From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 18 13:07:48 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2012 17:07:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55815 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S9Ja7-0002FS-9W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:07:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44305) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S9JZw-0002Ex-BX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:07:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9J6T-0000i3-Ah for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:37:10 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:43846) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9J6T-0000hy-7e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:37:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60859) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9J6R-000253-MI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:37:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9J6P-0000he-Uh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:37:07 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:18526) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S9J6P-0000gM-Og for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:37:05 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q2IGb2sm031587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:37:03 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q2IGb14n005850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:37:02 GMT Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q2IGb1qR001266 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:37:01 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.45.19) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:37:01 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.94; doc string of `indirect-variable' Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:36:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac0FJVLF2fM/75anRV2dZ6f5bUcAGA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4F660F2F.0034,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) The doc string, unlike (elisp) `Variable Aliases', is not at all clear. It says nothing about what is meant here by "indirection". This is Lisp. There are several kinds of "indirection" for Lisp variables, including via values and via properties. The manual makes clear what is meant by talking about "aliases", which is the kind of indirection this function is about. Please do similarly for the doc string. To be even clearer, the doc (in both places, but especially the doc string, since the manual node already sets the context) should explicitly mention `defvaralias' when referring to variable aliasing. In GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-02-26 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 14 13:15:44 2012 Received: (at 11040) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Aug 2012 17:15:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56671 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T1KiW-0004QZ-Dd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:15:44 -0400 Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]:35374) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T1KiT-0004QS-Vi for 11040@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:15:42 -0400 Received: by obbwc20 with SMTP id wc20so765654obb.3 for <11040@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:07:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=ZEwRxQmx/MPAg4PvK3oWM9N+dalXW8yEjWj1oFjv3T8=; b=gK2DE5II7Ef7GIQK94vE87eu+A5wBhLnej+bQP8QHURktcdUVpf21XDXpLBXHIU9z1 vH9amOS/FeKVMlhxN5nKWlBT2nYShXoDV0zl9/b3K2in4dv+v7C+Sg10TZeAh7WsBAzd rKqeosUucAg7L3PajB1p2saCQf5Gv26mZ35WwTYmNzacWNGuDPUU4U5LhvPVmEnCtPQF 0tMDwhEajMI+sybcZD0pyaomjfXW52s7AaE3+C9/M8oi/y4MD8IkCxyy1cDsPZBgvZg0 F4bDUr8SCSPj0n1DrUgdkO3gW4AA01gsTBPT40S9PsRa77XmYJ+YzXcrG9Qp098cQDrt rkNA== Received: by 10.182.131.73 with SMTP id ok9mr20245865obb.19.1344964022778; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulysses ([155.69.183.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kc5sm3186665obb.21.2012.08.14.10.07.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#11040: 24.0.94; doc string of `indirect-variable' References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 01:06:58 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:36:52 -0700") Message-ID: <87y5lhjtcd.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11040 Cc: 11040@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > The doc string, unlike (elisp) `Variable Aliases', is not at all clear. > It says nothing about what is meant here by "indirection". This is > Lisp. There are several kinds of "indirection" for Lisp variables, > including via values and via properties. Fixed in trunk. 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