From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:09:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11459: 24.1.50; Loss of mouse support (and more?) in new Buffer Menu Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11459@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13368320692965 (code B ref -1); Sat, 12 May 2012 14:15:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2012 14:14:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STD5Z-0000lm-4L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:14:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51193) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STD5D-0000lF-SN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:14:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STD4w-0005MF-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:13:51 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:56295) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STD4w-0005M7-1b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:13:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52389) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STD4u-0006lk-7M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:13:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STD4s-0005Lc-8k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:13:47 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:32670) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STD4s-0005Ks-21 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:13:46 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4CEDgcP015821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:13:43 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4CEDfiH003905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 14:13:42 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4CEDfFh010481 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:13:41 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.219.5) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 12 May 2012 07:13:41 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 07:13:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0wSWodllsKH+adSy6GimmcH0EsPg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) This is a regression and a real loss of functionality - a step backward for users. *Please* restore the ability to use a mouse, in particular to select/open buffers. Though it's hard to believe, it seems like this change was deliberate, as all mention of using a mouse has been carefully removed from the mode help/description. If other features were also lost (dunno yet) then please restore them as well. It should not be the case that just because you think you have a nifty new generic mode that might be usable in some places, we should throw existing functionality overboard in an attempt to shoehorn good existing code and features into the new but more limited mode. A hammer is not our only tool, and we should not see everything as a nail. If Tabulated List mode does not offer what is needed to provide all of the features that users are used to in the Buffer Menu, then either improve Tabulated List mode first or extend the buff-menu.el code itself to DTRT. One way or another, please restore all lost features due to this major rewrite of buff-menu.el. In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-05-06 on MARVIN Bzr revision: 108144 cyd@gnu.org-20120507053738-5ovifsb71cmamn2f Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:09:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11459: 24.1.50; Loss of mouse support (and more?) in new Buffer Menu Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 11459@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11459.133683516010698 (code B ref 11459); Sat, 12 May 2012 15:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 11459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2012 15:06:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50419 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtQ-0002mV-J6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:49167 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtP-0002mP-9B for 11459@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:05:59 -0400 Received: from cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg ([202.156.80.162]:55759 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtB-0003i1-Lk; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:05:46 -0400 From: Chong Yidong References: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 23:05:38 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 12 May 2012 07:13:33 -0700") Message-ID: <87mx5da18d.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.96 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Fixed, thanks. Next time, please just stick to facts in bug reports; the moralizing about "a hammer is not our only tool" etc. is not necessary. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 12 11:06:19 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2012 15:06:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50423 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STDti-0002nK-PB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:19 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:49175 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtg-0002nE-U7 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:17 -0400 Received: from cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg ([202.156.80.162]:55760 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1STDtU-0003jJ-Sj for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:06:05 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 11459 Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 23:06:00 +0800 Message-ID: <874nrligmf.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) close 11459 thanks From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:09:56 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11459: 24.1.50; Loss of mouse support (and more?) in new Buffer Menu Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11459 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Chong Yidong'" Cc: 11459@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11459-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11459.133683585614798 (code B ref 11459); Sat, 12 May 2012 15:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 11459) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2012 15:17:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50434 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STE4b-0003qa-E4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:17:35 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:24434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STE4X-0003qM-Ij for 11459@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 May 2012 11:17:31 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q4CFHB4s010671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 May 2012 15:17:12 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4CFHAOF016835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 May 2012 15:17:11 GMT Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4CFHAaK017850; Sat, 12 May 2012 10:17:10 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.219.5) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:17:10 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <87mx5da18d.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 08:17:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87mx5da18d.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac0wULei5KrLTfASRfewvgEQq6xpnAAACjLg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > Fixed, thanks. Thanks. > Next time, please just stick to facts in bug reports; > the moralizing about "a hammer is not our only tool" etc. is not > necessary. It was not at all "moralizing". The removal of the mouse actions seemed deliberate, since the mouse command was removed and the doc string was purged of any mention of it. Since the overall change to the library was to adapt it to Tabulated List mode, it seemed reasonable to suppose that this seemingly deliberate feature removal was a consequence of that. Apologies for supposing wrong, and delighted to have been mistaken. If all of the former features are still present, then it is a good thing to factor the code to use Tabulated List mode. The code is much smaller now, for one thing. My concern was the loss of features. If that doesn't happen, great.