From rgm@gnu.org Tue Oct 14 18:14:44 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_PACKAGE, ONEWORD,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Oct 2008 01:14:44 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9F1EfBm014930 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:14:42 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KpuyG-00069R-PZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:14:40 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KpuyE-00068z-Ut for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:14:40 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60866 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KpuyE-00068w-Ng for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:14:38 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:53847) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KpuyE-0006xM-Ll for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:14:38 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kpuvn-0005T9-5a; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:12:07 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: ns-version-string X-Spook: Project Monarch Comirex Echelon import offensive X-Ran: =?us-ascii?Q?j`VI=5C=3EG^=3DOl-4=2C=5C2&=3F=5C=28j=5D=3D=3F{ukO96e?= =?us-ascii?Q?=3C=3AHD0uB*mQof=3DyszLj=2CE=3F=28ND7!3Ee$!i4AeZ=22gr?= X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:12:07 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Package: emacs,ns emacs-version in the nextstep port says: "GNU Emacs 23.0.60 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, *Step 9.0)" The "*Step 9.0" piece would seem to be an extra version number used by Emacs.app when it was separate from mainline Emacs. Now that it has been merged, this should be removed, since the version number of Emacs is sufficient. From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Tue Oct 21 06:31:43 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Oct 2008 13:31:44 +0000 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9LDVbrO023109 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:31:38 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so1092412wxd.13 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:31:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date :x-mailer; bh=r3ehOrJ+QbF9tHaYeLkQCoPE9+0qL6175gqwiSlcpB8=; b=oYVgIOGJeyg8xJAOJa9YWoaTT0BGknVolLcYP6895/Zj1bFMGIa6wg+8GYtZf0agxa obnJByNTQ0S9hRXWWG994wi3fL7j7FCNZCt2R8gEzOgmlwMR3VsUUNCokrIaauzz4iSC kIz2K0fU9EeOnhqK0eVKiwgC9/5zojkEf2/eE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:subject:date:x-mailer; b=Xrtf4SjH1eIH/FACW39pjf2WggM/wPSilhVf+pjyP0tawwYNlCtdzBVbacHzx2I3PO in6AceXToM0bo9o9D0XYDRtj627yJBmflPkiBtLvki7Q2hnXnMozEiOZ2roGmtk1cDEh 9WcXfVqFqkmSXqY+P+qo7gUy63MNeMOryJ3Ig= Received: by 10.70.6.4 with SMTP id 4mr10239138wxf.71.1224595896850; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.198? ([72.169.150.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm7907458hsw.16.2008.10.21.06.31.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> From: Adrian Robert To: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:31:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) I kind of agree with this, but is there another way to indicate which window system is being used? It's useful for bug reports to know if it's X11 or NS (or Carbon, even though the info is sometimes redundant w/ 22/23 in that case). What about just plain "*Step", or "NS Windowing", or someting like that? From monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Tue Oct 21 08:52:35 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Oct 2008 15:52:35 +0000 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (pruche.dit.umontreal.ca [132.204.246.22]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9LFqUke025550 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:52:31 -0700 Received: from alfajor.home (vpn-132-204-232-53.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.53]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m9LFr0Xm007195; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:53:00 -0400 Received: by alfajor.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E8BFA1C164; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:52:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Adrian Robert Cc: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Message-ID: References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:52:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> (Adrian Robert's message of "Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:31:21 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3129=0 > I kind of agree with this, but is there another way to indicate which window > system is being used? It's useful for bug reports to know if it's X11 or > NS (or Carbon, even though the info is sometimes redundant w/ 22/23 in that > case). What about just plain "*Step", or "NS Windowing", or someting > like that? The objection was about the "0.9" part, not the *Step part, so yes, *Step is fine. Stefan From rgm@gnu.org Tue Oct 21 15:40:21 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Oct 2008 22:40:21 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9LMeIhH030208 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:40:19 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KsPr7-0000yq-6L; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:37:37 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> X-Spook: Sears Tower EuroFed 22nd SAS halcon brigand event X-Ran: sx|g`gOBTZBqg8I.1SX#OWL_},?:}Pycd:RV'~)UyH^B5%O:!QpS7K3GaHR}[vk?e?xNFO X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:37:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:52:26 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Stefan Monnier wrote: > The objection was about the "0.9" part, not the *Step part, so yes, > *Step is fine. If there is a meaningful version number for the external GNUstep/Mac components (analogous to gtk-version-string) against which Emacs was built, that could also be printed. My complaint is indeed about the hard-coded "0.9". From yavor@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 03:53:38 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER,MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8,RDNS_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2008 10:53:38 +0000 Received: from southway-varna.com ([213.91.219.2]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9MArTCr016594 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:53:31 -0700 Received: from keel.southway-varna.com ([192.168.0.2]) by southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KsbL5-00044v-Cf; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:53:21 +0300 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=keel.southway-varna.com) by keel.southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KsbL3-0003gN-DA; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:53:17 +0300 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:53:17 +0300 Message-ID: <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: Glenn Morris , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Cc: Adrian Robert In-Reply-To: References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Glenn Morris , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Adrian Robert , yavor@gnu.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.6 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.2 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.2 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:23:22 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on southway-varna.com) Glenn Morris wrote: >=20 > If there is a meaningful version number for the external GNUstep/Mac > components (analogous to gtk-version-string) against which Emacs was > built, that could also be printed. For GNUstep, that would be the Base and GUI versions. Ideally, the GSBackend should also be detected and reported, but that's more complicated as it has to happen at runtime. For Mac OS X I don't have a clue, really. The attached patch works for me, although it might not be entirely correct. 2008-10-22 Yavor Doganov (tiny change) * nsterm.m (syms_of_nsterm): Provide GNUstep Base/GUI versions as `ns-version-string'. --- nsterm.m 21 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82 2008 15:50:42 +0300 1.32 +++ nsterm.m 22 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82 2008 13:17:21 +0300=09 @@ -6382,7 +6382,22 @@ /* TODO: try to move this back into lisp, ns-win.el loaded too late right now */ { - Lisp_Object args[3] =3D { intern ("ns-version-string"), build_string (= "9.0"), +#ifdef NS_IMPL_GNUSTEP + char gnustep_version[40]; + snprintf (gnustep_version, sizeof (gnustep_version), + "(GNUstep Base %u.%u.%u, GUI %u.%u.%u)", + GNUSTEP_BASE_MAJOR_VERSION, GNUSTEP_BASE_MINOR_VERSION, + GNUSTEP_BASE_SUBMINOR_VERSION, + GNUSTEP_GUI_MAJOR_VERSION, GNUSTEP_GUI_MINOR_VERSION, + GNUSTEP_GUI_SUBMINOR_VERSION); +#endif + Lisp_Object args[3] =3D { intern ("ns-version-string"), +#ifdef NS_IMPL_GNUSTEP + build_string (gnustep_version), +#else + /* TODO: Something appropriate for Mac OS X. */ + build_string ("9.0"), +#endif build_string ("NS Window system port version number.")= }; Fdefconst (Flist (3, args)); } From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 05:29:27 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER,MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2008 12:29:27 +0000 Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.29]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9MCTNq2008552 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:29:25 -0700 Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so553527ywj.31 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:29:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=XoiPaPtMWrLtjVl/JZZ9gZRgUFL44o+WY7cIk9YCPcg=; b=iUBsuU/9pPz7d+iuO/qq4NuVGxAqG3PQj9iTUeyK4Uj/6jOwY7YCQcJ/MEn5Fnk2/7 +oDkL0aUtU66StEJCVeC8T6rDcOwSDotqB72VNztJutAxs0OFYYUTimFalLfkVaDYRY2 lC4aCoKqzF/R7M/4dayYwJZKRGIePR3FsBXGM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=kFwPSLAG6UaPl6DyKUUGEz75d8Vlht386Fe7MYqVG50M7JM2kw+TCLfAUT4t9NdiEd QUBss+2YaRBydz7GgNbhB8+yEhf2NGCwjF5IcUVEywyv1lQ5tU/QT5Iv9jefrJ9RUB3D 8MbrnsJ6MKkNr/JJ9gFqEbkkQFV6HJliJbaLo= Received: by 10.100.174.2 with SMTP id w2mr11558530ane.9.1224678562740; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.198? ([72.169.150.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm22392255yxt.1.2008.10.22.05.29.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Glenn Morris , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Message-Id: From: Adrian Robert To: Yavor Doganov In-Reply-To: <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:29:03 -0400 References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Hi, Thanks. I actually have a patch that does this for both, just haven't =20= had time to test yet. I'll try a quick compile and check-in right now =20= since there seems to be a lot of interest in this. On Oct 22, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Glenn Morris wrote: >> >> If there is a meaningful version number for the external GNUstep/Mac >> components (analogous to gtk-version-string) against which Emacs was >> built, that could also be printed. > > For GNUstep, that would be the Base and GUI versions. Ideally, the > GSBackend should also be detected and reported, but that's more > complicated as it has to happen at runtime. > > For Mac OS X I don't have a clue, really. > > The attached patch works for me, although it might not be entirely > correct. > > > 2008-10-22 Yavor Doganov (tiny change) > > * nsterm.m (syms_of_nsterm): Provide GNUstep Base/GUI versions = as > `ns-version-string'. > > > --- nsterm.m 21 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82 2008 15:50:42 +0300 1.32 > +++ nsterm.m 22 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82 2008 13:17:21 +0300=09 > @@ -6382,7 +6382,22 @@ > /* TODO: try to move this back into lisp, ns-win.el loaded too late > right now */ > { > - Lisp_Object args[3] =3D { intern ("ns-version-string"), =20 > build_string ("9.0"), > +#ifdef NS_IMPL_GNUSTEP > + char gnustep_version[40]; > + snprintf (gnustep_version, sizeof (gnustep_version), > + "(GNUstep Base %u.%u.%u, GUI %u.%u.%u)", > + GNUSTEP_BASE_MAJOR_VERSION, GNUSTEP_BASE_MINOR_VERSION, > + GNUSTEP_BASE_SUBMINOR_VERSION, > + GNUSTEP_GUI_MAJOR_VERSION, GNUSTEP_GUI_MINOR_VERSION, > + GNUSTEP_GUI_SUBMINOR_VERSION); > +#endif > + Lisp_Object args[3] =3D { intern ("ns-version-string"), > +#ifdef NS_IMPL_GNUSTEP > + build_string (gnustep_version), > +#else > + /* TODO: Something appropriate for Mac OS X. = */ > + build_string ("9.0"), > +#endif > build_string ("NS Window system port version =20 > number.") }; > Fdefconst (Flist (3, args)); > } From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 06:15:24 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2008 13:15:24 +0000 Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.179]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9MDFGXm020873 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:15:17 -0700 Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so683315ele.22 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=vrARRv7i6ychIwNZeJW7TLgci23jraB6XsgOLcURtTk=; b=mrwo4HxLiqBbJO9XrUVELkBELwDWOfbKh5lkLiSDL4FsisUds0JzUgQbqrS4kZ9aVA W9bU2jPBftIl7+q5xLVi7NEaU9uc9hNoF1xm+c1wsPBwOTl6LBqA4ysbIOqnjmylkBYT 15Il50Q6SO5Gs+K5TO9jaGZX/fE+qUNSoG3Pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=PG1lBPQuxDaG9Gcl9bnTkOpVMMtdp+SvUkKZvjoKGK1m3ZvM9X5s/XAkSbDq+3xPps 1pUXWF4ql7ZnXpq3StfGLtzVkt+7lQpmGun9xuUMkbN9KbbpQlMTpgM9Qa0LVWLTymm0 LfK7HHcT+txtf++MoumFYgRUIB6ECQeBNhok4= Received: by 10.90.91.2 with SMTP id o2mr10353841agb.41.1224681315805; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.198? ([72.169.150.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm12846600agd.35.2008.10.22.06.15.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Glenn Morris , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Message-Id: <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> From: Adrian Robert To: Yavor Doganov In-Reply-To: <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:14:58 -0400 References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) > If there is a meaningful version number for the external GNUstep/Mac > components (analogous to gtk-version-string) against which Emacs was > built, that could also be printed. My complaint is indeed about the > hard-coded "0.9". OK, I've changed it to output a version number determined compile-time from the toolkit, currently one of: gnustep-gui-### apple-appkit-### Yavor, if you decide it's better to report the GNUstep base version also, you can use NSFoundationVersionNumber for OS X. There are four other files where I replaced 9.0 with 23.0.60 or variants of it. Eventually it would be nice to do this automatically with autoconf. In this case it is important NOT to include the extra .# build number that emacs' build system generates. This, by itself, *should* be used for the CFBundleVersion in the Cocoa Info.plist however. nextstep/Cocoa/Emacs.base/Contents/Info.plist nextstep/Cocoa/Emacs.base/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ InfoPlist.strings nextstep/GNUstep/Emacs.base/Resources/Emacs.desktop nextstep/GNUstep/Emacs.base/Resources/Info-gnustep.plist From rgm@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 10:08:07 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2008 17:08:07 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9MH7unt014050 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:07:57 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ksh90-0000u2-AM; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:05:14 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Adrian Robert Cc: Yavor Doganov , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> X-Spook: ASIO Belknap ANDVT spy Leuken-Baden John Kerry satellite X-Ran: |66Hp23:<#_&h<{?;F9Y(4(ZzoGx|+0q}{'BBI%l`[Q9kHmFS%wh|c6".~3.]zp8c~bvy` X-Hue: magenta X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:05:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> (Adrian Robert's message of "Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:14:58 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Adrian Robert wrote: > There are four other files where I replaced 9.0 with 23.0.60 or > variants of it. Eventually it would be nice to do this automatically > with autoconf. M-x set-version from admin/admin.el does this kind of thing. I can add entries for the places you just added at some point. > In this case it is important NOT to include the extra .# build > number that emacs' build system generates. This, by itself, *should* > be used for the CFBundleVersion in the Cocoa Info.plist however. > > nextstep/Cocoa/Emacs.base/Contents/Info.plist > nextstep/Cocoa/Emacs.base/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/ > InfoPlist.strings > nextstep/GNUstep/Emacs.base/Resources/Emacs.desktop > nextstep/GNUstep/Emacs.base/Resources/Info-gnustep.plist From yavor@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 14:12:11 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2008 21:12:11 +0000 Received: from yavor.doganov.org (92_245.btc-net.bg [213.91.245.92] (may be forged)) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9MLC6qH010257 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:12:07 -0700 Received: from gana.yavor.doganov.org ([192.168.0.5]) by yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kskzi-0005LJ-13; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:12:00 +0300 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=gana.yavor.doganov.org) by gana.yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kskzh-0000BP-Ak; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:11:53 +0300 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:11:53 +0300 Message-ID: <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: Adrian Robert Cc: Yavor Doganov , Glenn Morris , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Robert , Glenn Morris , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Yavor Doganov User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.5 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on yavor.doganov.org) Adrian Robert wrote: > > OK, I've changed it to output a version number determined > compile-time from the toolkit Thanks, it looks very good and works fine on GNUstep. However, there seems to be something inconsistent (unrelated to your changes): In GNU Emacs 23.0.60 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, NS gnustep-gui-0.12.0) of 2008-10-22 on gana.yavor.doganov.org Windowing system distributor `GNU', version 103.110.117.115.116.101.112.45.103.117.105.45.48.46.49.50.46.48 On GNU and Unix-like systems GNUstep uses X, so I find this very strange and of course not informative at all. I haven't checked why `x-server-version' is so bizarre in this case, but probably you know already. > Yavor, if you decide Well, I can't decide anything since I'm not an Emacs developer ;-) > it's better to report the GNUstep base version > also, you can use NSFoundationVersionNumber for OS X. GNUstep Base is fairly stable and complete, and I guess so is Apple's FoundationKit (which is the main reason why gnustep-base is in such a shape, of course). I guess the reasoning to include it in `emacs-version' is if it helps with bug reports. Although there were some very nasty bugs in -base (even recently), it is more or less mature. Time will tell, I think. > nextstep/GNUstep/Emacs.base/Resources/Emacs.desktop IMHO this is entirely useless for GNUstep, because: 1) Typically, GNUstep users do not use freedesktop.org-aware environments such as GNOME/KDE/Xfce. 2) Even in the rare cases when they do, the .desktop files must be in $(datadir)/applications (or ~/.local/share/applications) in order to be parsed, loaded and to show up in the menus. 3) The file is invalid (this can be fixed, certainly, but it is a general problem with all standard GNUstep apps where the pl2link tool generates broken .desktop files and puts them in the wrong place). From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Wed Oct 22 15:44:02 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2008 22:44:02 +0000 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.237]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9MMhw04032508 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:43:59 -0700 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h29so14338wxd.13 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:43:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=2R6lNEeysJF7TrShUuNUNwhG68v+S+xdThmaqQCLH3g=; b=UcMCxSASLTghPkMplfrUUA3qlrSskzmVCNaGhCFSsQef4USOKbxjf7A+luTIVdwTIH AAmabj67aGOr70+5ziJ/8WmoxA4TDqIrTnVP+s0qeQrZhydEwBTjQp0Isk91TPq9ul4M NlTVi/SABk4lbng4Y6e8vpWBLu3cVeHwdOtU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=RJMWZC4lL5sAZCizGzVJ+Ff/nc8HdYMGIA2TJ9/BFFQ1w0zHKZX5XETs2Yp82CAUlu 1C/stHOT8m5rqCtUCbinrIsbXXwTNGx63/uL8zLfyZe2nHoGuAZBh1TU7D+Jus1k8hdz hkQQAt+fqavaXj3sHmaz40eWT6sSZ8vvoWA30= Received: by 10.70.25.1 with SMTP id 1mr12509971wxy.0.1224715438332; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.198? ([72.169.150.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm9573299hsd.0.2008.10.22.15.43.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org Message-Id: <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> From: Adrian Robert To: Yavor Doganov In-Reply-To: <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:43:34 -0400 References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) On Oct 22, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Adrian Robert wrote: >> >> OK, I've changed it to output a version number determined >> compile-time from the toolkit > > Thanks, it looks very good and works fine on GNUstep. However, there > seems to be something inconsistent (unrelated to your changes): > > In GNU Emacs 23.0.60 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, NS gnustep-gui-0.12.0) > of 2008-10-22 on gana.yavor.doganov.org > Windowing system distributor `GNU', version > 103.110.117.115.116.101.112.45.103.117.105.45.48.46.49.50.46.48 How do you generate this output? And do you know what code is responsible? > On GNU and Unix-like systems GNUstep uses X, so I find this very > strange and of course not informative at all. I haven't checked why > `x-server-version' is so bizarre in this case, but probably you know > already. x-server-version should be returning identical to ns-version-string ("gnustep-gui-0.12.0" in this case), which it does here. (Don't be fooled by the name of the function, it does not refer to X11.) If not it is a weird bug. If you could put a println in ns_appkit_version() in nsfns.m and see if it IS indeed being called and if it IS generating that weird string, it would help track it down. >> nextstep/GNUstep/Emacs.base/Resources/Emacs.desktop > > IMHO this is entirely useless for GNUstep, because: > > 1) Typically, GNUstep users do not use freedesktop.org-aware > environments such as GNOME/KDE/Xfce. > 2) Even in the rare cases when they do, the .desktop files must be in > $(datadir)/applications (or ~/.local/share/applications) in order > to be parsed, loaded and to show up in the menus. > 3) The file is invalid (this can be fixed, certainly, but it is a > general problem with all standard GNUstep apps where the pl2link > tool generates broken .desktop files and puts them in the wrong > place). OK, I'll think about dropping the file. thanks, Adrian From yavor@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 16:20:12 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2008 23:20:12 +0000 Received: from yavor.doganov.org (92_245.btc-net.bg [213.91.245.92] (may be forged)) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9MNK9xe009816 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:20:10 -0700 Received: from gana.yavor.doganov.org ([192.168.0.5]) by yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ksmzk-0005Tn-LD; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:20:05 +0300 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=gana.yavor.doganov.org) by gana.yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ksmzk-0000GZ-GN; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:20:04 +0300 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:20:04 +0300 Message-ID: <87k5c0z07v.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: Adrian Robert Cc: Yavor Doganov , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Robert , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Yavor Doganov User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.5 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on yavor.doganov.org) Adrian Robert wrote: > > > Windowing system distributor `GNU', version > > 103.110.117.115.116.101.112.45.103.117.105.45.48.46.49.50.46.48 > > How do you generate this output? With M-x report-emacs-bug -- I thought the whole point of this discussion/bug was inluding useful information in initial bug reports, without the necessity to ask the bug reporter about additional details. Anyway, I don't have strong feelings about this -- reporting the gnustep-gui version is good enough. > And do you know what code is responsible? It's in lisp/mai/emacsbug.el. > x-server-version should be returning identical to ns-version-string That's wrong for GNUstep on a GNU/{Linux,Hurd,kFreeBSD} system where presumably the desirable thing is to report the X server version (in fact it would be much better to report the GNUstep backend, or both). Furthermore, although GNUstep has minimal WM support and theoretically Emacs.app can run under plain X (haven't tried that, personally), it is a bit inappropriate to call GNU a "Windowing system distributor". GNUstep provides some primitives, but really relies on X to be available and running. > If you could put a println in ns_appkit_version() in nsfns.m and see > if it IS indeed being called and if it IS generating that weird > string, it would help track it down. Thanks, I'll hopefully do that tomorrow. From rgm@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 17:51:01 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Oct 2008 00:51:02 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9N0oxCF032396 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:51:00 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KsoN7-0004jz-1v; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:48:17 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Adrian Robert Cc: Yavor Doganov , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> X-Spook: Ansar al-Islam STARLAN SAFE DES Vickie Weaver X-Ran: KVg#^0+vA}%9o`?]:iu_(U4WqQ:2i#LrthIA:bD#o->621wDaXW\p?YLuTv<#gQf;?;c;A X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:48:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> (Adrian Robert's message of "Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:14:58 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Adrian Robert wrote: > In this case it is important NOT to include the extra .# build > number that emacs' build system generates. This, by itself, *should* > be used for the CFBundleVersion in the Cocoa Info.plist however. You mean in nextstep/Cocoa/Emacs.base/Contents/Info.plist, the CFBundleVersion string that is currently hard-coded at "9.0" should be replaced by the Emacs build number ("1", "2", ...), and so get changed every time Emacs gets rebuilt? I don't see how you would do this. Actually, this number doesn't even seem to exist in the nextstep port, since it does not get dumped. From rgm@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 18:05:36 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Oct 2008 01:05:37 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9N15XrZ004289 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:05:35 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KsobD-0005KR-He; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:02:51 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Adrian Robert Cc: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Yavor Doganov Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-Spook: emc MIT-LL 64 Vauxhall Cross munitions Bin Laden X-Ran: 0@\N_cZ%tPGX"2CtXc2LS$PZ+J3jW8{MBiBFG$P=i-j2u=WFyNH3?gtKl[Py78!hn9-(c; X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:02:51 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> (Yavor Doganov's message of "Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:11:53 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yavor Doganov wrote: >> nextstep/GNUstep/Emacs.base/Resources/Emacs.desktop > > IMHO this is entirely useless for GNUstep, because: [...] > 2) Even in the rare cases when they do, the .desktop files must be in > $(datadir)/applications (or ~/.local/share/applications) in order > to be parsed, loaded and to show up in the menus. The top-level Makefile.in has a rule (install-etc) which installs the file etc/emacs.desktop in the right place. This could be copied/adapted for the GNUstep version. From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Wed Oct 22 18:16:15 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Oct 2008 01:16:15 +0000 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.pppoe.ca [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9N1GCdx006665 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:16:13 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqAEAGtt/0hFxLrB/2dsb2JhbACBdr41g06BCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,467,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="28749077" Received: from 69-196-186-193.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.196.186.193]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 22 Oct 2008 21:16:06 -0400 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 96D4FB4099; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Adrian Robert Cc: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Yavor Doganov Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Message-ID: References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:16:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> (Adrian Robert's message of "Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:43:34 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> 103.110.117.115.116.101.112.45.103.117.105.45.48.46.49.50.46.48 > ("gnustep-gui-0.12.0" The first line above seems to list the ascii codes of the second line. Stefan From yavor@gnu.org Wed Nov 12 05:34:20 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER,RDNS_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2008 13:34:21 +0000 Received: from southway-varna.com ([213.91.219.2]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mACDYHIJ023664 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:34:18 -0800 Received: from keel.southway-varna.com ([192.168.0.2]) by southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L0FrD-0006h7-77; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:09 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=keel.southway-varna.com) by keel.southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0FrD-0006UL-4T; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: <8763mtf4q8.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: Stefan Monnier , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert Cc: Yavor Doganov In-Reply-To: References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Monnier , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert , Yavor Doganov User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.6 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.2 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.2 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:23:22 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on southway-varna.com) At Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:16:05 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> 103.110.117.115.116.101.112.45.103.117.105.45.48.46.49.50.46.48 > > ("gnustep-gui-0.12.0" > > The first line above seems to list the ascii codes of the second line. Yes, it looks like this this code in emacsbug.el (insert "Windowing system distributor `" (x-server-vendor) "', version " (mapconcat 'number-to-string (x-server-version) ".") "\n") really expects x-server-version to be a number. There are more problems with ns-version-string: 1) It shows the FQDN, which some users might find inappropriate. At least this is not consistent with the other flavors. 2) It doesn't show the host on which Emacs was built, but the host on which it is currently running, e.g. GNU Emacs 23.0.60 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, NS gnustep-gui-0.12.0) of 2008-11-12 on tzotzolana.yavor.doganov.org, modified for gNewSense This was built on a different host and I installed it on tzotzolana as a binary (*.deb) package from an APT repository. 3) The date is also wrong, and shows the current date, not the date Emacs was built. (The actual build date in the above example is 2008-10-27). I guess this is a nasty consequence of CANNOT_DUMP... From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Wed Nov 12 08:02:11 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2008 16:02:11 +0000 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.pppoe.ca [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mACG27LL029042 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:02:09 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEABOMGklFxLQU/2dsb2JhbACBds43g1eBEQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,590,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="29772440" Received: from 69-196-180-20.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.180.20]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2008 11:01:59 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D30C884CE; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:01:57 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Adrian Robert , Yavor Doganov Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Message-ID: References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> <8763mtf4q8.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:01:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8763mtf4q8.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> (Yavor Doganov's message of "Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Yes, it looks like this this code in emacsbug.el > (insert "Windowing system distributor `" (x-server-vendor) > "', version " > (mapconcat 'number-to-string (x-server-version) ".") "\n") > really expects x-server-version to be a number. Actually a list of numbers. > There are more problems with ns-version-string: > 1) It shows the FQDN, which some users might find inappropriate. At > least this is not consistent with the other flavors. > 2) It doesn't show the host on which Emacs was built, but the host on > which it is currently running, e.g. > GNU Emacs 23.0.60 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, NS gnustep-gui-0.12.0) > of 2008-11-12 on tzotzolana.yavor.doganov.org, modified for gNewSense > This was built on a different host and I installed it on tzotzolana as > a binary (*.deb) package from an APT repository. > 3) The date is also wrong, and shows the current date, not the date > Emacs was built. (The actual build date in the above example is > 2008-10-27). I guess this is a nasty consequence of CANNOT_DUMP... These all seem to be direct consequences of using CANNOT_DUMP and probably do not manifest under Cocoa. I wouldn't worry too much about it (better fix the underlying problem and get dumping to work for GNUstep). Stefan From yavor@gnu.org Wed Nov 12 11:11:29 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2008 19:11:29 +0000 Received: from yavor.doganov.org (92_245.btc-net.bg [213.91.245.92] (may be forged)) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mACJBN3c012405 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:11:26 -0800 Received: from gana.yavor.doganov.org ([192.168.0.5]) by yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0L7U-0001g9-FQ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:11:17 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=gana.yavor.doganov.org) by gana.yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0L7U-0004cv-AC; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:11:16 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:11:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87d4h0dajv.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert , Yavor Doganov In-Reply-To: References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> <8763mtf4q8.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Monnier , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org, Adrian Robert , Yavor Doganov User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.5 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on yavor.doganov.org) Stefan Monnier wrote: > > These all seem to be direct consequences of using CANNOT_DUMP and > probably do not manifest under Cocoa. Yes, as can be observed by the reports of these users. > I wouldn't worry too much about it Sure, the only possible problem is the confusion in bug reports that the wrong date may cause. But if Emacs developers remember that it's bogus, there is no problem. > (better fix the underlying problem and get dumping to work for > GNUstep). Does this require changes in the GNU ObjC runtime, GNUstep, or Emacs? Or a combination of these? 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([72.169.150.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm11824866agd.18.2008.11.12.11.19.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:19:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: Stefan Monnier , 1171@debbugs.gnu.org Message-Id: <50394345-55D9-468D-887C-13507086B6DA@gmail.com> From: Adrian Robert To: Yavor Doganov In-Reply-To: <87d4h0dajv.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:19:10 -0500 References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> <8763mtf4q8.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <87d4h0dajv.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) On Nov 12, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: >> >> (better fix the underlying problem and get dumping to work for >> GNUstep). > > Does this require changes in the GNU ObjC runtime, GNUstep, or Emacs? > Or a combination of these? Unknown, hopefully just the last one, or the last two. If someone (you?) who is compiling / testing on GNUstep could get together a description of the failure when dumping is attempted (probably a stack trace of the crash when the dumped emacs is run), and post that to gnustep-dev@gnu.org , that would be a good start to learning more / starting on a solution. Adrian From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Wed Nov 12 11:48:30 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2008 19:48:30 +0000 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mACJmRBZ021003 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:48:28 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAATCGklFxLQU/2dsb2JhbACBds8qg1eBEQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,591,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="29786992" Received: from 69-196-180-20.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.180.20]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2008 14:48:22 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DCF1E84CE; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:48:19 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Adrian Robert , Yavor Doganov Subject: Re: bug#1171: #1171 - ns-version-string - Emacs bug report logs Message-ID: References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> <8763mtf4q8.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <87d4h0dajv.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:48:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87d4h0dajv.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> (Yavor Doganov's message of "Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:11:16 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> I wouldn't worry too much about it > Sure, the only possible problem is the confusion in bug reports that > the wrong date may cause. But if Emacs developers remember that it's > bogus, there is no problem. Well, it is not completely irrelelvant, but fixing it is probably more trouble than will be incurred because of confusion. >> (better fix the underlying problem and get dumping to work for GNUstep). > Does this require changes in the GNU ObjC runtime, GNUstep, or Emacs? > Or a combination of these? It should only require changes in Emacs, normally. But the main thing it requires is someone to attack the problem. Stefan From rgm@gnu.org Thu Dec 11 15:47:23 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.0000 Tokens: new, 56; hammy, 61; neutral, 48; spammy, 1. spammytokens:1.000-3--ridiculous hammytokens:0.000-+--H*UA:Emacs, 0.000-+--H*r:140.186.70, 0.000-+--H*r:ip*140.186.70.10, 0.000-+--H*r:sk:fencepo, 0.000-+--HX-Debbugs-No-Ack:yes X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Dec 2008 23:47:23 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBBNlKDE005448 for <1171@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:47:21 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LAvEw-0005DX-5s; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:46:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18753.42594.125606.141858@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:46:42 -0500 From: Glenn Morris Cc: Adrian Robert To: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1171: ns-version-string In-Reply-To: References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> <8763mtf4q8.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <87d4h0dajv.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: blue X-Ran: N'pVGMTazDfs*ghD,@AzectweMc9"~?#nH9wl:#RM5C!M1C9TC&lwT8b)vEpv_5LYW+QJ| X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Please consider fixing the NS implementation of x-server-version to return a list of three integers, as it is documented to do (xfns.c, w32fns.c). It's getting a bit ridiculous seeing all the Emacs.App bug reports with Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 97.112.112.108.101.45.97.112.112.107.105.116.45.57.52.57.46.51.53 configured using `configure '--with-ns'' (Again, this comes from M-x report-emacs-bug.) Thanks. From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Wed Dec 31 07:00:04 2008 Received: (at 1171) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 31 Dec 2008 15:00:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(h065148.gprs.dnafinland.fi [87.93.65.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm174434eyh.38.2008.12.31.06.59.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:59:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18753.42594.125606.141858@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <7DF28CA0-8DDC-4EF3-81EE-01DC314E7228@gmail.com> <87fxmozysi.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3C1C1C39-E1D2-48D4-9012-E7A45BC82C0B@gmail.com> <87prlsz65i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <0547AFB7-1140-479F-B9F7-87DC8349EBE9@gmail.com> <8763mtf4q8.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <87d4h0dajv.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <18753.42594.125606.141858@fencepost.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: 1171@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adrian Robert Subject: Re: bug#1171: ns-version-string Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:03:29 +0200 To: Glenn Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) On Dec 12, 2008, at 1:46 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > > Please consider fixing the NS implementation of x-server-version to > return a list of three integers, as it is documented to do (xfns.c, > w32fns.c). 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