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gnus-use-full-window incompletely implemented

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From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys)
Subject: gnus-use-full-window incompletely implemented
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:11:14 -0400

I just discovered gnus-use-full-window=nil and I am totally thrilled
with a full-screen Emacs frame which gnus does not hijack.
However, a couple of nits have to be picked:

1. gnus-bug did delete all the other windows and hijack the frame.
my mail-user-agent is gnus-user-agent.

2. I can have two *Summary* buffers side but only one *Article* buffer,
and as soon as I hit enter in one *Summary* buffer, the window with the
other *Summary* buffer disappears. I wish I could read two newsgroups
side by side!

Thanks!


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Message #8 received at 11013 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 11013 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11013: gnus-use-full-window incompletely implemented
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:17:54 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> I just discovered gnus-use-full-window=nil and I am totally thrilled
> with a full-screen Emacs frame which gnus does not hijack.
> However, a couple of nits have to be picked:
>
> 1. gnus-bug did delete all the other windows and hijack the frame.
> my mail-user-agent is gnus-user-agent.

I think I've fixed this now in No Gnus.

> 2. I can have two *Summary* buffers side but only one *Article* buffer,
> and as soon as I hit enter in one *Summary* buffer, the window with the
> other *Summary* buffer disappears. I wish I could read two newsgroups
> side by side!

Do you have `gnus-single-article-buffer' set?

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Message #11 received at 11013 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 11013 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11013: gnus-use-full-window incompletely implemented
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:10:00 -0400

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-14 16:17:54 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I just discovered gnus-use-full-window=nil and I am totally thrilled
>> with a full-screen Emacs frame which gnus does not hijack.
>> However, a couple of nits have to be picked:
>>
>> 1. gnus-bug did delete all the other windows and hijack the frame.
>> my mail-user-agent is gnus-user-agent.
>
> I think I've fixed this now in No Gnus.

good!
gnus-version
==> "Gnus v5.13"
which one is that?

emacs-version
"24.0.94.4"

>> 2. I can have two *Summary* buffers side but only one *Article* buffer,
>> and as soon as I hit enter in one *Summary* buffer, the window with the
>> other *Summary* buffer disappears. I wish I could read two newsgroups
>> side by side!
>
> Do you have `gnus-single-article-buffer' set?

gnus-single-article-buffer
nil

I was wrong, sorry. The buffer is there, but it is not displayed.

Here is what happens.
I have a maximized emacs frame.
I split it side-by-side (C-x 3).
I make the left window show *Summary group1*
and the right window show *Summary group2*.
I hit RET in the left window.

EXPECTED behavior: left window is split below (like C-x 2) and the
*Article group1* is shown below the *Summary group1*. The right window
still shows *Summary group2*.

ACTUAL behavior: *Summary group2* disappears and the whole frame is
hijacked by *Summary group1* and *Article group1*.

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Message #14 received at 11013 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 11013 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11013: gnus-use-full-window incompletely implemented
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:42:32 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> I think I've fixed this now in No Gnus.
>
> good!
> gnus-version
> ==> "Gnus v5.13"
> which one is that?
>
> emacs-version
> "24.0.94.4"

For all intensive purposes, No Gnus is 5.13.

> I was wrong, sorry. The buffer is there, but it is not displayed.
>
> Here is what happens.
> I have a maximized emacs frame.
> I split it side-by-side (C-x 3).
> I make the left window show *Summary group1*
> and the right window show *Summary group2*.
> I hit RET in the left window.
>
> EXPECTED behavior: left window is split below (like C-x 2) and the
> *Article group1* is shown below the *Summary group1*. The right window
> still shows *Summary group2*.
>
> ACTUAL behavior: *Summary group2* disappears and the whole frame is
> hijacked by *Summary group1* and *Article group1*.

I see.  Looking at the code, that does seem to be almost the intended
outcome.

The `gnus-use-full-window' logic is "leave non-Gnus buffers be, but use
the Gnus buffers as normal".  That is, it computes the area of the Gnus
windows, and then arranges the buffers inside that area, instead of the
default, which is to use the entire frame.

So Gnus just doesn't support having two summary/article buffer pairs
side by side in a frame.

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Message #17 received at 11013 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 11013 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11013: gnus-use-full-window incompletely implemented
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 00:48:43 -0400

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-22 22:42:32 +0100]:
>
> So Gnus just doesn't support having two summary/article buffer pairs
> side by side in a frame.

that's too bad. please consider this an RFE.
e.g., when I read related groups, I want to see related discussions next
to each other.

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Message #22 received at 11013-close <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 11013-close <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11013: gnus-use-full-window incompletely implemented
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:52:53 +0200

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> that's too bad. please consider this an RFE.
> e.g., when I read related groups, I want to see related discussions next
> to each other.

The way the Gnus window control mechanisms work, I think the complexity
involved doesn't warrant the added functionality.  Especially since you
can get the desired look by just using two frames side-by-side instead.

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Message #23 received at 11013-close <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 11013-close <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#11013: gnus-use-full-window incompletely implemented
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:37:47 -0400

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-04-10 19:52:53 +0200]:
>
> can get the desired look by just using two frames side-by-side instead.

this is very different: a maximized frame has properties which cannot be
gained from two frames side-by-side.

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