From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 17 12:03:21 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2012 16:03:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TDdn5-0000lP-EU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:03:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58765) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TDdn2-0000lH-30 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:03:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TDdlo-00011y-4K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:02:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,GAPPY_SUBJECT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:57171) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TDdlo-00011s-2M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:02:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TDdlm-0004L5-VM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:02:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TDdli-0000zN-Bp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:01:58 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:37065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TDdli-0000yw-6D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:01:54 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q8HG1pVf025575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:01:51 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8HG1oqu022600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:01:50 GMT Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8HG1o3W001885 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:01:50 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.248) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:01:50 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.2.50; `C-x C-q' is bound to an obsolete command Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:01:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac2U7b8HTjJk6bbATWOy8WvvCZ1iNQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) C-h k C-x C-q C-x C-q runs the command toggle-read-only, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `files.el'. It is bound to C-x C-q. (toggle-read-only &optional ARG INTERACTIVE) This function is obsolete since 24.3; use `read-only-mode' instead. Not documented. If the command is obsolete, why is the key bound to it and not to its replacement? Why does the help say "Not documented"? Well, because there is no longer any doc string. That's a second bug: users now have no doc for the key. They can follow the link to the doc for `read-only-mode', but that is not the command that is invoked. If `C-x C-q' still invokes `toggle-read-only', then `C-h k C-x C-q' should still provide the doc for `toggle-read-only'. You removed the doc string, which explains what `toggle-read-only' does. In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-09-17 on MARVIN Bzr revision: 110062 cyd@gnu.org-20120917054104-r93rtwkrtva73ewe Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 17 13:40:56 2012 Received: (at 12462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2012 17:40:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40229 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TDfJX-0002ym-ME for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:40:56 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:36959) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TDfJV-0002yf-A3 for 12462@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:40:54 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q8HHdZ53006659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <12462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:39:36 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q8HHdZnK017245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <12462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:39:35 GMT Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8HHdYdC017791 for <12462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:39:35 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.248) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:39:34 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: <12462@debbugs.gnu.org> References: Subject: RE: bug#12462: 24.2.50; `C-x C-q' is bound to an obsolete command Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:39:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac2U7b8HTjJk6bbATWOy8WvvCZ1iNQADXf9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12462 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) Let me add that the doc string for `read-only-mode' is also not up-to-date, in the sense that it, in turn, refers back to `toggle-read-only'. If the latter is really deprecated (let alone obsolete), then the doc should be updated to reflect this: `read-only-mode' doc should stand alone etc. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 22 11:49:15 2012 Received: (at 12462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2012 15:49:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TFRxD-0007Av-97 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:49:15 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:43773) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TFRxB-0007An-3E for 12462@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:49:13 -0400 Received: by pbbjt11 with SMTP id jt11so7417838pbb.3 for <12462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=sY5UJH9yby3Ix97JdhCfG3+8rI8YtjPw3hm5VeSa0DQ=; b=yjHrwAYNJ/swBFYb7zf1oTyQWmVOktWwiqPrl7VJZJiDQgyScCczQvT3xuIhLPq82H Gfq0T09+x/629ZvRE7Bef4S/iA3k0a6GEW7DjcuuiXDpa+Ke48D25Sh5ZMvhd2XEoRmj vWPR/MZqRyT++IspdbMvSK0rB7woKkFhsW0pu4oWaQP7FqctQKOoOUMaIaYJFotMGPTL Z5UiHdUS7T7Ab8ncpOeqbqzvSplKZisX9P1PjfAAx35LoGmzR1g6IrbVh4ugRgZSQEYo 2IBmj3n0XuospXtPoOZu85P2YPJ31NPtv/4BkA59YB0FbuaGhVMBIfeaj0geyhFy7h+x ZUgQ== Received: by 10.68.226.38 with SMTP id rp6mr24233458pbc.116.1348328849236; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 08:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulysses (cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg. [202.156.80.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vl8sm1260381pbc.37.2012.09.22.08.47.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Sep 2012 08:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#12462: 24.2.50; `C-x C-q' is bound to an obsolete command References: Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:47:24 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:01:49 -0700") Message-ID: <87k3vmdppv.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12462 Cc: 12462@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > If the command is obsolete, why is the key bound to it and not to its > replacement? Fixed in trunk. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 22 11:49:28 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2012 15:49:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49337 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TFRxQ-0007BK-IF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:49:28 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:43773) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TFRxO-0007An-QK for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 11:49:27 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id jt11so7417838pbb.3 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=SUkAfRE1hEi5v9rUlWkQKpfYM0nkW72RehQ6JmCN5uA=; b=eYMd2XfNizhS3H6j0v7uB6oT53usjs9F1bIBk+piLcl8nA4pH1erI+jLklCMF8Oi+Q gpWDUSxwqE3ilDLqehCjm3moENGTySipKk+zGhLzSh8ST3B3xL45LOSlgVkTDcW1aJq6 Tq+2cVmgplDmGVKtz2dtPhQ0bT6s4Ojx+D83DvvEXACxrr6ATPq9YqekUrT7JYvYMwt2 pDa/0z5oCxrsS55Oco2wbqi0XH503IVyYTw20HrtUOX+HPW4LrxYrkyhaPWaeNwZKKVF wvIq05ZfBPn8mafa3+JkxEYsDT9gwYQrP9+8DhGPSdSjxvZLGdrm8UUit4kseNP6SsbL wQMA== Received: by 10.66.84.229 with SMTP id c5mr21022371paz.12.1348328863421; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulysses (cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg. [202.156.80.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pn4sm6814857pbb.50.2012.09.22.08.47.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Sep 2012 08:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 12462 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:47:38 +0800 Message-ID: <87r4puys85.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) close 12462 thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 22 19:00:51 2012 Received: (at 12462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Sep 2012 23:00:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49798 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TFYgs-0001tF-Kv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:00:51 -0400 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:37118 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TFYgq-0001t8-MT for 12462@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:00:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E471C451CCEA; Sat, 22 Sep 2012 15:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Juri Linkov To: Chong Yidong Subject: Re: bug#12462: 24.2.50; `C-x C-q' is bound to an obsolete command Organization: JURTA References: <87k3vmdppv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 01:58:00 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87k3vmdppv.fsf@gnu.org> (Chong Yidong's message of "Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:47:24 +0800") Message-ID: <87r4ptpsw7.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12462 Cc: 12462@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) >> If the command is obsolete, why is the key bound to it and not to its >> replacement? > > Fixed in trunk. I added [remap read-only-mode] to dired.el because this change broke wdired. An old [remap toggle-read-only] could still remain for backward-compatibility. Also I'm not sure whether `toggle-read-only' should be replaced with `read-only-mode' in the function `dired-toggle-read-only' and maybe the name of the function `dired-toggle-read-only' should be changed to `dired-read-only-mode' in a similar way? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 23 06:23:57 2012 Received: (at 12462) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2012 10:23:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50332 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TFjLw-0000Lg-Kh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:23:56 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:62653) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TFjLu-0000LZ-Ea for 12462@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 06:23:55 -0400 Received: by pbbjt11 with SMTP id jt11so8404864pbb.3 for <12462@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 03:22:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=yvtZ0l5Tpc0fHeoicvmMjstBQYVP4Dmk8nMb6S2lG3U=; b=sNhijpovRfblhcbRBTtiBjcV9ngtPds8QUQwKPitKM2NNc7iVC6qUoML/g+982KXJt KknA+Sw4Cs+oIKOgS33DlaGXze//jHYBl3sFI5UZj3bGBDkFXYCeHRXTqg21tJQu/THh E6E8yhcgnGpdikvPoAIb7QTFi3WE9wYrCQ5qnqG0bALuSasipzdDmtRwhBxn15yZeWqB Zvw0/dEiEJpcY1jcnV7sERDB54f/mka0+naZL3fEAJvPCNEYUts3c6u0lhidtjRd6hRX KkW4dmhg91PMWPuDMWJ7L+gh6cd7s3pNCdyY1tuKfdTCLx8tOW364KFIvOUf8eaNSq0s 0oGQ== Received: by 10.66.84.229 with SMTP id c5mr25292631paz.12.1348395726193; Sun, 23 Sep 2012 03:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulysses (cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg. [202.156.80.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qw6sm7911756pbc.26.2012.09.23.03.22.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Sep 2012 03:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#12462: 24.2.50; `C-x C-q' is bound to an obsolete command References: <87k3vmdppv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4ptpsw7.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:22:01 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87r4ptpsw7.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sun, 23 Sep 2012 01:58:00 +0300") Message-ID: <87vcf5599y.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12462 Cc: 12462@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) Juri Linkov writes: > Also I'm not sure whether `toggle-read-only' should be replaced with > `read-only-mode' in the function `dired-toggle-read-only' Yes, this should use (read-only-mode 'toggle). I changed that and several other similar use-cases in the trunk. Thanks. > and maybe the name of the function `dired-toggle-read-only' should be > changed to `dired-read-only-mode' in a similar way? I don't think such a name change would be apropriate, since dired-read-only-mode is not a separate minor mode. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:09:34 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator