From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Rob Browning Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.134202956619551 (code B ref -1); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:00:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2012 17:59:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33798 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp1C9-00055I-Ql for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:59:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58981) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp1C7-000559-8Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:59:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16k-0003Qp-1g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_12LTRDOM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:58416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16j-0003Ql-Uk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16i-0003Ck-VW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16e-0003Pf-Ow for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:48 -0400 Received: from defaultvalue.org ([70.85.129.156]:46577) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16e-0003PN-K0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:44 -0400 Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95BB790D35 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:56:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D05214E26E; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:53:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Browning Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:53:41 -0500 Message-ID: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) At the moment, Emacs 24.1 repeatedly fails to build on a Debian i386 build daemon, murphy, which is an actual i386 machine. However, the build finishes without a problem on biber which is an amd64 machine, building in an i386 chroot. I was hoping that the error might be familiar to someone; it looks like this (for both Debian 24.1+1-1 and 24.1+1-2): cal-hebrew.el:815:1:Warning: global/dynamic var `entry' lacks a prefix cal-hebrew.el:819:56:Error: Arithmetic error: "abs", 8.0 make[4]: *** [calendar/cal-hebrew.elc] Error 1 make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... I have attempted to reproduce the problem a number of different ways, without success: - local i386 chroot on another amd64 host - local i386 wheezy kvm vm - local i386 squeeze kvm vm using a wheezy chroot (more similar to murphy) - local i386 host (thanks to Moritz) I'm also asking about the possibility of shell access to murphy. You can find the full build log for one of the failures here: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=emacs24&arch=i386&ver=24.1%2B1-2&stamp=1341453696 and the overall build summary here: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=emacs24 Thanks -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4 From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine In-Reply-To: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Rob Browning Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.134203450727927 (code B ref 11913); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2012 19:21:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33901 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp2Tq-0007GN-Jx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:21:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37621) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp2To-0007GH-Up for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:21:45 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp2OW-00028o-9s; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:16:16 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> X-Spook: e-cash mailbomb JUWTF e-bomb Glock rs9512c USCOI Compsec X-Ran: e%3Q\HC[k65^XPc`naEX!l_2o#id9HVGmF>4~aI,<>mI8&y4VyX319hsQ,5GF User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) No help whatsoever, but deja vu in March 2008 on two different distributions, then apparently never again until now: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00508.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00769.html From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Rob Browning Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.134204388712343 (code B ref 11913); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2012 21:58:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp4v8-0003D1-GR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:58:07 -0400 Received: from defaultvalue.org ([70.85.129.156]:56067) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp4v6-0003Cu-Bp for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:58:05 -0400 Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1FAB290D35; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:55:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7EA9A14E26E; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:52:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Browning References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:52:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:16:16 -0400") Message-ID: <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > No help whatsoever, but deja vu in March 2008 on two different > distributions, then apparently never again until now: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00508.html > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00769.html OK, thanks -- I'm going to see if I can have access to murphy. If so, any suggestions with respect to tracking down the problem? -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4 From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Rob Browning Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.134220197226807 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 17:52:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39695 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spk2t-0006yK-Q6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:52:52 -0400 Received: from defaultvalue.org ([70.85.129.156]:57488) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spk2r-0006yB-U0 for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:52:51 -0400 Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DA4190D35; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:49:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 76E7014E26E; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:47:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Browning References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:47:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> (Rob Browning's message of "Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:52:33 -0500") Message-ID: <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Rob Browning writes: > OK, thanks -- I'm going to see if I can have access to murphy. If so, > any suggestions with respect to tracking down the problem? So it looks like I won't have direct access to murphy, but I can submit requests to run tests. Do you have any thoughts about what might be most effective? This was the original error: cal-hebrew.el:819:56:Error: Arithmetic error: "abs", 8.0 and I can easily ask them to run a build with an annotated version of emacs. Thanks -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4 From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Rob Browning Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.134220223127211 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:58:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 17:57:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39702 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spk74-00074p-QP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:57:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:46622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spk72-00074g-Cs for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:57:09 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Spk1Z-0001Ih-6T; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:51:29 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> X-Spook: arrangements White Water class struggle Saudi Arabia X-Ran: lRg%0g0ttfx{v5,(!Aww/5b#T#e)iI%n,mU-G#M`nNb2tD-~C=S]j$e:I*?Zw.2=yN$Hm' X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:51:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> (Rob Browning's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:47:08 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Rob Browning wrote: > This was the original error: > > cal-hebrew.el:819:56:Error: Arithmetic error: "abs", 8.0 I'm sorry, personally I have no idea what to do about this. Hopefully someone else on this list does... From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.134220516331616 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 18:46:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpksM-0008Ds-Io for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:46:02 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:55979) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpksJ-0008DP-7G for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:46:00 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M74002003JNV200@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:18 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M74002943V6VT10@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:18 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:18 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:51:29 -0400 > Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org > > Rob Browning wrote: > > > This was the original error: > > > > cal-hebrew.el:819:56:Error: Arithmetic error: "abs", 8.0 > > I'm sorry, personally I have no idea what to do about this. > Hopefully someone else on this list does... Do we even understand how this error happens? There's nothing even close to a reference to 'abs' on that line of cal-hebrew.el in my copy of Emacs 24.1. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris , rlb@defaultvalue.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422064731027 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:07:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39735 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplDU-0000GV-Hj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:07:52 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:50394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplDQ-0000GL-LJ for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:07:50 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WYk1l5LXjz3hhd1; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:03:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-93-104-150-219.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.150.219]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WYk0H3643zbbj8; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 166C8CA2A5; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:02:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: I hope the ``Eurythmics'' practice birth control... Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:02:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:18 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Glenn Morris >> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:51:29 -0400 >> Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Rob Browning wrote: >> >> > This was the original error: >> > >> > cal-hebrew.el:819:56:Error: Arithmetic error: "abs", 8.0 >> >> I'm sorry, personally I have no idea what to do about this. >> Hopefully someone else on this list does... > > Do we even understand how this error happens? There's nothing even > close to a reference to 'abs' on that line of cal-hebrew.el in my copy > of Emacs 24.1. Let alone why should (abs 8.0) raise an arithmetic error. That looks much like a bug in the system library. It would be nice to know the actual errno value. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Rob Browning Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422064831072 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:08:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39739 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplDf-0000HF-1i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:08:03 -0400 Received: from defaultvalue.org ([70.85.129.156]:57548) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplDb-0000Gk-BQ for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50C8190D35; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:04:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0EC7A14E272; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:02:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Browning References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:02:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:18 +0300") Message-ID: <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Do we even understand how this error happens? There's nothing even > close to a reference to 'abs' on that line of cal-hebrew.el in my copy > of Emacs 24.1. Right. While I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the process, since that string is associated with Qarith_error (in data.c), I assumed it was probably some code deeper down raising the exception (from either data.c or floatfns.c). Given the fact that it only happens on i386, I also wondered if x87 issues might be involved -- but the fact that it only happens on *this* i386 machine (and a couple of others) suggests the software versions matter. In any case, if we can come up with some suitable diagnostic process, I can ask the buildd maintainers to attempt it, but since I'm sure there time is a limited resource, I wanted to consult all of you in an attempt to test more efficiently. Thanks -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4 From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422066071269 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:10:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39743 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplFf-0000KQ-JJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:10:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:47572) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplFd-0000KJ-Ma for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:10:06 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SplAA-0002Iw-1e; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:04:26 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: 2600 Magazine DRM Elvis USDOJ cybercash ISEC Bin Laden X-Ran: [nL_$Z\~:0k@{=%zMsE|6%/2vW-u;Bm=j959_+>Sx.=Cdu`x*xZ X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:04:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:40:18 +0300") Message-ID: <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > cal-hebrew.el:819:56:Error: Arithmetic error: "abs", 8.0 [...] > Do we even understand how this error happens? There's nothing even > close to a reference to 'abs' on that line of cal-hebrew.el in my copy > of Emacs 24.1. Line 819 of cal-hebrew.el in Emacs 24 is diary-hebrew-birthday. This calls calendar-absolute-from-gregorian, which uses the `abs' function. I assume it's something to do with that, but I have no idea why that function should even be called during the building of Emacs. There are few calendar callers of the `abs' function. Another is calendar-dst-find-data. This is actually called when cal-dst is loaded, so an error from there during building would make slightly more sense. But why does (abs 8.0) return an arithmetic error at all...? From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422072772223 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:21:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39748 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplQS-0000Zn-Is for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:21:16 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:56170) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplQQ-0000Zg-Mx for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:21:15 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7400C005E7K000@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:15:34 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7400CND5HYBD80@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:15:34 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:15:34 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83fw8va2w9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, 11913@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:04:25 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> > cal-hebrew.el:819:56:Error: Arithmetic error: "abs", 8.0 > [...] > > Do we even understand how this error happens? There's nothing even > > close to a reference to 'abs' on that line of cal-hebrew.el in my copy > > of Emacs 24.1. > > Line 819 of cal-hebrew.el in Emacs 24 is diary-hebrew-birthday. > This calls calendar-absolute-from-gregorian, which uses the `abs' > function. No, line 819 is this: (defun diary-hebrew-birthday (month day year &optional after-sunset) This doesn't call anything. So this is still mystery in my eyes. Btw, column 56, assuming it is 1-based, is 'a' in after-sunset. Huh?? > But why does (abs 8.0) return an arithmetic error at all...? Hardware problem or some kernel issue are the only things that come to mind. Running under a debugger should bring more info. And I still don't see how 'abs' could be called from that line and that column. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Rob Browning Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422074282438 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:23:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39753 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplSu-0000dG-4S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:23:48 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:63847) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplSr-0000d8-QB for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:23:46 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M74003005LE5P00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:17:38 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M74002205LEVT80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:17:38 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:17:39 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Rob Browning > Cc: Glenn Morris , 11913@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:02:16 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Do we even understand how this error happens? There's nothing even > > close to a reference to 'abs' on that line of cal-hebrew.el in my copy > > of Emacs 24.1. > > Right. While I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the process, since > that string is associated with Qarith_error (in data.c), I assumed it > was probably some code deeper down raising the exception (from either > data.c or floatfns.c). Given the fact that it only happens on i386, I > also wondered if x87 issues might be involved -- but the fact that it > only happens on *this* i386 machine (and a couple of others) suggests > the software versions matter. Does that 386 machine have an x87 co-processor? If not, what provides the floating-point emulation -- the kernel? If you compile a trivial C program that calls 'fabs' on that machine, does it work as expected, or does it bomb? From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422075412610 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:25:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39757 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplUi-0000g2-Gg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:25:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:47742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplUg-0000fu-4K for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:25:39 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SplPC-0005a4-46; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:19:58 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83fw8va2w9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: halcon Janet Reno Firefly Axis of Evil event security X-Ran: a66XqVJPOLQ2Sn"r7WE"q)i7I#WYGfi+cNrA(!#+yHB]J1~6}k5UV.m&E;OP>.{")jzYv, X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:19:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83fw8va2w9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:15:34 +0300") Message-ID: <3p7gu78o4h.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > No, line 819 is this: > > (defun diary-hebrew-birthday (month day year &optional after-sunset) I put less trust in the precise line number reported by the Emacs byte compiler. :) (I don't think debugging the Lisp level is likely to be useful anyway.) From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, Rob Browning Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422081363503 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:35:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39761 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpleK-0000uR-9x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:35:36 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:37387) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpleH-0000uK-N5 for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:35:34 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WYkdn38gPz3hhfJ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:31:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-93-104-150-219.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.150.219]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WYkcK1GKWzbbgf; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:29:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id C9D53CA2A5; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:29:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: I have accepted Provolone into my life! Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:29:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:17:39 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > If you compile a trivial C program that calls 'fabs' on that machine, > does it work as expected, or does it bomb? It will not bomb, it will just set errno spuriously. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422084964006 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:41:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39768 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Splk8-00012Z-9q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:41:36 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:52988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Splk6-00012R-6y for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:41:35 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7400D0063J2T00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:35:53 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7400CBH6FTLW90@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:35:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:35:54 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83d33za1yd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: Rob Browning , 11913@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:29:52 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > If you compile a trivial C program that calls 'fabs' on that machine, > > does it work as expected, or does it bomb? > > It will not bomb, it will just set errno spuriously. Doesn't it trigger SIGILL or SIGFPE? From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422085794127 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:42:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39772 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpllT-00014W-JL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:42:59 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:53245) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpllS-00014O-2b for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:42:58 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7400D0063J2T00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:37:18 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7400CVY6I5ZY10@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:37:18 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:37:18 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <3p7gu78o4h.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83bojja1w1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83fw8va2w9.fsf@gnu.org> <3p7gu78o4h.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, 11913@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:19:58 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > No, line 819 is this: > > > > (defun diary-hebrew-birthday (month day year &optional after-sunset) > > I put less trust in the precise line number reported by the Emacs byte > compiler. :) This is a slippery slope: if we don't trust that (in a released version!), then why do we trust the rest of that error message? From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris , rlb@defaultvalue.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422091985050 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:53:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39803 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplvR-0001JP-R7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:53:18 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:35272) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplvP-0001JI-Go for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:53:16 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WYl2C1HC4z3hhTj; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-93-104-150-219.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.150.219]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WYl0l4M5jzbblb; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5B2F8CA2A5; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83fw8va2w9.fsf@gnu.org> <3p7gu78o4h.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bojja1w1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: --``I love KATRINKA because she drives a PONTIAC. We're going away now. I fed the cat. - Zippy'' Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:47:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83bojja1w1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:37:18 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > This is a slippery slope: if we don't trust that (in a released > version!), then why do we trust the rest of that error message? Because line numbers are much harder to get right. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Rob Browning Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422093885321 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:56:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39807 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplyV-0001Nl-8X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:56:28 -0400 Received: from defaultvalue.org ([70.85.129.156]:57580) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplyT-0001Ne-K5 for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:56:26 -0400 Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2B93990D35; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:53:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C01F214E272; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:50:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Browning References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:50:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:17:39 +0300") Message-ID: <87fw8v30fl.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Does that 386 machine have an x87 co-processor? If not, what provides > the floating-point emulation -- the kernel? It's a P4 Xeon, so it should have x87 support: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi?host=murphy > If you compile a trivial C program that calls 'fabs' on that machine, > does it work as expected, or does it bomb? For reference, I'd be a bit surprised if there was a really blatant problem with murphy since that buildd is probably used to build a lot of other Debian packages. Though probably not as many as other buildds, since until recently most developers probably uploaded i386 binaries themselves. That said, I'm happy to ask the maintainers to attempt whatever seems most appropriate. -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4 From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422094285401 (code B ref 11913); Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2012 19:57:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SplzA-0001P4-6w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:57:08 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:48913) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Splz8-0001Ox-50 for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:57:06 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WYl6Y05bVz4KK6r; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:52:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-93-104-150-219.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.150.219]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WYl590sqPzbblb; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:51:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id C7194CA2A5; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:51:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> <83d33za1yd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: If this is the DATING GAME I want to know your FAVORITE PLANET! Do I get th' MICROWAVE MOPED? Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:51:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83d33za1yd.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 22:35:54 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Doesn't it trigger SIGILL or SIGFPE? That wouldn't tell us about abs and 8.0. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Rob Browning Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422472739552 (code B ref 11913); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2012 06:27:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40171 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpvpY-0002U1-Vt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:27:53 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:49890) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpvpW-0002Ts-6l for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:27:51 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M75008000B1S700@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:21:33 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M75008ZY0BX8390@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:21:33 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:21:35 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87fw8v30fl.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83629qammo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> <87fw8v30fl.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Rob Browning > Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 11913@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:50:38 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Does that 386 machine have an x87 co-processor? If not, what provides > > the floating-point emulation -- the kernel? > > It's a P4 Xeon, so it should have x87 support: Yes, of course. You said "386", so I somehow thought it was a _real_ i386. Then I think the only thing that will help is run this under a debugger. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.13422474299860 (code B ref 11913); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2012 06:30:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40190 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spvs5-0002Yz-58 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:30:29 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:35723) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Spvs3-0002Ys-Dv for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:30:28 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M7500I00033IY00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:23:51 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M7500IU20FRBF40@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:23:51 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:23:53 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <834npaamiu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> <83d33za1yd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, 11913@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:51:24 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Doesn't it trigger SIGILL or SIGFPE? > > That wouldn't tell us about abs and 8.0. Right, but it should cause the program to crash. However, since the CPU is a P4, I don't think my suggestion is a good idea. There cannot be any hardware problem with FP instructions on a P4. From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.134225373718773 (code B ref 11913); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 08:16:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2012 08:15:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40223 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpxVp-0004sk-5P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 04:15:37 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:59145) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpxVm-0004sY-2B for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 04:15:35 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WZ3Vh0nncz3hhXW; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-93-104-140-116.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.140.116]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WZ3T86SCFzbbmS; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:09:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3EF92CA2A5; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:09:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <874npb4h8n.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83ehofa2ss.fsf@gnu.org> <83d33za1yd.fsf@gnu.org> <834npaamiu.fsf@gnu.org> X-Yow: It's OKAY --- I'm an INTELLECTUAL, too. Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 10:09:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <834npaamiu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:23:53 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Andreas Schwab >> Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, 11913@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:51:24 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > Doesn't it trigger SIGILL or SIGFPE? >> >> That wouldn't tell us about abs and 8.0. > > Right, but it should cause the program to crash. But it won't happen. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Rob Browning Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.134230268317628 (code B ref 11913); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2012 21:51:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SqAFH-0004aG-AD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:51:23 -0400 Received: from defaultvalue.org ([70.85.129.156]:58145) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SqAFF-0004a9-GL for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:51:22 -0400 Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 87A6590D35; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BD42114E0C1; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:45:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Browning References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:45:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:04:25 -0400") Message-ID: <87ehoeqao2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > But why does (abs 8.0) return an arithmetic error at all...? OK, at the moment, I believe the short answer is because fabs() is changing errno which triggers the default clause in IN_FLOAT() here: default: arith_error (float_error_fn_name, float_error_arg); I've been told that this should be considered an Emacs bug because the effect of fabs() on errno is strictly undefined, and so fabs() is within its rights to do whatever it wants to the value. Hope this helps. -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4 From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Resent-From: Rob Browning Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 02:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11913.134249280118846 (code B ref 11913); Tue, 17 Jul 2012 02:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 11913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2012 02:40:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44931 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sqxhg-0004tv-D9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:40:01 -0400 Received: from defaultvalue.org ([70.85.129.156]:59391) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sqxhe-0004tl-0E for 11913@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:39:58 -0400 Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48C0E90D35; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:36:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D18E714E0C1; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:33:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Browning References: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87a9z6ge3i.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <87fw8v5zab.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83hatba4j1.fsf@gnu.org> <3b8venqy86.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ehoeqao2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:33:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ehoeqao2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> (Rob Browning's message of "Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:45:33 -0500") Message-ID: <878vejktex.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Rob Browning writes: > Glenn Morris writes: > >> But why does (abs 8.0) return an arithmetic error at all...? > > OK, at the moment, I believe the short answer is because fabs() is > changing errno which triggers the default clause in IN_FLOAT() here: > > default: arith_error (float_error_fn_name, float_error_arg); > > I've been told that this should be considered an Emacs bug because the > effect of fabs() on errno is strictly undefined, and so fabs() is within > its rights to do whatever it wants to the value. For now, I'm going to deploy a patch in the Debian package that just adds a DEB_IN_FLOAT_NOERRNO() that omits the errno checking, and then uses that macro for the fabs() call. Doing something with a similar result would probably be advisable. Thanks for the help. -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4 From unknown Sat Jun 14 19:12:43 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Rob Browning Subject: bug#11913: closed (Re: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine) Message-ID: References: <5004D4FE.9060109@cs.ucla.edu> <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 11913 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 11913@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:06:05 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1342494365-21152-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1342494365-21152-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 11913@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 11913: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D11913 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1342494365-21152-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 11913-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2012 03:05:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44940 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sqy61-0005UA-8o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:05:09 -0400 Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:52537) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sqy5z-0005U3-1W for 11913-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:05:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0649C39E800A; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c35vFzEerkaQ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (pool-108-23-119-2.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [108.23.119.2]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9FAE939E8008; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5004D4FE.9060109@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:59:10 -0700 From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Browning , 11913-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#11913: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11913-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Thanks for that bug report. It's definitely an Emacs bug. I applied the obvious fix as trunk bzr 109108 and am marking this as done. ------------=_1342494365-21152-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2012 17:59:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33798 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp1C9-00055I-Ql for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:59:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58981) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp1C7-000559-8Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:59:24 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16k-0003Qp-1g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_12LTRDOM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:58416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16j-0003Ql-Uk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16i-0003Ck-VW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16e-0003Pf-Ow for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:48 -0400 Received: from defaultvalue.org ([70.85.129.156]:46577) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp16e-0003PN-K0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:53:44 -0400 Received: from trouble.defaultvalue.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: rlb@defaultvalue.org) by defaultvalue.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95BB790D35 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:56:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: by trouble.defaultvalue.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D05214E26E; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:53:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Browning To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Unusual Emacs 24.1 arithmetic error (abs) on i386 machine Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:53:41 -0500 Message-ID: <87wr2a5gm2.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) At the moment, Emacs 24.1 repeatedly fails to build on a Debian i386 build daemon, murphy, which is an actual i386 machine. However, the build finishes without a problem on biber which is an amd64 machine, building in an i386 chroot. I was hoping that the error might be familiar to someone; it looks like this (for both Debian 24.1+1-1 and 24.1+1-2): cal-hebrew.el:815:1:Warning: global/dynamic var `entry' lacks a prefix cal-hebrew.el:819:56:Error: Arithmetic error: "abs", 8.0 make[4]: *** [calendar/cal-hebrew.elc] Error 1 make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... I have attempted to reproduce the problem a number of different ways, without success: - local i386 chroot on another amd64 host - local i386 wheezy kvm vm - local i386 squeeze kvm vm using a wheezy chroot (more similar to murphy) - local i386 host (thanks to Moritz) I'm also asking about the possibility of shell access to murphy. You can find the full build log for one of the failures here: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=emacs24&arch=i386&ver=24.1%2B1-2&stamp=1341453696 and the overall build summary here: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=emacs24 Thanks -- Rob Browning rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org GPG as of 2002-11-03 14DD 432F AE39 534D B592 F9A0 25C8 D377 8C7E 73A4 ------------=_1342494365-21152-1--