From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13408709978539 (code B ref -1); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:10:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 08:09:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk9nY-0002Df-HG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:09:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57061) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk9nV-0002DX-Th for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:09:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk9jM-0003Jn-Mc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:05:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:52007) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk9jM-0003Je-Go for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:05:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53985) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk9jG-0004JY-0T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:05:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk9j9-0003Eb-GN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:05:29 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:51693) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sk9j9-0003Db-7f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:05:23 -0400 Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so2749696dak.0 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:05:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; bh=O5HHgmazCtOa6EbZbkylqhe6adEvk55X4KwwH0qP7Fo=; b=n+ZeSQIzxtOTb/R3KMnWGWtOV2soW94fTsmlygkKO88vf3tfv9YtVdZwDJKw9oGxuh JDgcfW2vIQifMq+8legKkBr13ZjZhHOijQBXDtIzCkWjYVH8L0U9NUfJzQ6O6Q963NJm IphOtfm1nQOUsJBWUWddA1MMs+IPrjJHsmD8iFdKYQxH1WD6dnTkPqG4LVJHvr6hEjuo GG6oCgphGzfIFG0v20vHRoDw43WoB8lJZmpcHqH+w4ufaU64uglKwCsB/vDV4AMrhIIY 30CsKzcLUJ92nowoHS1jd0qnOggqWUZWOdVitu5JKaCrNq8rtETw7jSgy4hHkuXIFHB5 ndyA== Received: by 10.68.213.234 with SMTP id nv10mr4808455pbc.56.1340870720120; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.242.13.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gh8sm1383629pbc.47.2012.06.28.01.05.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:35:08 +0530 Message-ID: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Bug confirmed by John Wiegley. See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2012-06/msg00476.html ,---- M-x display-time-world | Seattle Wednesday 27 June 01:24 PDT | New York Wednesday 27 June 04:24 EDT <=== Off by 1 hr | London Wednesday 27 June 09:24 BST | Paris Wednesday 27 June 10:24 CDT | Bangalore Wednesday 27 June 14:54 IST <=== Local Timezone | Tokyo Wednesday 27 June 18:24 JST `---- ,---- http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 | | Current Time|Wednesday, 27 June 2012, 05:27:42 EDT <=== Time now | | | Standard time zone: | UTC/GMT -5 hours | | | Daylight saving time: | +1 hour | | | Current time zone offset: | UTC/GMT -4 hours | | | Time zone abbreviation: | EDT - Eastern Daylight Time | `---- As you can see, the time reported by Emacs is off by 1 hr. Is there a way to fix it? Also I could take some help with interpreting the value of this variable. Should display-time-world be documented in Emacs reference manual? ,----[ C-h v display-time-world-list RET ] | display-time-world-list is a variable defined in `time.el'. | Its value is (("PST8PDT" "Seattle") | ("EST5EDT" "New York") | ("GMT0BST" "London") | ("CET-1CDT" "Paris") | ("IST-5:30" "Bangalore") <=== Why this ''minus''. Isn't IST = GMT+5:30? | ("JST-9" "Tokyo")) | | | Documentation: | Alist of time zones and places for `display-time-world' to display. | Each element has the form (TIMEZONE LABEL). | TIMEZONE should be in a format supported by your system. See the | documentation of `zoneinfo-style-world-list' and | `legacy-style-world-list' for two widely used formats. LABEL is | a string to display as the label of that TIMEZONE's time. | | You can customize this variable. | | This variable was introduced, or its default value was changed, in | version 23.1 of Emacs. | | [back] `---- ps: I am really interested in local Ottawa time (which is apparently same as NY's throughout the year) From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134087393912834 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 08:58:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33581 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkAZ1-0003Kx-5V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:58:59 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:47197) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkAYy-0003Ko-Ev for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 04:58:57 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.183]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WNFDj5fMbz4KK3w; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:55:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-113-177.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.113.177]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WNFDN2jGvzbcv4; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 02D82CA2A5; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:54:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: Did you GAIN WEIGHT in th' past 5 MINUTES or am I just DREAMING of two BROCCOLI FLORETS lying in an empty GAS TANK? Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:54:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:35:08 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Jambunathan K writes: > ,---- http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 > | > | Current Time|Wednesday, 27 June 2012, 05:27:42 EDT <=== Time now Looking at it now I see 04:54, which agrees with what display-time-world shows. > | ("IST-5:30" "Bangalore") <=== Why this ''minus''. Isn't IST = GMT+5:30? For the same reason New York is EST5EDT. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134087440313602 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 09:06:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33604 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkAgU-0003XK-Pr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 05:06:43 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:57132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkAgS-0003XB-HL for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 05:06:41 -0400 Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so2651602pbc.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:02:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=y2haC9lgUS28+Bk2MQtEe0gR5g/uZZ7wzdDnlWznnMc=; b=SBmw9MZ/VEktnp/PwSVCVQ6r1mbMli1/KAcCu3VqZ49zAKCrDjLnd0AjjGiQZBoCTQ g2Gdp8YAN1iySIq2vh7+en3De/S9kSJV2T0uv7hqjM1ZCnKMgxypRInZaD2H3Yf0fTTv uX1ECOLYEdLedz6PjAlyVBjJKRRUSKAQ5sqn3PyUWG7pmsrxbjh6bdiU0o2X6TlyzMf+ 01IDXldr4Dx6DWNnIxvwpHs3FHzHeobzuuyUh7UcPbckRJoTaZYuk8D2eVR/G/87KZ+/ OUnTpbq0NyMF3jL2niGoZMiK9I4NEA7BkYQfm1e8REOs1BcHBUPUHc+fUwO6JPQosJqk dTYA== Received: by 10.68.136.68 with SMTP id py4mr4863886pbb.151.1340874148518; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.242.13.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ru4sm1513097pbc.66.2012.06.28.02.02.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:32:15 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:54:43 +0200") Message-ID: <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Andreas Schwab writes: > Jambunathan K writes: > >> ,---- http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 >> | >> | Current Time|Wednesday, 27 June 2012, 05:27:42 EDT <=== Time now > > Looking at it now I see 04:54, which agrees with what display-time-world > shows. May be it has something to do with locale settings. This is what I see *now. Seattle Thursday 28 June 00:56 PDT New York Thursday 28 June 03:56 EDT <=== This is off by 1-hr. London Thursday 28 June 08:56 BST Paris Thursday 28 June 09:56 CDT Bangalore Thursday 28 June 14:26 IST <=== Local time. This is correct Tokyo Thursday 28 June 17:56 JST >> | ("IST-5:30" "Bangalore") <=== Why this ''minus''. Isn't IST = GMT+5:30? > > For the same reason New York is EST5EDT. It is consistent but counter-intuitive. It is a gotcha. > Andreas. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134087659819927 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 09:43:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33663 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkBFt-0005BM-So for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 05:43:18 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:37685) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkBFq-0005B8-E2 for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 05:43:15 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.183]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WNGCq5LV5z4KKZ5; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:39:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-113-177.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.113.177]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WNGCV1fprzbcbC; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:39:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id D3D1BCA2A5; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:39:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: On the road, ZIPPY is a pinhead without a purpose, but never without a POINT. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:39:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:32:15 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Jambunathan K writes: > This is what I see *now. > > Seattle Thursday 28 June 00:56 PDT > New York Thursday 28 June 03:56 EDT <=== This is off by 1-hr. > London Thursday 28 June 08:56 BST > Paris Thursday 28 June 09:56 CDT > Bangalore Thursday 28 June 14:26 IST <=== Local time. This is correct > Tokyo Thursday 28 June 17:56 JST You are using the wrong timezone (GMT+6:30 instead of GMT+5:30). >>> | ("IST-5:30" "Bangalore") <=== Why this ''minus''. Isn't IST = GMT+5:30? >> >> For the same reason New York is EST5EDT. > > It is consistent but counter-intuitive. It is a gotcha. It is a fact of life and perfectly correct. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134087788921790 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 10:04:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33692 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkBai-0005fO-Lx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:04:48 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:38511) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkBae-0005fF-Tk for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:04:46 -0400 Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so2715549pbc.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:00:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=S7wNlUe6WOkno+1zrEMie8yk6aHRxB1ur9NjJKDpPcc=; b=fBjWjRyyYXhI5Bjm6jffqJUsG7qMVZ30LgBaSWIFE338aoRsri/iwdPbwGyBtQ7+BB 6ga3xyS2MXnJ4ft6RIEDglBC1n3/gi4ZJZhqbnqZy5uLmdeFfROd4s6fR3D6LnpwkVVG RITD9JkdImYlkXT+cjdhpCI4f4b28nCor/Ig44SQ7GfEs00Jn4np/pLJZ4rngHG1xZT1 f4MDPUykL5tNyPEI2irJTKxoB0AooyRBaZ61LK6Qa0PHE6UvHT6Wbw1h78Z+eIQPzvSa hUZ+uNAjuvFeQeI/IzLqdjpu1jBuC3lVOHFh5AKDleX0CovGYwMmpVWSoBV+EyB4ReRn jcfg== Received: by 10.68.200.232 with SMTP id jv8mr5772955pbc.161.1340877630590; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.242.13.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id na10sm1665992pbc.23.2012.06.28.03.00.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 05:00:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:39:01 +0200") Message-ID: <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Andreas Schwab writes: > Jambunathan K writes: > >> This is what I see *now. >> >> Seattle Thursday 28 June 00:56 PDT >> New York Thursday 28 June 03:56 EDT <=== This is off by 1-hr. >> London Thursday 28 June 08:56 BST >> Paris Thursday 28 June 09:56 CDT >> Bangalore Thursday 28 June 14:26 IST <=== Local time. This is correct >> Tokyo Thursday 28 June 17:56 JST > > You are using the wrong timezone (GMT+6:30 instead of GMT+5:30). Let me see: M-: (getenv "TZ") => nil M-: (current-time-zone) => (19800 "India Standard Time") M-: (format-time-string display-time-world-time-format nil) => "Thursday 28 June 15:23 India Standard Time" Here is the math for this time of the year. IST = GMT + 5:30 NYT = GMT - 4:00 NYT = IST - 5:30 - 4:00 = IST - 9:30 and I expect to see 6:07EDT instead I am seeing 04:55 instead (adjust for typing minutes) M-: (setenv "TZ" "EST5EDT") M-: (format-time-string display-time-world-time-format nil) => "Thursday 28 June 04:55 EDT" From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134087992225715 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 10:38:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34408 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkC7W-0006gi-5V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:38:42 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:37395) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkC7U-0006ga-3c for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:38:41 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.183]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WNHRg2y7kz3hhXH; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:34:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-113-177.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.113.177]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WNHRR3FDBzbd8M; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:34:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 14419CA2A5; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:34:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: I'm a nuclear submarine under the polar ice cap and I need a Kleenex! Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:34:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 05:00:14 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) What do you get from (format-time-string "%H:%M" nil t)? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134088091030458 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 10:55:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34455 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkCNR-0007vC-2o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:55:09 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:56426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkCNP-0007v5-EU for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:55:07 -0400 Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so2766189pbc.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:50:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=cxlEx+cKck/dSsnzIM1W9Oai02W5XlIuxa/zlkMUhkQ=; b=cKA3jV2lugt5nEHNnVELcu8zgAJ3sZVhnO9ZY/S8wq9KVRqo1MICiD6UWKNEZkdrCE 9vn9qE4scJd6485qgQpALkIqOsJYk+L9PW5W5GTAe+J60sf0voUw5Yt5QpPB3vUxihRu NhudxWduss1tE4y9avvYE1dtMu4af7XXmtS3Eui9KXKDWiAu95WbM3xLObYDHVdM+gnB O7dObUMQAjBWFaVI/pIc5XEE/oU4td+NYDB7I0D22/RH2ljJSJFAm757jeYrpOjscTFX aZP6GCXMTaDYfkmEJiX3/0VhEQEn5jjPy0ILEQ1wYcdKW1/192DE7n8raO/G6pWnQbD0 /LfQ== Received: by 10.68.134.161 with SMTP id pl1mr5832215pbb.29.1340880655027; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.242.13.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wf7sm1777986pbc.34.2012.06.28.03.50.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 03:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:20:40 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:34:26 +0200") Message-ID: <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Andreas Schwab writes: > What do you get from (format-time-string "%H:%M" nil t)? => "10:50" M-: (format-time-string "%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S%z") => "2012-06-28T16:19:18+0530" > Andreas. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.13408861848704 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:24:02 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 12:23:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkDkV-0002GK-NO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:23:04 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:41249) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkDkS-0002Ft-TS for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:23:02 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.183]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WNKm41Xhzz3hhdL; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:18:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-113-177.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.113.177]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WNKlq2ndMzbdNm; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0490ECA2A5; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:18:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: With this weapon I can expose fictional characters and bring about sweeping reforms!! Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:18:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:20:40 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) What about (progn (require 'cal-dst) (calendar-dst-find-data))? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134089191217533 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 13:58:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35214 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFEt-0004Yj-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:58:31 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:38570) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFEp-0004Ya-RG for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:58:29 -0400 Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so2959247pbc.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:54:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=N7CPKxBxX4wWgKTTyVPktPauDA62vA5MuQB7liDHpl0=; b=qERO1qkLwMMqZvZ25UzmA2ccG1l7bVap5sgRIsFXIpNPMGtQiGRJrOQiOo6nu1RzI5 RVyJTh7dMOl74Nzaf9Qth7kt/F9exo+rhZYl4WT4xUqg7RdZ7TKs/tBB64gkSdhV/am5 PXCW8iLzetuf8St8hZcDBC9R1sfFTN2czQWtg8IxQ50W8GdSbVxiGwSNC/eNgWBUuna7 PUq9oUuQmHQKPPmbxlccgR2svs2zyfPmjJeZjbnFGe7+LX4V+ULvvJ9f9mVGa/KPVyJd QqT3I+uwfmPxQzwTZ+3oQ7Gcjdi1fCqN/yvtKL+FWF/9mYMc/9lyii5bO576h3lnnZPT IhGg== Received: by 10.68.209.197 with SMTP id mo5mr8077995pbc.72.1340891654709; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([101.63.80.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oy8sm2187004pbc.52.2012.06.28.06.54.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:24:00 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:18:46 +0200") Message-ID: <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Andreas Schwab writes: > What about (progn (require 'cal-dst) (calendar-dst-find-data))? (330 0 "India Standard Time" "India Standard Time" nil nil 0 0) > Andreas. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134089457021392 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 14:42:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35249 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFvm-0005Yy-9c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:50 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:48117) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkFvh-0005Yo-VN for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:42:47 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.183]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WNNsJ6m5rz3hhWJ; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:38:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-113-177.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.113.177]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WNNs34kqQzbbxx; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:38:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4FA0ACA2A5; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:38:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: LOOK!! Sullen American teens wearing MADRAS shorts and ``Flock of Seagulls'' HAIRCUTS! Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:38:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:24:00 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) What about (progn (setenv "TZ" "CET-1CEST") (calendar-dst-find-data))? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134089551922737 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 14:58:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35269 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkGB5-0005ug-EI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:58:39 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:41723) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkGB3-0005uY-6f for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:58:37 -0400 Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so3026861pbc.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:54:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=2nDvIAkgbmfMcZRoQeYuNSphHmvEFdnIGg3Ux/M/gdU=; b=YeTic79JYHivlpqSiq1nv8dBuxkkTyMEf4XxDT7Y3KupWFBTzxMiRaijaU7+OkHu9P U4+j6XCVrzg0WHO7VbejrE9UqJ22lx4mYznQ6CvL5A0S4Dhyvq124zQV86N4vctd+7nj Qi4OTLNKZL09vH/0m3wUWC4kNieATAs7FyrBCn3LPCDuh6l+fS31LqQnl3zuE+lVczJt klXwzcOfRWMl9vP2MJi87Fgn0b1TNN/woHKLoWUqCke38Nb+5pGp+vw04OVGdPnFWh86 086ynB1kpkuMed5MbcBu1CM15GyP2jnGy2E5Dmn/VgQLABfVGTPxsJo7pZygUfHjsL7/ H0UA== Received: by 10.68.240.73 with SMTP id vy9mr7924572pbc.102.1340895263582; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([101.63.80.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jp10sm2335433pbb.16.2012.06.28.07.54.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 07:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:54:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 16:38:31 +0200") Message-ID: <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > What about (progn (setenv "TZ" "CET-1CEST") (calendar-dst-find-data))? (60 0 "CES" "CES" nil nil 0 0) From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134089810026574 (code B ref 11807); Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2012 15:41:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35340 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkGqi-0006uY-0f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:41:40 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:57491) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkGqg-0006uP-42 for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:41:39 -0400 Received: from frontend4.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.183]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3WNQ9F14ZZz3hhZk; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:37:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-113-177.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.113.177]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3WNQ8z5YVfzbcdr; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:37:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 34EDCCA2A5; Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:37:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: What's the MATTER Sid?.. Is your BEVERAGE unsatisfactory? Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:37:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:54:09 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Jambunathan K writes: >> What about (progn (setenv "TZ" "CET-1CEST") (calendar-dst-find-data))? > > (60 0 "CES" "CES" nil nil 0 0) That's your problem. You have a faulty timezone implementation. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: (Windows XP issue?) Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134096224926266 (code B ref 11807); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2012 09:30:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36371 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkXXM-0006pZ-3U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 05:30:49 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:33867) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkXXK-0006pR-Oh for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 05:30:47 -0400 Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so4125988pbc.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=xtdJxh9QOcop9oZBfYWo+ooxysZelZZZ2+XvAG/ddpQ=; b=eWqURyQ7xQUCuuXSTU88VzpNhVCF5vlS7R0jIVqfv17fiSImcZRNO8xHl/Acl9MyJN IWB30kr5bxbvWkR9/LCoxsIgICTmCD8bW6NH6n9bxo2CREdiyYwHmRNWx5usGh83hL5p h961EjK+N5N1RHRhuU6qvzSgqEzwPoS/hnoUtpDoX6CZqkSFPEaykt/sZgnsGhTfTvNN Guvb5dG/AYxo2hSnhVmlH2+BdmIESPtMe1oiihTm/GqLx1IWhGmjwAiusZz3qPVE7oPu 9FxX80X7Cdsuaq3LQUf3gQjiXaI5i86eduZOdwVIZ5T6+1u5dsyUbhPFyjlodgE3Nsjz 6Y0w== Received: by 10.66.75.201 with SMTP id e9mr251533paw.54.1340961989173; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.241.244.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ph1sm4919526pbb.45.2012.06.29.02.26.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 02:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 17:37:22 +0200") References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:56:10 +0530 Message-ID: <81sjdewjt9.fsf_-_@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Andreas Schwab writes: > Jambunathan K writes: > >>> What about (progn (setenv "TZ" "CET-1CEST") (calendar-dst-find-data))? >> >> (60 0 "CES" "CES" nil nil 0 0) > > That's your problem. You have a faulty timezone implementation. Let me replay the same questions and collect data from your system. What do the below forms report for you. I assume the TZ works right on your system. (format-time-string "%H:%M" nil t) (progn (require 'cal-dst) (calendar-dst-find-data)) (progn (setenv "TZ" "CET-1CEST") (calendar-dst-find-data)) With my machine re-configured to use a remote timezone (as below) ,---- (Windows XP/Cygwin) Control Panel->"Date and Time" | | (GMT-5:00) Eastern Time (US and Canada) and | Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving changes turned ON | | I also have my "Internet Time" automatically synchronize with | time.windows.com time server. `---- I see that the correct remote time is reported. It is difficult to digest an argument that a widely used enterprise system such as Windows XP has an obviously buggy implementation. It is quite possible that Emacs is using the platform APIs in wrong manner. What library call (dll library) that Emacs uses to fetch time info? From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: (Windows XP issue?) Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134096612631881 (code B ref 11807); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2012 10:35:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36452 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkYXt-0008I8-Lm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:35:26 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:43646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkYXq-0008Hz-IF for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:35:24 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M6D00M00JSR9H00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:31:03 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M6D00MXHJVR1N40@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:31:03 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:31:03 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <81sjdewjt9.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83pq8i76l4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> <81sjdewjt9.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Jambunathan K > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 14:56:10 +0530 > Cc: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org > > Andreas Schwab writes: > > > Jambunathan K writes: > > > >>> What about (progn (setenv "TZ" "CET-1CEST") (calendar-dst-find-data))? > >> > >> (60 0 "CES" "CES" nil nil 0 0) > > > > That's your problem. You have a faulty timezone implementation. I don't think the MS-Windows version of tzset supports TZ values such as CET-1CEST. The time-zone strings it supports need to be 3-letter, not 4-letter. See this thread for more: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-10/msg00991.html Since the original report didn't mention CET-1CEST, the results above might not be relevant to the original problem at all. FWIW, times displayed by display-time-world on my XP SP3 box coincide with what http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 shows for the respective cities. This is with today's trunk. So maybe your system's MSVCRT.DLL needs to be updated wrt the timezone information (see below). > With my machine re-configured to use a remote timezone (as below) > > ,---- (Windows XP/Cygwin) Control Panel->"Date and Time" > | > | (GMT-5:00) Eastern Time (US and Canada) and > | Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving changes turned ON > | > | I also have my "Internet Time" automatically synchronize with > | time.windows.com time server. > `---- In what build of Emacs was the original problem detected? What is the value of 'system-configuration' and 'system-configuration-options' in that build? And which Emacs version is that? You didn't say all that in your original report, AFAICT. If the problem is not in the Windows native (MinGW or MSVC) build of Emacs, then all I write here is irrelevant. > It is difficult to digest an argument that a widely used enterprise > system such as Windows XP has an obviously buggy implementation. It is > quite possible that Emacs is using the platform APIs in wrong manner. > > What library call (dll library) that Emacs uses to fetch time info? If you are using a Cygwin build of Emacs, the information comes from newlib, and you should ask this question on the Cygwin list; disregard all I said in that case. If you are using the native Windows build, then the information comes from MSVCRT.DLL, the Microsoft C runtime library. It is known that _tzset and related time functions in MSVCRT implement only a subset of possible time-zone names, and they do the time-zone calculations in a simplistic manner, separately from a much more complete implementation in the Win32 APIs, such as GetTimeZoneInformation, which is used by the OS itself for displaying local time. There's an entry in etc/PROBLEMS about that, search for "timezone". In addition, depending on the system updates installed on your machine, it is possible that the latest updates for MSVCRT need to be installed to account for the change in US timezones a few years ago, when they switched from fixed dates for DST change to rule-based dates. Volunteers are welcome to write a custom implementation of _tzset that uses those APIs. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: (Windows XP issue?) Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.1340966686345 (code B ref 11807); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:45:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2012 10:44:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36484 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkYgv-00005W-Jo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:44:45 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com ([209.85.210.44]:55643) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkYgt-00005O-4F for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:44:44 -0400 Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so4047593dac.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:40:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=16okSUBMU7z0N2Z7bLXnPhRnK5jhx2nG0EyAInmQEdE=; b=FxWrYiqmHebYSBt+c3nG6z7m6ccqigAorcTh0XsdhywQ/lr5HbUiLuZ26ubRhXujMO 8muQ+5cgPFRzoSW4XjLO10e71OXgw8HvUMlqEK4dk1TIrz/2FVvS0qMfbEYEN8eS1Dqo 78k7PkDEHpgj1QzMIb8VJ+VJDldCLlxyCqe4nUwbspgC/D3cpsIXkmLYXxOJbc4VZtVk TVa8qkJsRmuGCs1dVFcNfbWGn2gGuSU6Y5qoLd2t7P7YjiRnqG/wl0f8P6upLQFVg4aL 09NpX0Ohiovo5obI5aBA+cnh53na9XqER9vF2bK7PTShhJi/i9weJAv+qTY5y39In2R3 fvew== Received: by 10.68.231.10 with SMTP id tc10mr5651154pbc.107.1340966423946; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.241.244.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tq4sm5101650pbc.11.2012.06.29.03.40.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 03:40:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> <81sjdewjt9.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83pq8i76l4.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 16:10:04 +0530 In-Reply-To: <83pq8i76l4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:31:03 +0300") Message-ID: <81hatuwge3.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: > In what build of Emacs was the original problem detected? What is the > value of 'system-configuration' and 'system-configuration-options' in > that build? And which Emacs version is that? You didn't say all that > in your original report, AFAICT. > > If the problem is not in the Windows native (MinGW or MSVC) build of > Emacs, then all I write here is irrelevant. Sorry about this. I didn't anticipate that this problem will turn out to be platform-specific. Here is what report-emacs-bug generates. ps: I haven't looked at the contents of your and other referenced posts yet. In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-06-02 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENG value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: (Windows XP issue?) Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 03:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, Jambunathan K , 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134102774120905 (code B ref 11807); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 03:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2012 03:42:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38140 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkoZg-0005R7-PG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:42:21 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:34680) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkoZe-0005Qz-2J for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:42:19 -0400 Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so5098036pbc.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=AgYVLCecUFoXr6jkskikBGBlzKBE/XbdNwAqzT3eHvM=; b=xUy9zgACG8WQxNqIMbVoPdKJC+HfUf8+2M4+FlF2eXz8m139N2xOZbwR7T94RYSedI PZHsRwuOuLjKuw8pXk/cafqchBWK4ZCUVTLPXFYLGoVNvyRHk6vBR+7OlwI2eQfnQxlz gqWwjU5Fxo/paa3/o7jXl+jMGhWishwZ2vCF61u1r8hRB8WYh4/bcV+EyfHFbnPVSgKp iKE/YwAsfCcT73YCZq1M17CtmhetJG8X9TF2YSTAHZkvVZj4exrLr+Q2jMrl6pmlKpb6 7k+ygcXNTgtmue0iLFLJgWOdcc+OMmdRJ/fwUf5aMjyf3y758RyCH32t82YH7HCml8G3 /ZWg== Received: by 10.68.226.102 with SMTP id rr6mr12045085pbc.99.1341027476240; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([180.75.123.16]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ph1sm7208728pbb.45.2012.06.29.20.37.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDC0C1731; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:43 +0800 (MYT) From: Jason Rumney References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> <81sjdewjt9.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83pq8i76l4.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:43 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83pq8i76l4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:31:03 +0300") Message-ID: <871ukx4ghk.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I don't think the MS-Windows version of tzset supports TZ values such > as CET-1CEST. The time-zone strings it supports need to be 3-letter, > not 4-letter. See this thread for more: That may be an issue for that particular timezone string, but I think the issue is deeper than that. From my recollection, Windows always applies the timezone rules configured in the system control panel, it only partially supports TZ environment variables for overriding those. More precisely, Windows itself does not support the TZ variable at all, the C runtime library does, but retains calls into the Windows system library for information that is missing from the TZ variable such as DST start/end dates (which do not exist for K Jambunathan's locale, so DST is never applied on his machine). From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: (Windows XP issue?) Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jason Rumney Cc: Eli Zaretskii , schwab@linux-m68k.org, 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.134103527931826 (code B ref 11807); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 05:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2012 05:47:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38297 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkqXH-0008HH-2U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:47:59 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com ([209.85.210.44]:63695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SkqXF-0008HA-8R for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:47:58 -0400 Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so5024078dac.3 for <11807@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:43:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=4FvbVJlj0MFgnK8jK/kfCj/X7J9UQEFyy5pAgVv2/Fc=; b=qhNYuGIns5DbaVUzFjcPLKqcj4pZbQMsyxSS/gXoE8haw9uU7kBPsGUzi0whMiNaAZ i+1MG8tEggL/BPZMbOV7m/oOccq6slQnoe5mx22jy8Z0dVSoCk1984OcMUEMA5q9jddO OvtQp0KEXAGmkOzfyGNdVHN+PXxW4G2bNr6Px+lj9QgplgdP8+418Rs0LCPSfd8VZFYO JGJIlZoeM2VxGYtlRnJPW/gv+9Iz9yYu3Ar1Du7dI3RSna9KPlbrP80+ehRpe94AJt8b O59qt6t80DDoSMQflDHSHBNaf/dvBZF1ydUkoBGOG1YietXDpgup/dEvtvqtpTiulsYC PAyQ== Received: by 10.66.76.37 with SMTP id h5mr5729503paw.42.1341035014901; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([101.63.116.0]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qi8sm7445251pbc.36.2012.06.29.22.43.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> <81sjdewjt9.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83pq8i76l4.fsf@gnu.org> <871ukx4ghk.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:13:08 +0530 In-Reply-To: <871ukx4ghk.fsf@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:37:43 +0800") Message-ID: <817gup5p8z.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Jason Rumney writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> I don't think the MS-Windows version of tzset supports TZ values such >> as CET-1CEST. The time-zone strings it supports need to be 3-letter, >> not 4-letter. See this thread for more: > > That may be an issue for that particular timezone string, but I think > the issue is deeper than that. From my recollection, Windows always > applies the timezone rules configured in the system control panel, > it only partially supports TZ environment variables for overriding > those. More precisely, Windows itself does not support the TZ variable > at all, the C runtime library does, but retains calls into the Windows > system library for information that is missing from the TZ variable such > as DST start/end dates (which do not exist for K Jambunathan's locale, > so DST is never applied on his machine). Till such time as a right fix is found, the command has to be either selectively disabled or a warning issued to the user saying that some sort of DST adjustment might have to be made by the user himself. Having a command report incorrect values is not a good idea. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11807: (Windows XP issue?) Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 06:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11807 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, 11807@debbugs.gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11807-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11807.13410370761903 (code B ref 11807); Sat, 30 Jun 2012 06:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 11807) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2012 06:17:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38322 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Skr0F-0000Uc-Ny for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:17:55 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:47263) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Skr0D-0000UV-8x for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:17:54 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M6F005002I8OH00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 11807@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:13:30 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M6F005CM2MHNS30@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:13:30 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:13:19 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <817gup5p8z.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83a9zl72f4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> <814npvkdwo.fsf@gmail.com> <81k3yrn4cx.fsf@gmail.com> <81a9znn20v.fsf@gmail.com> <81pq8jbkzr.fsf@gmail.com> <81hatvbi7i.fsf@gmail.com> <81sjdewjt9.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83pq8i76l4.fsf@gnu.org> <871ukx4ghk.fsf@gnu.org> <817gup5p8z.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Jambunathan K > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , schwab@linux-m68k.org, 11807@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:13:08 +0530 > > Till such time as a right fix is found, the command has to be either > selectively disabled or a warning issued to the user saying that some > sort of DST adjustment might have to be made by the user himself. It works fine on my XP system. If you can find out why it doesn't on yours, or confirm Jason's suspicion that it misbehaves on any Windows box set for a timezone without DST rules, please do. Failing that, you are free not to use that command. It's a toy command, anyway, IMO. But disabling a command that works for many users sounds too drastic to me. > Having a command report incorrect values is not a good idea. Patches are more than welcome. Thanks in advance. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 30 14:14:08 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2012 18:14:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39478 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl2BL-0004GN-NR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:14:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:42406) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl2BI-0004G7-Or for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:14:06 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sl271-0000rH-FL for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:09:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:09:39 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 11807 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) reassign 11807 emacs,w32 severity 11807 minor From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 24 12:12:22 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2012 16:12:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59780 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TR3Z7-0002EO-Oy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:12:22 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:46834 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TR3Z5-0002EI-Pr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:12:20 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TR3XA-0003HQ-W2 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:10:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:10:20 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 11807 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) merge 11281 11807 From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Jambunathan K Subject: bug#11807: closed (Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST) Message-ID: References: <87666myksj.fsf@gmail.com> <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 11807 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs,w32 Reply-To: 11807@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:59:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1384487943-31404-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1384487943-31404-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST which was filed against the emacs,w32 package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 11807@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 11807: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D11807 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1384487943-31404-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 11807-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2013 03:58:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53013 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhAXq-00089A-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:58:10 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com ([209.85.192.175]:48608) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhAXo-00088s-1X for 11807-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:58:08 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id w10so813509pde.6 for <11807-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:58:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=dyekP9qC2iuOMIoxMdFwW96mZe0oKqw2mRrHzKPN5Q4=; b=TN9CvQqZJSfRSk4Ac1H41rYbYtco1/3OOn2esJ63XfWCAoFwcqGzj35MxMktA8Flph w9hr6ac9fnCTvNEaY6vJdUlR+BV1hV1r5OD3u+EIqJhVn5LKL1B2HmpKJmnqutUZAe2I /woJHoiTTgexb+9hhEMkVkFMKsNakAAfbHUySrjvCO8Ooc2qdhyDKaL8yjwp/9ST3Dgu RB5Pg44NnZOWHMmAnsqPPr1i1ELAYCWyUK+sLvKlH09jSmEfesApNuvUGMtaMtJgxD33 fDKXpAM2fssMLffG6BgOyViqYbskQihNSimVDOAQGQxQByV8bT0qWbg9LQkcKHzZ5ZDL zPcg== X-Received: by 10.66.250.129 with SMTP id zc1mr4760000pac.153.1384487882261; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.165.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id go4sm1210163pbb.15.2013.11.14.19.58.00 for <11807-done@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: 11807-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 06:00:52 +0530 In-Reply-To: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:35:08 +0530") Message-ID: <87666myksj.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2012-06/msg00476.html ,---- M-x display-time-world | Seattle Wednesday 27 June 01:24 PDT | New York Wednesday 27 June 04:24 EDT <=== Off by 1 hr | London Wednesday 27 June 09:24 BST | Paris Wednesday 27 June 10:24 CDT | Bangalore Wednesday 27 June 14:54 IST <=== Local Timezone | Tokyo Wednesday 27 June 18:24 JST `---- ,---- http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179 | | Current Time|Wednesday, 27 June 2012, 05:27:42 EDT <=== Time now | | | Standard time zone: | UTC/GMT -5 hours | | | Daylight saving time: | +1 hour | | | Current time zone offset: | UTC/GMT -4 hours | | | Time zone abbreviation: | EDT - Eastern Daylight Time | `---- As you can see, the time reported by Emacs is off by 1 hr. Is there a way to fix it? Also I could take some help with interpreting the value of this variable. Should display-time-world be documented in Emacs reference manual? ,----[ C-h v display-time-world-list RET ] | display-time-world-list is a variable defined in `time.el'. | Its value is (("PST8PDT" "Seattle") | ("EST5EDT" "New York") | ("GMT0BST" "London") | ("CET-1CDT" "Paris") | ("IST-5:30" "Bangalore") <=== Why this ''minus''. Isn't IST = GMT+5:30? | ("JST-9" "Tokyo")) | | | Documentation: | Alist of time zones and places for `display-time-world' to display. | Each element has the form (TIMEZONE LABEL). | TIMEZONE should be in a format supported by your system. See the | documentation of `zoneinfo-style-world-list' and | `legacy-style-world-list' for two widely used formats. LABEL is | a string to display as the label of that TIMEZONE's time. | | You can customize this variable. | | This variable was introduced, or its default value was changed, in | version 23.1 of Emacs. | | [back] `---- ps: I am really interested in local Ottawa time (which is apparently same as NY's throughout the year) ------------=_1384487943-31404-1-- From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:47:18 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Shuguang Sun Subject: bug#11281: closed (Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST) Message-ID: References: <87666myksj.fsf@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 11281 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs,w32 Reply-To: 11281@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:59:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1384487944-31404-3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1384487944-31404-3 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #11807: DST has not effect on windows XP when system DST adjustment is disa= bled which was filed against the emacs,w32 package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 11281@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 11807: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D11807 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1384487944-31404-3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 11807-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2013 03:58:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53013 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhAXq-00089A-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:58:10 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f175.google.com ([209.85.192.175]:48608) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhAXo-00088s-1X for 11807-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:58:08 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f175.google.com with SMTP id w10so813509pde.6 for <11807-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:58:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=dyekP9qC2iuOMIoxMdFwW96mZe0oKqw2mRrHzKPN5Q4=; b=TN9CvQqZJSfRSk4Ac1H41rYbYtco1/3OOn2esJ63XfWCAoFwcqGzj35MxMktA8Flph w9hr6ac9fnCTvNEaY6vJdUlR+BV1hV1r5OD3u+EIqJhVn5LKL1B2HmpKJmnqutUZAe2I /woJHoiTTgexb+9hhEMkVkFMKsNakAAfbHUySrjvCO8Ooc2qdhyDKaL8yjwp/9ST3Dgu RB5Pg44NnZOWHMmAnsqPPr1i1ELAYCWyUK+sLvKlH09jSmEfesApNuvUGMtaMtJgxD33 fDKXpAM2fssMLffG6BgOyViqYbskQihNSimVDOAQGQxQByV8bT0qWbg9LQkcKHzZ5ZDL zPcg== X-Received: by 10.66.250.129 with SMTP id zc1mr4760000pac.153.1384487882261; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.165.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id go4sm1210163pbb.15.2013.11.14.19.58.00 for <11807-done@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Nov 2013 19:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: 11807-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#11807: M-x display-time-world & EDT/DST References: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 06:00:52 +0530 In-Reply-To: <81lij7lv4b.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:35:08 +0530") Message-ID: <87666myksj.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I have an actual watch (which is more reliable) to look up at time. So closing this request. [...] Content analysis details: (2.1 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.192.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (kjambunathan[at]gmail.com) 2.1 DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX Date: is 96 hours or more before Received: date -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid I have an actual watch (which is more reliable) to look up at time. So closing this request. ------------=_1384487944-31404-3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2012 16:45:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42066 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SKuU5-00042s-6C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:45:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34405) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SKuLL-0003mR-4e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:36:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKuKq-00020s-9o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:36:02 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:54808) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKuKq-00020o-4M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:35:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKuKk-0006ul-1t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:35:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKuKd-0001yv-UL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:35:49 -0400 Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:42649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SKuKd-0001yL-Lm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:35:43 -0400 Received: by bkwq16 with SMTP id q16so8208633bkw.0 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:35:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JOy0YSjiCpzZrsn0A1XCCBqhHVorTFwPrHfX3NhwQOQ=; b=z1G89/LTyqF8zH5I+mqHV7+1DnNA3iZYx9DR0i8/YULFtSZHfjnPfAuETqeq/340cK nHYa/8GtbWL9Ik2VSK1ll2KQoiNwBjJx68vLi0WWQBkXxkHSjHDWBJqAOU7jZ8J1uCUH WDGDCuxGlxSX6QNVK3ZoORs8psoIjM6/8zOk0K2VJDw17YupIfFQz1MEAziCQ7X1ZHF2 zedku9ROrdk8LfKHsq1UcgkVZzOJpzOB5FX2UwX5Dx72felJakw65hJ4TiA+P0/5P2O2 //YmU01bUoqM2CLpneDNiTjn+a9GnD/d4jSzFeI54LGBKNdlRzRQp+jFCY2i9y9LsfE8 +iBQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.79 with SMTP id o15mr871088bko.10.1334853340788; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.34.8 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:35:40 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: DST has not effect on windows XP when system DST adjustment is disabled From: Shuguang Sun To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:45:26 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) I'm using GNU Emacs 24.0.95.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-04-02 on MARVIN on WindowsXP SP3. I believe the issue exists in other version as well. In windows, 1. If I select the time zone GMP-5 EST (East Standard Time) and check the enable Daylight Saving Time checkbox, the command display-time-world in emacs can show the time of New York correctly with DST. 2. If I select the time zone GMP-5 EST (East Standard Time) and UNCHECK the enable Daylight Saving Time checkbox, or if I select a time zone without DST, the command display-time-world in emacs can not show the time of New York correctly with DST. But actually the display-time-world-list for New York is ("EST5EDT" "New York"), which (EST5EDT) supposes to enable the Daylight Saving Time to show the time. I try the following code to trace the issue: (setq old-tz (getenv "TZ")) (setenv "TZ" "EST+5EDT") (message (format "%s" (getenv "TZ"))) (message (format-time-string "%A %d %B %R %Z")) (decode-time) (setenv "TZ" "EST+5") (message (format "%s" (getenv "TZ"))) (message (format-time-string "%A %d %B %R %Z")) (decode-time) (setenv "TZ" old-tz) The output is (Because I select a timezone without DST in windows, the time in the outputs is no DST as I described above): "EST+5EDT" "Thursday 19 April 11:27 EDT" (26 27 11 19 4 2012 4 t -18000) "EST+5" "Thursday 19 April 11:27 EST" (34 27 11 19 4 2012 4 nil -18000) (DST is t if daylight saving time is in effect,otherwise nil.from the doc of decode-time) From the output of decode-time, it is clear that if the TZ is set to "EST+5EDT", the DST is effect. So it is most likely the function format-time-string can not catch this information. But it is still weird that it DOES has effect if I enable the DST in the Windows system. ------------=_1384487944-31404-3-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 15 03:06:49 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2013 08:06:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53893 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhEQS-00085w-4W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:06:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:59539 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhEQQ-00085p-1v for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:06:46 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VhEQP-0007N1-Q2 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:06:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 03:06:45 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 11281 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) unmerge 11281 reopen 11281