwQE FHaJF8snl2tb59QkgmoeDS+nehkg1CDk1ER4dK75FTrZKKRLyE9aJmDOBw3S49c86MR3 gP/Q== Received: by 10.52.17.19 with SMTP id k19mr15237115vdd.0.1350960006294; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulysses (173-166-11-18-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [173.166.11.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i15sm11994889vdt.0.2012.10.22.19.40.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:40:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#12590: 24.2.50; doc string of `font-list-limit' References: <9EFA0423C29F410980684BCE2177A2A4@us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 10:40:03 +0800 In-Reply-To: <9EFA0423C29F410980684BCE2177A2A4@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 6 Oct 2012 14:36:39 -0700") Message-ID: <87haplzzb0.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12590 Cc: 12590@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > This option seems to be limited to integer values (?). There is no Lisp > defcustom for it (why not - why put this in C code?), so I don't know > what the type is except by experimenting with the edit field and getting > an error saying that it must be an integer. Actually, font-list-limit has had no effect since at least Emacs 23. I marked it as obsolete. 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