From unknown Wed Sep 10 01:09:01 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#11514 <11514@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#11514 <11514@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.97; gnus-user-agent no longer sets up Gcc Reply-To: bug#11514 <11514@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 08:09:01 +0000 retitle 11514 24.0.97; gnus-user-agent no longer sets up Gcc reassign 11514 emacs,gnus submitter 11514 Romain Francoise severity 11514 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 18 17:24:33 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 May 2012 21:24:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33246 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SVUf2-00052z-Ub for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:24:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52797) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SVUei-00052V-FW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:24:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SVUeF-0003sr-88 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:44 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:43077) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SVUeF-0003sn-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47438) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SVUeD-0002dh-Gv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:42 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SVUeB-0003sd-SH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:40 -0400 Received: from stringer.orebokech.com ([88.190.240.207]:46599) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SVUeB-0003sZ-MN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:39 -0400 Received: from silenus.orebokech.com (silenus [192.168.1.4]) by stringer.orebokech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6AB1880360 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 23:23:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by silenus.orebokech.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9E977A0904; Fri, 18 May 2012 23:23:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Romain Francoise To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.97; gnus-user-agent no longer sets up Gcc Organization: orebokech dot com X-Face: }9mYu,e_@+e!`Z-P5kVXa3\_b:hdJ"B)ww[&=b<2=awG:GOIM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) If you put the following in /tmp/foo.el: (setq mail-user-agent 'gnus-user-agent gnus-message-archive-group "nnimap+foo:Sent") then start Emacs with `emacs -Q -l /tmp/foo.el' then do `C-x m', the resulting Message buffer doesn't have a Gcc header. In Emacs 23 and 24.0.92, the Gcc header was (correctly, I think) added to the buffer. Note: whether or not Gnus is started beforehand doesn't make a difference. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 21 07:47:04 2012 Received: (at 11514) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 May 2012 11:47:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36848 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SWR4l-0004Cj-HE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:47:03 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]:49027) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SWR4f-0004CS-9O for 11514@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:46:57 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 May 2012 11:46:09 -0000 Received: from p4FC75F4F.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO turtle.gmx.de) [79.199.95.79] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 21 May 2012 13:46:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #28250155 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+24EZylEu2PHZAUrQpuioETIqEP9ck/JKEnKRu6S LkF0U+6j6Bj9+e Received: by turtle.gmx.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A85AF3F483; Mon, 21 May 2012 13:46:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Sven Joachim To: Romain Francoise Subject: Re: bug#11514: 24.0.97; gnus-user-agent no longer sets up Gcc References: <87bollw5d3.fsf@silenus.orebokech.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 13:46:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87bollw5d3.fsf@silenus.orebokech.com> (Romain Francoise's message of "Fri, 18 May 2012 23:23:36 +0200") Message-ID: <87likloiyo.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.97 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11514 Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 11514@debbugs.gnu.org, Katsumi Yamaoka X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On 2012-05-18 23:23 +0200, Romain Francoise wrote: > If you put the following in /tmp/foo.el: > > (setq mail-user-agent 'gnus-user-agent > gnus-message-archive-group "nnimap+foo:Sent") > > then start Emacs with `emacs -Q -l /tmp/foo.el' then do `C-x m', the > resulting Message buffer doesn't have a Gcc header. In Emacs 23 and > 24.0.92, the Gcc header was (correctly, I think) added to the buffer. > > Note: whether or not Gnus is started beforehand doesn't make a difference. This seems to have been introduced by the following change in the emacs-24 branch: ,---- | revno: 107813 | author: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen | committer: Katsumi Yamaoka | branch nick: emacs-24 | timestamp: Wed 2012-04-11 22:31:16 +0000 | message: | gnus-art.el (article-wash-html): Fix non-ASCII characters when washing HTML (bug#7410). | gnus-msg.el (gnus-inews-insert-gcc): Protect against when we don't have a group name. | gnus-start.el (gnus-read-newsrc-el-file): Protect against broken .newsrc.el files. `---- The diff for gnus-msg.el is this: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- === modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.el' --- lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.el 2012-03-14 22:15:04 +0000 +++ lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.el 2012-04-11 22:31:16 +0000 @@ -1670,11 +1670,13 @@ this is a reply." (not (setq result (cond - ((stringp (caar var)) + ((and group + (stringp (caar var))) ;; Regexp. (when (string-match (caar var) group) (cdar var))) - ((functionp (car var)) + ((and group + (functionp (car var))) ;; Function. (funcall (car var) group)) (t --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- It corresponds to commit bf5aff3ff7c87 in the no-gnus branch in Gnus git. Cheers, Sven From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 21 19:30:33 2012 Received: (at 11514-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 May 2012 23:30:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37785 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SWc3Z-0004Zl-62 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:30:32 -0400 Received: from orlando.hostforweb.net ([216.246.45.90]:53636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SWc3B-0004Y3-08 for 11514-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:30:27 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54186) by orlando.hostforweb.net with smtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SWc2O-0002gx-Tr; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:29:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:29:09 +0900 Message-ID: From: Katsumi Yamaoka To: 11514-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#11514: 24.0.97; gnus-user-agent no longer sets up Gcc References: <87bollw5d3.fsf@silenus.orebokech.com> <87likloiyo.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> Organization: Emacsen advocacy group X-Face: #kKnN,xUnmKia.'[pp`; Omh}odZK)?7wQSl"4o04=EixTF+V[""w~iNbM9ZL+.b*_CxUmFk B#Fu[*?MZZH@IkN:!"\w%I_zt>[$nm7nQosZ<3eu; B:$Q_:p!',P.c0-_Cy[dz4oIpw0ESA^D*1Lw= L&i*6&( User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPz8bKEI=?= Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (i686-pc-cygwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:IXkzynG8s/s5DzA2SDZixtEDHz4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - orlando.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jpl.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11514-done Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , Romain Francoise , Sven Joachim X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2012-05-18 23:23 +0200, Romain Francoise wrote: >> If you put the following in /tmp/foo.el: >> >> (setq mail-user-agent 'gnus-user-agent >> gnus-message-archive-group "nnimap+foo:Sent") >> >> then start Emacs with `emacs -Q -l /tmp/foo.el' then do `C-x m', the >> resulting Message buffer doesn't have a Gcc header. In Emacs 23 and >> 24.0.92, the Gcc header was (correctly, I think) added to the buffer. >> >> Note: whether or not Gnus is started beforehand doesn't make a difference. This is the issue of only a case where Gnus is running, since Gcc is Gnus' feature and the `gnus-user-agent' agent behaves like the `message-user-agent' agent now if Gnus is not alive: 2012-02-09 Lars Ingebrigtsen * gnus-msg.el (gnus-msg-mail): Use `message-mail' if Gnus isn't running. (So, why one uses `C-x m' rather than `m'? Ok, he mey be in a non-Gnus window.) > This seems to have been introduced by the following change in the > emacs-24 branch: > ,---- >| revno: 107813 >| author: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen >| committer: Katsumi Yamaoka >| branch nick: emacs-24 >| timestamp: Wed 2012-04-11 22:31:16 +0000 >| message: >| gnus-art.el (article-wash-html): Fix non-ASCII characters when >| washing HTML (bug#7410). >| gnus-msg.el (gnus-inews-insert-gcc): Protect against when we don't >| have a group name. >| gnus-start.el (gnus-read-newsrc-el-file): Protect against broken >| .newsrc.el files. > `---- > The diff for gnus-msg.el is this: > === modified file 'lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.el' > --- lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.el 2012-03-14 22:15:04 +0000 > +++ lisp/gnus/gnus-msg.el 2012-04-11 22:31:16 +0000 > @@ -1670,11 +1670,13 @@ this is a reply." > (not > (setq result > (cond > - ((stringp (caar var)) > + ((and group > + (stringp (caar var))) > ;; Regexp. > (when (string-match (caar var) group) > (cdar var))) > - ((functionp (car var)) > + ((and group > + (functionp (car var))) > ;; Function. > (funcall (car var) group)) > (t > It corresponds to commit bf5aff3ff7c87 in the no-gnus branch in Gnus > git. Reverting this change does not help. I believe the right fix is to modify `gnus-msg-mail' so as to bind `gnus-newsgroup-name' to a string like `gnus-group-mail' does. Fixed in the emacs-24 branch. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 22 03:39:49 2012 Received: (at 11514) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2012 07:39:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37993 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SWjh7-0007E4-Lu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:39:49 -0400 Received: from stringer.orebokech.com ([88.190.240.207]:53678) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SWjh5-0007Dp-Ka for 11514@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 May 2012 03:39:48 -0400 Received: from silenus.orebokech.com (silenus [192.168.1.4]) by stringer.orebokech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8C518801AB; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by silenus.orebokech.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E775B9FEE5; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Romain Francoise To: Katsumi Yamaoka Subject: Re: bug#11514: 24.0.97; gnus-user-agent no longer sets up Gcc Organization: orebokech dot com References: <87bollw5d3.fsf@silenus.orebokech.com> <87likloiyo.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> X-Face: }9mYu,e_@+e!`Z-P5kVXa3\_b:hdJ"B)ww[&=b<2=awG:GOIM (Katsumi Yamaoka's message of "Tue, 22 May 2012 08:29:09 +0900") Message-ID: <874nr8is19.fsf@silenus.orebokech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11514 Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 11514@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Katsumi Yamaoka writes: > This is the issue of only a case where Gnus is running, since > Gcc is Gnus' feature and the `gnus-user-agent' agent behaves > like the `message-user-agent' agent now if Gnus is not alive: > [...] Which is rather suboptimal... if the user explicitly configured `gnus-user-agent' then we should start enough Gnus bits to make Gcc (and other Gnus features) work. If that's not possible then it should complain loudly about the downgrade, or refuse to work at all. Losing outgoing mail isn't nice. > Reverting this change does not help. I believe the right fix is > to modify `gnus-msg-mail' so as to bind `gnus-newsgroup-name' to > a string like `gnus-group-mail' does. Fixed in the emacs-24 branch. Works for me, thanks! 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[84.215.51.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i4sm2482968lbg.17.2012.06.07.16.00.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Romain Francoise Subject: Re: bug#11514: 24.0.97; gnus-user-agent no longer sets up Gcc References: <87bollw5d3.fsf@silenus.orebokech.com> <87likloiyo.fsf@turtle.gmx.de> <874nr8is19.fsf@silenus.orebokech.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEVuDCfp5+qpOWL9/v72 9vfVuMW4cIvAz0VXAAACd0lEQVQ4jVWTzW7rIBCFR+jGe2rwmnJV9hFO9lxI13Hi8TqhNe//CD3g NO0dyVE8H3PmD5NKTwtByoRHJzy0+eIP1VLGUTIFmdQv4MMkZ9+AwhkV+qAkuPdBagWgKcyIgVcF jslXIBV+kUNVEPe9Z18N+RGXKjjppKPvR44N4LwfR01KoozJR1QY/X7agE9yKzeOTeaQ7adscTEQ Eqf2H7YU221HfCC5ZWsBpRQzt5cxUC1v2MC7KyXfkeABmG9NeH+poGyHEkm9ZuHW+nJxrvBFbYTU 4LLp8ozwsy2c10chFF7sjTqbkXu4LNZen+Bib4LIRB/VYAvApkXpYk1niKbZH6y1VbMhSjkTIkQK 01IKr5uUghRANbWHH/bMcdpAF8YV7pyfQGdbwZ8Yh2Kt+wUWAyI4zkfkfrP9D6gKXe/HwZI9i/jM sRRXnIPC0ZAj4Z8NYgmu3F69Z+MwgydIuhRbyt8xyoI+u5S29VCSvCDk89Yt8NNOaua6BayWecG4 1/J6FpbemKe2HYpe87QseV26wZC4M6yBBKChVjLxzSAA5x7gpKfapYGMaldK9nGT0ivzuSa++x9D BDN6v9WBzf8DzMTaWqqQD6cMfXwA00b8LTUdWFWQ7QNM+EpwM2VdJWEPFqRta06HOnWViyioChfL irou8bEfr3IfJ/S0w2eg34wVxtU1DteejxO3GiuAlHWoa6fjlY/rms0u0oi5V9AhSzcNM7+s1pgu 1i/qYkkIQoQoZYU+ifzvA8APuIvZZsw2oyUi17G/E/YFgKpqxrLUK1Ywu7mCdwBkqWe/9cpKHuMt 1e1a84jaDA36E+Om4Fgb5MO/fgE7OuikDtuOcgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Ultra =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nat=E9's?= _Alchemy: GST Reloaded (1)_: "Love's the Only Drug (Morgan Page Mix)" Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:00:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <874nr8is19.fsf@silenus.orebokech.com> (Romain Francoise's message of "Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:58 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11514 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:16:41 -0400 Cc: Katsumi Yamaoka , 11514@debbugs.gnu.org, Sven Joachim X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Romain Francoise writes: > Which is rather suboptimal... if the user explicitly configured > `gnus-user-agent' then we should start enough Gnus bits to make Gcc > (and other Gnus features) work. If that's not possible then it should > complain loudly about the downgrade, or refuse to work at all. Losing > outgoing mail isn't nice. No, it's not, but we really kinda have to start all of Gnus to make Gcc handling work completely. So if you have `gnus-user-agent', and just start Emacs to send off a single email, then you'd be sitting there waiting for Gnus to start. I've added a warning message to Ma Gnus now, though. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Wed Sep 10 01:09:01 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator