From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 13 09:56:32 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 13:56:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39344 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpgLs-0007Hv-Lc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:56:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49493) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpgLp-0007Hq-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:56:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpgGM-0005f5-VY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:50:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:33161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpgGM-0005f0-SR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:50:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50047) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpgGD-000384-GJ for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:50:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpgG8-0005Sk-92 for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:50:21 -0400 Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.160]:48648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpgG8-0005S8-2U for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:50:16 -0400 X-RZG-AUTH: :Ln4Re0+Ic/6oZXR1YgKryK8brksyK8dozXDwHXjf9hj/zDNRbvY44zMkpA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from linuix.haible.de (dslb-088-068-070-142.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.68.70.142]) by smtp.strato.de (joses mo30) (RZmta 29.19 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPA id n02388o6DBXrjS ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:50:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Bruno Haible To: bug-coreutils@gnu.org, Michael Stummvoll , translation-team-de@lists.sourceforge.net Bcc: bruno@haible.de Subject: ambiguous "stty --help" text Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:53:14 +0200 Message-ID: <9818130.LZZ3PicEYq@linuix> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.4 (Linux/3.1.10-1.9-desktop; KDE/4.7.4; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Hi coreutils maintainers, "stty --help" produces the output [-]parodd set odd parity (even with `-') When looking at the code and "man termios", which says: PARODD If set, then parity for input and output is odd; otherwise even parity is used. it is clear that option '-parodd' means the opposite of option 'parodd'. But the German translator misunderstood this line twice (even after being pointed to the fact that it's ambiguous), as if it was [-]parodd set odd parity (believe it or not, also with `-') Can this ambiguity please be fixed at the root, in the English source code? Here is a proposed patch (apply with "patch -p0"): 2012-07-13 Bruno Haible stty: Clarify meaning of '-parodd'. * src/stty.c (usage): Disambiguate explanation of -parodd. Reported by Michael Stummvoll . --- src/stty.c.orig Fri Jul 13 15:44:17 2012 +++ src/stty.c Fri Jul 13 15:40:47 2012 @@ -583,7 +583,7 @@ [-]hup send a hangup signal when the last process closes the tty\n\ [-]hupcl same as [-]hup\n\ [-]parenb generate parity bit in output and expect parity bit in input\n\ - [-]parodd set odd parity (even with '-')\n\ + [-]parodd set odd parity (or even parity with '-')\n\ "), stdout); fputs (_("\ \n\ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 13 10:15:46 2012 Received: (at 11933-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 14:15:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39437 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spgeo-0007mc-76 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:15:46 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:5820) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spgel-0007mT-CR for 11933-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:15:44 -0400 Received: from int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.24]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6DEA28d001379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:10:02 -0400 Received: from [10.36.116.78] (ovpn-116-78.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.116.78]) by int-mx11.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6DE9xZS022433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: <50002C37.50206@draigBrady.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:09:59 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?P=E1draig_Brady?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110816 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruno Haible Subject: Re: bug#11933: ambiguous "stty --help" text References: <9818130.LZZ3PicEYq@linuix> In-Reply-To: <9818130.LZZ3PicEYq@linuix> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.5.11.24 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx1.redhat.com id q6DEA28d001379 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11933-done Cc: translation-team-de@lists.sourceforge.net, michael@stummi.org, 11933-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) On 07/13/2012 02:53 PM, Bruno Haible wrote: > Hi coreutils maintainers, >=20 > "stty --help" produces the output >=20 > [-]parodd set odd parity (even with `-') >=20 > When looking at the code and "man termios", which says: >=20 > PARODD If set, then parity for input and output is odd; otherwis= e > even parity is used. >=20 > it is clear that option '-parodd' means the opposite of option 'parodd'. > But the German translator misunderstood this line twice (even after bei= ng > pointed to the fact that it's ambiguous), as if it was >=20 > [-]parodd set odd parity (believe it or not, also with `-') :) Pushed. thanks, P=E1draig. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 13 11:46:38 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 15:46:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spi4j-0001UC-1A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:46:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48321) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spgr8-00084W-HB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:28:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Spgla-0007SE-Ql for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:22:52 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:43493) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Spgla-0007SA-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:22:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54577) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpglW-0002qE-RY for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:22:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpglS-0007RO-9D for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:22:42 -0400 Received: from wolf.stummi.org ([78.47.79.60]:46837) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpglS-0007RG-2X for bug-coreutils@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:22:38 -0400 Received: from eddie (dslb-088-074-241-188.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.74.241.188]) by wolf.stummi.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BBA5140EAD; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:22:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:22:33 +0200 From: Michael Stummvoll To: Bruno Haible , bug-coreutils@gnu.org, translation-team-de@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: ambiguous "stty --help" text Message-ID: <20120713162233.2c924fcd@eddie> In-Reply-To: <9818130.LZZ3PicEYq@linuix> References: <9818130.LZZ3PicEYq@linuix> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 11:46:35 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Hi, Thanks for pushing this to bug-coreutils. I never thought about this for myself. > + [-]parodd set odd parity (or even parity with '-')\n\ another (and maybe clearer) way could be: parodd set odd parity -parodd set even parity but I am not sure, cause it breaks with the notation of all the other options. Kind regards, Michael From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 13 13:50:50 2012 Received: (at 11933) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 17:50:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39691 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spk0w-0006vS-C7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:50:50 -0400 Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]:64774) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spk0t-0006vH-Tn for 11933@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:50:48 -0400 Received: by bkty7 with SMTP id y7so2846132bkt.3 for <11933@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:45:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yWncPDIAh6P9mxGMknaenx8gFRHB0OgaxRhbtA0xx/w=; b=QVnrFsptBtRU3HGAFw9sdGKAerfUyegnlueEFRbrvIlOHC8a4a+ZEeTj6hacry4C7J nAwPQIVIS+Z8VLaTX1Y/fmoA6zt+eVSnyN12o8Rt2b10gOmtnDCR/4DJWIs63Tl23mn6 EIDShGV04/d+UNNWyy4y84SfUWigtjtmSfaxOPI8v1x23Ehfh+yy1xc9hftjcLvQWjIN sA7v4ewtlSbGxx5sJrAdpS0DtpZ1Rfh+f+BFthyyv5emLh4PFh20lcAbdf56jFPniN4a tsEYLDXwbwceZ6tuU62nqd9V2evBzc3+Novpu8bckESa3+lkBEi+jEJBwXYeIJ0A8qGf qu6g== Received: by 10.204.13.82 with SMTP id b18mr1478840bka.118.1342201508219; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [82.56.37.183] (host183-37-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it. [82.56.37.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu8sm5103361bkc.5.2012.07.13.10.45.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50005EA0.9040300@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:45:04 +0200 From: Stefano Lattarini MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Stummvoll Subject: Re: bug#11933: ambiguous "stty --help" text References: <9818130.LZZ3PicEYq@linuix> <20120713162233.2c924fcd@eddie> In-Reply-To: <20120713162233.2c924fcd@eddie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11933 Cc: translation-team-de@lists.sourceforge.net, bruno@clisp.org, 11933@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On 07/13/2012 04:22 PM, Michael Stummvoll wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for pushing this to bug-coreutils. I never thought about this > for myself. > >> + [-]parodd set odd parity (or even parity with '-')\n\ > > another (and maybe clearer) way could be: > > parodd set odd parity > -parodd set even parity > > but I am not sure, cause it breaks with the notation of all the other > options. > What about the following? [-]parodd set parity (even parity with '-', odd parity otherwise) Regards, Stefano From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 15 11:07:05 2012 Received: (at 11933) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2012 15:07:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42927 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SqQPX-0006eb-Aw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:07:05 -0400 Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.160]:20473) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SqQPT-0006e9-Em for 11933@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:07:01 -0400 X-RZG-AUTH: :Ln4Re0+Ic/6oZXR1YgKryK8brksyK8dozXDwHXjf9hj/zDNRbvY44zMkpA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from linuix.haible.de (dslb-088-068-070-142.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.68.70.142]) by smtp.strato.de (josoe mo90) (RZmta 29.19 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPA id f04438o6FDrP07 ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:52:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Bruno Haible To: Stefano Lattarini Bcc: bruno@haible.de Subject: Re: bug#11933: ambiguous "stty --help" text Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:55:20 +0200 Message-ID: <1638078.8ExJTKs0k8@linuix> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.4 (Linux/3.1.10-1.9-desktop; KDE/4.7.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <50005EA0.9040300@gmail.com> References: <9818130.LZZ3PicEYq@linuix> <20120713162233.2c924fcd@eddie> <50005EA0.9040300@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11933 Cc: translation-team-de@lists.sourceforge.net, 11933@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Stummvoll X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Stefano Lattarini wrote: > What about the following? > > [-]parodd set parity (even parity with '-', odd parity otherwise) It's correct, but sounds strange, because it suggests that the main purpose of this option is to get even parity. As always, the first thing one mentions is the most important or intended one. Bruno From unknown Sat Jun 21 04:59:46 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator