From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:58:07 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12104: 24.1; customize-variable: Customize buffer does not hide standard settings Resent-From: Raffaele Ricciardi Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 12104 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 12104@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.134375003324779 (code B ref -1); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:54:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2012 15:53:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52821 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SwElc-0006Rc-Eh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:53:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40580) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SwElZ-0006RU-Nh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:53:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwEeS-00057i-Kc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:46:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL,HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:60217) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwEeS-00057e-Gm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:46:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33279) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwEeM-0002m7-Cz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:46:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwEeJ-00055K-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:46:22 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:52119) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwEeI-000556-TA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:46:19 -0400 Received: by weys10 with SMTP id s10so5013123wey.0 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 08:46:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gy28F3h+hj7cDzFTayHtm1BHMdPBSncVQw1MbJ9iGHw=; b=mRqe837RvOxyUUbB/62+w/IR/X0onlOuAy3bfBbis+3aFZigC8j5IPKPWuQMlCZB+D y5OZhOUCtdSSGDmVoZ+CPZj4xTjiFX0vCP2l/wF8Js98pBXlBTLvcmxulBMRExYosO8n fgonlyJfVhB9it6Tk909MD30MzXNGM1affRA05DEH3gx2JNqsgQxNP+CbaPw3eeDqP8O mvbRI+37HewvcbEBsrneHSGq4uMyNGO0hMSieE2F7ezH7eDcmGF435PlFch3s5PUYTdt 5N4A09sbx0HvacGYPqDmxEFbIjqKpJ03MUUQeiJODsHk4OsjbKEvJ3cVT0Ra78WfJ80a n+/A== Received: by 10.180.78.135 with SMTP id b7mr7965913wix.11.1343749578132; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 08:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [101.10.252.11] (5ac6337b.bb.sky.com. 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org. Please check that the From: line contains a valid email address. After a delay of up to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address. Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators for other languages. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': - emacs -Q - M-x customize-variable RET blink-matching-delay RET The Customize buffer shows the value of the option, whereas according to the News it should starts out hidden because the value has not been changed. Anyway, I think that hiding the values of options betrays the expectations of users, as no other application I know of does so. At least, such hiding should be configurable (I've found no option to change it). Emacs already detects and shows in the State field whether a variable has been changed or not. Thank you for your attention. Regards -- If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file /home/lele/bin/emacs/emacs-24.1/share/emacs/24.1/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2012-06-12 on debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000 Configured using: `configure '--prefix=/home/lele/bin/emacs/emacs-24.1'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Custom Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-. c g M-x c g u s t o m i - g r o M-x c u s t o m i - g r o s h o w p a r e n - b l i C-. M-x r e p o r t C u s t o m i z e SPC g r o u p SPC C-g M-x c u s t o m i - v a b l i n k m a t d e M-x r e p o - e Recent messages: Making completion list... Creating customization items... Creating customization items ...done Resetting customization items...done Creating customization setup...done Making completion list... Note: file is write protected View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. Quit [2 times] call-interactively: End of buffer Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr multi-isearch noutline outline easy-mmode help-fns emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail regexp-opt rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode view ebnf2ps ps-print ps-def lpr cus-edit easymenu cus-start cus-load wid-edit time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:58:07 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12104: 24.1; customize-variable: Customize buffer does not hide standard settings Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12104 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Raffaele Ricciardi Cc: 12104@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12104-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12104.134376934020248 (code B ref 12104); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 12104) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2012 21:15:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53212 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SwJn1-0005GX-RA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:15:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60260) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SwJn0-0005GQ-9e for 12104@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:15:39 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwJfs-0004xy-MJ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:08:16 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <50180BED.90009@gmail.com> X-Spook: David John Oates Freeh pink noise benelux Ft. Bragg NATO X-Ran: }F=To7T^7`f5(Y"!xBO~'73'8v3a$&U$Me=;y~HWm^Z;\bG`.o,n\5sf;bfT?U}Z]VUo49 X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:08:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <50180BED.90009@gmail.com> (Raffaele Ricciardi's message of "Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:46:37 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Raffaele Ricciardi wrote: > - emacs -Q > - M-x customize-variable RET blink-matching-delay RET > > The Customize buffer shows the value of the option, whereas according > to the News it should starts out hidden because the value has not been > changed. It means in the customize group buffer. Compare emacs -Q M-x customize-group RET paren-blinking RET in 24.1 and 23.4. 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