From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:32:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11987: peace and happiness will spread more widely once coreutils... Resent-From: Marcel Partap Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11987 X-GNU-PR-Package: coreutils X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11987@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13427017369120 (code B ref -1); Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:43:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2012 12:42:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49732 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Srq3c-0002N2-H7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:42:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Srq3X-0002Ms-3i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:42:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxS-0005Eg-6m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:59 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:37649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxS-0005Ec-3a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51955) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxL-0002i5-8d for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxG-0005DD-O4 for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:47 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:57565) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxG-0005Cd-5F for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:42 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Jul 2012 12:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [10.59.209.213]) [82.113.106.213] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 19 Jul 2012 14:35:40 +0200 X-Authenticated: #724076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+wSKlsqxawrD5kRQflZvlZuY/ru6kiGK39VgAiyC mvVabqmwpavAxz Message-ID: <5007FF14.9040106@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:35:32 +0200 From: Marcel Partap User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) ..more thoroughly supports the short options -h and -V for --help and --version respectively. Or are there convincing arguments in favor of f.e. *date -h* telling people to try harder asking for help? > date: invalid option -- 'h' > Try `date --help' for more information. #Regards!Marcel C; From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 19 09:07:59 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2012 13:08:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49769 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SrqSV-0002ys-Bz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:07:59 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:35965) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SrqSQ-0002ya-SL; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:07:57 -0400 Received: from int-mx09.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx09.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.22]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6JD1gf0009371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:01:42 -0400 Received: from [10.3.113.102] (ovpn-113-102.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.113.102]) by int-mx09.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6JD1fs8008551; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:01:41 -0400 Message-ID: <50080534.9050001@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:01:40 -0600 From: Eric Blake Organization: Red Hat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Partap Subject: Re: bug#11987: peace and happiness will spread more widely once coreutils... References: <5007FF14.9040106@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <5007FF14.9040106@gmx.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 OpenPGP: url=http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig21D9956842B4876B66BFABB7" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.22 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control Cc: 11987-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig21D9956842B4876B66BFABB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable retitle 11987 use of -h and -V tag notabug thanks On 07/19/2012 06:35 AM, Marcel Partap wrote: > ..more thoroughly supports the short options -h and -V for --help and > --version respectively. GNU Coding Standards require '--help' and '--version', but do not require -h or -V (in fact, is -v or -V the more common abbreviation?). We'd rather not burn short option letters on these, since we risk collisions with future standardized uses of those short options for other reasons. > Or are there convincing arguments in favor of f.e. *date -h* telling > people to try harder asking for help? >> date: invalid option -- 'h' >> Try `date --help' for more information. Yes, there is a convincing argument - future POSIX may standardize 'date -h' to mean something else, and we don't want to get in the way of that potential addition. I'm going to close this bug out, but you can feel free to continue to add arguments if you think you can be convincing enough to change our min= ds. --=20 Eric Blake eblake@redhat.com +1-919-301-3266 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org --------------enig21D9956842B4876B66BFABB7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public key at http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJQCAU1AAoJEKeha0olJ0Nqx+QH/3sqK9glc22vknsRQaDEgFrc pxJer4aQSns/h1tLcFvek5Do2Mm+onpCnzBJHXvBvKQ1fO/Cb9jdw2uffLoocEli NOH2mMjC5OCurNttKR4vWKv7Vn/t70vWH9fLDQPzoOpN+0lnD57Nck059VoRQ7TF ORUvFro2msGrv+lZievygXQOsNl2pCoRgSNxmVQANmoNGWU/QLpHfg6GevXTScMj rYdAQpkGWtbJ93cn9YUt6uJWzvry5jr2hhX5rLyYZGMwgmNwYLthaXefEsX0ccav hU/9VXrEqkA0f9laVjb4p3h9pUamFmxG5dx/iiPHvoAoj2fyXi5ztvUInM10s20= =N74/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig21D9956842B4876B66BFABB7-- From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:32:56 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Marcel Partap Subject: bug#11987: closed (Re: bug#11987: peace and happiness will spread more widely once coreutils...) Message-ID: References: <50080534.9050001@redhat.com> <5007FF14.9040106@gmx.net> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 11987 X-Gnu-PR-Package: coreutils Reply-To: 11987@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:08:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1342703283-11485-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1342703283-11485-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #11987: use of -h and -V which was filed against the coreutils package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 11987@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 11987: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D11987 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1342703283-11485-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 11987-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2012 13:07:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49767 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SrqSU-0002yp-Ha for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:07:58 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:35965) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SrqSQ-0002ya-SL; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:07:57 -0400 Received: from int-mx09.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx09.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.22]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6JD1gf0009371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:01:42 -0400 Received: from [10.3.113.102] (ovpn-113-102.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.113.102]) by int-mx09.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6JD1fs8008551; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:01:41 -0400 Message-ID: <50080534.9050001@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:01:40 -0600 From: Eric Blake Organization: Red Hat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Partap Subject: Re: bug#11987: peace and happiness will spread more widely once coreutils... References: <5007FF14.9040106@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <5007FF14.9040106@gmx.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 OpenPGP: url=http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig21D9956842B4876B66BFABB7" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.22 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11987-done Cc: 11987-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig21D9956842B4876B66BFABB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable retitle 11987 use of -h and -V tag notabug thanks On 07/19/2012 06:35 AM, Marcel Partap wrote: > ..more thoroughly supports the short options -h and -V for --help and > --version respectively. GNU Coding Standards require '--help' and '--version', but do not require -h or -V (in fact, is -v or -V the more common abbreviation?). We'd rather not burn short option letters on these, since we risk collisions with future standardized uses of those short options for other reasons. > Or are there convincing arguments in favor of f.e. *date -h* telling > people to try harder asking for help? >> date: invalid option -- 'h' >> Try `date --help' for more information. Yes, there is a convincing argument - future POSIX may standardize 'date -h' to mean something else, and we don't want to get in the way of that potential addition. I'm going to close this bug out, but you can feel free to continue to add arguments if you think you can be convincing enough to change our min= ds. --=20 Eric Blake eblake@redhat.com +1-919-301-3266 Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org --------------enig21D9956842B4876B66BFABB7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Public key at http://people.redhat.com/eblake/eblake.gpg Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJQCAU1AAoJEKeha0olJ0Nqx+QH/3sqK9glc22vknsRQaDEgFrc pxJer4aQSns/h1tLcFvek5Do2Mm+onpCnzBJHXvBvKQ1fO/Cb9jdw2uffLoocEli NOH2mMjC5OCurNttKR4vWKv7Vn/t70vWH9fLDQPzoOpN+0lnD57Nck059VoRQ7TF ORUvFro2msGrv+lZievygXQOsNl2pCoRgSNxmVQANmoNGWU/QLpHfg6GevXTScMj rYdAQpkGWtbJ93cn9YUt6uJWzvry5jr2hhX5rLyYZGMwgmNwYLthaXefEsX0ccav hU/9VXrEqkA0f9laVjb4p3h9pUamFmxG5dx/iiPHvoAoj2fyXi5ztvUInM10s20= =N74/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig21D9956842B4876B66BFABB7-- ------------=_1342703283-11485-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2012 12:42:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49732 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Srq3c-0002N2-H7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:42:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Srq3X-0002Ms-3i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:42:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxS-0005Eg-6m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:59 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:37649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxS-0005Ec-3a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51955) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxL-0002i5-8d for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxG-0005DD-O4 for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:47 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:57565) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SrpxG-0005Cd-5F for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:35:42 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Jul 2012 12:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [10.59.209.213]) [82.113.106.213] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 19 Jul 2012 14:35:40 +0200 X-Authenticated: #724076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+wSKlsqxawrD5kRQflZvlZuY/ru6kiGK39VgAiyC mvVabqmwpavAxz Message-ID: <5007FF14.9040106@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:35:32 +0200 From: Marcel Partap User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-coreutils@gnu.org Subject: peace and happiness will spread more widely once coreutils... X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) ..more thoroughly supports the short options -h and -V for --help and --version respectively. Or are there convincing arguments in favor of f.e. *date -h* telling people to try harder asking for help? > date: invalid option -- 'h' > Try `date --help' for more information. #Regards!Marcel C; ------------=_1342703283-11485-1--