From unknown Sat Aug 16 13:40:02 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#1188 <1188@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#1188 <1188@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Info reader and newlines in dir file Reply-To: bug#1188 <1188@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 20:40:02 +0000 retitle 1188 Info reader and newlines in dir file reassign 1188 emacs submitter 1188 dhruv@physics.utexas.edu severity 1188 minor thanks From dhruv@physics.utexas.edu Thu Oct 16 14:39:14 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Oct 2008 21:39:14 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9GLdAsG032315 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:39:12 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KqaYo-0008Ua-Ei for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:39:10 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KqaYn-0008UO-Pe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:39:09 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48737 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KqaYn-0008UL-Jg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:39:09 -0400 Received: from mail1.ph.utexas.edu ([128.83.155.21]:38260 helo=pcgxmt1.ph.utexas.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KqaYn-0000Xa-4K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:39:09 -0400 X-ph.utexas.edu-MailScanner-Watermark: 1224797964.73664@/B4wy/oDI8H3sY7jLLbq3A Received: from mail3.ph.utexas.edu (mail3-internal [172.16.78.25]) by pcgxmt1.ph.utexas.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m9GLdLs3025105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:39:22 -0500 X-ph.utexas.edu-MailScanner-Watermark: 1224797957.65489@X6tBtwHmx0WpwRzIQS5mcQ Received: from silicon.austin.rr.com (silicon.ph.utexas.edu [146.6.180.81]) by mail3.ph.utexas.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9GLdEXh021038 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:39:16 -0500 From: dhruv@physics.utexas.edu Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:38:45 -0500 Message-Id: <87tzbc9q56.fsf@silicon.austin.rr.com> To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Info reader and newlines in dir file User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ph.utexas.edu-MailScanner: Thought to be clean, Thought to be clean X-ph.utexas.edu-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=1.207, required 6, AWL -1.29, BAYES_00 -1.00, BLACKHOLE_SSAGE 2.50, PH_ONELETTER_HOST 1.00), X-ph.utexas.edu-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-ph.utexas.edu-MailScanner-Information: Contact: abuse@physics.utexas.edu X-MailScanner-ID: m9GLdLs3025105 X-MailScanner-From: dhruv@ph.utexas.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 I built and installed the MySQL Info manual. The manual would show up in the dir node when I invoked `info' from the command line but was nowhere to be found when I invoked `info' within Emacs. I tracked this down to the fact that the MySQL entry in the Info dir node was the last one and that there was no newline after it. Inserted a newline allowed Emacs to "see" the manual and load it up properly inside Info running in Emacs. This might be purposeful design, but it feels like a bug to me: Emacs Info should behave like the command-line info and not any different. In GNU Emacs 22.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2008-05-02 on terranova, modified by Ubuntu Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10300000 configured using `configure '--build' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--host' 'i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs22:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/22.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/22.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/22.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=athena' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -DSITELOAD_PURESIZE_EXTRA=5000 -g -O2'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8 default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Help Minor modes in effect: display-time-mode: t show-paren-mode: t punch-clock-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t unify-8859-on-encoding-mode: t utf-translate-cjk-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t view-mode: t Recent input: r y SPC f o r SPC M y S Q L SPC w a s SPC t h e SPC l s a a s t SPC o n e SPC i n SPC t h e SPC = - d d i r = SPC f i l e SPC a n d SPC t h a t SPC n o SPC n e w l i n e SPC f o l l o w e d SPC i t . 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[2 times] Loading emacsbug...done [2 times] call-interactively: Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer Quit [3 times] From eliz@gnu.org Fri Oct 17 01:28:35 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_NIX1 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Oct 2008 08:28:36 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9H8SVeB031228 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:28:33 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KqkhD-0003Di-97 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:28:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KqkhB-0003Bx-U7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:28:30 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37195 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KqkhB-0003BZ-LK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:28:29 -0400 Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il ([84.95.2.19]:14600) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KqkhB-0002PD-F4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:28:29 -0400 Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.24.3]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0K8V00DDWJL67220@i-mtaout7.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:29:31 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:28:06 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#1188: Info reader and newlines in dir file In-reply-to: <87tzbc9q56.fsf@silicon.austin.rr.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: dhruv@physics.utexas.edu, 1188@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii Message-id: References: <87tzbc9q56.fsf@silicon.austin.rr.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 > From: dhruv@physics.utexas.edu > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:38:45 -0500 > Cc: > > I built and installed the MySQL Info manual. The manual would show up > in the dir node when I invoked `info' from the command line but was > nowhere to be found when I invoked `info' within Emacs. I tracked > this down to the fact that the MySQL entry in the Info dir node was > the last one and that there was no newline after it. Inserted a > newline allowed Emacs to "see" the manual and load it up properly > inside Info running in Emacs. This might be purposeful design, but it > feels like a bug to me: Emacs Info should behave like the command-line > info and not any different. The Emacs Info reader and the stand-alone Info reader are two different implementations of the same informal specification. There's no formal specification of the structure of a valid Info file. So there's little hope for both of them working identically in bordeline cases such as this one, especially since they are written in two very different programming languages. As a matter of fact, they have different features, albeit minor ones. I would also argue that an entry in DIR without a newline is a bug in whatever procedure you followed to install that Info manual. Bottom line, my recommendation is not to try to fix this, at least not now, for fear of breaking something more important at the time when the efforts are on fixing real bugs (of which there are too many, IMO) in order to begin the pretest. But that's me. From cyd@stupidchicken.com Fri Oct 17 14:19:39 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Oct 2008 21:19:39 +0000 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9HLJaNx030000 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:19:37 -0700 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 508F457E194; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:19:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: severity 1188 minor Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: <87tzba6hsn.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii severity 1188 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 03 06:11:19 2021 Received: (at 1188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2021 10:11:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lokJr-0002jm-Kb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 06:11:19 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:41876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lokJq-0002jU-5s for 1188@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 06:11:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CE8m6nXRvW6CAPp0o+dfNj9J6GTKLbsvXc/tuO9pssE=; b=fBDm6zl8OVqECTFZNdXkgNM2SY F2XJb+E1YguiNCnKY5c5aFmwnp8c/Dj4Nhf7Y7ZJrd8KhKIw/RWI8PQU3XMi/hFutUNPnxtxYN8nS rPuCx7ziiUt2jrm53rNRiG+zRHJ80gcY1g1+EgKEMuUkVsDvq8wV8NeiwIyN12Yh2MTo=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lokJi-0000o8-39; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 12:11:12 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#1188: Info reader and newlines in dir file References: <87tzbc9q56.fsf@silicon.austin.rr.com> X-Now-Playing: Little Simz's _Grey Area_: "Offence" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 12:11:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:28:06 +0200") Message-ID: <8735tz45s2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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