From unknown Thu Aug 14 21:45:07 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#11602 <11602@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#11602 <11602@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: "Qualified group name" undefined Reply-To: bug#11602 <11602@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 04:45:07 +0000 retitle 11602 "Qualified group name" undefined reassign 11602 gnus submitter 11602 Dave Abrahams severity 11602 normal tag 11602 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 01 14:31:18 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2012 18:31:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53464 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SaWd2-0001wn-Fk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:31:18 -0400 Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]:42619) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SaWcz-0001wb-S7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:31:15 -0400 Received: by qcsq13 with SMTP id q13so1713708qcs.3 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:x-debbugs-version:x-debbugs-package:date:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=84xbRRqdSienhn++6DF/zF7qub+gy6/Zp6XMA59APU4=; b=NG9YhzGht+3UbB+tVuGb/vRQKodoXAWsOFfsO0ceJ9syk+UxLz7XRGf8ziG1nnRrWZ fGxGUUHWJ+S0iXDwJV8W8Re7bHNVXHQtCOc3uQjXDZaj6Kq7eMSl80er5dLEaBrf7qZP XS9vSM6chDC0Z+Eptz+xqxsJtIYXTlaJ9bIqU4jSDByo+baa9E9AKXf46ugGGLsminLp FYo/Q6Zkl2+gACsY3JmJgkYe2kkPbkl9Aa97ICs+rh10tVLdfqUSyznfl4FYNo97drjI KSIRQX4PZ6VWxwFOSNa0sh3S6LhMuUktYmkYSYbua+XEqnQq7//iOgNSi1TOw8gCAwt9 j6hw== Received: by 10.229.136.195 with SMTP id s3mr1226833qct.2.1338575365914; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fc4sm4822365qab.21.2012.06.01.11.29.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9C2F2509EF43; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Abrahams To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys) Subject: "Qualified group name" undefined X-Debbugs-Version: 5.130006 X-Debbugs-Package: gnus Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:29:23 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.0.94 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlAzMblPNHNbUgQ1hbxv+dKKE9cWbmtGdsZiqyN76UNDwybmUUaz8Nwy+QeU7fC1wt9+T8h X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) The info manual and docstrings for e.g. gnus-group-line-format both use the term without defining precisely what it means. Ma Gnus v0.6 GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin11.4.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0 AppKit 1138.47) of 2012-05-24 on pluto.luannocracy.com 200 news.gmane.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.1 ready (posting ok) 101 Capability list: VERSION 2 IMPLEMENTATION INN 2.5.1 AUTHINFO USER HDR LIST ACTIVE ACTIVE.TIMES DISTRIB.PATS HEADERS NEWSGROUPS OVERVIEW.FMT OVER POST READER STARTTLS . -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 11 17:11:27 2012 Received: (at 11602) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2012 21:11:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38333 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SeBtW-0004HJ-Sh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:11:27 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:53083) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SeBtT-0004HB-Vg for 11602@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:11:24 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SeBqp-0004Er-BF; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:08:39 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#11602: "Qualified group name" undefined References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEXw7+ZYQyJoWDdKMRIz HgidknMXCgP2NUKkAAACa0lEQVQ4jaVTwY7jIAz1jpQPMGT2XJzyARS29wwW5zRd9r4axP9/wj5S jdRqjgtKQvywjZ8fRK9jqrU+/9evsYv4Z2AbYzpWmM8A5jTBcaKJvntMG4CXFNg8PGCdXh0e0Z4/ Xx7yPL75/O94FDy9vuq2UYpGxOy2lyazxiAxRNvY0JzZGuvmXnpITXNmdvheyGbD4uy1a1fVou0i 9aYlEwcjfmcATTUn1Q/kSb2RYyN1AC0HzeyC309Uz42EWaoMYI2qQcL2hoa8JZpwKAlse88ai+rq bwaELgdNLrAvvSN70+A4nia50e4rEFt/AujIz2LjOy2e5DS57cYCjwYgB0EB232Dxy7bPfAASuv6 ISkHjzZWID5p1hEKLyMW4R4k7hbbcyoDaF52KwLFSK3LOFFjIFgYT074/QYPV44oK8eRB8A9pmhJ JA17v+ZoZtQnUuekMZJLh8NnyRxsycbZAGrshdCJo7S++jO4cjaCYY0bQpXHOVe/aGC24Qr6AbzX 8wE0GDFsvIwMYOVS9yNWhA3FQQIW9qQU/XRFipRdUkbCYBzM6CCc/uD0y19XGo7Vs1lG9kz2F/3u nzyv8NCxNcYZyQ3ZD/pRWhqdK6Adz+cMu5BDkx3SodH3niPUkitkJxAD+BU2416cI+haTbVGHAB0 yrEM4A2aaBdXYUoAjEBNDgLYiFNfIQ1B0SDfMdcF3rjgi44ijd8LBOedtX4BR1AkJg5i5NyV0EXm gzxmcyK6JZAzCkTfdzfI4wcAMYOSHMlgvaM5mRHDHz+4DAB4rEEnbkDGPZrqnrpyDMQo4BbRTcU9 QAGQRIMa+R9/9sV1BsBQTAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Various Artists's _After Twilight_: "Anna Domino - The Light" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:08:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Dave Abrahams's message of "Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:29:23 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1SeBqp-0004Er-BF X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1340053719.56458@5vyxiSv2lGDj+Hb1flHkAQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11602 Cc: 11602@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Dave Abrahams writes: > The info manual and docstrings for e.g. gnus-group-line-format both use > the term without defining precisely what it means. Since the doc string reads: %G Group name (string) %g Qualified group name (string) I think it would be superfluous to say much more. One is longer than the other. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 11 17:11:33 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2012 21:11:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38336 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SeBtc-0004Ha-ME for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:11:33 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:53089) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SeBtb-0004HS-0G for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:11:31 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SeBqx-0004F6-0N for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:08:47 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:08:46 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #11602 X-MailScanner-ID: 1SeBqx-0004F6-0N X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1340053727.08496@Z4Y9RKd3lviFnqUyIGP/mA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) tags 11602 wontfix close 11602 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 12 10:56:03 2012 Received: (at 11602) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jun 2012 14:56:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39562 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SeSVn-0001ag-6S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:56:03 -0400 Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]:53871) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SeSVk-0001aI-QV for 11602@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:56:01 -0400 Received: by qcsq13 with SMTP id q13so266879qcs.3 for <11602@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:53:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=hssA+LyF7RMEGPNUNPOpdDV82X5APRnelya2FlhAtlg=; b=APV5ea+WzMTNQNL2EUDsHy55SqNGF8tgxIboeIrRJmOKG3vBzDeZg5wYLgSwktrwLN NFvBAVoSRp/FzqmVklX4eQsxYBAx6oK1zhz1oZ0j5j4sITd8NU1LX5xvHKG6k1kG0Zjy HN/hbJMDs3OJ5MTLtUjCEQPOGUYhi8hTCSyXLWsTxNk6BlqrxxoYehooHC1e274a5GFy 61mfrvw4mJf+TMKSNjKe65HXpwjZvUkzGVRgULlzyLim4P2bkf+/NJ6zU62E408huHtX KUezdBg7ORE62MAo4eNPwJ3Hbkdm2K/reHVZ6o9Ox+vcDQZkZjdKj2/GqntFfAt5Yw3c IgAA== Received: by 10.224.77.19 with SMTP id e19mr20318373qak.49.1339512797950; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy5sm3671124qab.3.2012.06.12.07.53.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id BBB02529AE5B; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:53:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Abrahams To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#11602: "Qualified group name" undefined References: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:53:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:08:38 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.0.94 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnSs9o+m5ToN1u027/ZG2eIxZW+wCjCb0WnHHne/1O5YDNyQvs3CC07UqV/Nt5ONrBbEWYF X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11602 Cc: 11602@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) on Mon Jun 11 2012, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Dave Abrahams writes: > >> The info manual and docstrings for e.g. gnus-group-line-format both use >> the term without defining precisely what it means. > > Since the doc string reads: > > %G Group name (string) > %g Qualified group name (string) > > I think it would be superfluous to say much more. One is longer than > the other. I think I've not made my point very clearly. Let me try again. If I'm writing some code to work with Gnus, I can almost never tell whether a Gnus function that takes "a group name" expects a "qualified group name" or some "unqualified" group name form, nor can I tell precisely what that distinction means. Do I have to convert one to the other? If so, when and where must that happen? The fact that one is longer than the other is not the only interesting feature of qualification. -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 20 13:23:50 2012 Received: (at 11602) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2012 17:23:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50135 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOdC-0002o4-GW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:23:50 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:46998) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOdA-0002nx-Bz for 11602@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:23:49 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ShOZg-0007Fi-Va; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:20:13 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#11602: "Qualified group name" undefined References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEW3GDo3AARNAAnhYIqp DyvVQWnHJUrme5v3scyZCiR4BBeUCCKpmv4mAAACRElEQVQ4jV2Tv4rbQBDGB6JTuKTyQV7A6dIu /lOq2EsQaQJida1JrA2kCohjnQcIUplCCQh1gRCQmhTXyPty982sZPvyYTffb2d2ZnZEzpVKbepq HXWt9/69F/3zVDM41PV93rWd919969u2fd6RghxAubqGIS6rI5MF4JzZt2cBmBUTh986DWajddsC GAC5516naatZSZSSBcnUymSH+rsOLlFsr6kweWFMTsV2BrGxhdkjVW6LfHeV3yEVRFQopPjAgKyN dFKoNdvWbJzauDW53ALoBhl2OrE4fKhR/j3MHRGlDQ6Tpk8b7qmuXEnwI66b02u6q0WVc4TzUaql q5hoGwDmgHidTu3aM6gcfM3+D80gnkFdURtm+nP/FNTkR3kZXJ48BcPA/sggJnsBsr4fBCQY3iXo oWEYpUGym3NVDHo/hmEXofEzGBq2LQ/QzeC3gOTz2toCoJaQQ1XSksEDvxX+GSJ4MQS8AfhlWMoo BhVGiOkuOeQ2U2aV8YbNYoCQW7wmg9nGI9JLAZwo40QwS+zSVoWIt1YAhLNBALjkAVu0kv1SOK64 kgCG5lluePXAMqnQ0EJyjVgK7pxrZlk7gSEhK6wIdgAgwzRdW4or4EZukSdM4snlVVtMIWPTaIli RYmmKwZc2MgbFIWF1+8iRDDp/3zh9230SRNYDuHl09NHyCDcggKwRX7EN+27MYBQmKzLSQIWoUsO mtlxAjchZNIR/wn8Ry7AXMCLYA89vQ7+q49LafRbAH+PpwgpLUjqeATRRbvlXWAhHAAAAABJRU5E rkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Arthur Russell's _World of Echo_: "The Name of The Next Song" Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:20:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Dave Abrahams's message of "Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:53:15 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1ShOZg-0007Fi-Va X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1340817614.05498@hBGXNsWA9GOb1/nmM01DJg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11602 Cc: 11602@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Dave Abrahams writes: > I think I've not made my point very clearly. Let me try again. If I'm > writing some code to work with Gnus, I can almost never tell whether a > Gnus function that takes "a group name" expects a "qualified group name" > or some "unqualified" group name form, nor can I tell precisely what > that distinction means. Do I have to convert one to the other? If so, > when and where must that happen? The fact that one is longer than the > other is not the only interesting feature of qualification. Gnus uses full group names everywhere. The backends use the group names that make sense over the wire. So Gnus uses "nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.discuss", while nntp.el uses "gmane.discuss". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Thu Aug 14 21:45:07 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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