From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:32 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11354@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.133545741717606 (code B ref -1); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:24:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 16:23:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54537 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNRTk-0004Zu-QA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:23:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48215) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNRTi-0004Zh-Cu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:23:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNRSZ-0007qS-Lg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:22:29 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:44225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNRSZ-0007qL-Ir for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:22:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57484) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNRSU-0003zd-2B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:22:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNRSS-0007pE-3v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:22:17 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:42732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNRSR-0007os-TM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:22:16 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q3QGMC70015821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:22:13 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3QGMB0Y009246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:22:12 GMT Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q3QGMBMT025216 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:22:11 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:22:11 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:22:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0jyLsUhORm5k3zSiaGbjiTL2WVgQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Emacs Dev makes a big deal about line length whenever anyone submits code or a patch for inclusion. Yet you keep using extremely long lines yourselves. files.el now has a max width of 214 chars! Supposedly the limit is 80 chars or so. At least reduce the line lengths to something reasonable. This is not even a code problem (e.g. long function def with many nesting levels). It is simply a result of forgetting to use `\' to chop long strings. Please DTRT. Here's the longest line, but there are plenty of others that are also far too long: ("\\`/etc/\\(?:DIR_COLORS\\|ethers\\|.?fstab\\|.*hosts\\|lesskey\\|login\\.?de\\ (?:fs\\|vperm\\)\\|magic\\|mtab\\|pam\\.d/.*\\|permissions\\(?:\\.d/.+\\)?\\|pro tocols\\|rpc\\|services\\)\\'" . conf-space-mode) Just chop it: ("\\`/etc/\\(?:DIR_COLORS\\|ethers\\|.?fstab\\|.*hosts\\|lesskey\\|login\\.?de\ \\(?:fs\\|vperm\\)\\|magic\\|mtab\\|pam\\.d/.*\\|permissions\\(?:\\.d/.+\\)?\ \\|protocols\\|rpc\\|services\\)\\'" . conf-space-mode) In GNU Emacs 24.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-04-23 on MARVIN Bzr revision: 108006 agustin.martin@hispalinux.es-20120423103325-xmra3329elgzhmpc Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:32 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 11354@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11354-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11354.133546022521766 (code B ref 11354); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 11354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 17:10:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54585 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSD3-0005f1-9t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:10:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51975 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSD0-0005et-T0 for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:10:23 -0400 Received: from bb116-14-12-6.singnet.com.sg ([116.14.12.6]:50535 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSC1-0000pl-5O; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:09:21 -0400 From: Chong Yidong References: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:09:14 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:22:10 -0700") Message-ID: <8762cmju85.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) "Drew Adams" writes: > Emacs Dev makes a big deal about line length whenever anyone submits > code or a patch for inclusion. Yet you keep using extremely long > lines yourselves. > > files.el now has a max width of 214 chars! Supposedly the limit is 80 > chars or so. At least reduce the line lengths to something > reasonable. Please don't submit frivolous bugs. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 26 13:10:37 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 17:10:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54588 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSDE-0005fO-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:10:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51981 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSDD-0005fI-5G for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:10:35 -0400 Received: from bb116-14-12-6.singnet.com.sg ([116.14.12.6]:50536 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSCE-0000qF-Jd for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:09:35 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 11354 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:09:28 +0800 Message-ID: <87mx5yo1x3.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) close 11354 thanks From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:32 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Chong Yidong'" Cc: 11354@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11354-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11354.133546162126839 (code B ref 11354); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 11354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 17:33:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSZZ-0006yq-1r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:33:41 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:38144) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSZW-0006ye-Pm for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:33:39 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q3QHWWOn028387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:32:33 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3QHWWqW002674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:32:32 GMT Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q3QHWVVX022122; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:32:31 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:32:31 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <8762cmju85.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:32:30 -0700 Message-ID: <5BA8C7FD552242618A9756630F5D1801@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8762cmju85.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac0jz1S1VBHAWA48SVORYDqPu9x0KwAAe9Dg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > Please don't submit frivolous bugs. Thanks. Frivolous bugs? 1. I was told clearly by RMS on more than one occasion that I had to shorten lines in source code I submitted which were only 90 or 100 chars wide. That was clearly the GNU Emacs policy - at the time, at least. 2. Lines over 200 chars wide defeat the usefulness of automatically fitting the frame (or window) to the width of the buffer content. It requires users who use such autofitting to then follow up by resizing the frame/window by hand. Please do not _create_ frivolous bugs. It is dead simple to chop strings by inserting `\' characters. Requires no effort, makes the code more readable, and complies with the GNU policy (such as it was, at least). From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:32 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: cyd@gnu.org, 11354@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 11354-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11354.133546244528006 (code B ref 11354); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 11354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 17:47:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54600 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSmr-0007Hf-7Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:47:25 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:62518) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNSmo-0007HS-KM for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:47:23 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M3300F00L5KAH00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:46:01 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.249.186]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M3300FWXLCO4Y60@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:46:01 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:46:03 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <5BA8C7FD552242618A9756630F5D1801@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83aa1yidyc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8762cmju85.fsf@gnu.org> <5BA8C7FD552242618A9756630F5D1801@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:32:30 -0700 > Cc: 11354@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Please don't submit frivolous bugs. Thanks. > > Frivolous bugs? Yes, frivolous "bugs". Coding style is not a bug. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:32 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: cyd@gnu.org, 11354@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11354-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11354.133546398230146 (code B ref 11354); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:14:01 +0000 Received: (at 11354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 18:13:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54606 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBd-0007ps-Bq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:02 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:37507) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTBb-0007ph-Ke for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:13:00 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q3QIBpWx004978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:11:53 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3QIBoD0012669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:11:50 GMT Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q3QIBnEb008064; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:11:49 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:49 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <8762cmju85.fsf@gnu.org> <5BA8C7FD552242618A9756630F5D1801@us.oracle.com> <83aa1yidyc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:11:48 -0700 Message-ID: <6E85BC44392D46329A8B001686F5265D@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83aa1yidyc.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac0j1HvCifnKrGIkTAig/PkTva8YIQAAVcuA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > Yes, frivolous "bugs". Coding style is not a bug. 1. Debatable. Emacs is about source code, not just executable behavior. Emacs users deserve clean, readable code. The source code is part of Emacs and the experience of using Emacs. A big part. Not to recognize and respect that is to do a disservice to users. 2. `report-emacs-bug' is not only for bugs, in any case. It is for improvements generally, including bugs and enhancement requests. A suggestion to improve usability is as valid as a report about a critical security bug, even if the fix is not as important. There is no reason for such stubborn resistance to such a reasonable suggestion, which is after all in line with the GNU policy. It is trivial to fix this - takes far less time and effort than your resistance/obstruction. Is your desire to improve Emacs or to fight some silly battle? By declaring this "won't fix" you are effectively deciding that it is _better_ to have such long lines in the code than it is to respect the longstanding policy of limiting line length. How so? a. Because the fix is so trivial. b. Because leaving such extremely long lines here and there does not discourage their use elsewhere: it sets a bad example. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:32 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 11354@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11354-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11354.133546507931769 (code B ref 11354); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 11354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 18:31:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54628 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTTK-0008GK-6s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:31:18 -0400 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:50408) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTTI-0008GD-77 for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:31:17 -0400 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3QIUFhB029073; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:30:16 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6C05CB4179; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:30:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:22:10 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4204=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4204> : streams <750395> : uri <1103969> X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) > Here's the longest line, but there are plenty of others that are also > far too long: Checkout the Bzr, ask for write-access, and fix it yourself. > Just chop it: > ("\\`/etc/\\(?:DIR_COLORS\\|ethers\\|.?fstab\\|.*hosts\\|lesskey\\|login\\.?de\ > \\(?:fs\\|vperm\\)\\|magic\\|mtab\\|pam\\.d/.*\\|permissions\\(?:\\.d/.+\\)?\ > \\|protocols\\|rpc\\|services\\)\\'" . conf-space-mode) I really dislike long lines, but FWIW the above "chopped up" string, is no better than the auto-wrapped one, really (i.e. while it does stick to the letter of the 80-column rule, it doesn't help with the underlying problem). In order to do better, you need to use `concat', cut it into logical units, properly indented, ... Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:32 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: 11354@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11354-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11354.13354662541092 (code B ref 11354); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 11354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 18:50:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54652 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTmH-0000HY-Sj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:50:54 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:49403) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNTmF-0000HK-SR for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:50:52 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q3QInjGc016444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:49:46 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3QIni7m002285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:49:45 GMT Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q3QInidi002308; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:49:44 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:49:44 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:49:43 -0700 Message-ID: <72FB36942C374D8EA274DB5DADA41BDD@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0j2qKDrf858Vk1QCOILU+WnRBY5AAAZELw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > In order to do better, you need to use `concat', cut it into logical > units, properly indented, ... +1 - That's fine too. The ideal need not be the enemy of the good, however. Shortening either way means autofitting will not be neutralized perversely, which is a good thing. I can understand if someone agrees that shortening such extreme lines is desirable, but is not a high priority. But classifying this suggestion as `won't fix' instead of `wishlist' says in effect that Emacs Dev does NOT think that shortening such lines is desirable, that it prefers them as they are. If this had been classified as `wishlist' instead of `won't fix' I would not have replied at all. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:32 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11354: 24.1.50; long lines (214 chars!) in files.el Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11354 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 11354@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11354-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11354.133547403712124 (code B ref 11354); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 11354) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2012 21:00:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54757 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNVno-00039S-QY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:00:37 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:41667) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SNVnm-00039L-LR for 11354@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:00:35 -0400 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q3QKxXwJ030034; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:59:33 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5A715B4179; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:59:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <72FB36942C374D8EA274DB5DADA41BDD@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:59:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <72FB36942C374D8EA274DB5DADA41BDD@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:49:43 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4204=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4204> : streams <750420> : uri <1104012> X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) > If this had been classified as `wishlist' instead of `won't fix' I would not > have replied at all. It's classified as "you know how to fix it, so please just do it". Stefan