From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11934: 24.1; provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13421912481022 (code B ref -1); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:55:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 14:54:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SphFu-0000GO-KH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:54:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33070) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SphFr-0000GG-Le for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:54:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SphAK-0005vp-Li for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:48:25 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:51871) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SphAK-0005vi-In for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:48:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45333) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SphAJ-0000MD-Do for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:48:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SphAD-0005f2-Bm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:48:19 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:20051) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SphAD-0005ey-5b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:48:13 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q6DEm9Hv024937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:48:10 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6DEm9VH007131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:48:09 GMT Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q6DEm8qY009323 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:48:08 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.222.206) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:48:08 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:48:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1hBoIvEyH8rTNBS8Sj0g+zOtXhLQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Enhancement request. The functions in pp.el that produce pretty-printed output are used for things like `describe-variable' to produce output that is read in *Help* buffers. The content of *Help* is normally limited in width. The request is to provide a variable that controls the width of the displayed expression, or at least tries to as much as possible. For example, I have a variable whose value is this: (bbdb-complete-name comint-completion-at-point comint-dynamic-complete-filename comint-replace-by-expanded-filename ess-complete-object-name gud-gdb-complete-command Info-goto-node Info-index Info-menu lisp-complete-symbol lisp-completion-at-point minibuffer-default-add-completions read-char-by-name read-color read-from-minibuffer read-string recentf-make-menu-items) In Message mode, where I am composing this, that is automatically filled. But with the pp functions, that value is written with no newline chars, as a single line that is 369 chars wide. That sticks out like a sore thumb in a *Help* buffer that is otherwise designed to be limited in width. It would be good to be able to bind a max-width variable that lets the pp functions know that it is better, if possible, to insert newline chars to try to keep the width below that var's value. I'm not sure what the implementation would look like. Perhaps it would involve calling `fill-paragraph' at various points (`lisp-fill-paragraph' would add nothing here, AFAICT). Dunno. But it seems like we could somehow do better in a case like this than just print everything on a single line, which might be hundreds of chars wide. In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-06-10 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11934: 24.1; provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11934.146185882724020 (code B ref 11934); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:54:02 +0000 Received: (at 11934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 15:53:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53323 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avoGB-0006FM-Hr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:53:47 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59855) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avoGA-0006FA-KH for 11934@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:53:46 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avoG8-0004UH-5n; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:53:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:53:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:48:04 -0700") Message-ID: <87bn4tafw8.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > The request is to provide a variable that controls the width of the > displayed expression, or at least tries to as much as possible. > > For example, I have a variable whose value is this: > > (bbdb-complete-name comint-completion-at-point > comint-dynamic-complete-filename comint-replace-by-expanded-filename > ess-complete-object-name gud-gdb-complete-command Info-goto-node > Info-index Info-menu lisp-complete-symbol lisp-completion-at-point > minibuffer-default-add-completions read-char-by-name read-color > read-from-minibuffer read-string recentf-make-menu-items) [...] > It would be good to be able to bind a max-width variable that lets the > pp functions know that it is better, if possible, to insert newline > chars to try to keep the width below that var's value. I agree. What pp does now with simple lists isn't optimal. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 28 20:01:03 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 00:01:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53754 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avvrj-0006Mz-05 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 20:01:03 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:39408) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avvrh-0006KQ-0I for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 20:01:01 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avvre-00021a-RR for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 02:01:00 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 02:00:58 +0200 Message-Id: <87zisdz3k5.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #14754 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) forcemerge 14754 11934 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 28 20:01:39 2016 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 11934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11934.14619393181130 (code B ref 11934); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 11934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 14:15:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55370 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw9CM-0000E3-GK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:15:18 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:57828) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw9CH-0008VU-OC for 11934@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:15:13 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.217.122.112]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MW6Ib-1bBB4V2hBp-00XNs0; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:14:58 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <87bn4tafw8.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:14:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87bn4tafw8.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2016 17:53:43 +0200") Message-ID: <87k2jg4i3j.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Rmxr6TfPnIH9fSP8B9Ah9CYoeJKfrhjedu1dGQHMpM7yQaiYweQ oc5jwtvgGj7f89mqOxakvaBPG5istc5jgeLisNB0ayrVPuBO8I9nosSqSg+Q0ke3mSnfTKn tWVi0/GIQ/XzF2OOLEGQGMTDl88/kGTplij6YQzba5YgeldLc4weub446UTsVa3mbTLx1mY aZP9oPYeVv8o5c5i97plw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:GiMFtJSVmkA=:Do+8Nt5Ns1ylhlHtoML1jV eV2SNtuD7bp/lkDUWmeuVhEjrPIY5hf9OyaAp2FIIv0j+de8FeED5vAVg5IfuXVuxp5vbkhKr MzL8qDuVKA/cBr0KpqInfMX8N805LICO353zcabrT1MCcVrAPPGypsqaYCbFkbBZyduTQws4u PR1jTlICpFH/QtqRBvnzUv/GvA3cV+u3NmEhS5nq/me97ZbRyDfklo8IkZ69lxvPW/ezIqyRp WIy+uMLgp6AVLUnDh5n9u+fsduCyZCUM7OHSl3iN0EeMCNVMIeeHLYhL1kgEUi5K5xmXG2qYh gwbodUK3t56KtLPPvcVlbyo9lkU8QgYnoNosj2PeFlAw9SMAPleBUEV54MtI50YXgg0vt/q8K YiOJtePFqrblU+DZDb7SukjQV0dRYU30M8C7TXkulgIH1GKw2vDbumlce9I4HIrqRmoG3HPBa mtPwNsfhkxhaRS5GXYoDIboGBboTBRc1RN9v7Q8viSVIb0O8fKo3q2a/qD8lrwUNi7rZaWZai mOXtWX02X5WwI2PIXSRsP/IMIYe+mLVi/W5hsr7VEC6zTkK/X0smS/ayCGwBnqQA3sZVoOKyH /Bc5GEK/g5LYf0/CUIGQg44O586/6rUq1mDdkcdZBw1UYyyBd8wdv0xzYRHx7CK+gpMOzD+qf pQwNPix5SZn4cDQMPymKMKEu7fmEFFsTcT2T8M69c+ue0DZjgAH51oef+p6Du80yE9w8Fhj0+ caEk7kQv1PX7FT3ACQM2NrUW+BvHqQgIB1rJO5gGS2pR5qX4ANPJhoV5PcusJsd8FhL9lzrxe 5Et4HMs X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I agree. What pp does now with simple lists isn't optimal. AFAICT pp.el could be extended easily for handling this problem. pp is currently very simple - see `pp-to-string'. It does just `prin1' (which does most of the work already) the object into a temp buffer. Then it does some simple cleanups: `pp-buffer'. That would be the function to extend (Drew, wanne give it a try?). But of course handling this problem is not trivial: we can't distinguish "simple lists" from code, and what might look good for the first might look weird for a macro call with a special lisp-indent-function value (e.g. imagine a `defun' call with a line break inserted just after "defun"). Another challenge is what to do if we have already nearly exhausted the width limit. Michael. From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11934: 24.1; provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 11934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11934.14619398517315 (code B ref 11934); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:25:01 +0000 Received: (at 11934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 14:24:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55375 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw9L1-0001tv-0R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:24:11 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:56475) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw9Ky-0001tl-Mv for 11934@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:24:09 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aw9Ks-0001Ps-66; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:24:04 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87bn4tafw8.fsf@gnus.org> <87k2jg4i3j.fsf@web.de> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:24:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k2jg4i3j.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 29 Apr 2016 16:14:56 +0200") Message-ID: <8737q47ata.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Michael Heerdegen writes: > But of course handling this problem is not trivial: we can't distinguish > "simple lists" from code, and what might look good for the first might > look weird for a macro call with a special lisp-indent-function value > (e.g. imagine a `defun' call with a line break inserted just after > "defun"). Well, pp isn't really designed for handling code. I pp'd a function at random... it may be pretty, but it sure is unusual for code... So I don't really think that's a consideration here. (defun menu-bar-buffer-vector (alist) (let ((buffers-vec (make-vector (length alist) nil)) (i (length alist))) (dolist (pair alist) (setq i (1- i)) (aset buffers-vec i (cons (car pair) `(lambda nil (interactive) (funcall menu-bar-select-buffer-function ,(cdr pair)))))) buffers-vec)) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11934: 24.1; provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11934.146195188431738 (code B ref 11934); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:45:01 +0000 Received: (at 11934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 17:44:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCT6-0008Fq-0V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:44:44 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:33319) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCT4-0008Fc-NL for 11934@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:44:43 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3THiZ1b001744 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:44:36 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3THiZkt023255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:44:35 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u3THiYk9008125; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:44:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2a94bee2-ec7c-48eb-83fb-690261be3074@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <87bn4tafw8.fsf@gnus.org> <87k2jg4i3j.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87k2jg4i3j.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > `pp-buffer'. That would be the function to extend > (Drew, wanne give it a try?). Sorry, I really don't have the time. But I welcome improvements. ;-) =20 > But of course handling this problem is not trivial: we can't distinguish > "simple lists" from code, and what might look good for the first might > look weird for a macro call with a special lisp-indent-function value > (e.g. imagine a `defun' call with a line break inserted just after > "defun"). Yes. > Another challenge is what to do if we have already > nearly exhausted the width limit. Not sure what you mean, there. From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11934: 24.1; provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Michael Heerdegen Cc: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11934.14619520685929 (code B ref 11934); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 11934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 17:47:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55694 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCW4-0001XZ-Es for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:47:48 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:24831) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awCW3-0001XM-9r for 11934@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:47:47 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3THle86012166 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:47:41 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3THleUX004566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:47:40 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u3THlcrS009658; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:47:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9eca35ee-4253-4560-9406-ba9ac1dc9584@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:47:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <87bn4tafw8.fsf@gnus.org> <87k2jg4i3j.fsf@web.de> <8737q47ata.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8737q47ata.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Well, pp isn't really designed for handling code. Maybe you mean that it doesn't do a good enough job of it? I think it is designed for handling code, as much as for handling data. It just doesn't handle them differently. Lisp code and Lisp data structures are not very different, though yes, we generally follow some code-specific formatting conventions - and pp.el does not bother with those (as it cannot know whether you want to consider the sexp as code or data). > I pp'd a function at random... it may be pretty, but it > sure is unusual for code... It's pretty-printed. And not too bad. > So I don't really think that's a consideration here. If you mean that pp.el shouldn't bother to do something special for code then I agree. At least until/unless we add an optional arg to indicate the intention to interpret the result as code and not data. From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11934: 24.1; provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 11934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11934.146195803427663 (code B ref 11934); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 11934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 19:27:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55812 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awE4H-0007C7-PL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:27:13 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:50709) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awE4F-0007Bt-IX for 11934@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:27:11 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.217.122.112]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MbQLE-1bEzOy2U7g-00Imi4; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:27:00 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen References: <87bn4tafw8.fsf@gnus.org> <87k2jg4i3j.fsf@web.de> <2a94bee2-ec7c-48eb-83fb-690261be3074@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:26:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2a94bee2-ec7c-48eb-83fb-690261be3074@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:44:30 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87vb30jjwd.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:j1u5dk0Isi9LZjflNC5jyN/fTpgI764rUW2rzhTUQpZmeOoTdpv JiEL7zkcZ5ncaimZ+KnGFr79ISEiBG5FbkdhYAvaZIoRRD+tpWEAjgCraxZetYzVxKO41Wx jbHU+5vJ5nrzliNyZyk78603czLn1lW5KUmFJ5TSaIpnK0zQ8t40v1Sr/aWX16wkzBTIWmN f5uswfBO4RqsOKe5NMkFQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:3kTdK6gLXN8=:8ufCT7/jg6+1gw9RCQx8L5 IjisG10RftYubTqbWWsYUKTphSHjzaHnKOSBfnJl3YVgQy7HdthTnmls4jH+pePyV3rO6Esqo FXmO8UJNZLhyA1YLdpKA2b2p21F9O/AJnKgCccgcuX1XtYwt079WwzVBhJRpeYppC5jRifcfo xtL6M5nEngFEUiGNp05I4Rb7P8RFLiYv5f0vR46EepE7fSskL8sbjaNBGcIpTe1FIuMh+EAJ8 KEXG8gz6BWmU8DICpSors6tkD+2rjOy6HPd23U2qUb6Ko9IdQStGueB5exqFGbO6c05Im9s++ 5xV591ydQv96mB1zpdhl7fzgiU+BXsG01C3tUsv3Bjs1XvdwtJ8J8tVMUgh6tYWfaKfPXHU3n aH2pRyBIGF0F5uH2doWG50R63B89B5tQIc3gGtLwwHgG17NBVFGnORUt9SyLmEDGkG3utCzS1 Ok23ZP40m9jIIDBqyJrVI1ufRB/flEtoaGSmP+PRn6EK2WIcM1HO7przqhnzM5fmMBW3C0XaO SYtoFScr+1Ld889UEu0fjESo51pGell4vrQaO0J2k+6uGTuMPz1MLcsEF5IsHr1hurPLE+5/W xHWZKYz9YGkxsa0w58bRBVSsICQKskTsZ++TQEligv4PeKjAvWPF+60i8FPkyas/fA+sNeRmN Ob846sLrqknPtFJLf1FqfdgfdHwig2rWLbm65XDBzzKKzvvELlhe8enKEnYqVKbQ7XzmUXVQ6 OE76tVZTuMlLvAqoSqi7bthSqVO3VvwlkYCXjM/8J8vpEK8jRVozfWqhOIzCm0qik2dhWK9Wz gZA1BLV X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > > Another challenge is what to do if we have already > > nearly exhausted the width limit. > > Not sure what you mean, there. I mean what we do with code that is very nested so that the indentation becomes a large amount of the maximum specified width (or even larger). Then we should not end up with something like e.g. (a (b (c .... (1;limit is here at the colon 2 3 4 5 ) ))) Michael. From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11934: 24.1; provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 11934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11934.146195863528595 (code B ref 11934); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 11934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 19:37:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55821 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awEDy-0007R9-Vy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:37:15 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:44014) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awEDw-0007Qv-Nk for 11934@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:37:13 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3TJb61Q008611 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:37:07 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TJb68x010487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:37:06 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u3TJb5Gq000600; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:37:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <932001b0-e0c3-41cb-ae2e-4518cae41b04@default> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <87bn4tafw8.fsf@gnus.org> <87k2jg4i3j.fsf@web.de> <2a94bee2-ec7c-48eb-83fb-690261be3074@default> <87vb30jjwd.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87vb30jjwd.fsf@web.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > > Another challenge is what to do if we have already > > > nearly exhausted the width limit. > > > > Not sure what you mean, there. >=20 > I mean what we do with code that is very nested so that the indentation > becomes a large amount of the maximum specified width (or even larger). >=20 > Then we should not end up with something like e.g. >=20 > (a (b (c .... (1;limit is here at the colon > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > ) > ))) Ah, right. I think we should try for something at least a little bit better, for now. There will no doubt be room for improvement after that. And things can no doubt get complicated, with various tradeoffs possible. One way to handle tradeoffs, perhaps, is to allow optional arguments that let callers indicate which behaviors to choose, among several whose effects might conflict. From unknown Fri Aug 08 15:18:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11934: 24.1; provide variable for pp.el to control max display width Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2021 14:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11934 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 11934@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11934-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11934.163612245230664 (code B ref 11934); Fri, 05 Nov 2021 14:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 11934) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2021 14:27:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46759 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mj0Bn-0007yW-Tm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 10:27:32 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40016) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mj0Bl-0007yH-MH for 11934@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 10:27:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=o72+qinRzQqjOBrfRNatqZJdTmdkLa7MFflmJePBY+E=; b=GS7KzgJZ6QHa/IESPU2UbJTl4O hm+cs+ZAzxXpW+zL2pMNarsvGWV2iEbvIifwYD0g7BEfzDzH+MOAyNXYwl6KUqplQsA6caXPysmN/ W+OTfslAQ4ez9psr1F9MaouibRxrGODZnaLJkyT4Ll+N3bOGQ64G/fI8t5RSzTqVjjjc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mj0Bc-0005VH-3m; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:27:22 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Django Django's _Glowing In The Dark_: "Night of The Buffalo" Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:27:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:48:04 -0700") Message-ID: <87ilx6k795.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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The content of *Help* is normally limited [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "Drew Adams" writes: > The functions in pp.el that produce pretty-printed output are used for > things like `describe-variable' to produce output that is read in *Help* > buffers. The content of *Help* is normally limited in width. 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