From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 11 05:06:20 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2012 09:06:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBMQF-0006jH-9E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:06:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38238) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBMQC-0006jA-Uh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:06:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBMPT-00058B-PJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:05:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:57926) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBMPT-000587-MF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:05:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60899) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBMPN-0004yF-Vz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:05:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBMPI-0004v6-9D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:05:25 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com ([209.85.212.177]:40507) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBMPI-0004uO-3F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:05:20 -0400 Received: by wibhn17 with SMTP id hn17so243125wib.12 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:05:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=1OkZfDFzF/VYJAaAAeVNIB121C1jbDm/XafVxOuIvNM=; b=ZcOTYHy9cYviU1BPpXRflVxh2t5ykqPs0UtQkaxrAuRaqwM4yY3ughugvrHf3DmnRh 7sv5RDhQnTH9LZ/PhTCN3dhTcclAJ4DGqbekfzgySSY/EeA6o22BGyKvZfI4spYvRj1H una4ruNPIbpEaim1B0DhBC/GsQ/nkuUM53wXLwkgdPwG+Gn/wgn6viDZtn2n3EfOkxSW v4vmkjAJYFwNzw/2TUB34wto067N6EwBF9ZUTSNjLuNkAt1Bd3lDdmNmRI4uF7y85lue f4FaitUjpex90bSCh3JvBFp3GKnqQNEZ7PFcnhzObPEr47HEZSMY2WecmjFUD97azwYR OI1w== Received: by 10.180.107.163 with SMTP id hd3mr23611189wib.19.1347354319116; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhost.localdomain ([81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ct3sm1646737wib.5.2012.09.11.02.05.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 02:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by myhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4596D89A2; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:05:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:05:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) `make help' and `make targets' don't exist in last rev. I think it would help. In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10) of 2012-09-10 on myhost Bzr revision: 109965 cyd@gnu.org-20120910032510-vrblnwlfnsb0cx3s Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11201000 Important settings: value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t -- Bastien From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 11 15:15:14 2012 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2012 19:15:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55146 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBVvW-0007fZ-8T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:15:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:57685) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBVvU-0007fS-FY for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:15:13 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBVul-0007I7-Ll; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:14:27 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Bastien Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> X-Spook: HAMASMOIS national information infrastructure data haven X-Ran: Z+tr?_=P_r"f0@($6oD(z0n%4p4KPj2;{Rm%B"s`{<+TR4--XI:0am7\"Dag7xILdIDZjZ X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:14:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> (Bastien's message of "Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:05:20 +0200") Message-ID: <2lpq5sjrsc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: 12411@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) Bastien wrote: > `make help' and `make targets' don't exist in last rev. In general, Emacs has the standard GNU Makefile targets: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Standard-Targets.html Your proposed two are not in that list. Could you say what you want them to do? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 11 16:35:22 2012 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2012 20:35:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55239 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBXB3-00017u-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:35:22 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com ([209.85.212.180]:60405) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBXB0-00017k-FX for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:35:19 -0400 Received: by wibhm6 with SMTP id hm6so921823wib.15 for <12411@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:34:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=1U4KfYe75aK9cboOqIkU2OKaYeVvyR1WkSC4zrZI1RI=; b=NnV50SLAqTmsqYedSGKCzp6hF74QjafmqcrhOAJ+01xjDcOuKZwPo3x7QCXeonYczn PT+DZOhoYADclQlG+QqWeBu3LuyRzg0sqN9jqf45Lla7Kk0ktAQDP7UzBx54JjrUgUZ+ KSou+LdznH/azSXNyJw4wdfKIiSU2ZS3XbPvG0m35ZGzssI78o1Yi01jCXvDywx2jTP3 8qtP+lm90hHDLUx4LNq1jIIZkffJUm5NqnglU3eMbHHaZwrzV0pygHbSNse0VICYsw27 /ytePT4Lz7QCqThpd2bUc5q1btKV0z1TyWnMkR3jxk8yuiSGHiKOvz2KSR3aa7VG4Hc+ SbUQ== Received: by 10.180.97.135 with SMTP id ea7mr27526748wib.11.1347395675487; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhost.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc2sm6418567wib.0.2012.09.11.13.34.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by myhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B926689A2; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:34:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? In-Reply-To: <2lpq5sjrsc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:14:27 -0400") References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> <2lpq5sjrsc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:34:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87pq5sfgdf.fsf@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: 12411@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > Bastien wrote: > >> `make help' and `make targets' don't exist in last rev. > > In general, Emacs has the standard GNU Makefile targets: > > http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Standard-Targets.html > > Your proposed two are not in that list. > Could you say what you want them to do? My bad, I thought the `help' target was a GNU standard. `make help' would display a one-line help about the various available targets: # make all # make install # make TAGS # make clean (or make mostlyclean) # make distclean # make maintainer-clean # make extraclean # make bootstrap (Taken from INSTALL, not from the actual Makefile.) If I'm not confused, the last two targets are not in the GNU standards (`bootstrap' and `extraclean'). Documenting `make extraclean' is not important IMO but documenting `make bootstrap' could be: there are often questions on emacs-devel which are answered by "You need to `make bootstrap'." I guess `make help' could give a better exposure to this option? -- Bastien From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 12 03:53:50 2012 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2012 07:53:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55867 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBhle-0008Aw-7G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:53:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44118) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBhlb-0008Ap-3H for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:53:48 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBhkp-0006fR-DK; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:52:59 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Bastien Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> <2lpq5sjrsc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pq5sfgdf.fsf@altern.org> X-Spook: Putin strategic ASLET AIEWS John Kerry Leuken-Baden ASDIC X-Ran: =LTXV9Y+AyrEmVfy&X'Sj_\kn>v3!Y-jyjT^+c*d7[esXM"u[|~Pype{X,F%NbjL;W&D>$ X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:52:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87pq5sfgdf.fsf@altern.org> (Bastien's message of "Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:34:36 +0200") Message-ID: <2ir4q7ad9g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: 12411@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) Bastien wrote: > `make help' would display a one-line help about the various > available targets: sed -n 's/^\([a-z]*\):.*/\1/p' Makefile # plus uniq... They are all pretty much standard targets, and documented at the top of the Makefile. > Documenting `make extraclean' is not important IMO but documenting > `make bootstrap' could be: there are often questions on emacs-devel > which are answered by "You need to `make bootstrap'." It is written in INSTALL.BZR... > I guess `make help' could give a better exposure to this option? I'm not optimistic that any more people will read this than read INSTALL.BZR or the commentary in the Makefile. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 12 06:00:03 2012 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2012 10:00:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBjjm-0003R9-3i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:00:02 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]:46895) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBjjj-0003QL-Mh for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 06:00:00 -0400 Received: by weyu54 with SMTP id u54so891119wey.3 for <12411@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:59:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=E3VktncHYcdIpregwxpqTmiBt5d8sZ/PGX2fZzWSUN0=; b=adkUgiG97cZK3OQZG03aSwgz4H6PRHcO7WXG/JE7rEal4cvQYqIgcenmgAMDiv9Cti cs1042y7x1qRvCYVYSQsi8w81UQ/uCvCrxIVCZu2KdSsBR4OqGYyfmy+F3EptQIQYt1O yXoF7qn/wGDgL+qGDuT4RQCRpoGGUHj8NpQPel8i2EtDbyXo7tA8PvVIg9yTrx1ZiAXZ 4DOACeLGJFLviGjcKU6z5y/jPYqeyAlZGsYDYBPXSVNL9CYQtZCq5dovLKhvqU3gVU6F wd/23txjzWCh0WIEwbgpYQY6XDwIkMfwsTXobFT/nE/kW85CTt92sYvQAtJynEAGsKZR 7gMQ== Received: by 10.180.19.166 with SMTP id g6mr31575942wie.13.1347443953584; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhost.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc2sm11109054wib.0.2012.09.12.02.59.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by myhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 39BE089A2; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:59:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? In-Reply-To: <2ir4q7ad9g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:52:59 -0400") References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> <2lpq5sjrsc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pq5sfgdf.fsf@altern.org> <2ir4q7ad9g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:59:12 +0200 Message-ID: <871ui7y32n.fsf@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: 12411@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > I'm not optimistic that any more people will read this than read > INSTALL.BZR or the commentary in the Makefile. Fair enough. My basic assumption is that users are used to run `make help' when they are trying to understand what they do, but that may be wrong. -- Bastien From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 12 22:48:18 2012 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2012 02:48:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBzTW-0008Uj-7D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:48:18 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:46447) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TBzTU-0008Uc-8D for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:48:16 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TBzSg-0003fc-QS; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:47:26 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Bastien Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> <2lpq5sjrsc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pq5sfgdf.fsf@altern.org> <2ir4q7ad9g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871ui7y32n.fsf@altern.org> X-Spook: Centro insurgency advisors Treasury 64 Vauxhall Cross X-Ran: y)-}'|LiaYUmk^W|$X%)JWi)O`]j1bU_W8#fGSCiu}M#| (Bastien's message of "Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:59:12 +0200") Message-ID: <0svcfiprk1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: 12411@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.3 (-------) Bastien wrote: > Glenn Morris writes: > >> I'm not optimistic that any more people will read this than read >> INSTALL.BZR or the commentary in the Makefile. > > Fair enough. My basic assumption is that users are used to run > `make help' when they are trying to understand what they do, but > that may be wrong. I think you should feel free to add such a target if you think it will be useful to people. Don't let my pessimism discourage you! :) (I've never tried to run `make help' for anything.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 12 23:24:11 2012 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2012 03:24:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58307 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TC02F-0000sW-Ai for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 23:24:11 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:42211) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TC02E-0000sP-0r for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 23:24:10 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0FAG6Zu09FpYjU/2dsb2JhbABEsEiDSYEIghUBAQQBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiBwFugmQRAOjM4FYgwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="198219900" Received: from 69-165-136-212.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.136.212]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 12 Sep 2012 23:23:20 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0591A59445; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 23:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? Message-ID: References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> <2lpq5sjrsc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pq5sfgdf.fsf@altern.org> <2ir4q7ad9g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 23:23:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2ir4q7ad9g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:52:59 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: Bastien , 12411@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > sed -n 's/^\([a-z]*\):.*/\1/p' Makefile # plus uniq... > They are all pretty much standard targets, and documented at the top of > the Makefile. It's not always easy to find the doc corresponding to a given target, so I think it would indeed be a good idea to make "make help" return some useful info. I also think it would be a valuable addition to the GNU coding standards. Just like all commands should accept a "--help", it would make sense for the main Makefile to do something useful with "make help". Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 13 08:44:36 2012 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2012 12:44:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58993 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TC8ma-0006zE-2W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:44:36 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:29858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TC8mY-0006z8-Od for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:44:34 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0FAG6Zu09MCqmt/2dsb2JhbABEsEiDSYEIghYBBVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiCG6CZBEA6MzgViDBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="198234842" Received: from 76-10-169-173.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.169.173]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 13 Sep 2012 08:43:42 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8A48C59445; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:43:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? Message-ID: References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> <2lpq5sjrsc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87pq5sfgdf.fsf@altern.org> <2ir4q7ad9g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871ui7y32n.fsf@altern.org> <0svcfiprk1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 08:43:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <0svcfiprk1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 12 Sep 2012 22:47:26 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: Bastien , 12411@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > (I've never tried to run `make help' for anything.) Indeed, it's not a standard target, so it'll benefit from being advertised in things like INSTALL. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 20 19:09:56 2019 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2019 23:09:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34206 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0DGG-0000Eq-GU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:09:56 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f176.google.com ([209.85.210.176]:36134) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i0DGB-0000Ea-Py for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:09:52 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f176.google.com with SMTP id w2so101934pfi.3 for <12411@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UWIkgDXvC4WZhLHLzvNvTHcfRcA12s/UtxOVl9Kw+Bs=; b=BW/DGz4VdFM1+1w8fd23v4gAfxqaP2M6EgGMxZgaz1QQigZditsZ/b5of1xkWheLr8 dE6hGVNMm856PysN5wZxO4xloYNO7j3XRYBRRjo5UJcqozEFYRZnVJrFUzArjC/ttVDV Fh6wFBhBmp/x6iuf2Us7PyljaIV/0+MvxhDthVlU1Zw8jtE5yNq9LYF2PUhf+GAytqft yJTTnvam0xhiwcRsdSWRkw7/gY/Q1JsnPaswOuy5O2M5y89AOkV+hnH7+ECSjeNX6et8 lvjbdziOoDfGgiVTFek7Ip1sSPPQsHI9/V/28XzOen1DYCSYHsGGHAOQRI8sVIfJEbjH SnTA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWheoYGFXKt/cIChqw34Rhdh2YcHb7O/NHcAWcQ58z6C9cS53Vc T/WR5AQJtmgygKgoaLzXpFyQ+FU4AD76zNoBBRI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwnUH2XXVGsVNOk3ZpfBttcMSoiZLb/awpw5By3Qc8BSs4DP44WWlkA4ylgQgrWhRGw0ET4cwwKMLLscWKV01k= X-Received: by 2002:a63:5f01:: with SMTP id t1mr24464526pgb.200.1566342585908; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 16:09:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 01:09:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000006e43e10590948dc7" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: Glenn Morris , 12411@debbugs.gnu.org, Bastien X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --0000000000006e43e10590948dc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Stefan Monnier writes: >> sed -n 's/^\([a-z]*\):.*/\1/p' Makefile # plus uniq... >> They are all pretty much standard targets, and documented at the top of >> the Makefile. > > It's not always easy to find the doc corresponding to a given target, so > I think it would indeed be a good idea to make "make help" return some > useful info. > I also think it would be a valuable addition to the GNU coding standards. > Just like all commands should accept a "--help", it would make sense for > the main Makefile to do something useful with "make help". How about something like the attached patch? I'm not a Makefile expert, so I couldn't find a way to skip the configure step and immediately echo. 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References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: bzg@altern.org, 12411@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 01:09:32 +0200 > Cc: 12411@debbugs.gnu.org, Bastien > > I'm not a Makefile expert, so I couldn't find a way to skip the > configure step and immediately echo. There's GNUmakefile which could be used for that purpose. > + @echo "make clean -- delete files from build" > + @echo "make mostlyclean -- delete most files from build" > + @echo "make distclean -- delete files from build and configure" > + @echo "make maintainer-clean -- delete almost everything that can be regenerated" It would be good to have these 4 more descriptive. The above basically just repeats the target names, which is not very helpful. > + @echo "make bootstrap -- delete all files and force a new bootstrap" "Delete all files" sounds scary, and is also incorrect. > + @echo "make uninstall -- delete all installed files" I'd say "remove files installed by 'make install'" > + @echo "make docs -- generate Emacs documentation" > + @echo "make html -- generate html documentation" > + @echo "make ps -- generate ps documentation" > + @echo "make pdf -- generate pdf documentation" The description of "make docs" should tell which formats it produces, otherwise its relation to the 3 other docs-related targets is not clear. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 27 19:56:34 2019 Received: (at 12411) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2019 23:56:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49610 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2lKD-0005Wm-W7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 19:56:34 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f178.google.com ([209.85.215.178]:33945) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2lKC-0005WX-EB for 12411@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 19:56:32 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f178.google.com with SMTP id n9so357514pgc.1 for <12411@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NITO+ZClLtf04wtZjRyO/VOWXXoZIAOckYe2o01BR+Y=; b=VsSEKjbJjyHT14pGVcIdO7vL2DDHh6hu2cCSXap+AX5A+9Ot+kJs576nMyN48WldP7 aPOl72S1nUG/A96IVNfQXUb3rdBPaN33y8bqTGt6UxIbiO2m+h1YPXCBPbOZWF29YGwg RDRKEFloNDX2qHsDxww4jz0NPXKIrKTugvkpRmCJ59TJSHkwwOSQFVA4YMNgEZ6nGMmM zaBbS3W30Vy1H15eRkX8KBzGJyICMfKsx67ORu/iwJE6ECkxvnao8JVf7hxUaEWcySFr bwvYZ4XCRoPJu9G04kGtnhZy2j+RH1ZDHMe2+8HPcUvbgbfYQP8JdqRC4MJeqdBB7uQX yCCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW92vLaULEHlVnjqHUljLo0RMHB3mh9PpIemmxog669mrp5ej+6 AjGOrDPrHnq1IebceTd1zrfaNjJ8m/dZNF22wkU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxKzVMOw9z7p10VUtCOrY3ZTSwoJfIM0dZBfMNQpTdGzkwK79LF3+N+IjepBuSDLBVVHa0RKVNlP7GolRarj9A= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8b46:: with SMTP id i6mr1304456pfd.190.1566950186465; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:56:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87har5lyjz.fsf@altern.org> <83sgpujw2j.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83sgpujw2j.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 01:56:14 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#12411: 24.2.50; No `make help' target? To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000003eec7b05912205ca" X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12411 Cc: Bastien Guerry , 12411@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) --0000000000003eec7b05912205ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I'm not a Makefile expert, so I couldn't find a way to skip the > > configure step and immediately echo. > > There's GNUmakefile which could be used for that purpose. Thanks. I think I was able to find a good way to do it using that file. > > + @echo "make clean -- delete files from build" > > + @echo "make mostlyclean -- delete most files from build" > > + @echo "make distclean -- delete files from build and configure" > > + @echo "make maintainer-clean -- delete almost everything that can be regenerated" > > It would be good to have these 4 more descriptive. The above > basically just repeats the target names, which is not very helpful. I've extended that. > > + @echo "make bootstrap -- delete all files and force a new bootstrap" > > "Delete all files" sounds scary, and is also incorrect. Fixed. > > + @echo "make uninstall -- delete all installed files" > > I'd say "remove files installed by 'make install'" Done. > > + @echo "make docs -- generate Emacs documentation" > > + @echo "make html -- generate html documentation" > > + @echo "make ps -- generate ps documentation" > > + @echo "make pdf -- generate pdf documentation" > > The description of "make docs" should tell which formats it produces, > otherwise its relation to the 3 other docs-related targets is not > clear. Done. > Thanks. Thanks for reviewing. Please find attached a revised patch, incorporating your changes and also announcing this feature in NEWS for bigger visibility. 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