From unknown Sat Jun 21 04:59:44 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#11364 <11364@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#11364 <11364@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.1.50; mouse selection followed by cursor movment to extend selection Reply-To: bug#11364 <11364@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 11:59:44 +0000 retitle 11364 24.1.50; mouse selection followed by cursor movment to extend= selection reassign 11364 emacs submitter 11364 "Drew Adams" severity 11364 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 27 11:09:14 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2012 15:09:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55566 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNmnK-0005oD-3u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:09:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50558) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNmnG-0005ny-Mx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:09:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNmm2-0007vZ-KJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:08:00 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:40978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNmm2-0007vV-Gm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:07:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNmlx-0003Lf-K1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:07:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNmlv-0007um-Dy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:07:49 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:32095) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNmlv-0007uR-7E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:07:47 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q3RF7gW4017083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:07:43 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3RF7gi2016247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:07:42 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q3RF7fIJ031705 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:07:41 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.177.52) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:07:41 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.1.50; mouse selection followed by cursor movment to extend selection Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:07:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Ac0kh3v8dxkUQ+InR7uGBzv6BvQxZQ== X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) In Emacs versions prior to Emacs 23 an important feature was the ability to extend or reduce the active region by moving the cursor. E.g C-SPC followed by C-f. And it did not matter how the region was activated (how the mark was set). You could, for example, double-click a word or a line or a sexp using mouse-1, then use C-f or M-f to extend the region etc. This is alas no longer the case, at least by default. The manual should explain, somewhere, how to obtain this desirable and longstanding behavior again. It is one of the features that made Emacs superior to other text editors. `(emacs) Setting Mark' says you can set the mark with the mouse. And it mentions that you can use Shift with cursor commands. But it does not explain how to extend/reduce the region _without_ resorting to Shift. Lot of good it does to set the mark with the mouse if its being set does not really mean that it is set (!) and that the selection stays active. Similarly, `(emacs) Shift Selection' says nothing about how to obtain this same region-extending behavior without shifting. It says that you can turn off shift selection by setting `shift-selection-mode' to nil, but that does not restore the behavior of unshifted selection extension. [BTW, `shift-select-mode' is a terrible name for this user option. There is no such "mode". It is a boolean option and its name should reflect that, saying what the on (preferably, or even the off) value actually *does*. But `-mode' should not at all be part of the name.] Where is this documented? How can a user get region extension without resorting to the shift key, as before? To try to restore the former, sane, behavior, I've set these (on Windows, where there is no `x-enable-primary'): `select-active-regions' to nil `x-enable-clipboard' to t `mouse-drag-copy-region' to t (I also use `delete-selection-mode'). But none of that fixes this breakage. How to get back to ordinary region extension by moving point, without having to shift? At least it still works out of the box to set the mark using C-SPC and then extend the region using cursor movement. I do not even see this behavior documented, however, though perhaps it is somewhere. But how to get mark-setting by the mouse to likewise act normally (i.e., as it used to), so that UNshifted cursor motion extends the region? How to get mouse selection to act like any other way of selecting the region? It is truly a _shame_ that Emacs has stooped to replicating the limited selection behavior of lesser text editors. Will we in future lose even more selection functionality and be reduced to dragging the mouse as the only way to select text? Shameful. In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-04-23 on MARVIN Bzr revision: 108006 agustin.martin@hispalinux.es-20120423103325-xmra3329elgzhmpc Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 07 05:18:24 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2012 09:18:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53814 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnR9k-0000cy-0J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 05:18:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:46403) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnR9j-0000cs-Bk for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 05:18:23 -0400 Received: from [155.69.186.151] (port=33265 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SnR4p-0003VE-Fq for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 05:13:20 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: severity 11364 wishlist Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 17:13:15 +0800 Message-ID: <87sjd4lys4.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) severity 11364 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 07 11:40:33 2012 Received: (at 11364) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2012 15:40:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54971 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnX7Z-0006lo-Ib for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 11:40:33 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:33623) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnX7X-0006lh-M2 for 11364@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 11:40:32 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q67FZQ8H025130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:35:26 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q67FZPTJ008175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Jul 2012 15:35:25 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q67FZP1a015799; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 10:35:25 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.222.164) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 08:35:25 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" , <11364@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <87sjd4lys4.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 11364 wishlist Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:35:16 -0700 Message-ID: <38C346B84BFA43C998DAA00564D4CF2B@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac1cINz+liGnT7goQx2TW+HFc4C8fAAL8VCg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11364 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) This is a regression - loss of a capability that Emacs has had since it supported a mouse. How can you classify a regression as "wishlist"? > > severity 11364 wishlist > Bug #11364 [emacs] 24.1.50; mouse selection followed by > cursor movment to extend selection > Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'normal' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 08 01:40:36 2012 Received: (at 11364) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2012 05:40:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55834 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkEV-0002FL-LG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:40:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:59477) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkET-0002FE-Af for 11364@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:40:34 -0400 Received: from cm162.gamma80.maxonline.com.sg ([202.156.80.162]:54584 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Snk9S-0007wQ-Hi; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:35:23 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#11364: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 11364 wishlist References: <87sjd4lys4.fsf@gnu.org> <38C346B84BFA43C998DAA00564D4CF2B@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 13:35:15 +0800 In-Reply-To: <38C346B84BFA43C998DAA00564D4CF2B@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 7 Jul 2012 08:35:16 -0700") Message-ID: <87liiuke7g.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11364 Cc: 11364@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) "Drew Adams" writes: > This is a regression - loss of a capability that Emacs has had since > it supported a mouse. How can you classify a regression as > "wishlist"? It is not a regression; you are asking for a feature that never existed. > In Emacs versions prior to Emacs 23 an important feature was the > ability to extend or reduce the active region by moving the cursor. > E.g C-SPC followed by C-f. > And it did not matter how the region was activated (how the mark was > set). You could, for example, double-click a word or a line or a sexp > using mouse-1, then use C-f or M-f to extend the region etc. I checked in Emacs 22: double clicking with the mouse to select a word, then using C-f, makes the region inactive. Emacs 24 behaves similarly. Maybe this is not what you meant. In that case, I suggest (not for the first time) giving a step-by-step recipe to reprouduce the exact behavior you think is problematic. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 08 02:02:27 2012 Received: (at 11364) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2012 06:02:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55856 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkZe-0003ee-Mz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:02:27 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:47434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SnkZc-0003eX-Aj for 11364@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:02:25 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q685vFcA006701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Jul 2012 05:57:16 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q685vE0U002676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Jul 2012 05:57:15 GMT Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q685vDbO004795; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:57:14 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.186.64) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 22:57:13 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" References: <87sjd4lys4.fsf@gnu.org><38C346B84BFA43C998DAA00564D4CF2B@us.oracle.com> <87liiuke7g.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#11364: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 11364 wishlist Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:57:03 -0700 Message-ID: <03B2AA2026DA436E892FA43E858B0F66@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87liiuke7g.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac1cy3tHQGteA3tcTzuWlgujoWtwPgAAJWDQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11364 Cc: 11364@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > > This is a regression - loss of a capability that Emacs has had since > > it supported a mouse. How can you classify a regression as > > "wishlist"? > > It is not a regression; I beg to differ; it certainly is. > you are asking for a feature that never existed. No, I am asking for the restoration of a feature that _always_ existed, before Emacs 23. However, it is unlikely that you will find any mention of this loss in the NEWS... As I said in the bug report, I use `delete-selection-mode'. I should no doubt have emphasized that better - mea culpa. In Emacs 22 (or prior): emacs -Q M-x delete-selection-mode ; turn it on Double click a word, sexp, line, or what have you. Or select the region some other way. The point is to get an active region. Use `left', `right', `up', or `down' cursor keys (or `C-f' etc. if you prefer). The region stays active and is extended (or restricted). This useful, standard Emacs feature was lost starting with Emacs 23. Now, moving the cursor deactivates the region. It should not, at least not in `delete-selection-mode'. > > In Emacs versions prior to Emacs 23 an important feature was the > > ability to extend or reduce the active region by moving the cursor. > > E.g C-SPC followed by C-f. > > > And it did not matter how the region was activated (how the mark was > > set). You could, for example, double-click a word or a > > line or a sexp using mouse-1, then use C-f or M-f to extend the region etc. > > I checked in Emacs 22: double clicking with the mouse to > select a word, then using C-f, makes the region inactive. > Emacs 24 behaves similarly. Turn on `delete-selection-mode' and you will see that Emacs 24 does not behave similarly to Emacs 22 (or 21 or...). I wish Emacs acted like it used to wrt this feature. Does that make fixing this fodder for the wishlist? It should not. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 11 17:06:36 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2012 21:06:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp47I-0001D3-7s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:06:36 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:40466) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp47F-0001Ct-Hc for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:06:34 -0400 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q6BL100d025783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:01:01 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6BL0x0p003406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:01:00 GMT Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q6BL0xH2016922 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:00:59 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:00:59 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: bug #11364: regression, not wishlist Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: <80E044967C3547A3BABA7AB64B5B005E@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac1fqET9d2d11DAiRzilBm0DEZFDGA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) severity 11364 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 11 17:11:16 2012 Received: (at 11364) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2012 21:11:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp4Bo-0001Jq-6D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:11:16 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:20313) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sp4Bm-0001Jj-DE for 11364@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:11:15 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q6BL5imR017323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:05:45 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6BL5iZZ014610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:05:44 GMT Received: from abhmt104.oracle.com (abhmt104.oracle.com [141.146.116.56]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q6BL5hAR020391; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 16:05:43 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:05:43 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" References: <87sjd4lys4.fsf@gnu.org><38C346B84BFA43C998DAA00564D4CF2B@us.oracle.com><87liiuke7g.fsf@gnu.org> <03B2AA2026DA436E892FA43E858B0F66@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#11364: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 11364 wishlist Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:05:42 -0700 Message-ID: <83F7E58F698E45CFBCAFF3F713A1DE06@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <03B2AA2026DA436E892FA43E858B0F66@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: Ac1cy3tHQGteA3tcTzuWlgujoWtwPgAAJWDQALcZVAA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11364 Cc: 11364@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > In Emacs 22 (or prior): > > emacs -Q > > M-x delete-selection-mode ; turn it on > > Double click a word, sexp, line, or what have you. Or select > the region some other way. The point is to get an active region. > > Use `left', `right', `up', or `down' cursor keys (or `C-f' > etc. if you prefer). The region stays active and is extended > (or restricted). > > This useful, standard Emacs feature was lost starting with > Emacs 23. Now, moving the cursor deactivates the region. > It should not, at least not in `delete-selection-mode'. Based on the definitions of "wishlist" and "normal" severity, I reclassified this easily reproducible regression as "normal". http://debbugs.gnu.org/Developer.html#severities From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 12 02:35:31 2012 Received: (at 11364) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2012 06:35:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34638 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpCzq-0006IX-2Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:35:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52964) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpCzn-0006IP-0C for 11364@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:35:28 -0400 Received: from [155.69.19.139] (port=37167 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpCuR-0001uc-NL; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:29:56 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#11364: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 11364 wishlist References: <87sjd4lys4.fsf@gnu.org> <38C346B84BFA43C998DAA00564D4CF2B@us.oracle.com> <87liiuke7g.fsf@gnu.org> <03B2AA2026DA436E892FA43E858B0F66@us.oracle.com> <83F7E58F698E45CFBCAFF3F713A1DE06@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:29:50 +0800 In-Reply-To: <83F7E58F698E45CFBCAFF3F713A1DE06@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 11 Jul 2012 14:05:42 -0700") Message-ID: <87a9z5a3vl.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11364 Cc: 11364@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) "Drew Adams" writes: >> M-x delete-selection-mode ; turn it on >> >> Double click a word, sexp, line, or what have you. Or select >> the region some other way. The point is to get an active region. >> >> Use `left', `right', `up', or `down' cursor keys (or `C-f' >> etc. if you prefer). The region stays active and is extended >> (or restricted). >> >> This useful, standard Emacs feature was lost starting with >> Emacs 23. Now, moving the cursor deactivates the region. >> It should not, at least not in `delete-selection-mode'. > > Based on the definitions of "wishlist" and "normal" severity, I reclassified > this easily reproducible regression as "normal". > http://debbugs.gnu.org/Developer.html#severities The behavior of Emacs 22 is an unintended and (AFAICT) undocumented consequence of the delete-selection-mode implementation---basically a bug, since it had nothing to do with deleting selections. We might eventually re-implement this as an optional behavior, but that would be a new feature (it will certainly not be the default behavior, since it is very non-standard for graphical applications). So I do not regard this as a regression, or even a bug. I'm setting the severity to wishlist, because there are better things to work on. Do not play with the severity---that will not increase the likelihood of this feature being implemented. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 12 02:35:53 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2012 06:35:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34643 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpD0A-0006J8-FK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:35:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:52968) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpD07-0006J1-Ob for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:35:48 -0400 Received: from [155.69.19.139] (port=37168 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SpCum-000213-O3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:30:17 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: severity 11364 wishlist Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:30:12 +0800 Message-ID: <87obnllcej.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) severity 11364 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 12 09:58:35 2012 Received: (at 11364) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2012 13:58:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35995 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpJuc-0003nI-2N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:58:35 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:44307) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpJuY-0003nA-VY for 11364@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:58:32 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q6CDquHc025323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:52:57 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6CDquPr007832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:52:56 GMT Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q6CDqupu010061; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:52:56 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.186.197) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:52:55 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" References: <87sjd4lys4.fsf@gnu.org><38C346B84BFA43C998DAA00564D4CF2B@us.oracle.com><87liiuke7g.fsf@gnu.org><03B2AA2026DA436E892FA43E858B0F66@us.oracle.com><83F7E58F698E45CFBCAFF3F713A1DE06@us.oracle.com> <87a9z5a3vl.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#11364: [debbugs-tracker] Processed: severity 11364 wishlist Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:52:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87a9z5a3vl.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac1f98IAXc4UZgssS16KPLpPBnriggANyGvw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11364 Cc: 11364@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) >> M-x delete-selection-mode ; turn it on >> >> Double click a word, sexp, line, or what have you. Or select >> the region some other way. The point is to get an active region. >> >> Use `left', `right', `up', or `down' cursor keys (or `C-f' >> etc. if you prefer). The region stays active and is extended >> (or restricted). >> >> This useful, standard Emacs feature was lost starting with >> Emacs 23. Now, moving the cursor deactivates the region. >> It should not, at least not in `delete-selection-mode'. > > The behavior of Emacs 22 is an unintended and (AFAICT) undocumented > consequence of the delete-selection-mode implementation---basically a > bug, since it had nothing to do with deleting selections. We might > eventually re-implement this as an optional behavior, but > that would be a new feature (it will certainly not be the default > behavior, since it is very non-standard for graphical applications). > > So I do not regard this as a regression, or even a bug. I'm > setting the severity to wishlist, because there are better things > to work on. Do not play with the severity---that will not increase > the likelihood of this feature being implemented. You are trying to rewrite history. Simply stating something does not make it true. You claimed that this was NEVER the behavior in Emacs. Now you admit OK, it existed in Emacs 22, but that was just a fluke, not intended. On what basis do you claim that? None given, except that there was no specific mention of this in the doc. The doc for `delete-selection' mode is minimal. Have you found anything in the doc that says that this behavior was NOT intended? People have been using `delete-selection-mode' for decades. Do you have ANY evidence that anyone thought that the way it behaved in this regard was a BUG? Quite the contrary - users have been taking advantage of this useful feature. And a bug was filed when you broke it. In fact, this has been the behavior not just in Emacs 22 but in ALL prior Emacs versions as well (since `delete-selection-mode' was added). And there is zero evidence that this behavior was in any way a mistake, bug, or unintended. You give no argument to support your claims. You play on words, saying that because the traditional behavior "had nothing to do with deleting selections" it was a bug. Shame. Delete-selection mode is not and has never been only about "deleting selections". Do you even use `delete-selection-mode'? I'd guess not, since you had no idea that you broke this feature. Did you take a poll of users of `delete-selection-mode' before breaking it? Or before retroactively deciding now that its behavior was a bug that was happily "fixed" by your change that unknowingly broke it? Delete-selection mode is not, and was never intended to be, limited to what might be "standard for graphical applications", any more than the Emacs mouse was intended to be limited to what is "standard for graphical applications". Emacs has always felt free to offer more (or less) than what might currently be "standard" elsewhere. The aim has never been to limit Emacs to what is "standard for graphical applications". Richard has been very clear about this from the beginning. We use standards when, and to the degree that, they are appropriate for Emacs; they do not use us. Not to mention that similar behavior is and has always been _standard for Emacs_ in its keyboard handling of the region. You can still set mark and extend/restrict the active region by hitting cursor keys, thank goodness. At least you broke this Emacs standard behavior only for the case where the region was made active by the mouse, in delete-selection mode. Wrt your reclassification: The definition given by GNU for "wishlist" severity is this: "for any feature request, and also for any bugs that are very difficult to fix due to major design considerations" This is not a feature request, no matter what word games you play. It is a request to restore the traditional behavior, which you inadvertently broke. Inadvertently? Yes, since by your own admission you had no idea that you broke it. You even claimed that the traditional behavior never existed. And you have made no argument that this is "very difficult to fix due to major design considerations". You are rewriting history, and apparently trying to redefine "wishlist" as well. Shame. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 09 04:21:07 2022 Received: (at 11364) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2022 09:21:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49809 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHj9u-0007zM-VP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 04:21:07 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nHj9t-0007yg-9I for 11364@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 04:21:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2SYavcT4DMty/TN9KbEEeOr2xj4Pala0yQqZWotPfpQ=; b=WqTTqOAw5vkrqPkOxCQIAtgjok 20sOWRXNxqPWCa0l//HuAhn7LGxFZ0Nbx65uoR3+kp8s9zXE9HnrJid69EUceP/jG5GSs1DazLXud aZmVnlUuuzHZ351rktNs2cx9A0oHacV5Cu7VtQXiNsWaSwx+XfNZWC47TRmXRzmcT0HQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nHj9h-0000Ei-OE; Wed, 09 Feb 2022 10:20:57 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#11364: 24.1.50; mouse selection followed by cursor movment to extend selection References: X-Now-Playing: Patton's _Twenty Years of Prohibited Records: Curiosities_: "Harmonicum" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 10:20:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:07:38 -0700") Message-ID: <871r0co0p7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Drew Adams" writes: > In Emacs versions prior to Emacs 23 an important feature was the > ability to extend or reduce the active region by moving the cursor. > E.g C-SPC followed by C-f. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11364 Cc: 11364@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "Drew Adams" writes: > In Emacs versions prior to Emacs 23 an important feature was the > ability to extend or reduce the active region by moving the cursor. > E.g C-SPC followed by C-f. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) These commands now work by hitting holding down the Shift key while moving point -- then the region is extended or reduced. 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The keys don't work as they did before the regression. That's the bug. > now work by hitting holding down the Shift key while > moving point -- then the region is extended or reduced. The regression has NOTHING to do with `shift-selection-mode'. That's a completely separate feature. This is not about having to use a modifier; it's about being able to extend/reduce/adjust the active region using every point-movement operation, the same as before the regression. Please _at least_ provide a user option to restore this behavior for `delete-selection-mode'. > So I don't think there's anything to do here,=20 > and I'm closing this bug report. Sad. From unknown Sat Jun 21 04:59:44 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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