From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Tobias Bading Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13383864143117 (code B ref -1); Wed, 30 May 2012 14:01:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 14:00:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50302 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjRe-0000oD-5U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:00:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjRa-0000o0-TP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:00:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjPz-0006FB-AH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:58:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, PLING_QUERY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:51322) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjPz-0006En-6y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:58:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48881) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjPs-0001rm-7j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:58:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjPm-000650-AI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:58:23 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]:44710) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjPm-00063O-12 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:58:18 -0400 Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC771B55073B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.20.6.71] ([194.115.213.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MUnqm-1SWUGJ1oqa-00YD7u; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:58:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:58:10 +0200 From: Tobias Bading User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:fn7h8yzdah7LgfKP+pb+++2DkPEKxY1UFfzLUbIF6ZY xju+xkhHc7WwYEPowT3r7tLJ6SNkQdQlxfGKAO7/tZ47Q29yc7 Vh7yMbom013jEoHVoAq/eqQehbRExPFvrwLOuotBMoO5em8ByX 9cEp9kJUx90nLCqqy16Z9jzPCrkyMcSDwewsXug/7N/v+B/Pi9 ZxIOGQkCUm8KJUzjsMo7w== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Hi, I'm not entirely sure whether this is a bug or a feature, but selecting a region with a combination of keyboard and mouse doesn't work any longer in Emacs 24, at least not in a plain emacs -Q session. Marking the start of a region with C-SPC and then using a simple mouse click to mark the end doesn't work anymore, because clicking anywhere seems to set the mark now. My muscle memory, trained over decades by Emacs 23 and its predecessors, doesn't like this change. I keep M-w'ing and C-w'ing empty regions :-(. What's also a bit annoying IMHO is that fact, that the Cut and Copy buttons in the tool-bar flash everytime I click somewhere to position the cursor. I just notice this now, because I don't have a tool-bar in my usual customization. Is there a customization option that I've overlooked which prevents (or is it ?) from setting the mark? I've also looked over the "** Selection changes" part of etc/NEWS, but didn't find anything related to this particular effect. Kind regards, Tobias --- In GNU Emacs 24.0.97.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2012-05-25 on pen-bld-274apcl Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10706000 Configured using: `configure '--prefix=...'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: POSIX value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: de_DE.utf8 value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-SPC C-w Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Mark set Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail regexp-opt rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Tobias Bading Cc: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.13383874554640 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 14:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 14:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50343 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjiQ-0001Cn-WE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:17:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:56476 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjiP-0001Cg-2l for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:17:33 -0400 Received: from cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg ([202.156.80.162]:42463 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZjgw-0006wH-KY; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:16:03 -0400 From: Chong Yidong References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:15:55 +0800 In-Reply-To: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> (Tobias Bading's message of "Wed, 30 May 2012 15:58:10 +0200") Message-ID: <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.97 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Tobias Bading writes: > Marking the start of a region with C-SPC and then using a simple mouse > click to mark the end doesn't work anymore, because clicking anywhere > seems to set the mark now. My muscle memory, trained over decades by > Emacs 23 and its predecessors, doesn't like this change. > > Is there a customization option that I've overlooked which prevents > (or is it ?) from setting the mark? mouse-1 does not set the mark, but it does deactivate the mark if the mark was active. But that is the case in both Emacs 23 and Emacs 24, so I don't know what you're talking about. To extend the region, the usual Emacs command is mouse-3 (right click), which works in both Emacs 23 and Emacs 24. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Tobias Bading Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Chong Yidong Cc: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839197614306 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 15:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 15:32:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50441 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZktL-0003ig-Si for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:32:56 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]:41552) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZkt1-0003iC-Gg for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:32:54 -0400 Received: from moweb001.kundenserver.de (moweb001.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.114]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9871B5493CC for <11588@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:31:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.26] ([79.197.222.126]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MWRkA-1SX12n2QsE-00XeZE; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:30:59 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tobias Bading In-Reply-To: <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:30:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:O5X6UQTk0oDJ7O5Bgmc9DnSkkZ3AGhArRhxOIr0zzXV 5d4wE1gkx+Ic5DoC9c0X6OrxER3ap1vH07xyqTEXi6mBx0a/zg KKbPyShxZboXw6WOwsaB80P1urLJc0fWA3ZoefaVxVgpn71SLn 2/UdzSLjno3u+dImo0gMmL9Oi8IXsHe1+wl9JIQVXyByUKx2mR ucOKEnjSYJVwqLWq6MLIQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) On 30.05.2012, at 16:15, Chong Yidong wrote: > Tobias Bading writes: >=20 >> Marking the start of a region with C-SPC and then using a simple = mouse >> click to mark the end doesn't work anymore, because clicking anywhere >> seems to set the mark now. My muscle memory, trained over decades by >> Emacs 23 and its predecessors, doesn't like this change. >>=20 >> Is there a customization option that I've overlooked which prevents >> (or is it ?) from setting the mark? >=20 > mouse-1 does not set the mark, but it does deactivate the mark if the > mark was active. But that is the case in both Emacs 23 and Emacs 24, = so > I don't know what you're talking about. Umm... emacs -Q: C-h v mark-ring RET shows that mark-ring is initially nil. Now click times with the left mouse button somewhere in the = *scratch* buffer. Now mark-ring contains elements. Am I missing or misinterpreting something here? C-SPC, left mouse click somewhere, then C-w doesn't kill anything. In = Emacs 23, it did. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:48:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Tobias Bading'" , "'Chong Yidong'" Cc: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839284715506 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 15:48:04 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 15:47:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZl7P-000423-A5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:47:27 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:23488) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZl75-00041Y-GM for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:47:26 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4UFjV3c017240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 May 2012 15:45:32 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4UFjUsE002360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 May 2012 15:45:30 GMT Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4UFjUn2018093; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:45:30 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:45:29 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org> <79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 08:45:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> Thread-Index: Ac0+eVV/4VjJX9XBTpmImjw1JgzrGAAAU0FA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) > > mouse-1 does not set the mark, but it does deactivate the > > mark if the mark was active. > > Umm... emacs -Q: > C-h v mark-ring RET shows that mark-ring is initially nil. > Now click times with the left mouse button somewhere in > the *scratch* buffer. Now mark-ring contains elements. > > Am I missing or misinterpreting something here? No, you are correct. C-h k, then click mouse-1. You'll see that `down-mouse-1' is bound to `mouse-drag-region', but `mouse-1' is bound to `mouse-set-point', which sets point to the click position. > C-SPC, left mouse click somewhere, then C-w doesn't kill > anything. In Emacs 23, it did. You are correct about that also. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Tobias Bading Cc: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839569619684 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 16:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 16:34:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50520 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZlrJ-00057O-8M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:34:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60829 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZlrH-00057H-Ez for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:34:52 -0400 Received: from cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg ([202.156.80.162]:43193 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZlpo-0001Ih-FV; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:33:21 -0400 From: Chong Yidong References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org> <79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 00:33:12 +0800 In-Reply-To: <79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> (Tobias Bading's message of "Wed, 30 May 2012 17:30:55 +0200") Message-ID: <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.97 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Tobias Bading writes: > Umm... emacs -Q: > C-h v mark-ring RET shows that mark-ring is initially nil. > Now click times with the left mouse button somewhere in the > *scratch* buffer. > Now mark-ring contains elements. > > Am I missing or misinterpreting something here? C-SPC, left mouse > click somewhere, then C-w doesn't kill anything. In Emacs 23, it did. OK, now I see what you mean. The old mouse dragging code had a special behavior to pop the mark if you did not move the mouse much after the down event, to avoid setting the mark (this did not work reliably; if you move the mouse a little bit between the down and up events, the mark gets set anyway). I'll see if there is a way to get this to work with the new code, but it won't be for the 24.1 release. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Chong Yidong'" , "'Tobias Bading'" Cc: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839625120602 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 16:45:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 16:44:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50532 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZm0H-0005MC-2S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:44:10 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:42972) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZm0F-0005Lc-5o for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:44:07 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4UGgT4Y031321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 May 2012 16:42:30 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4UGgSun023713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 May 2012 16:42:29 GMT Received: from abhmt106.oracle.com (abhmt106.oracle.com [141.146.116.58]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4UGgSgS025154; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:28 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:42:28 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:42:27 -0700 Message-ID: <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac0+gfqePS/BHIopRqa7dUdmzZhoogAAHkCQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) > OK, now I see what you mean. > > The old mouse dragging code had a special behavior to pop the mark if > you did not move the mouse much after the down event, to avoid setting > the mark (this did not work reliably; if you move the mouse a little bit > between the down and up events, the mark gets set anyway). > I'll see if there is a way to get this to work with the new code, but it > won't be for the 24.1 release. Why not? The "old" behavior was the behavior forever, and for a reason. Why release with the regression? What's the hurry? Why not restore the old code, and move the "new" to 24.2 and fix it there, taking as much time as you like to get it right? From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Tobias Bading Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Chong Yidong Cc: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839639420851 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 16:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 16:46:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZm2c-0005QF-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:46:34 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]:43520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZm2b-0005Q3-AO for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:46:33 -0400 Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017FE1B552873 for <11588@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:44:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.26] ([79.197.222.126]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MWRkA-1SWzp52LPe-00XeTb; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:44:57 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tobias Bading In-Reply-To: <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:44:56 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <09F5AA4E-C9F7-4ED6-9FD4-FE60767BFA42@web.de> References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org> <79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:hcYN6d+tKpe4IE/bz7cfZGLDOnDVyYxXwig8zpOGkOQ 1J7JWCSahPnRI6LPhlEX59CYfy6+C4+1KF1KTFZWF99JAzyFaU fpmPfv35WOn8IGKVki4BamxwebuL9+DcmynUJ3ieSNSDgPVvpR j+YofcT1t0CENn4wova8zXfo4MqoUrSJL1JteBfk1X3ENPsLLW 6botQjYyIkWRO7dTLL4HA== X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) > The old mouse dragging code had a special behavior to pop the mark if > you did not move the mouse much after the down event, to avoid setting > the mark (this did not work reliably; if you move the mouse a little = bit > between the down and up events, the mark gets set anyway). HURRAY, I'm not losing my mind! Thank you, Chong! A slight mouse = movement between the mouse down and up events causing the mark to be set = in Emacs 23 finally explains why sometimes I was unable to kill or copy = a region with C-SPC at point, mouse click there and then C-w or M-w. = That is quite a bad bug in Emacs 23 then to be honest. Tobias From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Tobias Bading Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839680521441 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 16:54:02 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 16:53:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50554 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZm9F-0005Zm-5V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:53:25 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]:50676) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZm8v-0005Yz-AI for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:53:23 -0400 Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE521B551C7A for <11588@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:51:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.26] ([79.197.222.126]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MX0lw-1SUEEa0JTY-00W0ge; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:51:16 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tobias Bading In-Reply-To: <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:51:15 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:U7jkH8qwEHPXWwf3k0ZsSCd2GRenXgsmfMPEEpaLXGr NYJ3ePAyAyBQJSh/fzmaway41lpMSXcIvB1XWWWf1JatJm03n6 hVY8UZJPenDCK7MFrTtgxb8EXlxo0Rp6zlONcB2frxE+6BcE8R tl54JgppXhRao3Vk7q4Js5aDW3fDxr3+J52nY0hqOBVeEsAVkL Is9aborHjRmXfDjumCGaw== X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) On 30.05.2012, at 18:42, Drew Adams wrote: >> OK, now I see what you mean. >>=20 >> The old mouse dragging code had a special behavior to pop the mark if >> you did not move the mouse much after the down event, to avoid = setting >> the mark (this did not work reliably; if you move the mouse a little = bit >> between the down and up events, the mark gets set anyway). =20 >> I'll see if there is a way to get this to work with the new code, but = it >> won't be for the 24.1 release. >=20 > Why not? The "old" behavior was the behavior forever, and for a = reason. >=20 > Why release with the regression? What's the hurry? >=20 > Why not restore the old code, and move the "new" to 24.2 and fix it = there, > taking as much time as you like to get it right? The bug in Emacs 23 caused by a slight mouse movement between mouse down = and up events that Chong described is quite bad IMHO. Probably worse = than a mouse click setting the mark every time. Please don't put that = bug back in :-). Tobias From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Tobias Bading'" Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839838923687 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 17:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 17:19:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50584 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZmYn-00069z-1h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:19:49 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:36527) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZmYl-00069l-9C for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:19:48 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4UHI9Eg005245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 May 2012 17:18:10 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4UHI9Uc014019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 May 2012 17:18:09 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4UHI8fF022920; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:18:09 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:18:08 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> Thread-Index: Ac0+hHfKMWahwImXT52YJ1gzUNlW1wAAURkg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) > The bug in Emacs 23 caused by a slight mouse movement between > mouse down and up events that Chong described is quite bad > IMHO. Probably worse than a mouse click setting the mark > every time. Please don't put that bug back in :-). Now it's my turn to say I don't understand. Whether in Emacs 22, 23, or 24, if you move the mouse more than a character width between down and up then you end up selecting the text you dragged over, even if it is only one char - and thus highlighting it. If you then hit `C-w', the selected text is killed. C'est normal. You can _see_ the text to be killed. That's the point of mouse-selection highlighting (and the point behind transient-mark-mode highlighting). If you don't want to kill the text that you see highlighted, then don't kill it. I don't understand the problem that the change is designed to fix. You say that you hit C-SPC, then you clicked mouse-1 elsewhere but you mistakenly dragged a bit between button down and up. OK. It should have been clear with the highlighting that the text to be killed did not extend from your C-SPC. Where was the mystery? Sounds like a case of if-it-hurts-don't-do-it. FWIW, I don't think I have ever mistakenly dragged the mouse slightly between down and up. Maybe I've been lucky. But if some people have that problem then the solution is to do what we do generally for GUIs (e.g. for double-clicking speed): let users customize the tolerance for such dragging. Setting your tolerance greater than one char (e.g. 1.4 chars) would probably take care of your problem. Of course, if you set it too high (e.g. 1.6 chars) then you cannot then select a single char with the mouse... From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Tobias Bading Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839891624474 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 17:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 17:28:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50614 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZmhI-0006Mg-Bo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:28:36 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]:50972) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZmhH-0006MQ-1U for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:28:35 -0400 Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398031B553016 for <11588@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:26:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.26] ([79.197.222.126]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LiUVY-1S1oty23My-00cfFq; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:26:58 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tobias Bading In-Reply-To: <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:26:54 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:vq+rn/rfaa2CqN3fxDUav/1OoXhR3KcrWQV/x99512j Q+nuWJoUf+A4npl8NdCVO+Ii+OHG3Q0+WKT5HxYz3fun5MqYRR BG9ivixSADsIB59Nh59iusSADi9/KuovqRkwP2yyZT1mugqdvf uRVvU+Lrd50p4dgBmhpWHb9tMTT9PidKLNXBC4jmZCgF9091ym JX6UnG2ZfuOBVUzn+dSiw== X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) On 30.05.2012, at 19:18, Drew Adams wrote: >> The bug in Emacs 23 caused by a slight mouse movement between=20 >> mouse down and up events that Chong described is quite bad=20 >> IMHO. Probably worse than a mouse click setting the mark=20 >> every time. Please don't put that bug back in :-). >=20 > Now it's my turn to say I don't understand. >=20 > Whether in Emacs 22, 23, or 24, if you move the mouse more than a = character > width between down and up then you end up selecting the text you = dragged over, > even if it is only one char - and thus highlighting it. If you then = hit `C-w', > the selected text is killed. C'est normal. >=20 > You can _see_ the text to be killed. That's the point of = mouse-selection > highlighting (and the point behind transient-mark-mode highlighting). = If you > don't want to kill the text that you see highlighted, then don't kill = it. >=20 > I don't understand the problem that the change is designed to fix. = You say that > you hit C-SPC, then you clicked mouse-1 elsewhere but you mistakenly = dragged a > bit between button down and up. OK. It should have been clear with = the > highlighting that the text to be killed did not extend from your = C-SPC. Where > was the mystery? >=20 > Sounds like a case of if-it-hurts-don't-do-it. Wish it was that easy. I think Chong meant a mouse movement by just a = few pixels, not characters. At least that would explain perfectly my = am-I-to-stupid-to-use-a-mouse-or-what moments. I obviously moved the = mouse a pixel or two while clicking, resulting in a mark being set at = point. C-w or M-w after that kills or copies an empty region. That's = exactly what I managed to do every once in a while in Emacs 23. At least = Emacs 24 is consistent, it never works ;-). > FWIW, I don't think I have ever mistakenly dragged the mouse slightly = between > down and up. Maybe I've been lucky. Yup, checking my medication might solve my problem, too. :-D Tobias From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Tobias Bading'" Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133839977725795 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 17:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 17:42:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50670 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZmv9-0006hz-PJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:42:56 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:51912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZmv6-0006hl-Rs for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:42:53 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4UHfFms029902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 May 2012 17:41:16 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4UHfFHY008721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 May 2012 17:41:15 GMT Received: from abhmt116.oracle.com (abhmt116.oracle.com [141.146.116.68]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4UHfEBx002552; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:41:14 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:41:14 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:41:13 -0700 Message-ID: <09E008A7AE464D6684168E06E124A762@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac0+iYBxGbTa1df2R2+Q7y5pY8nKfwAAVc/w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) > Wish it was that easy. I think Chong meant a mouse movement > by just a few pixels, not characters. At least that would > explain perfectly my am-I-to-stupid-to-use-a-mouse-or-what > moments. I obviously moved the mouse a pixel or two while > clicking, resulting in a mark being set at point. C-w or M-w > after that kills or copies an empty region. That's exactly > what I managed to do every once in a while in Emacs 23. At > least Emacs 24 is consistent, it never works ;-). Yidong said, "if you move the mouse a little bit between the down and up events, the mark gets set anyway". So it sounds like that "little-bit" setting, if only a pixel or two, was too small. I would have guessed (incorrectly) that it would have been at least half of a char-width. But as I said, the best thing in a case like this, where different users would anyway want/need different tolerances, would be to provide a user setting (option) for the slop movement between down and up. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Tobias Bading Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133840152228356 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 18:13:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 18:12:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50696 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnNJ-0007N6-Ei for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:12:01 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]:47652) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnNH-0007Mp-Gg for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:12:00 -0400 Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0651AF3A056 for <11588@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:10:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.26] ([79.197.222.126]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M1FqS-1RlH7v0Chk-00tE5h; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:10:23 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tobias Bading In-Reply-To: <09E008A7AE464D6684168E06E124A762@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:10:22 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <02129C61-D438-4F4C-A6F2-0A777840DAB6@web.de> References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> <09E008A7AE464D6684168E06E124A762@us.oracle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:OgNoQosvUuwFRoUoPZuCk0mLofZZ2k9xqFLxdXSOLnl 2Iks3xUvi+Rs5cqnvAMceNADColvzMPLW8rtXLVhwZf5PdmWSZ Pjn0SEq0oMrAL4dD08IZhsIim6Fa9/pKbih/K0bExjgF/H/C8a a1i4n+RMuU7Xro/hn8NvVqFegetawXmb9Tq+2Tw6A3zd6bgrw1 hGVV6bLHrHzjQcmnqnUjA== X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) On 30.05.2012, at 19:41, Drew Adams wrote: > Yidong said, "if you move the mouse a little bit between the down and = up events, > the mark gets set anyway". So it sounds like that "little-bit" = setting, if only > a pixel or two, was too small. I would have guessed (incorrectly) = that it would > have been at least half of a char-width. >=20 > But as I said, the best thing in a case like this, where different = users would > anyway want/need different tolerances, would be to provide a user = setting > (option) for the slop movement between down and up. Agreed, some threshold value (probably in pixels) to distinguish between = a click and a drag would be nice. Although, isn't this part of the job of a window system? Something like: = When a mouse button is pressed, only start sending mouse-move events = after the mouse has travelled at least a small distance? Otherwise every = click on an icon with a non-100% steady hand would be interpreted as a = request to move the icon. Oh my, GUI stuff is complicated ;-). From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Tobias Bading'" Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133840234932649 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 18:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 18:25:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnae-0008UY-Hb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:25:48 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:39710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnaL-0008Tc-8i for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:25:48 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4UINqk9008585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 May 2012 18:23:53 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4UINp5Q021247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 May 2012 18:23:51 GMT Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4UINoW0004514; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:23:50 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:23:50 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> <09E008A7AE464D6684168E06E124A762@us.oracle.com> <02129C61-D438-4F4C-A6F2-0A777840DAB6@web.de> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:23:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3DACE48F602F4D59BD15600DA09DD8CA@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <02129C61-D438-4F4C-A6F2-0A777840DAB6@web.de> Thread-Index: Ac0+j3zhbikWabWhSb6Sqks3UpyGcgAAZhjg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) > Although, isn't this part of the job of a window system? > Something like: When a mouse button is pressed, only start > sending mouse-move events after the mouse has travelled at > least a small distance? Otherwise every click on an icon with > a non-100% steady hand would be interpreted as a request to > move the icon. Oh my, GUI stuff is complicated ;-). The window mgr doesn't know what Emacs defines as a drag, and it has no notion of setting point. Emacs should define the behavior for itself. The Emacs mouse is a bit special all 'round - much of how it behaves is particular to Emacs. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Tobias Bading Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.13384040545907 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 18:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 18:54:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50747 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZo29-0001XD-Mh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:54:13 -0400 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]:34560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZo1o-0001WS-WE for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:54:11 -0400 Received: from moweb001.kundenserver.de (moweb001.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.114]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32371B5539FF for <11588@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:52:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.26] ([79.197.222.126]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M4Zlk-1Roa8y0X1Q-00yiTb; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:52:16 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tobias Bading In-Reply-To: <3DACE48F602F4D59BD15600DA09DD8CA@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:52:15 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <582D26E2-752F-44BC-87C3-21083E12AA89@web.de> References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> <09E008A7AE464D6684168E06E124A762@us.oracle.com> <02129C61-D438-4F4C-A6F2-0A777840DAB6@web.de> <3DACE48F602F4D59BD15600DA09DD8CA@us.oracle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:xJuqNhNpQIWcDRrm9WfvsDCpDXt2j4N6JAt1GcMLuwf FimaWusTW1olA0ekqKpSHuEONDDW88noS+SKPWg2aGNr0zo3Z3 yNRswOpkaHTsHSSvDst5bsi4tU+1dYr784vQGCOLZC4u29B+P3 FK10gsIjSl08yzhvBjhvAEOxe6+30OUMUaXNrdnv27HxcYgu5Y XnRQYE/Ga974olUIvPqDA== X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) > The window mgr doesn't know what Emacs defines as a drag, and it has = no notion > of setting point. Emacs should define the behavior for itself. The = Emacs mouse > is a bit special all 'round - much of how it behaves is particular to = Emacs. Sure, but from a user's point of view, shouldn't all applications = running under the same window system have the same understanding of a = "drag gesture"? I just took a peek into the Apple Cocoa docs, and Apple = defines a mouseDragged event. So on Mac OS, it seems that it is not the = application's job to determine whether a click starts a drag or is just = a click, the window system does that job for the application. Makes = sense to me. However, my experience with Mac OS GUI programming is = rather limited and the last time I wrote X11 code is ages ago, so there = are probably lots of people in here who are better qualified than me to = figure out the best way to deal with this problem. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Tobias Bading'" Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.133840902115879 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 30 May 2012 20:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 20:17:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZpKG-000484-Sj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:17:01 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:49382) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZpKE-00047s-SQ for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:16:59 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4UKFMWt029458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 May 2012 20:15:22 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4UKFLbw023111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 May 2012 20:15:21 GMT Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4UKFLIR014112; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:15:21 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:15:20 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org><79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> <09E008A7AE464D6684168E06E124A762@us.oracle.com> <02129C61-D438-4F4C-A6F2-0A777840DAB6@web.de> <3DACE48F602F4D59BD15600DA09DD8CA@us.oracle.com> <582D26E2-752F-44BC-87C3-21083E12AA89@web.de> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:15:19 -0700 Message-ID: <82DF180E5B58472AA48FCAA2A3D6F556@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <582D26E2-752F-44BC-87C3-21083E12AA89@web.de> Thread-Index: Ac0+lVa+pTonsZJMQ/6l87AUderymQACvtjQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) > Sure, but from a user's point of view, shouldn't all > applications running under the same window system have the > same understanding of a "drag gesture"? Not necessarily, if "drag gesture" and "drag" mean different things for different applications. But yes, I imagine that there should be such a user setting at the window mgr level, possibly with overriding by an app's user settings. > I just took a peek into the Apple Cocoa docs, and Apple > defines a mouseDragged event. So on Mac OS, it seems that it > is not the application's job Not the application's job is one thing - I'd agree. That doesn't mean an application shouldn't or couldn't have its own, overriding notion of a drag event. If an app can have its own notion of a zimphlot event, then it can call it "my-drag"... > to determine whether a click starts a drag > or is just a click, the window system does that job for the > application. By default, yes. But it's just like the click itself, which Emacs defines to some extent. Not that the app _has_ to, but it _can_. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Tobias Bading Cc: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11588-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11588.13396015378339 (code B ref 11588); Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 11588) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2012 15:32:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41063 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SepYO-0002AR-7e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:32:17 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52231) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SepYL-0002AK-K9 for 11588@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:32:14 -0400 Received: from cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg ([202.156.80.162]:59919 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SepVb-0008Nl-Ho; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:29:24 -0400 From: Chong Yidong References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org> <79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <09F5AA4E-C9F7-4ED6-9FD4-FE60767BFA42@web.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:29:16 +0800 In-Reply-To: <09F5AA4E-C9F7-4ED6-9FD4-FE60767BFA42@web.de> (Tobias Bading's message of "Wed, 30 May 2012 18:44:56 +0200") Message-ID: <87sjdzmdrn.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Tobias Bading writes: >> The old mouse dragging code had a special behavior to pop the mark if >> you did not move the mouse much after the down event, to avoid setting >> the mark (this did not work reliably; if you move the mouse a little bit >> between the down and up events, the mark gets set anyway). > > HURRAY, I'm not losing my mind! Thank you, Chong! A slight mouse > movement between the mouse down and up events causing the mark to be > set in Emacs 23 finally explains why sometimes I was unable to kill or > copy a region with C-SPC at point, mouse click there and then C-w or > M-w. That is quite a bad bug in Emacs 23 then to be honest. I've committed a fix to trunk. Now clicking and releasing in the same position, if you do not drag the mouse to any other position, will not set the mark. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 13 11:32:31 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jun 2012 15:32:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41066 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SepYd-0002Ax-Bf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:32:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52246) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SepYb-0002Aq-LY for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:32:29 -0400 Received: from cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg ([202.156.80.162]:59920 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SepVr-0008O8-S1 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 11:29:41 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 11588 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:29:29 +0800 Message-ID: <87k3zbqlgm.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) close 11588 thanks From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:40:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11588: 24.0.97; Left mouse click setting the mark every time?!?? Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11588 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "dove.young" Cc: 11588@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13405540883110 (code B ref -1); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:09:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2012 16:08:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SipM7-0000o6-Jh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:08:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53489) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SipM5-0000nz-BX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:08:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SipIL-0005ax-Lu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:04:14 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,PLING_QUERY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:46229) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SipIL-0005ap-IO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:04:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46746) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SipIK-000454-2D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:04:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SipII-0005aT-AO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:04:11 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:56522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SipII-0005a3-2j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:04:10 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M6400H00PUGZR00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:03:19 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M6400HDEPXIQF80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:03:19 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:03:25 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <180c2542-6148-4744-85f0-45baf5ae394c@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83a9zsbstu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4FC62772.3050402@web.de> <871um1yctg.fsf@gnu.org> <79466EF2-DE7B-4D7F-AC82-05455D227025@web.de> <87sjeh7ho7.fsf@gnu.org> <63D55D7A07BF4B0CBD43879E28FA412E@us.oracle.com> <3A878154-65C5-439C-8492-680B5F64C654@web.de> <3DBDB4C0CB47400DABC8A616DA709826@us.oracle.com> <180c2542-6148-4744-85f0-45baf5ae394c@30g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) > From: "dove.young" > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 00:51:38 -0700 (PDT) > > So is there any possible way to just click mouse button 1 without > changing marks? I have many functions rely on the mark positions and I > still need them in my daily work. Thanks. Didn't you read the last message in the bug report, where a fix was announced and installed in the development sources? 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