From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:44:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11460: 24.1.50; doc string of `assert' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11460 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11460@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.133683520010781 (code B ref -1); Sat, 12 May 2012 15:07:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2012 15:06:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50426 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STDu4-0002nq-20 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59943) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STDu1-0002ne-9x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtj-0007lH-RR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:20 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:48991) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtj-0007lC-OB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STDti-0003Hx-5r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtg-0007kz-AG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:17 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:50955) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtg-0007km-3R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:16 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4CF6D0v005779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:06:13 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4CF6C7u013275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 15:06:12 GMT Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4CF6CPn027380 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:06:12 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.219.5) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:06:11 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 08:06:04 -0700 Message-ID: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0wUMAbFrsNf3F5SfilX45kK37sBA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) "Second arg SHOW-ARGS means to include arguments of FORM in message." How so? Which values of SHOW-ARGS mean that? And what on earth are the "arguments" of FORM? FORM is presumably a sexp, which is evaluated and returns nil or non-nil. A sexp does not have "arguments". It's not at all clear what you mean here. In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-05-06 on MARVIN Bzr revision: 108144 cyd@gnu.org-20120507053738-5ovifsb71cmamn2f Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:44:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11460: 24.1.50; doc string of `assert' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11460 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: <11460@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 11460-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11460.134783984023322 (code B ref 11460); 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Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:56:04 GMT Received: from abhmt102.oracle.com (abhmt102.oracle.com [141.146.116.54]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q8GNu3aM017581 for <11460@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:56:03 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.170.142) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:56:03 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:55:53 -0700 Message-ID: <2A4D803424264EFDB51B955B151BAC01@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: Ac0wUMAbFrsNf3F5SfilX45kK37sBBkFgmkA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -7.4 (-------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.4 (-------) ping From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:44:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11460: 24.1.50; doc string of `assert' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 04:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11460 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 11460@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11460-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11460.13919195184363 (code B ref 11460); Sun, 09 Feb 2014 04:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 11460) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 04:18:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLqn-00018I-Kl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 23:18:38 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:54766) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLqm-00018B-EL for 11460@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 23:18:36 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCLqS-0005Au-JX; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 05:18:16 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 20:17:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 12 May 2012 08:06:04 -0700") Message-ID: <87bnyggbst.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCLqS-0005Au-JX X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392524297.2843@dfqa8bFuyhF2DX42XGkpHA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > "Second arg SHOW-ARGS means to include arguments of FORM in message." > > How so? Which values of SHOW-ARGS mean that? > > And what on earth are the "arguments" of FORM? FORM is presumably a sexp, which > is evaluated and returns nil or non-nil. A sexp does not have "arguments". > > It's not at all clear what you mean here. Looking at the code, I'm still not sure what the meaning here is. (let ((sargs (and show-args (delq nil (mapcar (lambda (x) (unless (macroexp-const-p x) x)) (cdr form)))))) So... if the elements in the rest of FORM evaluate to the same value, they're included in the error output, but if not, not? Uhm... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:44:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11460: 24.1.50; doc string of `assert' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 19:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11460 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Drew Adams , 11460@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11460-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11460.13919745923000 (code B ref 11460); Sun, 09 Feb 2014 19:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 11460) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 19:36:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60820 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCaB5-0000mJ-7J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:36:31 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:1211) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCaB1-0000m7-2y for 11460@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:36:28 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFxIex/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFxIex/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="47149442" Received: from 69-196-135-177.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.135.177]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 09 Feb 2014 14:36:26 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4BA2F6039B; Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:36:26 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> <87bnyggbst.fsf@building.gnus.org> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:36:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87bnyggbst.fsf@building.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 08 Feb 2014 20:17:06 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > Looking at the code, I'm still not sure what the meaning here is. > (let ((sargs (and show-args > (delq nil (mapcar (lambda (x) > (unless (macroexp-const-p x) > x)) > (cdr form)))))) > So... if the elements in the rest of FORM evaluate to the same value, > they're included in the error output, but if not, not? Uhm... FWIW, this part of `cl-assert' is not only poorly documented, but it's poorly designed. And it doesn't have the excuse that it's inherited from Common Lisp. So I'd rather not document that mis-feature in any more detail. Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:44:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11460: 24.1.50; doc string of `assert' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11460 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 11460@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11460-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11460.139198408718489 (code B ref 11460); Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 11460) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 22:14:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60908 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCceE-0004o8-PC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:14:47 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:39295) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCceB-0004nz-Sn for 11460@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:14:44 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s19MEgDZ022678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:14:42 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s19MEe8C012470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:14:41 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s19MEeKq029407; Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:14:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7f9d070d-8147-494a-848b-a03dfa3badbd@default> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> <87bnyggbst.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > FWIW, this part of `cl-assert' is not only poorly documented, but > it's poorly designed. And it doesn't have the excuse that it's > inherited from Common Lisp. > > So I'd rather not document that mis-feature in any more detail. In that case, my request would be that the entire bug be recorded and kept open for future fixing (e.g., todo list or whatever): design + implementation + doc. IOW, let's not use the fact that the design, in addition to the doc, is faulty as an excuse to just drop this. If it needs fixing and you cannot or do not want to tackle that now, then it should be kept open for fixing later. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:44:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11460: 24.1.50; doc string of `assert' Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11460 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Drew Adams , 11460@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11460-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11460.13919994347419 (code B ref 11460); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 11460) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 02:30:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32987 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgdi-0001rl-8p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:30:31 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgdb-0001jx-LQ for 11460@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:30:24 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgdL-0004Lq-9P; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:30:07 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> <87bnyggbst.fsf@building.gnus.org> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:28:54 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:36:26 -0500") Message-ID: <87vbwnya3d.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCgdL-0004Lq-9P X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392604209.56031@aBiVhttYuHzUTj95cQdBKA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: > FWIW, this part of `cl-assert' is not only poorly documented, but it's > poorly designed. And it doesn't have the excuse that it's inherited > from Common Lisp. > So I'd rather not document that mis-feature in any more detail. Ok; closing. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 09 21:30:43 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 02:30:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32989 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgdu-00020p-20 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:30:43 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:59525) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgdh-0001qW-Ds for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:30:30 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgdS-0004Lz-Am for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:30:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 18:29:01 -0800 Message-Id: <87txc7ya36.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #11460 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WCgdS-0004Lz-Am X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392604216.0607@oXJSwoFrNIKaSQA1l3wcnA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) tags 11460 wontfix close 11460 From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:44:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11460: 24.1.50; doc string of `assert' Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11460 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Monnier Cc: 11460@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11460-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11460.139200017611087 (code B ref 11460); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 11460) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 02:42:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33041 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgpk-0002sl-2B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:42:56 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:47081) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCgpi-0002sa-Lg for 11460@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:42:55 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1A2gr08007172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:42:54 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A2gqeC003869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:42:52 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A2gqR6017753; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 02:42:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7ede7759-9cb9-42ab-9e2d-2917011eadb8@default> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 18:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <796323B5CCA7479C83BB0DD5B731553A@us.oracle.com> <87bnyggbst.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87vbwnya3d.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87vbwnya3d.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > > FWIW, this part of `cl-assert' is not only poorly documented, but > > it's poorly designed. And it doesn't have the excuse that it's > > inherited from Common Lisp. > > So I'd rather not document that mis-feature in any more detail. >=20 > Ok; closing. That is a cop-out. What has been uncovered is that instead of a minor, doc bug, there is a major bug. If you close this as being only the doc part, then you really should open a new bug for the whole problem: design, implementation, and doc. C'mon folks. It is not just about closing bugs. It is about recording problems that need fixing. And hopefully, one day, fixing them. It is quite distressing to see the reaction of "Ok; closing", if that is to be the only response. A bug should be recorded for this major problem, and left open until it is fixed.