From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:43:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11000: 24.0.94; Caching '--dired' is a bad idea Resent-From: Leo Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: cyd@stupidchicken.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 11000 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11000@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Chong Yidong X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Xcc: Chong Yidong Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.133155460021554 (code B ref -1); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:17:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2012 12:16:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46247 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S74B5-0005ba-2c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:16:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37198) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S74B2-0005bS-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:16:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73i4-0001ID-4P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:49081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73i3-0001I8-Tv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35625) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73hg-0002AO-3y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73ha-0001Dm-A9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:14 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:52349) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73ha-0001DJ-3G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:10 -0400 Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so7628402iaj.0 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:x-debbugs-cc:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=vyadkSu9VgtI8jBM782rRiRPWw5SSZC+pAnWYrJnaOA=; b=O5IPClhOYqucayrKBjTV9MZL9LdnwTrGKA/mhnSd3dZR1MnQfwnKq+zXFGItdVDioZ U9GByOF83U0M0zRY9q7K0KGOUjfkPu5mWpBGcq2gVyrVaSo3aSb8m3gVym1fNtNYMwBs 198cIWcqyI2XTq4qPlZe72yaTxHfqURDgPAimJ2vw81NPpL9Zz6Ol7JYVhB4V5DojouO WfvD/qYkR3QCmgUVg8cmadwb5N2tqZtsQogHhcU1GZGljCwOTO8c/RANbv1lJYXr0dD+ Crgx9AlBPWDDVkqaX51LJ6dxUmgkqfEIGnJgUytToALXGxz+t21iBdBZPUWjTMl/fXZf 0T0w== Received: by 10.50.45.229 with SMTP id q5mr18240108igm.62.1331552764465; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([114.249.24.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a9sm12209790igd.3.2012.03.12.04.46.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:45:52 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) If I change insert-directory-program from one supports --dired to one not, I can no longer open any directory in dired-mode. For example on OSX, I have the `ls' from BSD and another one from GNU coreutils installed as `gls', not to mention opening remote directories. I think caching --dired switch in dired-use-ls-dired is a bad idea. Leo From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:43:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11000: 24.0.94; Caching '--dired' is a bad idea Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11000 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Leo Cc: 11000@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11000-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11000.133157264919827 (code B ref 11000); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 11000) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2012 17:17:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47086 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S78sC-00059j-CB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:17:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35594) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S78sA-00059c-LM for 11000@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:17:27 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S78PE-0003VG-Fi; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:47:32 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: SP4 mailbomb Telex Iran Fedayeen sniper Bruxelles bomb X-Ran: RiGJ|o?KP?U2wE4D(U]:R#A6xR4OEJ{@|St6w:e*%.BDRA\SV5tsc']*lytu-vwCQz$4|2 X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:47:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:45:52 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Leo wrote: > If I change insert-directory-program from one supports --dired to one > not, I can no longer open any directory in dired-mode. For example on > OSX, I have the `ls' from BSD and another one from GNU coreutils > installed as `gls', not to mention opening remote directories. > > I think caching --dired switch in dired-use-ls-dired is a bad idea. Not caching it is a worse idea. There should simple be a note in the doc of insert-directory-program, saying that if you change this, you may need to change dired-use-ls-dired. If insert-directory-program were a defcustom (currently, it is not even a user option), it could have a :set function that makes the necessary change for you. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:43:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11000: 24.0.94; Caching '--dired' is a bad idea In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Leo Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11000 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 11000@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.133163745428035 (code B ref -1); Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:18:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2012 11:17:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48263 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7PjR-0007I7-Cf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:17:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59571) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7PjO-0007Hz-TX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:17:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7PGL-0005E8-5z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:47:34 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:44536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7PGL-0005E3-2R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:47:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45392) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7PGJ-0005wE-DI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:47:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7PGD-0005CW-6w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:47:26 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:35525) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7PGD-0005Bz-01 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:47:21 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S7PG7-0001N7-I1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:47:15 +0100 Received: from 111.194.95.182 ([111.194.95.182]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:47:15 +0100 Received: from sdl.web by 111.194.95.182 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:47:15 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Leo Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:47:01 +0800 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 111.194.95.182 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAMFBMVEUaFRZLMy1dTENxVzKQ WiCrXQ97cmO/dSqSh3akjGTApXy5sJ7Sxo/Sz8Xo6eP9//xJbkruAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlw SFlzAAACxQAAAsUBidZ/7wAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMJOwHXewoAAAIBSURBVCjPVdNBiNNAFADQ6J4F x3hThHZBBC+WCFI8SS0iezRDcMHLHkLAg6gJH/fgYQ9xYlj2sLK4KHgqCgXFhda2Idmr4kkQPZQ0 nkQMbTypbMmMM2m7ZgYSmMef/5OZPwo7HFnx3uKPcmj0Dht1LWZJ+Hvr7dIFZXRUwl9VRTuuKDJ+ U44gjscknK4hhJaCkYRsWjmBtLqXlJAG2wipNe18OZJu1BBq1E8xafl4s6Jq2mUZGftU1y7CCxnp FVUDWJXx4C66BKBnErbuoaYNtoRTu6EZBsCbMn7W+5qOAR6WvxNOby9jHWC9hAf3n304CdiAByXs 3Nh9roLDkyb/sWV712vYwaLSAn8CPMHIAAzOPDKP2COAFm4Y4ODVWc6xG7KXsN7UeUJjjimx2uwd gCgNhr0i8C/xyCD5CiCKAMY3Bf5oDzx//w/fimscdcAZU2jv9sedx6+nYPPFIoWI/GK6QZ+EFGOR ErAjCnV3vPZ7XqlTIMbOLY7fLcvvmT7rXNWaGDexIY44N12TG2PDp7vqyl57dnCeuWwyNpnEURxk fTbDYeBnKRn4oejPYI4sH6WviBumEZ/GxX4X/x6EcURFZ7E071bjQGAxpcOAEOJuTiroDEea5Szv rVWLYfl7ZiQwSUToxrkux7OLixAWGz22+HIyWTRYcVfomOwvzusfjtVIGgLHf3MAAAAASUVORK5C YII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (Mac OS X 10.6.8) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JVycaVyOk7wV2yVS80IlJSz/eSE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) On 2012-03-13 00:47 +0800, Glenn Morris wrote: > Not caching it is a worse idea. Could you elaborate on this point? I really would like to know. > There should simple be a note in the doc of insert-directory-program, > saying that if you change this, you may need to change > dired-use-ls-dired. If insert-directory-program were a defcustom > (currently, it is not even a user option), it could have a :set > function that makes the necessary change for you. I agree. Leo From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:43:05 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#11000: 24.0.94; Caching '--dired' is a bad idea In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11000 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Leo Cc: 11000@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 11000-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11000.133168427519570 (code B ref 11000); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 11000) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 00:17:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49458 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7buc-00055a-8H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:17:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37509) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7buQ-00055K-Ql for 11000@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:17:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7bRO-0001Bf-IJ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:47:42 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: mailbomb freedom Agfa Telex Chobetsu Becker FTS2000 Craig X-Ran: bTph({TCkl,3D_bmQOs.plomi'1i4d$ User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Leo wrote: > On 2012-03-13 00:47 +0800, Glenn Morris wrote: >> Not caching it is a worse idea. > > Could you elaborate on this point? I really would like to know. Just that it sounds very inefficient for everybody to have test what options `ls' supports on every invocation, just because you are doing something that sounds frankly rather odd. There are many places in Emacs that test for features in external commands the first time only, then make the IMO reasonable assumption that the command isn't going to change underneath. rmail-movemail-variant-in-use, find-exec-terminator, etc. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 07 20:15:27 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2013 01:15:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42659 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U3cYo-000768-Ky for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:15:26 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:54415) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U3cYn-00074o-Og for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:15:26 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U3cYn-0006kx-9o for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:15:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:15:25 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 11000 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) tag 11000 wontfix From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:43:05 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Leo Subject: bug#11000: closed (Re: bug#11000: 24.0.94; Caching '--dired' is a bad idea) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 11000 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: wontfix Reply-To: 11000@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 12:04:01 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1364126641-15163-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1364126641-15163-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #11000: 24.0.94; Caching '--dired' is a bad idea which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 11000@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 11000: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D11000 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1364126641-15163-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 11000-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Mar 2013 12:03:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43068 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UJjeO-0003wA-Uo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:03:49 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]:42912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UJjeN-0003w3-Dv for 11000-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:03:47 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id rp2so3728161pbb.20 for <11000-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:01:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:references:face:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=PgyP/lDZup3d+t1KtYVzUy3BsvCfwxCQiX2/wlq/Zek=; b=q+NJvQF0Zf/XG708zKa8meMJLxPLCaZubi01opE5fXxYUdhKqHIoyWhHZR2s1CdWA+ cgayRclCMl73XN4/+v5/gJ+RLNIqniW0/H+nwN1ma8ww6Vlim0dJWyHMul3ZU+xJsQOL j7ojUYYcn9CglkwstJ7Rro2ZQWecx52jNn8up7qnsuv9eT8TTyO+nK0e+r2EibIOD9JZ aDrhb+oflYmf2MQIa7Q7a0I1hgDTucAgkvA5VUlzJBMcG5NXPm2DhaGn57BWU1upiGza im2b0DCJPIn8747wII2qXZtDTf3Ht2LkBZOlYk+TBDMW44GR/OvgHAft2hUe2DYD+8pJ RXxg== X-Received: by 10.66.13.35 with SMTP id e3mr12793617pac.186.1364126499364; Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zeuss-MacBook.local ([119.161.133.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wl14sm10550265pac.18.2013.03.24.05.01.36 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Mar 2013 05:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Liu To: 11000-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#11000: 24.0.94; Caching '--dired' is a bad idea References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAMFBMVEUaFRZLMy1dTENxVzKQ WiCrXQ97cmO/dSqSh3akjGTApXy5sJ7Sxo/Sz8Xo6eP9//xJbkruAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlw SFlzAAACxQAAAsUBidZ/7wAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMJOwHXewoAAAIBSURBVCjPVdNBiNNAFADQ6J4F x3hThHZBBC+WCFI8SS0iezRDcMHLHkLAg6gJH/fgYQ9xYlj2sLK4KHgqCgXFhda2Idmr4kkQPZQ0 nkQMbTypbMmMM2m7ZgYSmMef/5OZPwo7HFnx3uKPcmj0Dht1LWZJ+Hvr7dIFZXRUwl9VRTuuKDJ+ U44gjscknK4hhJaCkYRsWjmBtLqXlJAG2wipNe18OZJu1BBq1E8xafl4s6Jq2mUZGftU1y7CCxnp FVUDWJXx4C66BKBnErbuoaYNtoRTu6EZBsCbMn7W+5qOAR6WvxNOby9jHWC9hAf3n304CdiAByXs 3Nh9roLDkyb/sWV712vYwaLSAn8CPMHIAAzOPDKP2COAFm4Y4ODVWc6xG7KXsN7UeUJjjimx2uwd gCgNhr0i8C/xyCD5CiCKAMY3Bf5oDzx//w/fimscdcAZU2jv9sedx6+nYPPFIoWI/GK6QZ+EFGOR ErAjCnV3vPZ7XqlTIMbOLY7fLcvvmT7rXNWaGDexIY44N12TG2PDp7vqyl57dnCeuWwyNpnEURxk fTbDYeBnKRn4oejPYI4sH6WviBumEZ/GxX4X/x6EcURFZ7E071bjQGAxpcOAEOJuTiroDEea5Szv rVWLYfl7ZiQwSUToxrkux7OLixAWGz22+HIyWTRYcVfomOwvzusfjtVIGgLHf3MAAAAASUVORK5C YII= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 20:01:30 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:47:42 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11000-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Not a bug. ------------=_1364126641-15163-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2012 12:16:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46247 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S74B5-0005ba-2c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:16:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37198) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S74B2-0005bS-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:16:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73i4-0001ID-4P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:49081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73i3-0001I8-Tv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35625) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73hg-0002AO-3y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:39 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73ha-0001Dm-A9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:14 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:52349) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S73ha-0001DJ-3G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:46:10 -0400 Received: by iajr24 with SMTP id r24so7628402iaj.0 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:x-debbugs-cc:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=vyadkSu9VgtI8jBM782rRiRPWw5SSZC+pAnWYrJnaOA=; b=O5IPClhOYqucayrKBjTV9MZL9LdnwTrGKA/mhnSd3dZR1MnQfwnKq+zXFGItdVDioZ U9GByOF83U0M0zRY9q7K0KGOUjfkPu5mWpBGcq2gVyrVaSo3aSb8m3gVym1fNtNYMwBs 198cIWcqyI2XTq4qPlZe72yaTxHfqURDgPAimJ2vw81NPpL9Zz6Ol7JYVhB4V5DojouO WfvD/qYkR3QCmgUVg8cmadwb5N2tqZtsQogHhcU1GZGljCwOTO8c/RANbv1lJYXr0dD+ Crgx9AlBPWDDVkqaX51LJ6dxUmgkqfEIGnJgUytToALXGxz+t21iBdBZPUWjTMl/fXZf 0T0w== Received: by 10.50.45.229 with SMTP id q5mr18240108igm.62.1331552764465; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([114.249.24.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a9sm12209790igd.3.2012.03.12.04.46.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.94; Caching '--dired' is a bad idea X-Debbugs-CC: Chong Yidong Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:45:52 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) If I change insert-directory-program from one supports --dired to one not, I can no longer open any directory in dired-mode. For example on OSX, I have the `ls' from BSD and another one from GNU coreutils installed as `gls', not to mention opening remote directories. I think caching --dired switch in dired-use-ls-dired is a bad idea. Leo ------------=_1364126641-15163-1--