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From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (The Gnus Bugfixing Girls + Boys)
Subject: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:35:59 -0500

When I send e-mail, I get a stream of error messages:

Sending via mail...
Sending email 
Sending email done
Sending...done
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.sysutils.autoconf.general
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.sysutils.autoconf.general error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.sysutils.autoconf.general
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.devel
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.devel error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.devel
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.general
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.general error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.general
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lang.r.general
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lang.r.general error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lang.r.general
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.nxml.general
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.nxml.general error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.nxml.general
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.common-lisp.implementation-hackers
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.common-lisp.implementation-hackers error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.common-lisp.implementation-hackers
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.java.beanshell.user
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.java.beanshell.user error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.java.beanshell.user
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.gnu.libtool.general
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.gnu.libtool.general error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.gnu.libtool.general
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.steel-bank.announce
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.steel-bank.announce error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.steel-bank.announce
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.announce
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.announce error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.announce
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.user
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.user error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.user
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.mathematics.pari.user
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.mathematics.pari.user error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.mathematics.pari.user
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.apps
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.apps error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.apps
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.bbdb.user
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.bbdb.user error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.bbdb.user
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.mercurial.general
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.mercurial.general error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.mercurial.general
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.misc
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.misc error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.misc
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.cl-pro
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.cl-pro error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.cl-pro
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.devel
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.devel error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.devel
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.git
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.git error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.git
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.help
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.help error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.help
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.devel
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.devel error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.devel
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org
nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gmane.org
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gwene.org.gwene.org.slashdot
nndraft:marks.news.gwene.org.gwene.org.slashdot error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gwene.org.gwene.org.slashdot
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gwene.org
nndraft:marks.news.gwene.org error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.gwene.org
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.eternal-september.org.comp.lang.lisp
nndraft:marks.news.eternal-september.org.comp.lang.lisp error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.eternal-september.org.comp.lang.lisp
Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.eternal-september.org
nndraft:marks.news.eternal-september.org error: Can't select group (no such directory): marks.news.eternal-september.org

basically, one error for each subscribed newsgroup.

mail-user-agent
==> gnus-user-agent
send-mail-function
==> smtpmail-send-it
smtpmail-smtp-service
==> 587
smtpmail-smtp-server
==> "smtp.gmail.com"


Gnus v5.13
GNU Emacs 24.0.94.3 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars)
 of 2012-02-29 on t520sds
200 news.gmane.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.1 ready (posting ok)

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Message #8 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:28:35 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> When I send e-mail, I get a stream of error messages:
>
> Sending via mail...
> Sending email 
> Sending email done
> Sending...done
> Can't select group (no such directory):
> marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general
> nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general error: Can't
> select group (no such directory):
> marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general

[...]

> basically, one error for each subscribed newsgroup.

And all the messages come after "Sending...done".

I have no idea what could be causing this.  Do you have any special
customisations when sending email, possibly involving how draft messages
are saved?

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Message #11 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:59:31 -0500

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-10 02:28:35 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> When I send e-mail, I get a stream of error messages:
>>
>> Sending via mail...
>> Sending email 
>> Sending email done
>> Sending...done
>> Can't select group (no such directory):
>> marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general
>> nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general error: Can't
>> select group (no such directory):
>> marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general
>
> [...]
>
>> basically, one error for each subscribed newsgroup.
>
> And all the messages come after "Sending...done".
>
> I have no idea what could be causing this.  Do you have any special
> customisations when sending email, possibly involving how draft
> messages are saved?

no. nndraft-directory is "/home/sds/Mail/" and that is the only setting I have.
the `marks' groups are not mentioned anywhere in .newsrc*


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Message #14 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:55:26 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> no. nndraft-directory is "/home/sds/Mail/" and that is the only
> setting I have.  the `marks' groups are not mentioned anywhere in
> .newsrc*

Could you try `M-x debug-on-entry RET nndraft-request-group RET', and
then continue a few times?  That will probably tell us what's calling
this.

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Message #17 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:39:52 -0400

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-12 01:55:26 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> no. nndraft-directory is "/home/sds/Mail/" and that is the only
>> setting I have.  the `marks' groups are not mentioned anywhere in
>> .newsrc*
>
> Could you try `M-x debug-on-entry RET nndraft-request-group RET', and
> then continue a few times?  That will probably tell us what's calling
> this.

before the message buffer is created:

Debugger entered--entering a function:
  nndraft-request-group("drafts")
* nndraft-request-associate-buffer("drafts")
  message-set-auto-save-file-name()
  message-mode()
  message-pop-to-buffer("*unsent wide reply to Vitalie Spinu*" nil)
  message-reply(nil t)
  message-wide-reply(nil)
  gnus-post-news(nil "nnimap+gmail:cas" [252 "Re: [ESS-bugs] ess-mode 12.03; error on tab" "Vitalie Spinu <spinuvit <at> gmail.com>" #("Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:35:44 +0100" 0 1 (gnus-time (20318 16896))) "<87boo11xbz.fsf <at> gmail.com>" "<87sjhdg4dn.fsf <at> gnu.org> <4F5E320C.2050804 <at> mcw.edu>" 7323 42 nil ((To . "Rodney Sparapani <rsparapa <at> mcw.edu>"))] "*Article nnimap+gmail:cas*" (252) nil nil)
  gnus-summary-followup((252) nil)
  gnus-summary-followup-with-original(nil)
  call-interactively(gnus-summary-followup-with-original nil nil)


when sending:



Debugger entered--entering a function:
  nndraft-request-group("marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general" "" nil nil)
* gnus-activate-group("nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general" nil nil (nndraft ""))
  gnus-group-get-new-news-this-group(nil t)
  nndraft-update-unread-articles()
  eval((nndraft-update-unread-articles))
  byte-code("\301!\203\f \210\202\302!\210\301\207" [action functionp eval] 2)
  message-do-actions(((progn (setq gnus-current-window-configuration (quote article)) (when (gnus-buffer-exists-p "*Summary nnimap+gmail:cas*") (set-window-configuration #<window-configuration>))) (nndraft-update-unread-articles)))
  message-send-and-exit(nil)
  call-interactively(message-send-and-exit nil nil)

in gnus-group-get-new-news-this-group
(gnus-group-process-prefix n)
returns

("nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.sysutils.autoconf.general" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.devel" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.general" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lang.r.general" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.nxml.general" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.common-lisp.implementation-hackers" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.java.beanshell.user" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.gnu.libtool.general" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.steel-bank.announce" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.announce" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.user" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.mathematics.pari.user" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.apps" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.bbdb.user" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.mercurial.general" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.misc" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.cl-pro" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.devel" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.git" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.help" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.devel" "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org" "nndraft:marks.news.gwene.org.gwene.org.slashdot" "nndraft:marks.news.gwene.org" "nndraft:marks.news.eternal-september.org.comp.lang.lisp" "nndraft:marks.news.eternal-september.org" "nndraft:marks" "nndraft:archive" "nndraft:clearspring" "nndraft:drafts")



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Message #20 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:42:47 -0400

> * Sam Steingold <fqf <at> tah.bet> [2012-03-12 15:39:52 -0400]:
>
>
> in gnus-group-get-new-news-this-group
> (gnus-group-process-prefix n)
> returns
>
> ("nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.sysutils.autoconf.general"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.devel"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.general"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lang.r.general"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.nxml.general"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.common-lisp.implementation-hackers"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.java.beanshell.user"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.gnu.libtool.general"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.steel-bank.announce"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.announce"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.user"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.mathematics.pari.user"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.apps"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.bbdb.user"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.mercurial.general"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.misc"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.cl-pro"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.devel"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.git"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.help"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.devel"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gwene.org.gwene.org.slashdot"
> "nndraft:marks.news.gwene.org"
> "nndraft:marks.news.eternal-september.org.comp.lang.lisp"
> "nndraft:marks.news.eternal-september.org" "nndraft:marks"
> "nndraft:archive" "nndraft:clearspring" "nndraft:drafts")

... which is the value of `gnus-group-marked' at that moment.

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Message #23 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:49:16 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> gnus-activate-group("nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general"
> nil nil (nndraft ""))
>   gnus-group-get-new-news-this-group(nil t)
>   nndraft-update-unread-articles()

Hm.  Looking at the code, it looks like the problem might be that the
draft server thinks that it has all these bazillion "marks" groups, for
some reason or other.

If you eval `(nndraft-request-list)' and then look in the " *nnpd*"
buffer, are all those groups there?  And if so, can you look in
`nndraft-directory' and see whether all those odd directories are in
there?

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Message #26 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:13:31 -0400

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-14 00:49:16 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> gnus-activate-group("nndraft:marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general"
>> nil nil (nndraft ""))
>>   gnus-group-get-new-news-this-group(nil t)
>>   nndraft-update-unread-articles()
>
> Hm.  Looking at the code, it looks like the problem might be that the
> draft server thinks that it has all these bazillion "marks" groups, for
> some reason or other.
>
> If you eval `(nndraft-request-list)' and then look in the " *nnpd*"
> buffer, are all those groups there?  And if so, can you look in


yes:

marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.ess.general 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lib.gnulib.bugs 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.sysutils.autoconf.general 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.devel 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.general 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.lang.r.general 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.nxml.general 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.common-lisp.implementation-hackers 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.java.beanshell.user 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.gnu.libtool.general 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.steel-bank.announce 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.announce 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.user 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.mathematics.pari.user 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.apps 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.bbdb.user 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.mercurial.general 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.text.docbook.misc 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.cl-pro 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.lisp.clisp.devel 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.comp.version-control.git 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.help 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org.gmane.emacs.jdee.devel 0 1 y
marks.news.gmane.org 0 1 y
marks.news.gwene.org.gwene.org.slashdot 0 1 y
marks.news.gwene.org 0 1 y
marks.news.eternal-september.org.comp.lang.lisp 0 1 y
marks.news.eternal-september.org 0 1 y
marks 0 1 y
archive 0 1 y
clearspring 0 1 y
drafts 0 1 y


> `nndraft-directory' and see whether all those odd directories are in
> there?

nndraft-directory
"/home/sds/Mail/"
yes:
marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mathematics.pari.user
et al

very ugly!
are these directories really necessary?
each one contains just the .marks file - it seems like all this could
live in just a single top-level file...

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Message #29 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:33:46 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> `nndraft-directory' and see whether all those odd directories are in
>> there?
>
> nndraft-directory
> "/home/sds/Mail/"
> yes:
> marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mathematics.pari.user
> et al
>
> very ugly!
> are these directories really necessary?

Nope.

> each one contains just the .marks file - it seems like all this could
> live in just a single top-level file...

Yup.  And that file is called ~/.newsrc.eld.  :-)

No Gnus defaults to not using the external marks stuff, and Ma Gnus
removes the code completely.

I have no idea how those directories were created, but if you just
remove them, this problem will probably go away.

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Message #32 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:10:43 -0400

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-14 16:33:46 +0100]:
>
> I have no idea how those directories were created, but if you just
> remove them, this problem will probably go away.

indeed. Thanks!

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Message #35 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:47:27 -0400

> * Sam Steingold <fqf <at> tah.bet> [2012-03-14 12:10:43 -0400]:
>
>> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-14 16:33:46 +0100]:
>>
>> I have no idea how those directories were created, but if you just
>> remove them, this problem will probably go away.
>
> indeed. Thanks!

yeah, for a time.
now the directories are back and with them the messages.
I have a lot of old messages marked so that I would be able to access
them easily. I already complained that this makes entering a group
_very_ slow; now I also have to contend with these marks/<group>
directories and messages

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Message #38 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:53:22 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> now the directories are back and with them the messages.
> I have a lot of old messages marked so that I would be able to access
> them easily. I already complained that this makes entering a group
> _very_ slow; now I also have to contend with these marks/<group>
> directories and messages

Does this mean that you've set `gnus-propagate-marks' to t?

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Message #41 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:56:09 -0400

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-14 21:53:22 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> now the directories are back and with them the messages.
>> I have a lot of old messages marked so that I would be able to access
>> them easily. I already complained that this makes entering a group
>> _very_ slow; now I also have to contend with these marks/<group>
>> directories and messages
>
> Does this mean that you've set `gnus-propagate-marks' to t?

nope, gnus-propagate-marks => nil

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Message #44 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:04:37 -0400

> * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2012-03-14 21:53:22 +0100]:
>
> Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> now the directories are back and with them the messages.
>> I have a lot of old messages marked so that I would be able to access
>> them easily. I already complained that this makes entering a group
>> _very_ slow; now I also have to contend with these marks/<group>
>> directories and messages
>
> Does this mean that you've set `gnus-propagate-marks' to t?

gnus-propagate-marks ==> nil
nntp-marks-is-evil ==> nil

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-error "Creating directory" "not a directory" "/home/sds/Mail/marks/news.gmane.org")
  make-directory-internal("/home/sds/Mail/marks/news.gmane.org")
  make-directory("/home/sds/Mail/marks/news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bbdb.user" t)
  nntp-possibly-create-directory("gmane.emacs.bbdb.user" "news.gmane.org")
  nntp-request-set-mark("gmane.emacs.bbdb.user" (((3069 3070) add (tick))) "news.gmane.org")
  gnus-request-set-mark("gmane.emacs.bbdb.user" (((3069 3070) add (tick))))
  gnus-update-marks()
  gnus-summary-update-info()
  gnus-summary-exit()
  call-interactively(gnus-summary-exit)
  gnus-article-read-summary-keys(nil)
  call-interactively(gnus-article-read-summary-keys nil nil)

do I need to put

(nntp-marks-is-evil t) (nntp-marks-directory nil)

into all my nntp select methods?
and, I guess, the same for nnimap-marks-is-evil?


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Message #47 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:20:06 -0400

> * Sam Steingold <fqf <at> tah.bet> [2012-03-14 17:04:37 -0400]:
>
> do I need to put
>
> (nntp-marks-is-evil t) (nntp-marks-directory nil)
>
> into all my nntp select methods?
> and, I guess, the same for nnimap-marks-is-evil?

... which is ugly - I would have to put the same two settings in a
handful of server methods...

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Message #50 received at 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: sds <at> gnu.org
Cc: 10961 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10961: weird messages on sending mail
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:36:39 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

>   gnus-request-set-mark("gmane.emacs.bbdb.user" (((3069 3070) add (tick))))
>   gnus-update-marks()

That shouldn't happen.  I've now committed a fix to No Gnus for this.

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