From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Antoine Levitt Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.133171099726373 (code B ref -1); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:44:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 07:43:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49889 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7irc-0006rJ-BU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:43:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47645) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7irZ-0006rB-0S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:43:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iOR-0003QG-PE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:13:12 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:37490) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iOR-0003QC-Ly for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:13:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48113) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iO7-0003vE-K9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:13:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iO5-0003MN-P7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:12:47 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47795) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iO5-0003MA-IN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:12:45 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S7iO1-0007x6-Cf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:41 +0100 Received: from ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net ([78.233.218.202]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:41 +0100 Received: from antoine.levitt by ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:41 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Antoine Levitt Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:23 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ney92-7-78-233-218-202.fbx.proxad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) >From a posting on emacs-devel: Antoine Levitt : > Alright, I thought (kbd "S-TAB") would do the right thing, but > apparently not. I'm thoroughly confused by emacs keybinding system. Chong Yidong : > I think this is a bug in kbd. It doesn't seem to handle TAB with > modifiers right. Please file a bug. From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: David De La Harpe Golden Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Antoine Levitt Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.13317170223080 (code B ref 11011); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 09:23:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kQY-0000nJ-Ur for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:23:42 -0400 Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]:59019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kQE-0000mU-CW for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:23:07 -0400 Received: from [87.198.47.59] (87-198-47-59.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.47.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51685683F4; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:53:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F605C6E.4080308@harpegolden.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:53:02 +0000 From: David De La Harpe Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120216 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On 14/03/12 07:12, Antoine Levitt wrote: > From a posting on emacs-devel: > > Antoine Levitt: > >> Alright, I thought (kbd "S-TAB") would do the right thing, but >> apparently not. I'm thoroughly confused by emacs keybinding system. > > Chong Yidong: > >> I think this is a bug in kbd. It doesn't seem to handle TAB with >> modifiers right. Please file a bug. > > > > works for me (tm). what platform are we talking about? From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Antoine Levitt Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: David De La Harpe Golden Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.13317173433536 (code B ref 11011); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 09:29:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49985 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kVj-0000uR-TG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:29:02 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]:40354) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kVT-0000u6-7F for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:28:46 -0400 Received: by werb10 with SMTP id b10so1686189wer.3 for <11011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:58:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=dkKx/X0y/3a2FaA5wNg4pgdhbUFaaK6zZT5cTaQ9PVM=; b=aHAHQQsqeIREZNIF16pngv+nejkbVKjlmcJXbJfWZDF7hbEhPt4OpHznTKpxIol6i+ dDm+dacb0YTNw/dU4LH+sIpiCHDrWy+8Q4eWg35JwI3oriwFz4KfMeFpvBbUjubVPFTO nzwnzg0mK/IRQKsmkrjJrbsQeF5rFgVtxQA4k5BUSzf3fxmEFbw/AHOOQXtF69CGPqYR /aCcCwAQuCGfU2PuuLcvXnvxGM7T9ht8xHqrj8+bTosIvzeGdtV7rBUET1bKyDIS06P8 mSGxtkzUj4E0kKJ5vIoTMdDvyE+Tm/kGwK3cDlphJDK9jOBU0U1ZhLSwPnIaonqnb4nu SuuA== Received: by 10.216.137.149 with SMTP id y21mr1044437wei.110.1331715509243; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lambda (portable68.ceremade.dauphine.fr. [193.48.71.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fz9sm15755298wib.3.2012.03.14.01.58.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Antoine Levitt References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <4F605C6E.4080308@harpegolden.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:58:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4F605C6E.4080308@harpegolden.net> (David De La Harpe Golden's message of "Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:53:02 +0000") Message-ID: <87r4wveez1.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) 14/03/12 09:53, David De La Harpe Golden > On 14/03/12 07:12, Antoine Levitt wrote: >> From a posting on emacs-devel: >> >> Antoine Levitt: >> >>> Alright, I thought (kbd "S-TAB") would do the right thing, but >>> apparently not. I'm thoroughly confused by emacs keybinding system. >> >> Chong Yidong: >> >>> I think this is a bug in kbd. It doesn't seem to handle TAB with >>> modifiers right. Please file a bug. >> >> >> >> > > works for me (tm). what platform are we talking about? I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, with gnome/metacity. (on a french keyboard) Typing S-TAB gives: (translated from ) is undefined From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: David De La Harpe Golden Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Antoine Levitt Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.13317181904784 (code B ref 11011); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 09:43:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kjd-0001F6-RB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:43:10 -0400 Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]:37617) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7kjQ-0001EI-0L for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:43:07 -0400 Received: from [87.198.47.59] (87-198-47-59.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.47.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 451AF683F4; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F606114.3070200@harpegolden.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:52 +0000 From: David De La Harpe Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120216 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <4F605C6E.4080308@harpegolden.net> <87r4wveez1.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87r4wveez1.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On 14/03/12 08:58, Antoine Levitt wrote: >> works for me (tm). what platform are we talking about? > > I'm using Ubuntu 11.10, with gnome/metacity. (on a french keyboard) > > Typing S-TAB gives: > (translated from) is undefined I'm just wrong, sorry for the noise - I overconfidently answered without rechecking my .emacs, I was actually doing: (global-set-key (kbd "") ...) probably /because/ the more naive "S-" didn't work. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 14 13:25:39 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 17:25:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50791 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7rxD-0004JY-8h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:25:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:57359) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7rx7-0004JO-Oz for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:25:36 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7rU2-00088D-44 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:55:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:55:30 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 11011 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) retitle 11011 kbd and TAB with modifiers (eg S-TAB) forwarded 11011 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-03/msg00037.html From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Antoine Levitt Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.159795041727214 (code B ref 11011); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2020 19:06:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44147 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8ptp-00074s-0O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:06:57 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f170.google.com ([209.85.219.170]:33857) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8pti-00074M-Or for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:06:53 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f170.google.com with SMTP id u6so1718809ybf.1 for <11011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=z1b6P4/tM+zM9ijmr913QlEuxhTS/yYaT2YtySJ/lL0=; b=Dx09oJB8qxpxjntUSEtsA5c5ps0gissQymHaNc7gzGCM+RDXZZfpCTjaZ3bgyD4bnp syq3Z3kfc/VA7GpwjoZtDOJAWHfhzev3XKinhsPsQz2HNiYQm7rJNHP11ISovKlc7Tfm kPiWD4481GGuNF0WfAULFIIBm4mm0TwmqYS1lkUjUS2BFXDCD8/u1ZRHn7y3d1k504hr YTH5rLYMfzkcTFEycm0jwwMitk8KYuEk2GK0mYXcTzvknMmjDSmbvnrzTolqgVOO0ljc Y+K5l5MnwZJa8x/M0vO9tm+9iHZvti+LVlm/EUZPdobJsBJ7QO4yadV06MoSnQWUar3C pu9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532FOvGp1EvrY5rfsa7F1rIYf1ZWmmN7wfjBdskNS2Q/b9NOxE4+ JoqRhXPMe+XT89r2TgB8sCw62X0c9XmSYETEV4A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwMGBUH4x0MreAFe1cfNGzRY5iUbd1N/Vua4+c/apUF/ovaJLI0AAxBizhmrppwCjeV/CTmhbgRxwcbwQG4Abo= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:410:: with SMTP id m16mr6626155ybp.309.1597950405387; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> (Antoine Levitt's message of "Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:12:23 +0100") References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) found 11011 28.0.50 tags 11011 + confirmed thanks Antoine Levitt writes: >>>From a posting on emacs-devel: > > Antoine Levitt : > >> Alright, I thought (kbd "S-TAB") would do the right thing, but >> apparently not. I'm thoroughly confused by emacs keybinding system. > > Chong Yidong : > >> I think this is a bug in kbd. It doesn't seem to handle TAB with >> modifiers right. Please file a bug. I can reproduce this on current master: 0. emacs -Q 1. (global-set-key (kbd "S-TAB") (lambda () (message "FOO"))) 2. S-TAB And see the following error: " is undefined" Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.15979521755978 (code B ref 11011); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2020 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8qMB-0001YM-4b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:36:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8qM9-0001Y9-7t for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:36:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k8qM3-00026q-DG; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:36:07 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4570 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k8qM2-0007e9-Rt; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:36:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:35:59 +0300 Message-Id: <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700) References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700 > Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org > > 0. emacs -Q > 1. (global-set-key (kbd "S-TAB") (lambda () (message "FOO"))) > 2. S-TAB > > And see the following error: " is undefined" You say "S-TAB", but that's not the key you pressed. You pressed , a function key, whereas S-TAB is a shifted ASCII character. Try "C-S-i" instead (which will also reveal a minor unrelated bug in your recipe ;-). From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.159795470018399 (code B ref 11011); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2020 20:18:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8r0u-0004mg-5S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:18:20 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:51162) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8r0p-0004mQ-MY for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:18:18 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07KKH0VN039650; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:18:07 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=ZACzBoiF84y2kypnCzPl8Njz3PQEgDwUZeHLNHNkfzM=; b=PR7PIUQX9YY9YfZPNB7FAW12m5ucbzyquBjZbe+E6uqfu7vboZKkezUvdPT1On+rezoX RnRRLZ8y05Nfrbawdgo2D9606Aevibg6Hvhp4xdqxcNwx/wXm5BHWnGlj5scLPMSyBvj A8/hwjWBFU5v2LFAuOz1z6TOfnYejaXyIsvHysnI4PFqY5XIJ1EDbezbGxdsUKfXPxIL VdqJPDA7ds5pVwAuA4lDbexs7CLFE5KpZ7+3WEu1CEoj519zJYu7M4wzrUIaoteZ+D9I COBjw/Lf88qIRr6g9ZVSBzQHDagrmyl8ofnxFSM9Xsz2tgj6N95olOgUxttQcrVkK6TG WQ== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32x8bnjpk4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:18:07 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07KKEeZI140053; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:16:07 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32xsfvfeg0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:16:07 +0000 Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 07KKG5Ya019199; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:16:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <<87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com>> <> <<83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5017.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9718 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008200162 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9718 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008200162 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > 0. emacs -Q > > 1. (global-set-key (kbd "S-TAB") (lambda () (message "FOO"))) > > 2. S-TAB > > > > And see the following error: " is undefined" >=20 > You say "S-TAB", but that's not the key you pressed. You pressed > , a function key, whereas S-TAB is a shifted ASCII character. > Try "C-S-i" instead (which will also reveal a minor unrelated bug in > your recipe ;-). I was going to say the same thing, or similar. `TAB` =3D `C-i`. `TAB' is not the same as `'. (kbd "S-") =3D> [S-tab] (kbd "S-TAB") =3D> [33554441] From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.159795968810759 (code B ref 11011); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2020 21:41:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44319 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8sJM-0002nS-8N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:41:28 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f170.google.com ([209.85.219.170]:40090) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k8sJK-0002nD-FX for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:41:26 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f170.google.com with SMTP id q3so1908728ybp.7 for <11011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=d0fsTmnOIpNN1txFqmTooVm5fGtwnHKHiQHsiP1Ndnk=; b=oPD33aRG6DQtok5X0aXEREuROK2ONbcSlK0o9DAVrBGT04qeiz+fvdivTn2eS3tLIZ TUULevc0QFWHa9Ohm6M1XvQYVtuTDuy1zRTrhHTQLv1ccKctXCToXQCkjIKz/z9e4oJx WyHlfh5WMJmYvi+CkRh7EJMf6IBqoONbqfW7mOIzPoDIvIn4NU9R7JoGz0qnsaLa92I+ g0Jfpc5cPjxlpH2YAL+yzg6LQwQUf5BTlx0aaeGt0zJ8fdeZsOO6kqCcutwBK/WqrodE u+LnygPwWJkD5wCGmOfAx0Z5Hkrd/391GOqq5xBNl6fUBiSWcJQ+d/jt0g5pd0VocckO JAjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KHAcfPNoZ1bYusODmrjLUq4NJvV8KVjJArVFAnnXr8Ng3nRl0 aEhKuPJOtwj2ozePH4dSwm3zakANCG3wanoYlIs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxoa8cFNCRGZSET4MBiIQL49oZJDpT6khPzOOP74fS3KeZASTYvwlcqGd3U7JE7tZyjMpzeUkcdx/ZdclaiNmY= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:508:: with SMTP id o8mr367390ybp.43.1597959680813; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:19 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:19 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:06:44 -0700 >> Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> 0. emacs -Q >> 1. (global-set-key (kbd "S-TAB") (lambda () (message "FOO"))) >> 2. S-TAB >> >> And see the following error: " is undefined" > > You say "S-TAB", but that's not the key you pressed. You pressed > , a function key, whereas S-TAB is a shifted ASCII > character. Try "C-S-i" instead (which will also reveal a minor > unrelated bug in your recipe ;-). Hmm, now I see. This stuff always manages to confuse me. And I guess it also managed to confused Chong Yidong...? Not sure if there's anything to do here, if this is as it should be. Notabug? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 06:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.159799023727992 (code B ref 11011); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 06:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 06:10:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44777 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k90G5-0007HQ-5Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:10:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55020) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k90G1-0007HC-Sy for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:10:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55264) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k90Fw-000695-CG; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:10:28 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3471 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k90Fu-0005Jb-WB; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:10:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:10:21 +0300 Message-Id: <83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:19 -0700) References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:41:19 -0700 > Cc: antoine.levitt@gmail.com, 11011@debbugs.gnu.org > > > You say "S-TAB", but that's not the key you pressed. You pressed > > , a function key, whereas S-TAB is a shifted ASCII > > character. Try "C-S-i" instead (which will also reveal a minor > > unrelated bug in your recipe ;-). > > Hmm, now I see. This stuff always manages to confuse me. And I guess > it also managed to confused Chong Yidong...? > > Not sure if there's anything to do here, if this is as it should be. > Notabug? Yes, I think this is just a confusing subtlety of function keys vs ASCII keys on a modern keyboard. The OP should have bound , not S-TAB. From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 06:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.159799291532099 (code B ref 11011); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 06:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 06:55:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44809 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k90xG-0008LZ-Uq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:55:15 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f177.google.com ([209.85.219.177]:36882) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k90xE-0008LE-Vf for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 02:55:13 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f177.google.com with SMTP id e14so521803ybf.4 for <11011@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zcL/WWKneUP684CIU6MPH8D3d6cD+3gOYpreMDVna7M=; b=Nz+NYJSK1drlFhcrKh2bSKTyI17n+TBtPMM/KJY3KBJQ0aRA2BIYs/QbDTlypds+Xy 4UDotY/WWDl923F6mqYEp8IXYVyyAQ8QBwxPwSprOptcNlmcm01iivY1y7EUFpVvgXm8 M5K6w/ZYPmNoqYPHLxXzmMagB+b23zzpR8hgewGuvMt0T+FWfEPtw8EFd/JBCrwT/sAB fb8dhpMfXKCqsfkxFeMjcvaP0BgEH6qmm5uefxHSaNNEMt1ORBOU2bgmyKMr2yKMCjup VPVauprGiRd+EMNVu76AyeZRrMRalewftmZbOc1u/NLjmddzBN4DD6GkmypbjNiwX1Wc lIyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530AYUi2Hzpw589isRp8VPBpO/Mc0FFgM/uUhWzubOe+j99AqZmv 12IH9kp2v78VYqwp+DMWWRb8a9Y1qH4zj7v+QfA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw+9yRUXY2W628aPIdODcFgihixEy3cj5WMsSFwfyPyiF9+R/fvX3iY6u82lMCltKE0V9ONcmh8EeqvQTEUOss= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4609:: with SMTP id t9mr1792600yba.231.1597992907292; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:06 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:06 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) tags 11011 notabug close 11011 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Not sure if there's anything to do here, if this is as it should be. >> Notabug? > > Yes, I think this is just a confusing subtlety of function keys vs > ASCII keys on a modern keyboard. The OP should have bound , > not S-TAB. Thanks, so I'm closing this bug report now. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug confirmed To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.15979939389796 (code B ref 11011); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 07:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44827 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k91Dm-0002Xw-4u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38484) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k91Dk-0002Xg-0o for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:17 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55719) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k91De-0004ZD-CX; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:10 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3554 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k91Dd-0002gW-Na; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:12:03 +0300 Message-Id: <83k0xsbhh8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:06 -0700) References: <87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com> <83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:06 -0700 > Cc: antoine.levitt@gmail.com, 11011@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Yes, I think this is just a confusing subtlety of function keys vs > > ASCII keys on a modern keyboard. The OP should have bound , > > not S-TAB. Btw, binding would have also done TRT in that use case. From unknown Tue Aug 19 02:56:27 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11011: Binding S-TAB Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11011 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug confirmed To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Cc: 11011@debbugs.gnu.org, antoine.levitt@gmail.com Received: via spool by 11011-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11011.159802320630016 (code B ref 11011); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 11011) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2020 15:20:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k98pq-0007o3-5R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:20:06 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:43426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k98pn-0007nP-JK for 11011@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:20:04 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07LFH24f014476; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:19:57 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=W5K6D7rZ89eVieKDKEgjiyp++NQIEF1oMjOjh48z+uI=; b=lKcVzAgNYjE1Ao1kDtf+cJaYEOV04sHzv6mx7GDBmVNyclvCfeCFglzO5ucEFWmR3EO/ 2E1oQXyHlva6nR3Hi3XpnOGtvVCBJ18O4ONCKXahco25lTM3ZbmqcRm6qPOCCx0AK19x gG9zlabqkTCeaZ2FeW/5ldarta4W67lBY5kBOZbbEiHwVNKJc8/1GL9OfBsDKhncr1bb hXB3Cdpi/Z3Q62j0E/4ENTfwCRLG9P2N27FE1ttP+zaFdHM3sSGnWuZdOKWNtEGzri7y SZQnfuZB/uLrZuaRFJc0JPF9ll3zwx8F8VDnGAmHKvDKb50BsZjwP/SvXhJdXj1LtuCq Uw== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3327gcachn-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:19:57 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 07LFD5HE134151; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:57 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32xsn2ntg4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:57 +0000 Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 07LFHtDA011909; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7fcdb333-cb38-4831-bdae-8fb8f4a4de35@default> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:17:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Drew Adams References: <<87aa3jy7u0.fsf@gmail.com>> <> <<83y2m9az4w.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83o8n4bkc2.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83k0xsbhh8.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83k0xsbhh8.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5017.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9719 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008210143 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9719 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 clxscore=1015 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008210143 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Btw, binding would have also done TRT in that use case. Yes. IIUC, to be more exact, takes care of two cases: and . To get the effect of for Emacs prior to 22 you had to bind both of those keys ([S-tab] and [S-iso-lefttab]).