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24.2; fails to load X11 resources

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From: Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.2; fails to load X11 resources
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:55:44 +0200

emacs24 seems to ignore X11 resources completely. I'm trying Debian's 
GTK and "Lucid" variants of emacs 24.2 and both completely ignore my X11
font resources that emacs23 has been accepting for years.

I have the following set:

emacs.font:		-*-terminus-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1

emacs24 ignores it completely (emacs23 works as expected).
I tried both emacs24/-lucid, and both end up using the following font as 
frame's default:

  -bitstream-Bitstream Vera Sans 
Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-15-*-*-*-m-0-fontset-startup

which is not even my default GTK font!


In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10)
 of 2012-09-09 on trouble, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11203902
Configured using:
 `configure '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu'
 '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib'
 '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
 '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes'

'--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.2/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.2/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp'
 '--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' '--with-x=yes'
 '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars'
 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector
 --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall'
 'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2''

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  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

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Minor modes in effect:
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  mouse-wheel-mode: t
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  file-name-shadow-mode: t
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Message #8 received at 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>
Cc: 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12404: 24.2; fails to load X11 resources
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:21:36 -0400

Yuri D'Elia wrote:

> emacs24 seems to ignore X11 resources completely. I'm trying Debian's
> GTK and "Lucid" variants of emacs 24.2 and both completely ignore my
> X11 font resources that emacs23 has been accepting for years.
>
> I have the following set:
>
> emacs.font:		-*-terminus-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1
>
> emacs24 ignores it completely (emacs23 works as expected).
> I tried both emacs24/-lucid, and both end up using the following font
> as frame's default:
>
>   -bitstream-Bitstream Vera Sans
> Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-15-*-*-*-m-0-fontset-startup
>
> which is not even my default GTK font!

It works fine for me using Debian's 24.1 package (ie, the GTK+ version),
started with -q (not -Q because that ignores X resources), under XFCE,
with an X resource of the form:

   Emacs.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso8859-1

I can't remember whether Gnome settings will take precedence if Gnome
services are running. So suggestion 1 is to recompile --without-gconf
--without-gsettings and see if it makes a difference.

Suggestion 2 is to try specifying the font completely in X resources.

> In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10)
>  of 2012-09-09 on trouble, modified by Debian

Message #11 received at 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12404: 24.2; fails to load X11 resources
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:12:37 +0200

On 09/11/2012 09:21 AM, Glenn Morris wrote:
> It works fine for me using Debian's 24.1 package (ie, the GTK+ version),
> started with -q (not -Q because that ignores X resources), under XFCE,
> with an X resource of the form:
>
>     Emacs.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso8859-1
>
> I can't remember whether Gnome settings will take precedence if Gnome
> services are running. So suggestion 1 is to recompile --without-gconf
> --without-gsettings and see if it makes a difference.

Whoa... that was completely unexpected:

  gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface monospace-font-name
  'Monospace 11'

funny thing is, I absolutely have no gnome/kde installed, so I had 
*absolutely* no idea what I had to use to query this crap...

Also, I tried the emacs24-lucid package which has --without-gconf, but 
not --without-gsettings and thus I have the same behavior.

How can I force emacs to use X11 resources over gsettings? I have been 
using *font for years now to configure the default font globally, 
including with emacs23.

This is probably a default setting pulled from the 
gsettings-desktop-schemas package which is in turn pulled by some weird 
dependencies, not something I can avoid. Also, I never configured it in 
the first place.

I don't mind the gconf/gsettings dependency on the package, so I would 
like to avoid asking Debian's maintaines to build another packaged just 
for this.

Ideas?

Message #14 received at 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>
Cc: 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12404: 24.2; fails to load X11 resources
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 12:30:06 -0400

Yuri D'Elia wrote:

> Also, I tried the emacs24-lucid package which has --without-gconf, but
> not --without-gsettings and thus I have the same behavior.

I'm only guessing that this is a factor (the manual implies it only is
if font-use-system-font is non-nil).
It should be straightforward to compile your own Emacs on Debian, then
you check for yourself. Start with `apt-get build-dep emacs24'.

Also, I certainly have Gnome things installed, and as I said X11
resources seem to work for me with Debian's GTK Emacs 24. So do try a
more complete font specification.

Message #17 received at 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
To: Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12404: 24.2; fails to load X11 resources
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:09:40 +0200

11 sep 2012 kl. 17:12 skrev Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>:

> On 09/11/2012 09:21 AM, Glenn Morris wrote:
>> It works fine for me using Debian's 24.1 package (ie, the GTK+ version),
>> started with -q (not -Q because that ignores X resources), under XFCE,
>> with an X resource of the form:
>> 
>>    Emacs.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso8859-1
>> 
>> I can't remember whether Gnome settings will take precedence if Gnome
>> services are running. So suggestion 1 is to recompile --without-gconf
>> --without-gsettings and see if it makes a difference.
> 

X resources for font take precedencde, last in x_default_font_parameter:

  /* This call will make X resources override any system font setting.  */
  x_default_parameter (f, parms, Qfont, font, "font", "Font", RES_TYPE_STRING);

> 
> How can I force emacs to use X11 resources over gsettings? I have been using *font for years now to configure the default font globally, including with emacs23.
> 

X11 resources for font already takes precedence over other sources.
Do you see emacs.font when you do:
% xrdb -query
?

	Jan D.

Message #20 received at 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>
To: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 12404 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12404: 24.2; fails to load X11 resources
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:42:04 +0200

On 09/11/2012 08:09 PM, Jan Djärv wrote:
> X resources for font take precedencde, last in x_default_font_parameter:
>
>    /* This call will make X resources override any system font setting.  */
>    x_default_parameter (f, parms, Qfont, font, "font", "Font", RES_TYPE_STRING);
>
>> How can I force emacs to use X11 resources over gsettings? I have been using *font for years now to configure the default font globally, including with emacs23.
>>
>
> X11 resources for font already takes precedence over other sources.
> Do you see emacs.font when you do:
> % xrdb -query

Yes, the resource is set. I was able to run emacs24 with the font 
resource correctly by executing it as "emacs" as opposed to "emacs24" (I 
guess the class name is inherited from the executable name?).

Message #25 received at 12404-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d <at> swipnet.se>
To: Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 12404-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12404: 24.2; fails to load X11 resources
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:15:10 +0200

13 sep 2012 kl. 11:42 skrev Yuri D'Elia <wavexx <at> thregr.org>:

> On 09/11/2012 08:09 PM, Jan Djärv wrote:
>> X resources for font take precedencde, last in x_default_font_parameter:
>> 
>>   /* This call will make X resources override any system font setting.  */
>>   x_default_parameter (f, parms, Qfont, font, "font", "Font", RES_TYPE_STRING);
>> 
>>> How can I force emacs to use X11 resources over gsettings? I have been using *font for years now to configure the default font globally, including with emacs23.
>>> 
>> 
>> X11 resources for font already takes precedence over other sources.
>> Do you see emacs.font when you do:
>> % xrdb -query
> 
> Yes, the resource is set. I was able to run emacs24 with the font resource correctly by executing it as "emacs" as opposed to "emacs24" (I guess the class name is inherited from the executable name?).

No, the class is Emacs, but you used emacs.font.  Good that it solved itself, closing this bug as there is no Emacs error here.

	Jan D.

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