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Choose Set for Current Session. You can never change it back to another value, because there is no State button. In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-06-10 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: <12065@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.134783887321556 (code B ref 12065); 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[206.188.64.44]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x184sm4867071ite.0.2016.08.05.16.22.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Aug 2016 16:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 19:22:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:45:05 -0700") Message-ID: <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) severity 12065 minor tags 12065 notabug quit "Drew Adams" writes: > emacs -Q > > M-x customize-option custom-magic-show > > Change the value to "no" using Value Menu. > Choose Set for Current Session. > > You can never change it back to another value, because there is no State > button. Apart from doing a setq manually, there is an "Apply" (it's labeled "Set for current session" in 24.1) button at the top of the buffer. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.147044184517749 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:05:02 +0000 Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 00:04:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp5x-0004cD-5B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:04:05 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:24753) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVp5u-0004bi-7a for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:04:02 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u7603s6T022658 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:03:55 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7603sx9008013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:03:54 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u7603rb5020777; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 00:03:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) > > emacs -Q > > > > M-x customize-option custom-magic-show > > > > Change the value to "no" using Value Menu. > > Choose Set for Current Session. > > > > You can never change it back to another value, because there is no Stat= e > > button. >=20 > Apart from doing a setq manually, there is an "Apply" (it's labeled "Set > for current session" in 24.1) button at the top of the buffer. Huh? I don't understand how that means that this is not a bug. You might not have the will or resources to fix this now, but this certainly must be a bug. If a user can change the value using the Value menu then it should be possible to change it back again, _using the Value menu_. It makes no difference that there might be other ways to change it back. This bug is about using the Value menu (and then the State menu). The point of this bug is that using the Value menu is a one-way street, exceptionally, in the case of this one option. That's not normal - why should this option be an exception to how Emacs Customize works? And if you change the value to short or long there is no such problem. Using the Value menu to change the value to no should make the State menu disappear. Period. (And the State menu is used for multiple purposes, not just to set the value for the current session.) From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Resent-From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Drew Adams Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.147044312419545 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 00:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 00:25:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVpQZ-00055B-W0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:25:24 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-f174.google.com ([209.85.223.174]:33498) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVpQX-00054y-VZ for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:25:23 -0400 Received: by mail-io0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 38so314052747iol.0 for <12065@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 17:25:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=Gxeco0Uw06otBcvdb+KqMk5TMtpHVWtPTDxCt3gy6zM=; b=oeRWE3PlWi7bWRhBNBiS1uCP02nCTCYc1nXfy9i0jTPUiBSwsW90IoRUh+shuE5EA5 Iu70D+jkZm4R5kWeH9Gkv0NePPnVSL2MvcmkT0taSjE9DyuW4BiSlUu97xGMoa5TEI4d Xvx5CqpzBBbui2fwfCLSEn5bO+PabWbM4oV1vaMmaqmO/eUUirk9DLjK9wuqLphChmXz FsOaHYOjzfWtn+PcNwGHaey+V4lhPxaVeGE/Z80/XCH0q4CkLwWuVUu7nXhowUlMP2mW ilDdF4XIxxVx4lZv0M7v2H9La+ZPDx1aWfYKx5+/s1oN02DLIqB2McAhtwrif1g8iDHs gMRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=Gxeco0Uw06otBcvdb+KqMk5TMtpHVWtPTDxCt3gy6zM=; b=CqGIWnt2YoU1eFsObvldcHV2ijmdexLVlaN2a/0d8JS+6ao5OWlr129bwXmb+fi8hR NDwarCg4mWUljisXz53cm9//3xl0e7qLGD4Qh6kF6TW6sJV7WtyhMAuiBMKUoSjbe6FA dAWvQSyWan454AmZzFaEqstOia8S+X43gHp0P6bVkTnmXmDhsT2+ClapeZQIRivgUxAr OHwDddy+RHbV/QjsBjwZoZW3wWWKR2rNxAMSyzn6H+JHplRFxHfvscki9Vi/HcnZNmxh GKPodGjSszSCUIMG9E5XaCxz2seR+PaQJ4mzu5rR/DXvWeNz6huCpwFM64WKQM9lD9NQ 7Xkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuPzSRnfgbp2eTWgxPuK5d/Y5utGtA/TZxMW+7tHbxX6JfCY56CHm2NLDIuqCnMUA== X-Received: by 10.107.28.11 with SMTP id c11mr97344890ioc.7.1470443116425; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 17:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony (206-188-64-44.cpe.distributel.net. [206.188.64.44]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x13sm5909320ite.1.2016.08.05.17.25.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Aug 2016 17:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:25:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87wpju7ngs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: > The point of this bug is that using the Value menu is a one-way > street, exceptionally, in the case of this one option. That's > not normal - why should this option be an exception to how > Emacs Customize works? And if you change the value to short > or long there is no such problem. I thought maybe the point of that option is to hide the button. It's easy enough to exclude the button from hiding, just move that code outside of the conditional: diff --git i/lisp/cus-edit.el w/lisp/cus-edit.el index ef12745..de219cb 100644 --- i/lisp/cus-edit.el +++ w/lisp/cus-edit.el @@ -2053,24 +2053,24 @@ custom-magic-value-create (setq text (concat (match-string 1 text) (symbol-name category) (match-string 2 text)))) + (insert " ") + (when (and (eq category 'group) + (not (and (eq custom-buffer-style 'links) + (> (widget-get parent :custom-level) 1)))) + (insert-char ?\s (* custom-buffer-indent + (widget-get parent :custom-level)))) + (push (widget-create-child-and-convert + widget 'choice-item + :help-echo "Change the state of this item." + :format (if hidden "%t" "%[%t%]") + :button-prefix 'widget-push-button-prefix + :button-suffix 'widget-push-button-suffix + :mouse-down-action 'widget-magic-mouse-down-action + :tag " State ") + children) (when (and custom-magic-show (or (not hidden) (memq category custom-magic-show-hidden))) - (insert " ") - (when (and (eq category 'group) - (not (and (eq custom-buffer-style 'links) - (> (widget-get parent :custom-level) 1)))) - (insert-char ?\s (* custom-buffer-indent - (widget-get parent :custom-level)))) - (push (widget-create-child-and-convert - widget 'choice-item - :help-echo "Change the state of this item." - :format (if hidden "%t" "%[%t%]") - :button-prefix 'widget-push-button-prefix - :button-suffix 'widget-push-button-suffix - :mouse-down-action 'widget-magic-mouse-down-action - :tag " State ") - children) (insert ": ") (let ((start (point))) (if (eq custom-magic-show 'long) @@ -2080,8 +2080,8 @@ custom-magic-value-create (insert " (lisp)")) ((eq form 'mismatch) (insert " (mismatch)"))) - (put-text-property start (point) 'face 'custom-state)) - (insert "\n")) + (put-text-property start (point) 'face 'custom-state))) + (insert "\n") (when (and (eq category 'group) (not (and (eq custom-buffer-style 'links) (> (widget-get parent :custom-level) 1)))) From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 01:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.147044774112593 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 01:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 01:42:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57014 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqd3-0003H2-GC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:42:21 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:48175) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVqd1-0003Go-7j for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:42:19 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u761gBbU011486 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 01:42:12 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u761gAWC006878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 01:42:10 GMT Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u761gA9e023028; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 01:42:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8b9b0728-ce08-4472-93b8-7afa32fd94f1@default> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> <87wpju7ngs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <87wpju7ngs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) > > The point of this bug is that using the Value menu is a one-way > > street, exceptionally, in the case of this one option. That's > > not normal - why should this option be an exception to how > > Emacs Customize works? And if you change the value to short > > or long there is no such problem. >=20 > I thought maybe the point of that option is to hide the button. The doc talks about the "textual description of the state." And `long' and `short' have the effect of providing a long and short description of the current state - to the right of the State button. The doc says nothing about what a `no' (`nil') value means. But by analogy with the effects of `long' and `short', and by interpretation of "textual description of the state" as being the text to the right of the button, which describes the current state, presumably `no' (`nil') would mean no textual description of the current state. That has nothing to do with no State button (which does not describe the current state but instead lets you perform=20 various Customize actions, including change the state. > It's easy enough to exclude the button from hiding, just > move that code outside of the conditional I have nothing to say about how to fix the bug. I only reported the problem. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Drew Adams Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.147046781210022 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 07:16:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57097 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvql-0002ba-RI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59314) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqj-0002bN-Oe for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqb-0000OV-HB for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:44 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59866) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqS-0000NE-Ox; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:32 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1660 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqQ-0007Lw-LP; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 10:16:25 +0300 Message-Id: <8360rel646.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT)) References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) tags 12065 + notabug thanks > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Apart from doing a setq manually, there is an "Apply" (it's labeled "Set > > for current session" in 24.1) button at the top of the buffer. > > Huh? I don't understand how that means that this is not a bug. You've misunderstood what Noam was saying, that's all. > You might not have the will or resources to fix this now, but > this certainly must be a bug. And this is an uncalled-for attack. Are you working on acquiring yet another member of the project who will not want to work on your bug reports? If so, you are on the right path. > If a user can change the value using the Value menu then it > should be possible to change it back again, _using the Value > menu_. What Noam tells you is this: if you click "Apply" after selecting any other value, the "State" button reappears. And the help-echo on the "Apply" and "Apply and Save" buttons is also revealing. > It makes no difference that there might be other ways to change > it back. This bug is about using the Value menu (and then the > State menu). There is no bug that I can see, Emacs is behaving as documented and as expected, since hiding that button is part of what the nil value does. > The point of this bug is that using the Value menu is a one-way > street, exceptionally, in the case of this one option. No, it isn't. See above. > That's not normal - why should this option be an exception to how > Emacs Customize works? Because that's its purpose. > And if you change the value to short or long there is no such > problem. Indeed, as documented. > Using the Value menu to change the value to no should make the > State menu disappear. Period. That's what Emacs does. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 12065@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.147046783210088 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 07:17:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvr6-0002ce-44 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59361) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvr4-0002cS-QZ for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqx-0000QC-TU for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:05 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59867) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqx-0000Py-Pj; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:03 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1661 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqv-0007M9-Gy; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 10:16:56 +0300 Message-Id: <834m6yl63b.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87wpju7ngs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net) References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> <87wpju7ngs.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 20:25:23 -0400 > Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org > > I thought maybe the point of that option is to hide the button. It is. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 16:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.14705012929812 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 16:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 16:34:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bW4Ym-0002YC-2O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 12:34:52 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:16826) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bW4Yk-0002Xy-Am for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 12:34:50 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u76GYhYi004981 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 16:34:43 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u76GYhYv004802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 Aug 2016 16:34:43 GMT Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u76GYf5Z030066; Sat, 6 Aug 2016 16:34:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <99e35d3a-bdb9-4d90-b2a3-ef826170f45b@default> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 09:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <<04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net>> <<2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default>> <<8360rel646.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<8360rel646.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) > > I don't understand how that means that this is not a bug. > > You've misunderstood what Noam was saying, that's all. > > > You might not have the will or resources to fix this now, > > but this certainly must be a bug. >=20 > And this is an uncalled-for attack. Are you working on acquiring yet > another member of the project who will not want to work on your bug > reports? If so, you are on the right path. *That* is an unwarranted attack. Are you working on convincing Noam that he should not work on bugs I report? My point was (1) that it is _fine_ to (a) *not want* to work on a particular bug, or to want to but (b) *not have the time* to. And that that is _expected_, particularly for bugs that are judged to be minor and whose fixes might not be minor. (2) But that, in itself, is not a reason to close a bug. A bug can remain open without getting immediate attention to fix it. That was my point (1 & 2). There is nothing "attacking" in what I said, and nothing ad hominem. Your response, on the other hand... FWIW, I don't have any problem with what I've seen of Noam's work on fixing bugs or his attitude or approach to doing so. On the contrary. And I thank him for helping. I did not (and do not) see how there being an "Apply" button, or being able to `setq' the variable, means that there is no bug here. That was a reason given as to why there is no bug, and to me that is no reason. If `defun' stopped working it would not be appropriate to say that there was no bug because you can just use `fset'. > > Using the Value menu to change the value to no should > > [not] make the State menu disappear. ^^^^^ typo - missed this; sorry > There is no bug that I can see, Emacs is behaving as > documented and as expected, since hiding that button is > part of what the nil value does. I see. I haven't located that documentation. Where does Emacs say that? The doc string certainly doesn't say it. And there is nothing in the manuals about it. In fact, the doc says _nothing_ about the behavior when the value is nil (as the bug report mentions). You can guess, from the description of non-nil, that nil means to not show the "textual description of the state". But that description is the text near the State button, which describes the current state. It is not the State button itself. That is not what the State button does - the button is not a textual description, and it does not describe the current state. If what you say is really the intention, then the doc should say that nil removes the State button as well as the textual description of the current state. Otherwise, users are likely to be as surprised and confused as I was when I stumbled on this unusual behavior, and wonder how to get back the State button (which does more than just set the option value for the current session). Both what nil does to the State button, and how to get it back, should be made clear in the doc. I'd argue that the current behavior wrt hiding the State button, whether intended or not, is bad - user unfriendly. But if you like it, please fix the doc so it lets users know just what to expect. Thx. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:47 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#12065: closed (Re: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again) Message-ID: References: <87muany0aj.fsf@marxist.se> <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 12065 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: notabug Reply-To: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:55:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1579182902-30855-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1579182902-30855-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 12065@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 12065: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D12065 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1579182902-30855-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 12065-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2020 13:54:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1is5bN-00080g-Di for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:54:29 -0500 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:45976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1is5bI-00080M-7a for 12065-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:54:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=QsOM6tJndUVtj0XoY7s7iCsLPfhDaaIGFx54qvi3lPY=; b=NLMZFPyk5j5AAiZxd6Rj6qnvwe LplRUK6Ek2q+nPUiPNKsZw1pS6rwF4SgbUjbgeqTHxtIWMjaGNgJ9ad2Kmj2rpbm23as+9iFx+3DT VcXN0Vx/vvUH1kr1w4rwJaRkGAQids5aehO/ZEFydDIv5jeLg0115eWytJK7/gJC5kDthEtGIvYhS Xv5MLyckvBC7JAS45QWN1bbcKNjLebJmYpv8Dx67psAMWyqKqL90uB+ArfUxvOvaXXvitPgdwDlaR axg+7W+cLU+L+ZM4s4rMd3mEOsq//XYf4MQsxKrE3BhGzY8QTGinYuReaO6XUQxvv9pJh1WRbiYsd yM9/MG4A==; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:51364 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1is5bC-000G9z-DH; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:54:14 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again In-Reply-To: <8360rel646.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 06 Aug 2016 10:16:25 +0300") References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> <8360rel646.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:54:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87muany0aj.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12065-done Cc: 12065-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams , npostavs@users.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > tags 12065 + notabug > thanks [...] > There is no bug that I can see, Emacs is behaving as documented and as > expected, since hiding that button is part of what the nil value does. This was tagged notabug. I agree with the rationale and I'm therefore now also closing this bug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas ------------=_1579182902-30855-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2012 03:52:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42509 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Subaz-0000gW-W9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:52:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34417) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Subax-0000gP-Pc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:52:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SubUG-00010c-Ql for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:45:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:45164) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SubUG-00010W-Nn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:45:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48565) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SubUF-0003Sd-LM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:45:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SubUE-0000x8-Bs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:45:11 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:25875) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SubUE-0000uc-5J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:45:10 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q6R3j7kW031109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:45:08 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6R3j7i2027052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 03:45:07 GMT Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q6R3j6kC023818 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 22:45:07 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:45:06 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac1rqjXR5W7ig9h6Tc6vO6XjMy+anQ== X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) emacs -Q M-x customize-option custom-magic-show Change the value to "no" using Value Menu. Choose Set for Current Session. You can never change it back to another value, because there is no State button. In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-06-10 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' ------------=_1579182902-30855-1--