From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 21 10:38:31 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2012 14:38:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SsapC-00085z-J2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:38:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42461) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SsapA-00085s-P1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:38:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ssaiy-0001Dt-TX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:05 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:40212) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ssaiy-0001Do-Q6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56785) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ssaiy-0002VG-2u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ssaix-0001DW-72 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:04 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:49295) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ssaiw-0001DR-SW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:32:03 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2012 14:32:01 -0000 Received: from 62-47-44-153.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.44.153]) [62.47.44.153] by mail.gmx.net (mp070) with SMTP; 21 Jul 2012 16:32:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18MSs5EdEkMGkDdUBHwhRrDW6W2/YRQjBVSRgtAS9 b1nLK0fPYaD8JB Message-ID: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:32:50 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bug-Gnu-Emacs Subject: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Currently, specifying alphabetic order for output produced by functions like `dired' and `sort-subr' makes that output appear in ASCII-code order. This means that such output deviates from the order expected by users of Latin-derived alphabets like French, German or Spanish and can make working with these functions very awkward. Please consider adding a predicate which makes it possible to produce such output in alphabetic order respecting the language and/or locale of the user. Thank you, martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 21 10:42:49 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2012 14:42:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55274 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SsatM-0008CD-Sc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:42:49 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:45633) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SsatL-0008C4-3J for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:42:47 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2012 14:36:22 -0000 Received: from 62-47-44-153.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.44.153]) [62.47.44.153] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 21 Jul 2012 16:36:22 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX189Zq03/a09GpaaN9AE5quUcmvFpLqjSans9RkyUo sQOkfupqRxhG3S Message-ID: <500ABE96.8060100@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:37:10 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: control message for bug 12008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) severity 12008 wishlist From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 21 12:07:39 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2012 16:07:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55485 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SscDT-0002WJ-9s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:07:39 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:34411) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SscDQ-0002W9-Uy for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:07:38 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7I00E00P0D6W00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:01:11 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7I00D15PTZVXC0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:01:11 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:01:11 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale In-reply-to: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: martin rudalics Message-id: <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: 12008@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:32:50 +0200 > From: martin rudalics > > Currently, specifying alphabetic order for output produced by functions > like `dired' and `sort-subr' makes that output appear in ASCII-code > order. This means that such output deviates from the order expected by > users of Latin-derived alphabets like French, German or Spanish and > can make working with these functions very awkward. > > Please consider adding a predicate which makes it possible to produce > such output in alphabetic order respecting the language and/or locale > of the user. A simple way of doing this goes along the following lines: Lisp_Object enc_str1 = ENCODE_SYSTEM (string1); Lisp_Object enc_str2 = ENCODE_SYSTEM (string2); return make_number (strcoll (enc_str1, enc_str2)); However, there are 2 potential issues with this: . do typical libc implementations of strcoll handle multibyte characters correctly, if ENCODE_SYSTEM happens to produce multibyte encoding, such as UTF-8? . is the above efficient enough, when ENCODE_SYSTEM is not a no-op (which it is for UTF-8 locales)? I don't know the answer to these, mainly to the first. (The MS-Windows implementation is claimed to handle multibyte strings.) Anyone? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 21 12:44:49 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2012 16:44:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SscnQ-0003O2-To for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:44:49 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:42453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SscnN-0003Nt-Qa for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:44:47 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7I00E00RHINT00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:38:21 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7I00E0NRJWG250@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:38:21 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:38:21 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale In-reply-to: <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: rudalics@gmx.at Message-id: <83k3xx1342.fsf@gnu.org> References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: 12008@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:01:11 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 12008@debbugs.gnu.org > > Lisp_Object enc_str1 = ENCODE_SYSTEM (string1); > Lisp_Object enc_str2 = ENCODE_SYSTEM (string2); > > return make_number (strcoll (enc_str1, enc_str2)); Err... make that return make_number (strcoll (SDATA (enc_str1), SDATA (enc_str2))); Sorry. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 22 06:31:05 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jul 2012 10:31:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SstRJ-0003Xm-DA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:31:05 -0400 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:44870) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SstRH-0003Xf-GF for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:31:04 -0400 Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6MAOWrD008505; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:24:33 -0400 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9CF64AE17C; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale Message-ID: References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:24:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:01:11 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4286=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4286> : streams <788671> : uri <1171836> X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: martin rudalics , 12008@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) > A simple way of doing this goes along the following lines: > Lisp_Object enc_str1 = ENCODE_SYSTEM (string1); > Lisp_Object enc_str2 = ENCODE_SYSTEM (string2); > return make_number (strcoll (enc_str1, enc_str2)); That's probably OK for dired'd sorting but not for sort-subr where we need to be independent from the system locale. So better would be to switch the locale to utf-8 and call strcoll without calling ENCODE_SYSTEM (tho of course, only if the strings are multibyte). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 22 11:31:49 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jul 2012 15:31:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57768 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ssy8L-0002g6-Jr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:31:49 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:42786) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ssy8J-0002fx-F4 for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:31:48 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7K00100IOQGX00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:25:18 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7K001LFIU50XC0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:25:18 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:25:20 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Stefan Monnier Message-id: <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 12008@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: martin rudalics , 12008@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:24:31 -0400 > > > A simple way of doing this goes along the following lines: > > Lisp_Object enc_str1 = ENCODE_SYSTEM (string1); > > Lisp_Object enc_str2 = ENCODE_SYSTEM (string2); > > return make_number (strcoll (enc_str1, enc_str2)); > > That's probably OK for dired'd sorting but not for sort-subr where we > need to be independent from the system locale. How do you mean "independent of the system locale"? We already have locale-independent string comparison: compare-strings, string<, etc. By contrast, sorting strings in collation order is AFAIK inherently locale-specific. Or am I missing something? > So better would be to switch the locale to utf-8 and call strcoll > without calling ENCODE_SYSTEM (tho of course, only if the strings > are multibyte). How will this be different from string< etc., that we already have? (And btw, AFAIK Dired doesn't sort, it relies on 'ls' to do so, and 'ls' uses 'strcoll' to sort file names. Only on MS-Windows, where we use ls-lisp.el, do we need to collate in Lisp as part of Dired.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 23 05:03:53 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2012 09:03:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58851 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StEYT-0003Hz-DZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:03:53 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:57780) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StEYR-0003Ht-NH for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:03:52 -0400 Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6N8vG9U016432; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:57:16 -0400 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5D55FAE3BA; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale Message-ID: References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:57:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:25:20 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4287=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4287> : streams <789197> : uri <1172504> X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 12008@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) >> So better would be to switch the locale to utf-8 and call strcoll >> without calling ENCODE_SYSTEM (tho of course, only if the strings >> are multibyte). > How will this be different from string< etc., that we already have? I'd expect strcoll in a utf-8 locale to sort e =E9 =E8 =EA and such close together. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 23 05:41:09 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2012 09:41:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58976 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StF8X-00049j-Au for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:41:09 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]:44437) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StF8V-00049c-Jx for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 05:41:08 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Jul 2012 09:34:33 -0000 Received: from 62-47-50-184.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.50.184]) [62.47.50.184] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2012 11:34:33 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19h3KA2XB1hZKmw/nHDi/aF2yvUIU4esq/pnJ07eI iO7WKIJ/dWtCQr Message-ID: <500D1ABD.40801@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:34:53 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: 12008@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > How do you mean "independent of the system locale"? We already have > locale-independent string comparison: compare-strings, string<, etc. > By contrast, sorting strings in collation order is AFAIK inherently > locale-specific. Or am I missing something? Ideally, it should be possible to specify a locale-independent behavior. But using the locale-specific one would be already a great improvement for me. > (And btw, AFAIK Dired doesn't sort, it relies on 'ls' to do so, and > 'ls' uses 'strcoll' to sort file names. I suppose this doesn't hold for the `ls' coming with GnuWin32. > Only on MS-Windows, where we > use ls-lisp.el, do we need to collate in Lisp as part of Dired.) martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 23 11:41:43 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2012 15:41:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32895 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StKlS-0007k5-Tq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:41:43 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:57340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StKlR-0007jy-FM for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:41:42 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7M00M00DANS100@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:34:55 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7M00M6NDY6ADB0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:34:55 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:34:59 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale In-reply-to: To: Stefan Monnier Message-id: <83wr1uze1o.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 12008@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 12008@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:57:14 -0400 >=20 > >> So better would be to switch the locale to utf-8 and call strcol= l > >> without calling ENCODE_SYSTEM (tho of course, only if the string= s > >> are multibyte). > > How will this be different from string< etc., that we already hav= e? >=20 > I'd expect strcoll in a utf-8 locale to sort e =E9 =E8 =EA and such > close together. Does the encoding really matter for strcoll? That is, won't de_DE.UTF-8 and de_DE.iso8859-1 produce the same collation order for the same characters? If the encoding doesn't matter, then why do you keep mentioning utf-8 locales in this context? The request, as I understood it, was to be able to sort arbitrary strings in the locale-dependent collating order. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 23 11:45:16 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2012 15:45:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32912 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StKou-0007pk-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:45:16 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:63189) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StKos-0007pc-Aj for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:45:15 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7M00900DZKLD00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:38:14 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7M0093GE3QGJ60@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:38:14 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:38:19 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale In-reply-to: <500D1ABD.40801@gmx.at> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: martin rudalics Message-id: <83vchezdw4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> <500D1ABD.40801@gmx.at> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: 12008@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:34:53 +0200 > From: martin rudalics > CC: Stefan Monnier , 12008@debbugs.gnu.org > > > How do you mean "independent of the system locale"? We already have > > locale-independent string comparison: compare-strings, string<, etc. > > By contrast, sorting strings in collation order is AFAIK inherently > > locale-specific. Or am I missing something? > > Ideally, it should be possible to specify a locale-independent behavior. I'm confused: what is "locale-independent behavior" in this context? Do you mean the ability to request a collation specific for the German locale when your current system locale is something else? If so, this is not locale-independent behavior as I understand it. If you mean something else, please elaborate. > > (And btw, AFAIK Dired doesn't sort, it relies on 'ls' to do so, and > > 'ls' uses 'strcoll' to sort file names. > > I suppose this doesn't hold for the `ls' coming with GnuWin32. Why do you think so? The code calls strcoll even on Windows. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 23 11:55:49 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2012 15:55:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32943 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StKz7-00088L-HM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:55:49 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:43290) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StKz5-000889-7E for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:55:48 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Jul 2012 15:49:11 -0000 Received: from 62-47-50-184.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.50.184]) [62.47.50.184] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2012 17:49:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+wJEZaAnqwhNI6exh9UqZQklPB8zhSIQORtJgW6X tgy6d5VDBjjl+L Message-ID: <500D729D.8050708@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:49:49 +0200 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> <500D1ABD.40801@gmx.at> <83vchezdw4.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83vchezdw4.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: 12008@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) >> Ideally, it should be possible to specify a locale-independent behavior. > > I'm confused: what is "locale-independent behavior" in this context? > Do you mean the ability to request a collation specific for the German > locale when your current system locale is something else? Yes. > If so, this > is not locale-independent behavior as I understand it. If you mean > something else, please elaborate. > >> > (And btw, AFAIK Dired doesn't sort, it relies on 'ls' to do so, and >> > 'ls' uses 'strcoll' to sort file names. >> >> I suppose this doesn't hold for the `ls' coming with GnuWin32. > > Why do you think so? The code calls strcoll even on Windows. But how do I request it when calling `ls'? Or, maybe better, what can I do to have `ls' respect my locale? martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 23 12:02:32 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2012 16:02:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32966 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StL5c-0008SW-BM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:02:32 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:65180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StL5Z-0008SG-Hz for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:02:30 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7M00N00EVD5B00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:55:19 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7M00MIDEW7NB80@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:55:19 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:55:24 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale In-reply-to: <500D729D.8050708@gmx.at> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: martin rudalics Message-id: <83sjcizd3n.fsf@gnu.org> References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> <500D1ABD.40801@gmx.at> <83vchezdw4.fsf@gnu.org> <500D729D.8050708@gmx.at> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: 12008@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 17:49:49 +0200 > From: martin rudalics > CC: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, 12008@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> > (And btw, AFAIK Dired doesn't sort, it relies on 'ls' to do so, and > >> > 'ls' uses 'strcoll' to sort file names. > >> > >> I suppose this doesn't hold for the `ls' coming with GnuWin32. > > > > Why do you think so? The code calls strcoll even on Windows. > > But how do I request it when calling `ls'? It works automagically. Or, shall I say, "should work" (keeping in mind how buggy GnuWin32 ports are). On Unix, you can set LC_COLLATE in the environment to control the collation order, but I don't think it works on Windows. > Or, maybe better, what can I do to have `ls' respect my locale? Barring any bugs, it should do so already. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 23 19:37:10 2012 Received: (at 12008) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2012 23:37:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34117 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StSBR-0007s1-Or for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:37:03 -0400 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:55251) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1StSBN-0007rp-MG for 12008@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:36:59 -0400 Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6NNUJlc032344; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:30:19 -0400 Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E044EAE323; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:30:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#12008: Alphabetic sorting respect user's language and/or locale Message-ID: References: <500ABD92.5050104@gmx.at> <83liid14u0.fsf@gnu.org> <83boj724yn.fsf@gnu.org> <83wr1uze1o.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:30:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83wr1uze1o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:34:59 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4288=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4288> : streams <789530> : uri <1173036> X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12008 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 12008@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) > Does the encoding really matter for strcoll? That is, won't > de_DE.UTF-8 and de_DE.iso8859-1 produce the same collation order for > the same characters? The encoding matters because de_DE.iso8859-1's strcoll won't work right if your strings include =CE=BB, =CE=A0, =CF=84, =E2=8A=A2, =E2=86=92, =E2= =86=A6, =E2=89=A1, ... 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