From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:23:23 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#11011 <11011@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#11011 <11011@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: kbd and TAB with modifiers (eg S-TAB) Reply-To: bug#11011 <11011@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:23:23 +0000 retitle 11011 kbd and TAB with modifiers (eg S-TAB) reassign 11011 emacs submitter 11011 Antoine Levitt severity 11011 normal tag 11011 notabug confirmed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 14 03:43:17 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 07:43:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49889 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7irc-0006rJ-BU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:43:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47645) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7irZ-0006rB-0S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:43:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iOR-0003QG-PE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:13:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:37490) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iOR-0003QC-Ly for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:13:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48113) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iO7-0003vE-K9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:13:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iO5-0003MN-P7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:12:47 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47795) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iO5-0003MA-IN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:12:45 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iO1-0007x6-Cf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:41 +0100 Received: from ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net ([78.233.218.202]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:41 +0100 Received: from antoine.levitt by ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:41 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Antoine Levitt Subject: Binding S-TAB Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:23 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) >From a posting on emacs-devel: Antoine Levitt : > Alright, I thought (kbd "S-TAB") would do the right thing, but > apparently not. I'm thoroughly confused by emacs keybinding system. Chong Yidong : > I think this is a bug in kbd. It doesn't seem to handle TAB with > modifiers right. Please file a bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 14 05:23:42 2012 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 09:23:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kQY-0000nJ-Ur for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:23:42 -0400 Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]:59019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kQE-0000mU-CW for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:23:07 -0400 Received: from [87.198.47.59] (87-198-47-59.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.47.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51685683F4; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:53:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F605C6E.4080308@harpegolden.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:53:02 +0000 From: David De La Harpe Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120216 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antoine Levitt Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On 14/03/12 07:12, Antoine Levitt wrote: > From a posting on emacs-devel: > > Antoine Levitt: > >> Alright, I thought (kbd "S-TAB") would do the right thing, but >> apparently not. I'm thoroughly confused by emacs keybinding system. > > Chong Yidong: > >> I think this is a bug in kbd. It doesn't seem to handle TAB with >> modifiers right. Please file a bug. > > > > works for me (tm). what platform are we talking about? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 14 05:29:03 2012 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 09:29:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49985 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kVj-0000uR-TG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:29:02 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]:40354) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kVT-0000u6-7F for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:28:46 -0400 Received: by werb10 with SMTP id b10so1686189wer.3 for <11011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:58:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=dkKx/X0y/3a2FaA5wNg4pgdhbUFaaK6zZT5cTaQ9PVM=; b=aHAHQQsqeIREZNIF16pngv+nejkbVKjlmcJXbJfWZDF7hbEhPt4OpHznTKpxIol6i+ dDm+dacb0YTNw/dU4LH+sIpiCHDrWy+8Q4eWg35JwI3oriwFz4KfMeFpvBbUjubVPFTO nzwnzg0mK/IRQKsmkrjJrbsQeF5rFgVtxQA4k5BUSzf3fxmEFbw/AHOOQXtF69CGPqYR /aCcCwAQuCGfU2PuuLcvXnvxGM7T9ht8xHqrj8+bTosIvzeGdtV7rBUET1bKyDIS06P8 mSGxtkzUj4E0kKJ5vIoTMdDvyE+Tm/kGwK3cDlphJDK9jOBU0U1ZhLSwPnIaonqnb4nu SuuA== Received: by 10.216.137.149 with SMTP id y21mr1044437wei.110.1331715509243; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lambda (portable68.ceremade.dauphine.fr. [193.48.71.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fz9sm15755298wib.3.2012.03.14.01.58.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Antoine Levitt To: David De La Harpe Golden Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <4F605C6E.4080308@harpegolden.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:58:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4F605C6E.4080308@harpegolden.net> (David De La Harpe Golden's message of "Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:53:02 +0000") Message-ID: <87r4wveez1.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) 14/03/12 09:53, David De La Harpe Golden > On 14/03/12 07:12, Antoine Levitt wrote: >> From a posting on emacs-devel: >> >> Antoine Levitt: >> >>> Alright, I thought (kbd "S-TAB") would do the right thing, but >>> apparently not. I'm thoroughly confused by emacs keybinding system. >> >> Chong Yidong: >> >>> I think this is a bug in kbd. It doesn't seem to handle TAB with >>> modifiers right. Please file a bug. >> >> >> >> > > works for me (tm). what platform are we talking about? I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, with gnome/metacity. (on a french keyboard) Typing S-TAB gives: (translated from ) is undefined From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 14 05:43:10 2012 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 09:43:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kjd-0001F6-RB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:43:10 -0400 Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]:37617) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kjQ-0001EI-0L for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:43:07 -0400 Received: from [87.198.47.59] (87-198-47-59.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.47.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 451AF683F4; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F606114.3070200@harpegolden.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:52 +0000 From: David De La Harpe Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120216 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antoine Levitt Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <4F605C6E.4080308@harpegolden.net> <87r4wveez1.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87r4wveez1.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On 14/03/12 08:58, Antoine Levitt wrote: >> works for me (tm). what platform are we talking about? > > I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, with gnome/metacity. (on a french keyboard) > > Typing S-TAB gives: > (translated from) is undefined I'm just wrong, sorry for the noise - I overconfidently answered without rechecking my .emacs, I was actually doing: (global-set-key (kbd "") ...) probably /because/ the more naive "S-" didn't work. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 14 13:25:39 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 17:25:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50791 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7rxD-0004JY-8h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:25:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:57359) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7rx7-0004JO-Oz for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:25:36 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7rU2-00088D-44 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:55:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:55:30 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 11011 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) retitle 11011 kbd and TAB with modifiers (eg S-TAB) forwarded 11011 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-03/msg00037.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 20 15:06:57 2020 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2020 19:06:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44147 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8ptp-00074s-0O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:06:57 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f170.google.com ([209.85.219.170]:33857) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8pti-00074M-Or for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:06:53 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f170.google.com with SMTP id u6so1718809ybf.1 for <11011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=z1b6P4/tM+zM9ijmr913QlEuxhTS/yYaT2YtySJ/lL0=; b=Dx09oJB8qxpxjntUSEtsA5c5ps0gissQymHaNc7gzGCM+RDXZZfpCTjaZ3bgyD4bnp syq3Z3kfc/VA7GpwjoZtDOJAWHfhzev3XKinhsPsQz2HNiYQm7rJNHP11ISovKlc7Tfm kPiWD4481GGuNF0WfAULFIIBm4mm0TwmqYS1lkUjUS2BFXDCD8/u1ZRHn7y3d1k504hr YTH5rLYMfzkcTFEycm0jwwMitk8KYuEk2GK0mYXcTzvknMmjDSmbvnrzTolqgVOO0ljc Y+K5l5MnwZJa8x/M0vO9tm+9iHZvti+LVlm/EUZPdobJsBJ7QO4yadV06MoSnQWUar3C pu9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532FOvGp1EvrY5rfsa7F1rIYf1ZWmmN7wfjBdskNS2Q/b9NOxE4+ JoqRhXPMe+XT89r2TgB8sCw62X0c9XmSYETEV4A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwMGBUH4x0MreAFe1cfNGzRY5iUbd1N/Vua4+c/apUF/ovaJLI0AAxBizhmrppwCjeV/CTmhbgRxwcbwQG4Abo= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:410:: with SMTP id m16mr6626155ybp.309.1597950405387; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> (Antoine Levitt's message of "Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:23 +0100") References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB To: Antoine Levitt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) found 11011 28.0.50 tags 11011 + confirmed thanks Antoine Levitt writes: >>>From a posting on emacs-devel: > > Antoine Levitt : > >> Alright, I thought (kbd "S-TAB") would do the right thing, but >> apparently not. I'm thoroughly confused by emacs keybinding system. > > Chong Yidong : > >> I think this is a bug in kbd. It doesn't seem to handle TAB with >> modifiers right. Please file a bug. I can reproduce this on current master: 0. emacs -Q 1. (global-set-key (kbd "S-TAB") (lambda () (message "FOO"))) 2. S-TAB And see the following error: " is undefined" Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 20 15:36:15 2020 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2020 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8qMB-0001YM-4b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:36:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8qM9-0001Y9-7t for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:36:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k8qM3-00026q-DG; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:36:07 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4570 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k8qM2-0007e9-Rt; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:36:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:35:59 +0300 Message-Id: <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700 > Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org > > 0. emacs -Q > 1. (global-set-key (kbd "S-TAB") (lambda () (message "FOO"))) > 2. S-TAB > > And see the following error: " is undefined" You say "S-TAB", but that's not the key you pressed. You pressed , a function key, whereas S-TAB is a shifted ASCII character. Try "C-S-i" instead (which will also reveal a minor unrelated bug in your recipe ;-). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 20 16:18:20 2020 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2020 20:18:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8r0u-0004mg-5S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:18:20 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:51162) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8r0p-0004mQ-MY for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:18:18 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07KKH0VN039650; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:18:07 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=ZACzBoiF84y2kypnCzPl8Njz3PQEgDwUZeHLNHNkfzM=; b=PR7PIUQX9YY9YfZPNB7FAW12m5ucbzyquBjZbe+E6uqfu7vboZKkezUvdPT1On+rezoX RnRRLZ8y05Nfrbawdgo2D9606Aevibg6Hvhp4xdqxcNwx/wXm5BHWnGlj5scLPMSyBvj A8/hwjWBFU5v2LFAuOz1z6TOfnYejaXyIsvHysnI4PFqY5XIJ1EDbezbGxdsUKfXPxIL VdqJPDA7ds5pVwAuA4lDbexs7CLFE5KpZ7+3WEu1CEoj519zJYu7M4wzrUIaoteZ+D9I COBjw/Lf88qIRr6g9ZVSBzQHDagrmyl8ofnxFSM9Xsz2tgj6N95olOgUxttQcrVkK6TG WQ== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32x8bnjpk4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:18:07 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07KKEeZI140053; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:16:07 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32xsfvfeg0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:16:07 +0000 Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 07KKG5Ya019199; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:16:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Subject: RE: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB References: <<87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com>> <> <<83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5017.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9718 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008200162 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9718 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008200162 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > 0. emacs -Q > > 1. (global-set-key (kbd "S-TAB") (lambda () (message "FOO"))) > > 2. S-TAB > > > > And see the following error: " is undefined" >=20 > You say "S-TAB", but that's not the key you pressed. You pressed > , a function key, whereas S-TAB is a shifted ASCII character. > Try "C-S-i" instead (which will also reveal a minor unrelated bug in > your recipe ;-). I was going to say the same thing, or similar. `TAB` =3D `C-i`. `TAB' is not the same as `'. (kbd "S-") =3D> [S-tab] (kbd "S-TAB") =3D> [33554441] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 20 17:41:28 2020 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2020 21:41:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44319 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8sJM-0002nS-8N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:41:28 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f170.google.com ([209.85.219.170]:40090) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8sJK-0002nD-FX for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:41:26 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f170.google.com with SMTP id q3so1908728ybp.7 for <11011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=d0fsTmnOIpNN1txFqmTooVm5fGtwnHKHiQHsiP1Ndnk=; b=oPD33aRG6DQtok5X0aXEREuROK2ONbcSlK0o9DAVrBGT04qeiz+fvdivTn2eS3tLIZ TUULevc0QFWHa9Ohm6M1XvQYVtuTDuy1zRTrhHTQLv1ccKctXCToXQCkjIKz/z9e4oJx WyHlfh5WMJmYvi+CkRh7EJMf6IBqoONbqfW7mOIzPoDIvIn4NU9R7JoGz0qnsaLa92I+ g0Jfpc5cPjxlpH2YAL+yzg6LQwQUf5BTlx0aaeGt0zJ8fdeZsOO6kqCcutwBK/WqrodE u+LnygPwWJkD5wCGmOfAx0Z5Hkrd/391GOqq5xBNl6fUBiSWcJQ+d/jt0g5pd0VocckO JAjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KHAcfPNoZ1bYusODmrjLUq4NJvV8KVjJArVFAnnXr8Ng3nRl0 aEhKuPJOtwj2ozePH4dSwm3zakANCG3wanoYlIs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxoa8cFNCRGZSET4MBiIQL49oZJDpT6khPzOOP74fS3KeZASTYvwlcqGd3U7JE7tZyjMpzeUkcdx/ZdclaiNmY= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:508:: with SMTP id o8mr367390ybp.43.1597959680813; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:19 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700 >> Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> 0. emacs -Q >> 1. (global-set-key (kbd "S-TAB") (lambda () (message "FOO"))) >> 2. S-TAB >> >> And see the following error: " is undefined" > > You say "S-TAB", but that's not the key you pressed. You pressed > , a function key, whereas S-TAB is a shifted ASCII > character. Try "C-S-i" instead (which will also reveal a minor > unrelated bug in your recipe ;-). Hmm, now I see. This stuff always manages to confuse me. And I guess it also managed to confused Chong Yidong...? Not sure if there's anything to do here, if this is as it should be. Notabug? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 21 02:10:37 2020 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 06:10:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44777 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k90G5-0007HQ-5Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:10:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55020) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k90G1-0007HC-Sy for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:10:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55264) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k90Fw-000695-CG; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:10:28 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3471 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k90Fu-0005Jb-WB; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:10:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:10:21 +0300 Message-Id: <83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:19 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:19 -0700 > Cc: antoine.levitt@gmail.com, 11011@debbugs.gnu.org > > > You say "S-TAB", but that's not the key you pressed. You pressed > > , a function key, whereas S-TAB is a shifted ASCII > > character. Try "C-S-i" instead (which will also reveal a minor > > unrelated bug in your recipe ;-). > > Hmm, now I see. This stuff always manages to confuse me. And I guess > it also managed to confused Chong Yidong...? > > Not sure if there's anything to do here, if this is as it should be. > Notabug? Yes, I think this is just a confusing subtlety of function keys vs ASCII keys on a modern keyboard. The OP should have bound , not S-TAB. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 21 02:55:15 2020 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 06:55:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44809 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k90xG-0008LZ-Uq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:55:15 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f177.google.com ([209.85.219.177]:36882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k90xE-0008LE-Vf for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:55:13 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f177.google.com with SMTP id e14so521803ybf.4 for <11011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zcL/WWKneUP684CIU6MPH8D3d6cD+3gOYpreMDVna7M=; b=Nz+NYJSK1drlFhcrKh2bSKTyI17n+TBtPMM/KJY3KBJQ0aRA2BIYs/QbDTlypds+Xy 4UDotY/WWDl923F6mqYEp8IXYVyyAQ8QBwxPwSprOptcNlmcm01iivY1y7EUFpVvgXm8 M5K6w/ZYPmNoqYPHLxXzmMagB+b23zzpR8hgewGuvMt0T+FWfEPtw8EFd/JBCrwT/sAB fb8dhpMfXKCqsfkxFeMjcvaP0BgEH6qmm5uefxHSaNNEMt1ORBOU2bgmyKMr2yKMCjup VPVauprGiRd+EMNVu76AyeZRrMRalewftmZbOc1u/NLjmddzBN4DD6GkmypbjNiwX1Wc lIyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530AYUi2Hzpw589isRp8VPBpO/Mc0FFgM/uUhWzubOe+j99AqZmv 12IH9kp2v78VYqwp+DMWWRb8a9Y1qH4zj7v+QfA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw+9yRUXY2W628aPIdODcFgihixEy3cj5WMsSFwfyPyiF9+R/fvX3iY6u82lMCltKE0V9ONcmh8EeqvQTEUOss= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4609:: with SMTP id t9mr1792600yba.231.1597992907292; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:06 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:06 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) tags 11011 notabug close 11011 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Not sure if there's anything to do here, if this is as it should be. >> Notabug? > > Yes, I think this is just a confusing subtlety of function keys vs > ASCII keys on a modern keyboard. The OP should have bound , > not S-TAB. Thanks, so I'm closing this bug report now. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 21 03:12:18 2020 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 07:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44827 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k91Dm-0002Xw-4u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38484) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k91Dk-0002Xg-0o for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:17 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55719) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k91De-0004ZD-CX; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:10 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3554 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k91Dd-0002gW-Na; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:12:03 +0300 Message-Id: <83k0xsbhh8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:06 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:06 -0700 > Cc: antoine.levitt@gmail.com, 11011@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Yes, I think this is just a confusing subtlety of function keys vs > > ASCII keys on a modern keyboard. The OP should have bound , > > not S-TAB. Btw, binding would have also done TRT in that use case. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 21 11:20:06 2020 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 15:20:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k98pq-0007o3-5R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:20:06 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:43426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k98pn-0007nP-JK for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:20:04 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07LFH24f014476; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:19:57 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=W5K6D7rZ89eVieKDKEgjiyp++NQIEF1oMjOjh48z+uI=; b=lKcVzAgNYjE1Ao1kDtf+cJaYEOV04sHzv6mx7GDBmVNyclvCfeCFglzO5ucEFWmR3EO/ 2E1oQXyHlva6nR3Hi3XpnOGtvVCBJ18O4ONCKXahco25lTM3ZbmqcRm6qPOCCx0AK19x gG9zlabqkTCeaZ2FeW/5ldarta4W67lBY5kBOZbbEiHwVNKJc8/1GL9OfBsDKhncr1bb hXB3Cdpi/Z3Q62j0E/4ENTfwCRLG9P2N27FE1ttP+zaFdHM3sSGnWuZdOKWNtEGzri7y SZQnfuZB/uLrZuaRFJc0JPF9ll3zwx8F8VDnGAmHKvDKb50BsZjwP/SvXhJdXj1LtuCq Uw== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3327gcachn-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:19:57 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07LFD5HE134151; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:57 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32xsn2ntg4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:57 +0000 Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 07LFHtDA011909; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7fcdb333-cb38-4831-bdae-8fb8f4a4de35@default> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Subject: RE: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB References: <<87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com>> <> <<83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83k0xsbhh8.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83k0xsbhh8.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5017.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9719 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008210143 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9719 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 clxscore=1015 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008210143 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11011 Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Btw, binding would have also done TRT in that use case. Yes. IIUC, to be more exact, takes care of two cases: and . To get the effect of for Emacs prior to 22 you had to bind both of those keys ([S-tab] and [S-iso-lefttab]). From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:23:23 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator