From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 25 06:13:31 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2012 10:13:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38461 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Styaw-0006Nf-Mg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:13:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Styau-0006NY-Ae for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:13:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1StyUJ-0003uE-0T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:06:43 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:40672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1StyUI-0003uA-Sv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:06:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53917) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1StyUE-0002v8-RR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:06:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1StyU6-0003rG-8h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:06:34 -0400 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]:35881) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1StyU6-0003r3-2w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:06:26 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1StyU4-0002P3-Am for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:06:24 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:36744 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1StyU4-0002Nj-0j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:06:24 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.17] (port=39868 helo=7.mx.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1StyRW-0001Pd-Qw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:03:46 +0200 Received: from ip-81-210-160-98.unitymediagroup.de ([81.210.160.98]:61883 helo=[192.168.178.8]) by 7.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 587) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1StyRW-0008MT-Jr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:03:46 +0200 From: Peter Dyballa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: 24.1; ls does not support --dired Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:03:45 +0200 Message-Id: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Hello! In GNU Emacs 23 it works to launch it with -Q and a system ls which does = not support --dired (but -dired). This fails to work in version 24.1. = This version is also missing a possibly helpful setting like (setq insert-directory-program "gls" dired-use-ls-dired t) In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll = bars) of 2012-07-25 on Sumac.local Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version = 11.0.11202000 Configured using: `configure '--without-pop' '--without-sound' '--without-gpm' '--without-dbus' '--without-gconf' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dathena' '--disable-ns-self-contained' '--enable-dependency-tracking' '--x-libraries=3D/opt/local/lib' '--x-includes=3D/opt/local/include' '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar24:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' 'CFLAGS=3D-v= -g -H -pipe -fPIC -fno-common -Os -m64 -march=3Dcore2 -mtune=3Dcore2 -foptimize-register-move -ftree-vectorize -fomit-frame-pointer -msse4.2' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-dead_strip_dylibs -Wl,-bind_at_load -Wl,-t -m64' 'CC=3Dclang' 'CXX=3Dclang++' 'LD=3Dllvm-gcc-4.2' = 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/opt/local/lib/pkgconfig:/opt/local/= share/pkgconfig'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. ls does not support --dired; see `dired-use-ls-dired' for more details. Quit -- Greetings Pete It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities = in our air and water that are doing it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 25 07:42:23 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2012 11:42:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38565 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Stzyw-0001hC-Ns for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:42:23 -0400 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]:54893) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Stzyt-0001h2-TZ for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:42:21 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1StzsL-0007Qd-Rq for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:33 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:38668 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1StzsL-0004iN-LF for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:33 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.15] (port=55289 helo=5.mx.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Stzpx-00042v-1e for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:33:05 +0200 Received: from ip-81-210-160-98.unitymediagroup.de ([81.210.160.98]:62048 helo=[192.168.178.8]) by 5.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 587) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Stzpw-00015R-Vb for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:33:05 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: bug#12044: Acknowledgement (24.1; ls does not support --dired) From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:33:04 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <15AE0AC2-7357-4E58-B0E7-F56214D63F50@Freenet.DE> References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> To: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) After putting (setq ls-lisp-use-insert-directory-program t) (setq insert-directory-program "gls") into the site init file (/Library/Application = Support/Emacs/site-start.el) GNU Emacs 24.1 now uses gls instead of ls, = although the correct solution would be to use the system's ls and -dired = instead of --dired. This solution obviously cannot be achieved any more. = And it worked in GNU Emacs 23.4 when launched with -Q: ls seems to be = found and -dired seems to be used. A second problem exists with possible use of the variable = dired-listing-switches. With GNU gls I use "-ahlN" which has to be with = the system's ls "-ahlw". -- Greetings Pete Don't just do something, sit there. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 25 08:02:34 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2012 12:02:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38616 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Su0IT-0002A0-7q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:02:34 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:51353) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Su0IR-00029s-BG for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:02:32 -0400 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3Whvyn4TPnz3hhVf; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:55:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: 7KbGeKIJT+zdn/kAtG7cy1F0G39XBuF/Pz/EszBDA5E= Received: from igel.home (ppp-93-104-157-219.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.157.219]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3Whvym4HRZzbbgX; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:55:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 32B1DCA2A2; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:55:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: bug#12044: Acknowledgement (24.1; ls does not support --dired) References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> <15AE0AC2-7357-4E58-B0E7-F56214D63F50@Freenet.DE> X-Yow: Two LITTLE black dots and one BIG black dot...nice 'n' FLUFFY!! Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:55:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <15AE0AC2-7357-4E58-B0E7-F56214D63F50@Freenet.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:33:04 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Peter Dyballa writes: > And it worked in GNU Emacs 23.4 when launched with -Q: ls seems to be > found and -dired seems to be used. But it probably doesn't do what you think it does. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 29 19:45:44 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jul 2012 23:45:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49511 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvdB9-0003DR-Nu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:45:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33495) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvdB7-0003DI-C9 for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:45:42 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Svd4A-0000ba-00; Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:38:30 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: bug#12044: 24.1; ls does not support --dired References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> X-Spook: analyzer ASPIC Venezuela AMEMB CNCIS Rand Corporation X-Ran: 3}4fx#swzR=~1O=F;o,|w^}NEyfuHVh5AQ\RPBgHrn;R-I&wcsytXx*NcV$b2&j^Hmxlzq X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:38:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:03:45 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Peter Dyballa wrote: > In GNU Emacs 23 it works to launch it with -Q and a system ls which > does not support --dired (but -dired). This fails to work in version > 24.1. Please give the details of how it "fails to work". Note that ls -dired is equivalent to ls -d -i -r -e -d for any sane implementation of ls, ie not relevant. > This version is also missing a possibly helpful setting like > > (setq insert-directory-program "gls" dired-use-ls-dired t) Not appropriate for Emacs, but very much so for your .emacs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 30 14:45:03 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2012 18:45:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Svuxg-0000Qd-SZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:45:02 -0400 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]:48651) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvuxZ-0000QI-AG for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:58 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.140] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SvuqX-0005vR-80; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:37:37 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:60177 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SvuqX-0001a1-48; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:37:37 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.18] (port=58999 helo=8.mx.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Svuny-0000ed-88; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:34:58 +0200 Received: from ip-81-210-160-98.unitymediagroup.de ([81.210.160.98]:50183 helo=[192.168.178.8]) by 8.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 587) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Svuny-0004lG-1E; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:34:58 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#12044: 24.1; ls does not support --dired Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:34:56 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> To: Glenn Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Am 30.07.2012 um 01:38 schrieb Glenn Morris: > Please give the details of how it "fails to work". It reports ls does not support --dired; see `dired-use-ls-dired' for more = details. but produces somehow a good directory listing with file names like = (where the umlauts cannot be found, but that's another problem = probably): -rw-r--r-- 1 pete admin 17 25 M=C3=A4r 2010 o=E2=82=82 -rw-rw-r--@ 1 pete admin 32216 17 Nov 2002 RGB = =C3=A4=C3=B6=C3=BC=C3=A6=C3=86=C3=9C=C3=96=C3=84.txt Maybe I am misinterpreting this message. I am concerned because I had = prepared for GNU Emacsen 23 and 24 customisation =C3=A0 la '(dired-listing-switches "-ahlN") which are only OK for gls. Previously I could simply (setq dired-use-ls-dired "gls --dired") now it's getting a bit confusing. Is gls found and used or is the ls = emulation doing the job? It would be an improvement when GNU Emacs would = also report what it will use to generate the dired buffers. >=20 > Note that >=20 > ls -dired >=20 > is equivalent to >=20 > ls -d -i -r -e -d >=20 > for any sane implementation of ls, ie not relevant. I see! -- Greetings Pete Don't just do something, sit there. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 30 15:00:44 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2012 19:00:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51517 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvvCu-0000mo-6u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:00:44 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:56947) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvvCs-0000mh-8n for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:00:42 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Svv5q-00031e-Es; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:53:26 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: bug#12044: 24.1; ls does not support --dired References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> X-Spook: Watergate electronic surveillance Forte World Trade X-Ran: u/nM/UZ!tYje[K!Z>,)uML'wo_*Sm_ue$@JCb!;eJfj;9G5B}ExBWE:}O:!sNII{Np*#UT X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:53:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Peter Dyballa's message of "Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:34:56 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Peter Dyballa wrote: >> Please give the details of how it "fails to work". > > It reports > > ls does not support --dired; see `dired-use-ls-dired' for more details. And when you read the documentation of dired-use-ls-dired, what was unclear? > Previously I could simply > > (setq dired-use-ls-dired "gls --dired") Why would you do this? It is a boolean option. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 30 15:05:43 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2012 19:05:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvvHi-0000tf-UR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:05:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:57054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvvHg-0000tX-PU for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:05:41 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SvvAf-0003TZ-HO; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:58:25 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: bug#12044: 24.1; ls does not support --dired References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> X-Spook: terrorism MILSATCOM ISEC INS Merlin csystems ammunition X-Ran: k4'?`N|b4M>(x1UB/K+b&G=Ooocog (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:53:26 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) PS If I can summarize, dired is working exactly as it used to before, but is giving an extra informative message that your "ls" does not support "--dired", so it will perform suboptimally, as described in the doc of dired-use-ls-dired. I cannot see why you think it is failing to work. Either customize dired-use-ls-dired to nil, to suppress the message and go back to how it used to be, or it seems on your system you can set insert-directory-program to "gls", which is GNU ls I assume. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 30 17:17:35 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2012 21:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51680 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvxLL-0003qz-FL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:17:35 -0400 Received: from mout6.freenet.de ([195.4.92.96]:52212) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvxLI-0003qr-Qv for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:17:33 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout6.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SvxEF-0006TP-SP; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:10:15 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:57586 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SvxEF-0003Px-Mc; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:10:15 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.15] (port=39646 helo=5.mx.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SvxBn-0002pH-UT; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:07:43 +0200 Received: from ip-81-210-160-98.unitymediagroup.de ([81.210.160.98]:50287 helo=[192.168.178.8]) by 5.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 587) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1SvxBn-0003b4-Pd; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:07:43 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#12044: 24.1; ls does not support --dired Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:07:42 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> To: Glenn Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Am 30.07.2012 um 20:53 schrieb Glenn Morris: > Peter Dyballa wrote: >=20 >>> Please give the details of how it "fails to work". >>=20 >> It reports >>=20 >> ls does not support --dired; see `dired-use-ls-dired' for more = details. >=20 > And when you read the documentation of dired-use-ls-dired, what was > unclear? Most. The documentation starts with: dired-use-ls-dired is a variable defined in `dired.el'. Its value is nil Original value was unspecified So GNU Emacs started with a promising value, "unspecified". It then = found that ls is not right, and it then did not find =96 or search for =96= gls, because "unspecified" was reset to nil. Why did it so? What is the = reason for the failure? In GNU Emacs 24.0.50=20 >=20 >> Previously I could simply >>=20 >> (setq dired-use-ls-dired "gls --dired") >=20 > Why would you do this? It is a boolean option. Maybe I thought it would teach GNU Emacs to use the right programme. = Probably I found this was faulty because the line is commented with a = ";" =96 and no text in my init file. What seemed to have worked once (in = GNU Emacs < 24) are these two lines from my site init file: (setq ls-lisp-use-insert-directory-program t) (setq insert-directory-program "gls") -- Greetings Pete There's something the technicians need to learn from the artists. If it = isn't aesthetically pleasing, it's probably wrong. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 30 18:12:49 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2012 22:12:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51746 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvyCn-000543-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:12:49 -0400 Received: from mout6.freenet.de ([195.4.92.96]:39753) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SvyCk-00053v-6o for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:12:47 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.140] (helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mout6.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Svy5h-0004g3-G6; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:05:29 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:37793 helo=mjail0.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Svy5h-0001vT-CD; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:05:29 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.26] (port=39201 helo=16.mx.freenet.de) by mjail0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Svy3F-0001Fl-Kz; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:02:57 +0200 Received: from ip-81-210-160-98.unitymediagroup.de ([81.210.160.98]:50339 helo=[192.168.178.8]) by 16.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 587) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Svy3E-0006x7-RP; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:02:57 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#12044: 24.1; ls does not support --dired Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:02:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1C81D4D1-B775-4D64-9146-8E9B2AB020A6@Freenet.DE> References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> To: Glenn Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Am 30.07.2012 um 20:58 schrieb Glenn Morris: > Either customize dired-use-ls-dired to nil, to suppress the message = and > go back to how it used to be, or it seems on your system you can set > insert-directory-program to "gls", which is GNU ls I assume. (setq insert-directory-program "gls")=20 still seems to do the job =96 and it silences the report. This "gls" is = indeed GNU ls (8.17). But=85 'emacs -Q' shows the report on ls and = starts the dired buffer with: /Users/pete: total used in directory 1149800 available 159246008 drwxr-xr-x+ 92 pete admin 23188 29 Jul 22:50 . When I execute (setq insert-directory-program "gls")=20 in *scratch* buffer, then the opened dired buffer starts with: /Users/pete: insgesamt 574900 drwxr-xr-x+ 92 pete admin 23188 29. Jul 22:50 . For both cases this is valid: dired-listing-switches is a variable defined in `dired.el'. Its value is "-al" The latter output is from gls, the former from the ls emulation? -- Greetings Pete Time flies like an error =96 but fruit flies like a banana! - (almost) Groucho Marx From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 06 13:55:28 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2012 17:55:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37875 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SyRWa-0003FO-Oz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:55:28 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:56237) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SyRWY-0003FH-S4 for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:55:27 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SyROt-0005XQ-QR; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:47:31 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Peter Dyballa Subject: Re: bug#12044: 24.1; ls does not support --dired References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> <1C81D4D1-B775-4D64-9146-8E9B2AB020A6@Freenet.DE> X-Spook: weapons of mass destruction Steve Case MD4 Abbas Freeh X-Ran: lOjU4FihPFymZmVs]v!cd+(rG~2`H'iC=pfS^zQ?(;,'KS(]1c$CsH->&NUea610A9*'zC X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:47:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1C81D4D1-B775-4D64-9146-8E9B2AB020A6@Freenet.DE> (Peter Dyballa's message of "Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:02:55 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Peter Dyballa wrote: >> Either customize dired-use-ls-dired to nil, to suppress the message and >> go back to how it used to be, or it seems on your system you can set >> insert-directory-program to "gls", which is GNU ls I assume. > > (setq insert-directory-program "gls")=20 > > still seems to do the job =E2=80=93 and it silences the report. As I said. Nothing has changed in this regard. > But=E2=80=A6 'emacs -Q' shows the report As expected. > The latter output is from gls, the former from the ls emulation? I have no idea what you mean, or what the bug is supposed to be here.=20 Emulation of ls in lisp is used by default on MS Windows only. It has no relevance to any other platform unless you explicitly choose to use it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 08 08:06:29 2012 Received: (at 12044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2012 12:06:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41356 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sz51x-0003t7-MB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:06:29 -0400 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]:48324) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sz51w-0003t0-3o for 12044@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:06:29 -0400 Received: from [195.4.92.141] (helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Sz4u7-0004bw-5t; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:58:23 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:52743 helo=mjail1.freenet.de) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Sz4u7-0007Sn-07; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:58:23 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.18] (port=58363 helo=8.mx.freenet.de) by mjail1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Sz4rI-0006ZC-JL; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:55:28 +0200 Received: from ip-81-210-160-98.unitymediagroup.de ([81.210.160.98]:50397 helo=[192.168.178.8]) by 8.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID peter_dyballa@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (port 587) (Exim 4.76 #1) id 1Sz4rI-0005I6-C6; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:55:28 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#12044: 24.1; ls does not support --dired Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Peter Dyballa In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:55:27 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <785A137E-5BFE-4775-831E-BD943E9D7F44@Freenet.DE> <1C81D4D1-B775-4D64-9146-8E9B2AB020A6@Freenet.DE> To: Glenn Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12044 Cc: 12044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Let's say it's solved now. -- Greetings Pete One cannot live by television, video games, top ten CDs, and dumb movies = alone. =96 Amiri Baraka, 1999 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 14 13:26:10 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Aug 2012 17:26:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T1Ksb-0004hL-QK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:26:10 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]:35882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T1Ksa-0004hF-Kq for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:26:09 -0400 Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so777388obb.3 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:17:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=Zm67gfJdqqHmTIS+m2ODcyfhtr0fp9pwHav984qh+L0=; b=SKq6k4+2YULWrGo9kCo6+02sUVFGK63yMaBIRFjOBv5MmGembYa8pOsVODIFBs3j1q SCh7qhkYl6lK0oHllweqipaGFdglVcryVcvMOYPyaWmOGAnXjOh4ry5+7yRcaYLw4R3f opljM/8iy/idP2QgjsnbNF5/VSLviBIz7z7GiX7MkhV74rliwskCLa+qJ4qMTpujQzxl 2nSV1LpiBI+7h+QVlMsK9UO8zhGJDqBNEdO/ChvYLpdMOSBsa9OvGdQfw+spdy0FqWRX b4RmBvIGeXz4oAiRulywGX9oyyDG4u9lttBeXgZVQZWa+hhC+bhkBrNq/aRNMfouShKt xaSA== Received: by 10.182.108.71 with SMTP id hi7mr20313077obb.21.1344964649271; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulysses ([155.69.183.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cp8sm3210060obc.23.2012.08.14.10.17.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:17:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 12044 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 01:17:24 +0800 Message-ID: <871uj9o0kb.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) close 12044 thanks From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:12:17 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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