From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#12046: 24.1.50; Regression: command `ucs-insert' is no longer recognized Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 12046 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 12046@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.1343257026655 (code B ref -1); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:58:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2012 22:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAVu-0000AV-5U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:57:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55163) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAVr-0000AM-9d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:57:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPG-0001zP-PV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:51092) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPG-0001zL-KX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPF-00039O-Ex for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPE-0001yt-DF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:13 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:41762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPE-0001yl-61 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:12 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q6PMoAM6005034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:50:11 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6PMo9ih014521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:50:10 GMT Received: from abhmt103.oracle.com (abhmt103.oracle.com [141.146.116.55]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q6PMo9qP003236 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:50:09 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.179.10) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:50:09 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:50:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1qt9bYo26/RqQVTEiCkthh5aeHEQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) It's one thing to want to alias `ucs-insert' to `insert-char' or vice versa. It is another thing to simply remove `ucs-insert' as a command. That is not kosher. That is not deprecation - it is immediate desupport. Please restore `ucs-insert', at least as an alias, so that users and code that calls `ucs-insert' do not find themselves orphaned. Furthermore, I see this in NEWS: ** `insert-char' is now a command, and `ucs-insert' an obsolete alias for it. No, the latter part is apparently not true. Neither `M-x' nor `C-h f' recognizes `ucs-insert' at all. I also do not understand this, which is the only occurrence of `ucs-insert' in the distributed Lisp files: (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'ucs-insert 'insert-char "24.2") What is that about? Variable? Seems like this is the cause of the bugged behavior: the function no longer exists. In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-07-22 on MARVIN Bzr revision: 109189 vincentb1@users.sourceforge.net-20120722211412-mnq2ih82me0bpuhx Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:32:41 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#12046: closed (Re: bug#12046: 24.1.50; Regression: command `ucs-insert' is no longer recognized) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 12046 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 12046@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:22:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1343258523-2808-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1343258523-2808-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #12046: 24.1.50; Regression: command `ucs-insert' is no longer recognized which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 12046@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 12046: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D12046 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1343258523-2808-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 12046-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2012 23:21:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39740 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAtg-0000ik-1j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:21:40 -0400 Received: from mail-gg0-f172.google.com ([209.85.161.172]:65167) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAtc-0000ib-MS for 12046-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:21:38 -0400 Received: by ggnc4 with SMTP id c4so1331475ggn.3 for <12046-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:14:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RXxeiX0hPLTYkoETbkjQMNRJBbmswR7eBZ3iYZ6aHJs=; b=C57a+uJYU5UmUotXPUghq6nzp1pBPX51kogu7Bzme36A6mOfgMNzO9NHnoxfxIFX46 kI3179K4lhb2y0QjY0ZpWn84RhqyyqKHVs8XOi0i06jTEf3EPf2w3TVEf2Hu/CX9pmYZ pu9EUmh/iVkq5Qe9IKji3xSZQEsYBoBSiArb2LtQYHtGWhbZpmq4lDdFwk21ieyn1jaz nISH0v63G06Q5wHCjEtVsbf57wMMkpSlrQY80ToHsK2KcVCZxTl4bhJMRGujcnZbrCtl FqQygNw6pTKiVDeLuzcCmeRaIF83V3hVL6+e+B8c7FgCoHkimlVgwYEP3CkJXekxc3pV YoGQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.45.197 with SMTP id p5mr179581igm.73.1343258086811; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.142.70 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:14:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:14:46 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#12046: 24.1.50; Regression: command `ucs-insert' is no longer recognized From: Alp Aker To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12046-done Cc: 12046-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > It's one thing to want to alias `ucs-insert' to `insert-char' or vice > versa. It is another thing to simply remove `ucs-insert' as a command. > > That is not kosher. That is not deprecation - it is immediate > desupport. That was a apparently typo, now fixed. ------------=_1343258523-2808-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2012 22:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAVu-0000AV-5U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:57:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55163) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAVr-0000AM-9d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:57:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPG-0001zP-PV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:15 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:51092) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPG-0001zL-KX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPF-00039O-Ex for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPE-0001yt-DF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:13 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:41762) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SuAPE-0001yl-61 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:50:12 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q6PMoAM6005034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:50:11 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6PMo9ih014521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:50:10 GMT Received: from abhmt103.oracle.com (abhmt103.oracle.com [141.146.116.55]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q6PMo9qP003236 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:50:09 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.179.10) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:50:09 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.1.50; Regression: command `ucs-insert' is no longer recognized Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:50:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1qt9bYo26/RqQVTEiCkthh5aeHEQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) It's one thing to want to alias `ucs-insert' to `insert-char' or vice versa. It is another thing to simply remove `ucs-insert' as a command. That is not kosher. That is not deprecation - it is immediate desupport. Please restore `ucs-insert', at least as an alias, so that users and code that calls `ucs-insert' do not find themselves orphaned. Furthermore, I see this in NEWS: ** `insert-char' is now a command, and `ucs-insert' an obsolete alias for it. No, the latter part is apparently not true. Neither `M-x' nor `C-h f' recognizes `ucs-insert' at all. I also do not understand this, which is the only occurrence of `ucs-insert' in the distributed Lisp files: (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'ucs-insert 'insert-char "24.2") What is that about? Variable? Seems like this is the cause of the bugged behavior: the function no longer exists. In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-07-22 on MARVIN Bzr revision: 109189 vincentb1@users.sourceforge.net-20120722211412-mnq2ih82me0bpuhx Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' ------------=_1343258523-2808-1--