From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: yary Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:07:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13386640169835 (code B ref -1); Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:07:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2012 19:06:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54880 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Satf5-0002Ya-Jh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:06:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38699) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SatYp-0002Pj-Nd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:00:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SatX0-0002GY-0V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:58:35 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:50294) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SatWz-0002GP-Qs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:58:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49025) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SatWx-0002Ln-Tl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:58:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SatWv-0002G5-OM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:58:31 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:43783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SatWv-0002Ft-Gn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:58:29 -0400 Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so5810021obb.0 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:58:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=rIBlkGfXBm+rYRWrtQCFIa8bec2zU8sQVG5h5YAvGww=; b=VLcF03HFp7DPGa8cg6RTP5gvQcXHrjpNzmPdm6ZLG7rXBq9oCugfAgfBMJbeuiENFG tINZ4aPXuBJaH+V5Stfw8nYSK7ar6HeN/RslTdow2olP8hkXdmrcgBPCRP0AvOGYNk56 B7gYtOqJKWMt70NukFehleXnxGsRukLjt5VZ+XkwQCSiJYF4i/xRKJ9Hxf9z3sPBZfB9 MF9LqjObWP4ZGKTAKgZrgX/8PVuDmbtVNl5PwA4mhOaseWVr1VAckhy3k02O7hm1Jy4D k+Z8/PKaIVlzpOvJ4rPMgUOqmmdJQNqZoOSciyGdDO/JJwj0MREkApNI72ZnLNLKbSjb pusg== Received: by 10.50.36.200 with SMTP id s8mr4742486igj.27.1338663506428; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:58:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.141.239 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: yary Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:58:06 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. 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If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': Using the Windows release candidate binaries, build 1 24.1, running with emacs -Q, starts emacs with a *Warning* buffer: Warning (initialization): Setting HOME to C:\ by default is deprecated I believe previous emacs set HOME to %UserProfile% - regardless of the setting for emacs 24, its default should not cause a warning, or at least the warning could a suggest remedy. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file c:/Program Files/emacs-24/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-06-01 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-w M-x r e p o r Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail regexp-opt rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode easymenu view warnings time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs) From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: yary Cc: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.133866484411060 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2012 19:20:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54894 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SatsR-0002sL-QO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:20:43 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:62789) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SatsO-0002s7-VL for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:20:42 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M5000E007TEQS00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:18:46 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M5000E3G8B7SM00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:18:44 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:18:48 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: yary > Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:58:06 -0400 > > Using the Windows release candidate binaries, build 1 24.1, > running with emacs -Q, starts emacs with a *Warning* buffer: > > Warning (initialization): Setting HOME to C:\ by default is deprecated This warning means that you have a .emacs file in C:\, which causes Emacs to pretend that HOME is set to point to that directory. This arrangement is deprecated, and will cease to be supported in a future version of Emacs. Thus the warning. IOW, this is a feature, not a bug. I suggest to close this bug. > I believe previous emacs set HOME to %UserProfile% It will do that if you remove/rename C:\.emacs. > - regardless of the setting for emacs 24, its default should not > cause a warning, or at least the warning could a suggest remedy. This is a feature. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: yary Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.133866633313271 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2012 19:45:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54923 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SauGT-0003Rz-8z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:45:33 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]:47916) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SauGQ-0003Rm-JB for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:45:31 -0400 Received: by obbeh20 with SMTP id eh20so5919735obb.3 for <11612@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YXVhCciTTDj0sKfGURNfPJGOy7dB56su4SLfUkba8yk=; b=pNEg63rfLu6GZ5TCqRTArxrovHCQMy4CswdMU7yY4HDLXQ92LNGrVpNBkn0GWosbA9 441KftYTspH1vFVn52jp3CaWyW4me83Fl/lK4KrQo/lzJ1A3KH6f3iZBm9TyCxebgp1Q ASUs4zSwowYqCI1Qthg4wHKRnvyif+b3DTqsSXJqbZMFzcffE3l+yOCve8RN0Ay77EXX u4UNCpLgRjEdijvcwZw4TxlCNgaXSfm3jIy+bJrCN62MDD2T4lkNFXY/wtGh/fqzWziG RRhfMKkmmaUrS/xTK2+hF6iZRWKxBH8zlJH4fafcCcCJvqhYdy2BE+89WXfU1XWJuJ31 oMTA== Received: by 10.50.88.201 with SMTP id bi9mr4784994igb.27.1338666216403; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:43:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.141.239 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:43:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> From: yary Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:43:15 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Oh, look at that, I do have a c:\.emacs file. I did do a quick web search on this warning before sending the report, and didn't get a description as good as the one you just emailed me. Could the warning message "Setting HOME to C:\ by default is deprecated" also include "Move .emacs out from C:\" or "See info ..." to help us find the fix? Thanks -y On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: yary >> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:58:06 -0400 >> >> Using the Windows release candidate binaries, build 1 24.1, >> running with emacs -Q, starts emacs with a *Warning* buffer: >> >> Warning (initialization): Setting HOME to C:\ by default is deprecated > > This warning means that you have a .emacs file in C:\, which causes > Emacs to pretend that HOME is set to point to that directory. =A0This > arrangement is deprecated, and will cease to be supported in a future > version of Emacs. =A0Thus the warning. > > IOW, this is a feature, not a bug. > > I suggest to close this bug. > >> I believe previous emacs set HOME to %UserProfile% > > It will do that if you remove/rename C:\.emacs. > >> - regardless of the setting for emacs 24, its default should not >> cause a warning, or at least the warning could a suggest remedy. > > This is a feature. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'yary'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.133866654213592 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2012 19:49:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SauJq-0003X0-3K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:49:02 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:46343) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SauJo-0003Wi-Hk for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:49:01 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q52Jl6Lv028086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:47:07 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q52Jl5YH018470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:47:06 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q52Jl5vF009592; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:47:05 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.223.197) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:47:05 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:46:57 -0700 Message-ID: <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac1A+BrXVAIk6D2vT+SkOYs2zrKpCwAABAzw X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > Could the warning message "Setting HOME to C:\ by default is > deprecated" also include "Move .emacs out from C:\" There is nothing wrong with having .emacs in c:\. IIUC, this change is about Emacs not looking in c:\ _by default_. It is not about discouraging or forbidding anyone from setting HOME to c:\. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: yary Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.133866722714574 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 02 Jun 2012 20:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2012 20:00:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54935 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SauUt-0003n1-D1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:00:27 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]:35114) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SauUZ-0003m8-DS for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:00:26 -0400 Received: by obbeh20 with SMTP id eh20so5940336obb.3 for <11612@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ETHG/EXh/Gh3pL5ReSnP5mBP/lnUeQxgAIjBh8t7Vkk=; b=kZi4mcZvZIhfgEPyQXMJDQJyRNxdZVakj1sjIjHSikdEQC4RLlgzMOKqll9iGmW9EH 2Jm4UsgzAmiBbrDwuPPCLdAbEK7aBKwVTpvUdKyhWcohxYaGQKYy70OlRNnObf6LgXPM HuTYCWIZ3OMy7DLlwTgpYQjIkIE+bRWJhBIiVtQ4M3mMvXC79er533KKVXYMX4WRvuLw doFPtzT0GTIx2DsBu+YhM7BqQ7XJiH1UoA2PkWqQGpmILov9Wd5VAqLedgXKMnjuORCs mA735SNrzQJmFWhLJmgJ4UrTebKvxcFVKZ27qiRWAJVsZetJD2FnOU7i+BOgzvQEvSs1 gz0Q== Received: by 10.50.51.225 with SMTP id n1mr4622318igo.70.1338667093382; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:58:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.141.239 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:57:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> From: yary Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:57:53 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> Could the warning message "Setting HOME to C:\ by default is >> deprecated" also include "Move .emacs out from C:\" > > There is nothing wrong with having .emacs in c:\. > > IIUC, this change is about Emacs not looking in c:\ _by default_. =A0It i= s not > about discouraging or forbidding anyone from setting HOME to c:\. OK, I didn't know the background. A pointer to an info node about the change might be more appropriate, give room for description. The problem I had was being confronted with a warning, not being sure of the source, not finding a variable "HOME" after typing "c-h v HOME" ("c-h v *home*" got me closer, but the docs for abbreviated-home-dir didn't tell me much), and not knowing where and how HOME was being set. So all this warning needs is a little more verbosity, giving the end user more help on fixing the cause. Thanks From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: yary , Eli Zaretskii , 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.13387524832190 (code B ref 11612); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2012 19:41:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56017 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbGfz-0000ZH-7w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:41:23 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:53753) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbGfx-0000Z2-GM for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 15:41:22 -0400 Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so4693863pbc.3 for <11612@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=r10n3P13gOx/8pTEynWVE47Ul5ueuPrVX1YNq16nWVY=; b=f56bsfiVWbLFmVGGlrbPjenHxHDjsAThQS1KYYtrZxRzByKLzq+6dn8YqjphYX39g4 M+xN3FIlzKEs+dZh2w8EDWVatnG9TOitE6Q6vnQJeVfguxGdMfbUiN1J5IncOci5QJOL xHRw3kN7qiLPYNxROYUBEvwd9f8U4SFgfX64CCfFzrhjgTsZX67FuqEWgQYWeWGo4tDj WlGoBIHWthGIwfplOpbEJ2xIy78u/AEQmGfmZVKhSd1+XFB+x2qypZmOklpjv7N8ia06 tl6VFlyStygt24xwJ9SHFQij2IGVXbGhDN7O1Wuq/KTJpf5uMyGKd/5SJn/U7azFJ1a2 2BkQ== Received: by 10.68.134.163 with SMTP id pl3mr17643807pbb.167.1338752362767; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.164.7 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:38:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 21:38:42 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > IIUC, this change is about Emacs not looking in c:\ _by default_. =C2=A0I= t is not > about discouraging or forbidding anyone from setting HOME to c:\. Correct. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Jason Rumney Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 03:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 'yary' , 'Eli Zaretskii' , 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.133878198321194 (code B ref 11612); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 03:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jun 2012 03:53:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56357 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbOLm-0005Vm-GB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:53:03 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com ([209.85.210.44]:43062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbOLk-0005VJ-Ol for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:53:01 -0400 Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so4819263dac.3 for <11612@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:51:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=0aJujUUUr2tdxRIMCM5SZHF9UthC9Enp9lElKGVRl/c=; b=QmYGint91f3xAdAsI23AZ2JhiRMKTL0ZX5YFQZeuopJjwFIoX51oSySAVuuZiONXGK 6G13U/Xarw3kFfC92V6k14RvtcpuHIHsngQatXnogTBVM8YYxO4ufue7GIWaPRRt6dP2 39v1VBmwvi+IHdbGAL13ra/iKYWxInoPm6HYUGG5hI1zXEFUccVmbH0iVGupr75ITQR5 kGanKVKC+STCdAyiYSCOyyHiCz/wHG98u4M665bWEKrRFkqPL1AV9eZRg7ddlC9pYXyQ TpNapcEN/8laeKDynPl5qf+FVzI0ZnfYGH+vYILkRNtH2SkgUWBhFyE/A4gCg5aIjTfy 75PA== Received: by 10.68.197.41 with SMTP id ir9mr18182357pbc.20.1338781860106; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([180.75.8.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qp3sm11788041pbc.17.2012.06.03.20.50.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 02BCF11D2; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:50:49 +0800 (MYT) From: Jason Rumney References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:50:49 +0800 In-Reply-To: <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:46:57 -0700") Message-ID: <87zk8j7n1i.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: >> Could the warning message "Setting HOME to C:\ by default is >> deprecated" also include "Move .emacs out from C:\" > > There is nothing wrong with having .emacs in c:\. > > IIUC, this change is about Emacs not looking in c:\ _by default_. It is not > about discouraging or forbidding anyone from setting HOME to c:\. Given that in Windows 7 writing to c:\ requires administrative priviledges, perhaps we should be more strongly discouraging setting HOME to c:\ for users who are blindly copying obsolete instructions they find on the internet. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 04:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jason Rumney Cc: not.com@gmail.com, 11612@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.133878392023952 (code B ref 11612); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 04:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jun 2012 04:25:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56370 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbOr2-0006EH-EC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:25:20 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:54901) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbOr0-0006E4-Mb for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:25:19 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M5200D00S4KKU00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:46 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M5200DB3S5YAU70@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:46 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:22:54 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87zk8j7n1i.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83ipf7bt9d.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> <87zk8j7n1i.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Jason Rumney > Cc: "'yary'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" , 11612@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 11:50:49 +0800 > > Given that in Windows 7 writing to c:\ requires administrative > priviledges, perhaps we should be more strongly discouraging setting > HOME to c:\ for users who are blindly copying obsolete instructions they > find on the internet. Maybe. But the current situation was the necessary first step anyway, because someone who sets HOME to C:\ at least did something deliberate she might remember. OTOH, I kinda gather that lots of people disable UAC on Windows 7, so perhaps the issue is no more pressing now than it was with XP. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Jason Rumney'" Cc: 'yary' , 'Eli Zaretskii' , 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.133881641613997 (code B ref 11612); Mon, 04 Jun 2012 13:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jun 2012 13:26:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56896 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbXJ9-0003dh-21 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:26:55 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:37125) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SbXIm-0003dA-8Z for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 09:26:52 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q54DORsp025106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:24:28 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q54DORtq017540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 4 Jun 2012 13:24:27 GMT Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q54DOQlt031705; Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:24:26 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.218.251) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 04 Jun 2012 06:24:26 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org><91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> <87zk8j7n1i.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 06:24:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87zk8j7n1i.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac1CBUJoH/CRHLclSsS65XpBtwcpyAATxi7A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > Given that in Windows 7 writing to c:\ requires administrative > priviledges, perhaps we should be more strongly discouraging setting > HOME to c:\ for users who are blindly copying obsolete > instructions they find on the internet. Why? What is the consequence if an Emacs user (using admin privileges) sets HOME to c:\? Not a rhetorical question - I know little to nothing about this. _If_ (dunno) there is no negative consequence in terms of _using_ Emacs, and the only effective consequence is that Windows 7 will notify a user that s?he must have admin privileges to _set_ HOME to c:\, is that a problem? In any case, if there is a downside then the "discouragement" or recommendation should explicitly point out the situation - e.g. list potential problems or point (via URL) to such a list of problems. We should not just discourage c:\ for all Windows users, or even for Windows 7 users only, without giving some info about why etc. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Michael Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.136673530717663 (code B ref -1); Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:42:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2013 16:41:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUgHq-0004ap-IK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:41:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57638) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUe03-0005BL-4b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:15:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUdvE-0000gt-G4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:10:17 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, FSL_HELO_BARE_IP_2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:44535) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUdvE-0000gp-DU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:10:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40761) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUdvD-0006F6-31 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:10:16 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUdv7-0000fL-Gt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:10:15 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54780) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UUdv7-0000ex-9u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:10:09 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UUdv1-0001PQ-12 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:10:03 +0200 Received: from 208.75.18.26 ([208.75.18.26]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:10:03 +0200 Received: from mblischke by 208.75.18.26 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:10:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Michael Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 208.75.18.26 (Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.2; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.31 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/26.0.1410.43 Safari/537.31) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:41:45 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) yary gmail.com> writes: > > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Drew Adams oracle.com> wrote: > >> Could the warning message "Setting HOME to C:\ by default is > >> deprecated" also include "Move .emacs out from C:\" > > > > There is nothing wrong with having .emacs in c:\. > > > > IIUC, this change is about Emacs not looking in c:\ _by default_.  It is not > > about discouraging or forbidding anyone from setting HOME to c:\. > > OK, I didn't know the background. A pointer to an info node about the > change might be more appropriate, give room for description. > > The problem I had was being confronted with a warning, not being sure > of the source, not finding a variable "HOME" after typing "c-h v HOME" > ("c-h v *home*" got me closer, but the docs for abbreviated-home-dir > didn't tell me much), and not knowing where and how HOME was being > set. So all this warning needs is a little more verbosity, giving the > end user more help on fixing the cause. > > Thanks > > This. 100 times this. I have this warning coming up every time I open emacs. It gives no indication of how to fix it. Also, neither it, nor this thread, nor any number of other sites I found by searching give any indication of where the .emacs file is SUPPOSED to go instead. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Cc: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.136673998428885 (code B ref 11612); Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2013 17:59:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39396 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUhVI-0007Vp-3G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:59:44 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:52835) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UUhVE-0007VZ-0K for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:59:42 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MLP00500Z2CH400@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:54:31 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MLP005R3Z2VFY30@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:54:31 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:54:30 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83vc7dw2sp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8362b9cyjr.fsf@gnu.org> <91E1E14DBB414F068939D2843B343E69@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Michael > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:05:11 +0000 (UTC) > > This. 100 times this. I have this warning coming up every time I open > emacs. It gives no indication of how to fix it. Also, neither it, nor this > thread, nor any number of other sites I found by searching give any > indication of where the .emacs file is SUPPOSED to go instead. Rename c:\.emacs to something else. Start Emacs and type: C-x C-f ~/.emacs RET It will probably say "New file." That's OK. Now visit you previous .emacs, now renamed to whatever you renamed it, and copy its entire contents into the new ~/.emacs. Type "C-x C-s". Now Bob's your uncle! Restart Emacs, and you can safely forget about this. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup References: In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 03:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: yary , Juanma Barranquero , Michael , Drew Adams , Jason Rumney Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.14668253437571 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 03:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 03:29:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54824 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGeHG-0001y2-Pe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:29:02 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f66.google.com ([209.85.218.66]:34464) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGeHF-0001xX-81 for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:29:01 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f66.google.com with SMTP id s17so21549733oih.1 for <11612@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Jun 2016 20:29:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=k9nfBfZcQC+JvKTKyc0HH/PYM0mal+OktmPQ7Jmr6CU=; b=pzdmFCvpGs/gh4k8bTrxjH4eSSQqDf+V6jfnQf3x5G/pHTFKxtMPosVxVTxP8Mxog5 gNnC86bUcgjcCr1iCvBhBkeBs45FL2aZRMI3rimmP7+iin2tcKqdw3xxwpjtQR4km5wy /80HAnrPZiWQdlvNmhIaVgQC6ctZCjjsSGuiFUqmGiSl2lojeEeqJJmO7KwA2kD9VanT qpRCQ/nhbt+wWSaMef3PLZcgtcIASb7azLF1vsc7dNGLY9SrTv9rUuFWwGLtdsNR08dX se3x2OcnROlf2d/q6c7fyz2dx0VoPjYlH1BfBpkKG8yJY9C4LPFaDKVwpgJ3cTm1p3P9 IYsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to:cc; bh=k9nfBfZcQC+JvKTKyc0HH/PYM0mal+OktmPQ7Jmr6CU=; b=G172rXvysPA+QxPosJcWr5LPTTwC0Nm69lEfhXlnzl3WYAhV8rD0KQbrrbHDV880VP KmfrPF1mEBRs2pXHKigE68ZvP2J4f7ub5r49kClvURkR6zEyuZaEbswV9jZFe59WOSUm Y0RD+cOAzRmQz5tQQ7KIrQB/mLciEKZwmSxcvd3T3z9APoZRPaZ9DCwgB+W+PcMoq1Wt HBspbElO2RbGFtPotb9IEzCyjQdin3jGnW0/IbCoGJwZdEzjI9BVbzzes7QUd3RM7CkB 0jYMQFU8jxBh4r0+q+qpK6NlCZ5J8lB3zRncn2X1rFYNxxGjeHUfn5ffkxmMTOH+oCk7 uilA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLa7+V1PnTUkw6t+gwvqr7J41m2ClAmpUwAmgg3aZv1pJB/u6BpYsKWY21TlBeUG8DgWVsYWyF4IxhwcA== X-Received: by 10.202.85.9 with SMTP id j9mr4340174oib.202.1466825335802; Fri, 24 Jun 2016 20:28:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.238 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2016 20:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:28:55 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PI52EkX7YAB4Ghn1y3j4QJ1NxCc Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) So it's just a matter of changing the warning message to something a little more informative, right? What's the best way of referencing the a manual node in a warning message? In Lisp I could make a hyperlink like this: (display-warning 'initialization (concat "Use of `C:\\.emacs' to define `HOME' is deprecated, see " (make-text-button "HOME and Startup Directories on MS-Windows" nil :type 'help-info 'help-args '("(emacs) Windows HOME")))) it's a bit more awkward from C, and I'm not sure if make-text-button can be called that early in the initialization process. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky , 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: yary , Juanma Barranquero , Michael , Jason Rumney Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.146682909220232 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 04:31:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54834 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGfFj-0005GG-QR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 00:31:31 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGfFi-0005G2-1E for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 00:31:30 -0400 Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u5P4VKKv013946 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:31:21 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5P4VKwH021197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:31:20 GMT Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u5P4VIY1018630; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:31:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8b28f442-ea66-455e-8615-2a2fe626d817@default> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 21:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) > What's the best way of referencing the a manual node in a warning message= ? I don't know what an official answer might be, but I'd say that a fairly standard way to talk about a node is to use the manual name in parens followed by the node name in `...'. For example: (elisp) `Customization Types' It used to be that we used no space after `)', but now I think a space is common. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: not.com@gmail.com, lekktu@gmail.com, mblischke@att.net, 11612@debbugs.gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.14668426479905 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 08:17:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54882 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGimN-0002Zh-Cf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:17:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGimL-0002ZS-Vj for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:17:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bGimF-0002n2-RC for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:17:20 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bGilx-0002lY-MG; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:17:01 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4613 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bGilw-0005Ym-Iv; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 04:17:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:16:17 +0300 Message-Id: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:28:55 -0400) References: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:28:55 -0400 > Cc: yary , Juanma Barranquero , > Michael , Jason Rumney > > So it's just a matter of changing the warning message to something a > little more informative, right? What's the best way of referencing the > a manual node in a warning message? In Lisp I could make a hyperlink > like this: > > (display-warning 'initialization > (concat "Use of `C:\\.emacs' to define `HOME' is > deprecated, see " > (make-text-button "HOME and Startup > Directories on MS-Windows" nil > :type 'help-info > 'help-args '("(emacs) > Windows HOME")))) > > it's a bit more awkward from C, and I'm not sure if make-text-button > can be called that early in the initialization process. It wouldn't have helped anyway. However, nowadays this warning is added to delayed-warnings-list, whose display is handled in Lisp. FWIW, repeating the OP's recipe, Emacs now starts with a split-window configuration, with the selected window showing the *scratch* buffer, and the *Warnings* buffer displaying the above-mentioned warning. So I'm not sure the original complaint is still valid. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 13:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: yary , Juanma Barranquero , Michael , 11612@debbugs.gnu.org, Jason Rumney Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.146686215916006 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 13:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 13:42:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54988 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGnr4-0004A6-TM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:42:39 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f52.google.com ([209.85.218.52]:34355) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGnr3-00049t-9n for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:42:37 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f52.google.com with SMTP id s66so149554459oif.1 for <11612@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:42:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=1SAPcM9CEKvq2OYyMhz7knOZ9OMlZOE08nilbH88xY4=; b=U9mf3nV4vd6DBQfxZaovIq+0IWHJaR/moEq2DGITMsNf5qIYCPUMTOUKp/CJIv5Xdo owL90VMY2Yqw4i2YdCSvgmnIw3cjOmMof0sBc84izzRXsldXYCNo3amHLa6p1dMwMJMx b78EubKtzdIWemGULgCfjOYTC0Zak0zqbAFd7nvC21lzsn3Vmrhp7fdmcmyfD9Q9lKnI euCAoMEPwMdEjnlAF/1asrMTZm/Ir5pih/AaK/iHdMpfYlSmnhfj0rFetvgYyf0+9yix DtoBnmpFKFmNrwNRMLpDoGQZ5+Q0Tf+X1Rv3ZQgmO0/Uq3ciHdcwAcA/DTxamry+32Xc EIEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1SAPcM9CEKvq2OYyMhz7knOZ9OMlZOE08nilbH88xY4=; b=PMchRvL4wSqtiYolvdGWEopnkSiOwqCFFsKDAJGjFcYgsU0JMVIB1JBx6eId6AxPgW tOJKr8p77RISvMCKsWb1WTzjxvTPbGVcpiytA1S3IktNDkuoWCciX+RNhC4EJUJ+T97l lTG5By0Dbja4WuLVwAoNg/Fk22aTaCpkxGwObsSzgDehskp5Em3X2pmw8uyZkX+B4Gle dF7AJZ4WXrlpVfO84AZxJYyVdOL1QDryw/ikpRK6C2bWB9GT5PT8s2Xgcq6vH6RHYlJc KnLJjtrDvaS4yq0nDEvGh7nHn2L7DgBDpqMCfskJ0dTmnDW51MWVUAAkj6x5o+Mi1Wev zqzw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIl1E9AVC10lggKwG62+NE+lQ0jsAH7eXhSdNyQJaadyyjltmbSIk82mA5OUvMMhGtX9PZ73jwhaX9Utg== X-Received: by 10.202.219.135 with SMTP id s129mr6015845oig.144.1466862151758; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:42:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.238 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:42:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:42:31 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3mldxs-gwEsc0dYBQz91HOF_9Pc Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001a113d379c7e0cf005361a75d0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a113d379c7e0cf005361a75d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > FWIW, repeating the OP's recipe, Emacs now starts with a split-window > configuration, with the selected window showing the *scratch* buffer, > and the *Warnings* buffer displaying the above-mentioned warning. So > I'm not sure the original complaint is still valid. I think the complaint is more about the wording of the message and less about the buffer/window configuration. 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Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:51:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.158.209 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 06:51:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> From: yary Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:51:21 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Noam Postavsky wrote: > I think the complaint is more about the wording of the message and > less about the buffer/window configuration. So I propose rewording it > to > > Use of `C:\.emacs' to define `HOME' is deprecated, see (emacs) > `Windows Home' > > This way the user will be pointed to the relevant section of the > manual, and since the warning uses the same phrasing as the manual, > searching for the warning should turn up links to that manual section > as well. Yes, thanks, that message is clear and would have prevented my original bug report! From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: not.com@gmail.com, lekktu@gmail.com, mblischke@att.net, 11612@debbugs.gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.146686441720079 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 14:20:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55608 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGoRU-0005Dn-W5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:20:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGoRS-0005DZ-A3 for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:20:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bGoRM-0001kw-4i for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:20:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51123) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bGoR0-0001Z7-E9; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:19:46 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1341 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bGoQy-000671-41; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 10:19:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 17:18:53 +0300 Message-Id: <83por5z702.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:42:31 -0400) References: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:42:31 -0400 > Cc: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org, yary , > Juanma Barranquero , Michael , Jason Rumney > > > FWIW, repeating the OP's recipe, Emacs now starts with a split-window > > configuration, with the selected window showing the *scratch* buffer, > > and the *Warnings* buffer displaying the above-mentioned warning. So > > I'm not sure the original complaint is still valid. > > I think the complaint is more about the wording of the message and > less about the buffer/window configuration. So I propose rewording it > to > > Use of `C:\.emacs' to define `HOME' is deprecated, see (emacs) > `Windows Home' I don't think this is significantly more clear than the current text. "Use of `C:\.emacs' to define `HOME'" is only understandable by people who know how Emacs on Windows defines HOME when it is not defined in the environment. If we want to come up with a better text, let's make it very clear. How about this text instead: Use of `C:\.emacs' without defining `HOME' in the environment is deprecated, see `Windows Home' in the Emacs manual. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: yary hluchan , Juanma Barranquero , Michael , 11612@debbugs.gnu.org, Jason Rumney Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.146686866726554 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 15:31:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55628 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGpY3-0006uE-As for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:31:07 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f44.google.com ([209.85.218.44]:35414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGpY0-0006tk-T1 for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:31:05 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f44.google.com with SMTP id r2so151778092oih.2 for <11612@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:31:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=x2hD+6mS2Gl0KeOG4c6ZZr7sjg17XrBYe03yYH/bi0M=; b=DWjGRw3yHTGy01YzEn9osZuofrnxTZ/V+ztaaCZUZHmBGUqEW/e/75jHf66il4Jkrs BiSkWhSCBoEGGOh/w4QQUgB5ZvRuOIIV9ck4hFyb4jseHjmhSFPGsMIRZhwJY1wc+Y3h O2DnQMjekxbM6QDT5Mv0cD9E8ncjFt2S2R3DNrP11/ZY9EGypD5u2uhY7lKADwJMzRhi URNk+YBf/HajDQU/PnbXF256TU5VNOm7rFjEdgWWXpC/kVo5vFk/FyFXY0LL45bieJkU qPjdwWq/lDkjYcqpMohzc5npkFErFKq9yrAY/z8g50hTV6V0z8AQ2tOmnguxGz1tV5h1 4Qew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x2hD+6mS2Gl0KeOG4c6ZZr7sjg17XrBYe03yYH/bi0M=; b=JtB1xU2E9GiF1GqacawnHMgswUVF+aajGs4NyLYIEjDbiG3P9fnz9MA0f/wta0bN3a JjPaM+17VpW36jJbCwp3exG7qXFcUSxuvFmAwESiegUbFMC/HBszPnVhu1QXgbBJPMx7 q2H4VKUS30T+P4agjxAER7C+V8wn+JoBH3zYx8YyJ0AAwA3BgeVuhpguPdUTdwaNhwjU ZMcWKhOa8zs5dKBe3JKMHbXuPf4ENa7cUrirCwC6bwEZbWSSnAMs/s4tg3dv2BStZ8CE yZv7nz2FrHIyCt4URLCRfWia18DGCp4ddu5RaAt6rVA/aWL/BKqpJDQFrfi2aa8F+njj KZYA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJa57rEB2HH+4UjoieI2teeg+dtHSHW/YFkacmv15ztg8uDCLW708Ow/HbR2ghUdPAYP+JGU6G6hV/cTA== X-Received: by 10.202.5.193 with SMTP id 184mr4820106oif.143.1466868659084; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:30:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.238 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:30:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83por5z702.fsf@gnu.org> References: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> <83por5z702.fsf@gnu.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:30:58 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KGRutxhL3awLqAUWcpatAM3E560 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Use of `C:\.emacs' to define `HOME' is deprecated, see (emacs) >> `Windows Home' > > I don't think this is significantly more clear than the current text. > "Use of `C:\.emacs' to define `HOME'" is only understandable by people > who know how Emacs on Windows defines HOME when it is not defined in > the environment. If we want to come up with a better text, let's make > it very clear. > > How about this text instead: > > Use of `C:\.emacs' without defining `HOME' in the environment is deprecated, see `Windows Home' in the Emacs manual. Looks good; I was trying to keep it short, but probably I went too short. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Noam Postavsky Cc: not.com@gmail.com, lekktu@gmail.com, mblischke@att.net, 11612@debbugs.gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.146686930027419 (code B ref 11612); Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2016 15:41:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55634 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGpiG-00078B-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:41:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bGpiF-000780-Dd for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:41:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bGpi9-0003GQ-GM for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:41:34 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51861) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bGphh-0003FN-Gg; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:41:05 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1856 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bGphd-0005Np-0C; Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:41:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 18:40:14 +0300 Message-Id: <83inwxz38h.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:30:58 -0400) References: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> <83por5z702.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:30:58 -0400 > Cc: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org, yary hluchan , > Juanma Barranquero , Michael , Jason Rumney > > > Use of `C:\.emacs' without defining `HOME' in the environment is deprecated, see `Windows Home' in the Emacs manual. > > Looks good; I was trying to keep it short, but probably I went too short. It's `Windows HOME', btw. Thanks. From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: yary Subject: bug#11612: closed (Re: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 11612 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 01:02:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1466989322-10649-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1466989322-10649-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:06:54 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org. Please check that the From: line contains a valid email address. After a delay of up to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address. Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators for other languages. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': Using the Windows release candidate binaries, build 1 24.1, running with emacs -Q, starts emacs with a *Warning* buffer: Warning (initialization): Setting HOME to C:\ by default is deprecated I believe previous emacs set HOME to %UserProfile% - regardless of the setting for emacs 24, its default should not cause a warning, or at least the warning could a suggest remedy. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file c:/Program Files/emacs-24/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 24.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-06-01 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-w M-x r e p o r Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail regexp-opt rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils help-mode easymenu view warnings time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs) ------------=_1466989322-10649-1-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Andy Moreton Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.146702614419196 (code B ref -1); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 11:16:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2016 11:15:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57504 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHUW0-0004zX-97 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:15:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38529) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHUVz-0004zK-2t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:15:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHUVq-000094-Kk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:15:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:48719) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHUVq-00008n-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:15:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57699) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHUVl-0007Qs-5Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:15:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHUVh-00007l-CU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:15:28 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:42731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bHUVh-00007Z-65 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:15:25 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bHUVd-0007hL-Qk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:15:21 +0200 Received: from uk.solarflare.com ([193.34.186.16]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:15:21 +0200 Received: from andrewjmoreton by uk.solarflare.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:15:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Andy Moreton Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 12:15:11 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> <83por5z702.fsf@gnu.org> <83inwxz38h.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: uk.solarflare.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tRc4JWsqFPpBOKIiunUj02UKR2M= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) On Sun 26 Jun 2016, Noam Postavsky wrote: > Version: 25.1 > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> > Use of `C:\.emacs' without defining `HOME' in the environment is deprecated, see `Windows Home' in the Emacs manual. >> It's `Windows HOME', btw. > > Pushed as fd9fad06 Please test patches before pushing - that commit does not build. The following patch fixes it: diff --git a/src/w32.c b/src/w32.c index 6948fde..9a8c248 100644 --- a/src/w32.c +++ b/src/w32.c @@ -2778,7 +2778,7 @@ init_environment (char ** argv) intern ("initialization"), build_string ("Use of `C:\\.emacs' without defining `HOME' " "in the environment is deprecated,\n" - "see `Windows Home' in the Emacs manual."))), + "see `Windows Home' in the Emacs manual.")), Vdelayed_warnings_list); } From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:26:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11612: 24.1; Defaults create warning on startup Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 12:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11612 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andy Moreton Cc: 11612@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11612-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11612.146702909030815 (code B ref 11612); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 12:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 11612) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2016 12:04:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57535 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHVHW-00080x-C9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 08:04:50 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-f43.google.com ([209.85.218.43]:35856) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bHVHU-00080k-QU for 11612@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 08:04:49 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id f189so197195397oig.3 for <11612@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:04:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=CekwZZbvmH+KNz27uhr167JMQau39fJyyBTKBR75cMg=; b=yZeFDh1JGLt4/Fw4VHAR0Guif4lEL+CfrDgs/pcDDsFPM9Ya5Lek+ZATmKHpL4A7W2 d+dRGvJxo3ZxKSzgt49RzU6348jM5PnK1DplwlvpJX8UVvK7YDhaYfym+YrFa2nXc5m+ EJzsXKuElRMoZj97ZOlboZAKtHUQufRwZju1c5PyuFjMwHwgPqT8Y7ojANuW7bpw/QKz ZsqbwF5pooXEZsw38BjU8frX0msm2JV0p1gwdUFYlLFa6561PAF3uxR3uXLxV3IXnzcL 1XLW0CuBuyuP60X6sIhOqQbOFbAJfw2wFum4rGOKGXVQ9QJkPodKHYEcTy1H6By7soyj tS3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CekwZZbvmH+KNz27uhr167JMQau39fJyyBTKBR75cMg=; b=hsiyUDaeM5UpsHC5rQ9FzehIlb93VJI3vxBLzcL1r7QAK802E0A46k4bnpWj5oG8hK ylYXsDaqxoPpBtkUamJ90naCq1jCoG57LGhVEGRnviZy4+i6uQQbhVUIB+g2DtvsmnOK pkIqmSuvGFd2yLSBFo9gbN2iyG6iMegZ63JpFZtQdgwBndfGljjeuC0FWd87GsvDK+8w u08E7D6b+k0LqIAvGto2c9RWexAH91dE5QRsjN2y8DYj7N7GOWZ5jM9Zpne6KZoiR6J4 XwTo8dtiA2i/U1qiMIXWBunaH/FKs315awc5if6OgtQr19yD9xDOFwt/HapfSmlIEr2F PD4A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI6nGtxockutyV/eNXk6KFh4L5UucJIS/ynlPookpi258h1O5EvaLpZuCr5YibU/gljo0MXkfSHKNAIlw== X-Received: by 10.202.102.35 with SMTP id a35mr301871oic.40.1467029083062; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:04:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.238 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:04:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <834m8h1y5q.fsf@gnu.org> <83por5z702.fsf@gnu.org> <83inwxz38h.fsf@gnu.org> From: Noam Postavsky Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 08:04:42 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5HZAR8QKZ9M3vdc8pkKL5lIlNq4 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 7:15 AM, Andy Moreton wrote: > Please test patches before pushing - that commit does not build. Ack, sorry! I was thinking it since it was just changing a warning message it would suffice to see it compile, but I stupidly checked that on my GNU/Linux box; obviously w32.c doesn't get compiled at all there!