From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 05 05:09:55 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2012 10:09:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S4UrZ-0004C7-Uo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:09:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47101) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S4UrH-0004BX-VA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:09:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S4Uq8-0008RD-Up for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:08:48 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:56288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S4Uq8-0008R9-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:08:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45259) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S4Uq4-0001Dl-9t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:08:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S4Upy-0008Pc-Ta for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:08:19 -0500 Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:59443 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S4Upy-0008PI-Na for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:08:14 -0500 Received: (qmail 56792 invoked by uid 3782); 5 Mar 2012 10:08:13 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (pD951A032.dip.t-dialin.net [217.81.160.50]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:08:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 2883 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Mar 2012 10:07:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:07:26 +0000 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Can't search through help menu. Message-ID: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Hello, Emacs. With a recent bzr head: emacs -Q C-h ? ; brings up the help menu I now want to search through this menu for "ChangeLog": C-x ; intending C-x o The menu disappears. This isn't friendly. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). 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Best regards, Bartosz Duszel= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 04 11:52:29 2017 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2017 15:52:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6J3M-0002sY-Tu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 11:52:29 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:40858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6J3L-0002sJ-4S for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 11:52:27 -0400 Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v44FqIrT019681 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2017 15:52:19 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v44FqI5u017295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2017 15:52:18 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v44FqItK026814; Thu, 4 May 2017 15:52:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 08:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Bartosz Duszel , 10945@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > This one is pretty old but I wonder - is it a bug or not? Should we allow= to > enter window with help? No idea what this means. Maybe it's clear to someone else; dunno. Could you give a recipe to describe what you cannot do that you would like to do? Start with what it is that you mean by "help menu" - do you mean the menu-bar menu `Help'? If so, what do you mean by "search through" such a menu? 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[31.11.131.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 25sm511795lfu.52.2017.05.04.08.54.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 May 2017 08:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5CF28DD5-EFDC-4CF4-A768-17E31CCFB17A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. From: Bartosz Duszel X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 17:54:10 +0200 Message-Id: References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> To: Drew Adams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) --Apple-Mail=_5CF28DD5-EFDC-4CF4-A768-17E31CCFB17A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 4 May 2017, at 17:52, Drew Adams wrote: >=20 >> This one is pretty old but I wonder - is it a bug or not? Should we = allow to >> enter window with help? >=20 > No idea what this means. Maybe it's clear to someone else; dunno. >=20 > Could you give a recipe to describe what you cannot do that you > would like to do? Start with what it is that you mean by "help > menu" - do you mean the menu-bar menu `Help'? If so, what do you > mean by "search through" such a menu? Hmmm=E2=80=A6 I thought that if reply to this bug number it will somehow = present the thread history. Anyway - here is the bug report: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D10945 = = --Apple-Mail=_5CF28DD5-EFDC-4CF4-A768-17E31CCFB17A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On 4 May 2017, at 17:52, Drew = Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:

This one is pretty old = but I wonder - is it a bug or not? Should we allow to
enter = window with help?

No idea what = this means.  Maybe it's clear to someone else; dunno.

Could you give a recipe to describe what you = cannot do that you
would like to do?  Start with what = it is that you mean by "help
menu" - do you mean the = menu-bar menu `Help'?  If so, what do you
mean by = "search through" such a menu?

Hmmm=E2=80=A6 I thought that if reply to this = bug number it will somehow present the thread history.

Anyway - here is the bug = report:
https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D10945
=
= --Apple-Mail=_5CF28DD5-EFDC-4CF4-A768-17E31CCFB17A-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 04 11:57:58 2017 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2017 15:57:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54710 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6J8f-00030I-QZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 11:57:57 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:21227) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6J8e-000303-0z for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 11:57:56 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v44FvnE5020795 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2017 15:57:49 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v44FvmkV000897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2017 15:57:49 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v44FvmmD012288; Thu, 4 May 2017 15:57:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8df69b11-8555-47b4-ad67-6077629b0cf9@default> Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Bartosz Duszel Subject: RE: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > Hmmm=E2=80=A6 I thought that if reply to this bug number it will somehow = present > the thread history. >=20 > Anyway - here is the bug report: > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D10945 Very sorry; my bad. I thought this was a new bug report, and that your message was the whole bug report. Perhaps I thought that because the Subject line didn't say "RE:", for some reason. Sorry. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 04 12:05:30 2017 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2017 16:05:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6JFx-0003CC-Rw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 12:05:30 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:51973) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6JFv-0003Bz-RM for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 12:05:28 -0400 Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v44G5KRg008671 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2017 16:05:21 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v44G5KxX007201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2017 16:05:20 GMT Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v44G5JKE000475; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:05:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 09:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Bartosz Duszel Subject: RE: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Wrt the original bug report: 1. You can click mouse-1 in buffer `*Metahelp*' (the buffer you want to search). 2. I guess we could define a key in the local map (the value of `helped-map' from `make-help-screen') that would switch to that buffer. 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From: Bartosz Duszel X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 18:59:19 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <295C8275-A695-4551-A3D1-AB706D967CE5@gmail.com> References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> To: Drew Adams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) > On 4 May 2017, at 18:05, Drew Adams wrote: >=20 > Wrt the original bug report: >=20 > 1. You can click mouse-1 in buffer `*Metahelp*' (the buffer you want > to search). >=20 > 2. I guess we could define a key in the local map (the value of > `helped-map' from `make-help-screen') that would switch to that > buffer. No problem, I will try to do that. It shouldn=E2=80=99t be too = complicated and I am pretty new here. :) Best regards, Bartosz Duszel= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 04 14:10:54 2017 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2017 18:10:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54800 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6LDK-0001Fe-Mj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 14:10:54 -0400 Received: from mail-lf0-f65.google.com ([209.85.215.65]:36671) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6LDJ-0001FQ-KM for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 14:10:54 -0400 Received: by mail-lf0-f65.google.com with SMTP id h4so2015584lfj.3 for <10945@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 04 May 2017 11:10:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=rvxKkhMl6mgw8bnIXqPYDjlMzyBxw/70lOtP+ky0G+c=; b=aVa2oxl2i6Za7khGdMzX4k5DkLEEWSTf+c8CkRMHSiCsf1DBzQmD83QUole7QNLeDs 8pwo2QdZMVkB2+JJeTBrAFqmbO3FE5eSAr0dMy14b9i7yL1sCoKMa7b7ONx2yxPyPH7/ xlv7BAc49rRjSGQ1zUzMAO0ITJ/JKIbuS0ldQN1qVlYIuYxTsZrKwXu+HE7/wREQ38je C1xeIHNWfOAW1k15WEATzd7L9Ko1LdH9U4JcHWgdyBM1sc1tEYvnfdhJjyvZS8G/uawq OD8/2rcXi29eN+O/CSsTB20VQGeWRNf6u5mwEH/1eUU1TnNmE+F/zdhDFgo/SE5DWhid IGEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=rvxKkhMl6mgw8bnIXqPYDjlMzyBxw/70lOtP+ky0G+c=; b=NpJDb4ljxuSKIk5s03bG2ffKXz4sKEPU16Ne1utTCfW4PUCBhMYkzaU6CgFN3bGStU bqgk5KBd5hqaMEHZT4y2WV/vnjgQCC4lKe+MyuuYPTZ6N7DmmMzc/eK7FA1zg0KVwR8v lAQ8CSGmr1iz8xmOiEiLFVFROnkafXXwtc27la2sJfR/jumSAnr0DATNBX2peU7OD0eE mgUlLCnx6nDuNBqZzIes4HM6VBetT1u65vBKZZnsoUQwUrW2D7qva01rcHOc6+ePtq8m AYwfTo8z9xm5IsgfaFQffBfpQBzb6aOubokPsgkvAnfZ0gXpnIfXgvMas0K3x3oy9eEt YVvg== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/49A0OEMbgNpBuC42ltQhqVOdkbKAw+ZLRXUAo+KTOTO0YSeVwF +V0NmIhRx7GRXA== X-Received: by 10.46.69.66 with SMTP id s63mr15747972lja.88.1493921447629; Thu, 04 May 2017 11:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (031011131059.dynamic-zab-06.vectranet.pl. [31.11.131.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u15sm569418lfg.28.2017.05.04.11.10.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 May 2017 11:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. From: Bartosz Duszel X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <295C8275-A695-4551-A3D1-AB706D967CE5@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 20:10:45 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> <295C8275-A695-4551-A3D1-AB706D967CE5@gmail.com> To: Drew Adams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) > On 4 May 2017, at 18:59, Bartosz Duszel wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On 4 May 2017, at 18:05, Drew Adams wrote: >>=20 >> Wrt the original bug report: >>=20 >> 1. You can click mouse-1 in buffer `*Metahelp*' (the buffer you want >> to search). >>=20 >> 2. I guess we could define a key in the local map (the value of >> `helped-map' from `make-help-screen') that would switch to that >> buffer. >=20 > No problem, I will try to do that. It shouldn=E2=80=99t be too = complicated and I am pretty > new here. :) >=20 > Best regards, > Bartosz Duszel After some more thinking I am not sure if this is the best approach. 1. After clicking mouse-1 in buffer `*Metahelp*=E2=80=99 you can easily = search in this buffer but all the mapped keys doesn=E2=80=99t work at this point. You need to look = for what you need in the buffer and run C-h ? once again. 2. Author of the bug highlighted that the current behaviour is not = friendly. I am also not sure if adding another key just for changing the window is a good solution. At this point I do not know how we should handle this case.= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 04 22:47:04 2017 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2017 02:47:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55092 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6TGp-0001rH-PE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 22:47:03 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f68.google.com ([209.85.214.68]:34442) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6TGn-0001qd-Iu; Thu, 04 May 2017 22:47:01 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f68.google.com with SMTP id c26so3764135itd.1; Thu, 04 May 2017 19:47:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=29JLxWRjmHvmSupetVRblzJWhV5jOpTpm365QDdjbtg=; b=Jzw5VfzWJK+Jh1yxHd5srfOcyJEupQojc9vlfD8T1NrPxaPLIXQd+lDjMa+B8+k3X7 p3ZLQfd5C34pGhnVqv7RESqekCc5qLaC4UcWFKWCs77Ob72oAGcdYtz6A6PRfC8turuZ W4BNO3bWp3sp1f5G3U5LrsK8G2VbqbJTMtACIm9T2mugHulz5+zhS7F19ZIpLvMRERHm ZlnuQlXRPiv/l1XMCKM4xQUlg8uNttgys8SJ826IkU0dfTQLL93+1QHVWpNA/3Nx7JBj W//p6nzLJ3JpiEDHlj71U7uH06/JRBjDh+HO/23SdXOoRY0/u04IrddB4u5iBlsM9xO4 NpQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=29JLxWRjmHvmSupetVRblzJWhV5jOpTpm365QDdjbtg=; b=cuTCcWD8dkvHZhPjRRZbva5ONq9blfRx+vGYSATsTeI/W/wTvCS8vuTp47i3upurOm byb2ffpIEG6Ep9Th5Ot+uXNYrcoq5EVtYU/HQ8LMGJgDux/o+D+yYCfoeLZLF2Iqy4Yl QcdGFGjFFqqVrBxuS/qe4UA4Q/H36KCajWBlrxdbpewFbhZUvnLsp3leXSDiv3Pf4woI AAgBgIr95hcrpnI6Bvf5KXGLI857rcBBzdSSdivWde4P5ub+VqfUnd5COSbyzOtDh4Rw HVCb6g7RmtZE6MsBKSyi4bwOlc7XFTAUpPuAvQrMmtCLOiFauM5dX1oa9h5H5LeuOxie 6Ttg== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/5JVn5cqGscjoZ4EwXvMfgAujK6zvEWtRSppeaF8Ksia+JC/FDh 10Q/3zzExdudww== X-Received: by 10.36.44.13 with SMTP id i13mr5581013iti.34.1493952415816; Thu, 04 May 2017 19:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r141sm78563ita.2.2017.05.04.19.46.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 04 May 2017 19:46:54 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Bartosz Duszel Subject: Re: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> <295C8275-A695-4551-A3D1-AB706D967CE5@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 22:48:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Bartosz Duszel's message of "Thu, 4 May 2017 20:10:45 +0200") Message-ID: <87inlgm32c.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: 10945@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) severity 10945 wishlist quit Bartosz Duszel writes: >>> 1. You can click mouse-1 in buffer `*Metahelp*' (the buffer you want >>> to search). >>>=20 >>> 2. I guess we could define a key in the local map (the value of >>> `helped-map' from `make-help-screen') that would switch to that >>> buffer. > > After some more thinking I am not sure if this is the best approach. > > 1. After clicking mouse-1 in buffer `*Metahelp*=E2=80=99 you can easily s= earch in this buffer but > all the mapped keys doesn=E2=80=99t work at this point. You need to look = for what you need in the buffer > and run C-h ? once again. > > 2. Author of the bug highlighted that the current behaviour is not friend= ly. I am also not sure > if adding another key just for changing the window is a good solution. > > At this point I do not know how we should handle this case. IMO any key that isn't bound should fallback to its standard binding, and the keys should only apply when the focus is in the minibuffer, like other prompts (e.g., find-file). In terms of implementation, I think this would mean binding the map only in the minibuffer instead of using read-key-sequence. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 04 23:40:50 2017 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2017 03:40:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6U6s-0004rE-8v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 23:40:50 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:51780) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6U6r-0004qz-1x for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 May 2017 23:40:49 -0400 Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v453efWu002743 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2017 03:40:42 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v453efpu013750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2017 03:40:41 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v453ecpl014869; Fri, 5 May 2017 03:40:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6d453079-1256-42bd-b00a-331e74b9e938@default> Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 20:40:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, Bartosz Duszel Subject: RE: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> <295C8275-A695-4551-A3D1-AB706D967CE5@gmail.com> <87inlgm32c.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> In-Reply-To: <87inlgm32c.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6767.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > IMO any key that isn't bound should fallback to its standard binding, > and the keys should only apply when the focus is in the minibuffer, like > other prompts (e.g., find-file). >=20 > In terms of implementation, I think this would mean binding the map > only in the minibuffer instead of using read-key-sequence. I don't have time to check now, but I think that the minibuffer is not involved here at all. Instead, an event is read directly. IOW, this is more akin to `y-or-n-p': there is a prompt, but is not for reading input from the minibuffer. And the keymap used is a local one created by `help-for-help-internal', which is a function defined using `make-help-screen'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 05 08:10:57 2017 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2017 12:10:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55445 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6c4W-0002c3-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2017 08:10:57 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f66.google.com ([209.85.214.66]:32933) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d6c4V-0002bq-9L for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2017 08:10:55 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f66.google.com with SMTP id v135so453502itv.0 for <10945@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 05 May 2017 05:10:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=83GpBTxJETjGSudtdnHyW3JQHnmxJoLrWWZBdNt53ls=; b=c2Hj4nr0Nmo5nAtKxyx1f9wstivbgjYQwmjV1IiJWIS1X2JA02pofL/1pjgZYDOXJH 01hQNFYMwTY+WrW/yKxVCqpombz3OnIQyhjJc4QhPwHvxThiepn7jupasGRk/j566YaB JmJg3LSq13s60M0avr12kKoJpnuyOY5aXQQCTTiAJ7ezc8c2AQULspGAdG8R4vjDKd4D +Ab0yvWiHXb76O9ta9jgJzv/FKF4OcVOg28lKl/0Jn5deKwmtxOC639rB4wzLI5NvqVW MS5RTGZgLD5DGnIOV6DUCIWjGjxFwrB6STs6BSESwzXVeZ5aFSzHOeAVJQgSza2Bq8+4 HU/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=83GpBTxJETjGSudtdnHyW3JQHnmxJoLrWWZBdNt53ls=; b=jYB40raIFTWwB1KSBMH184q1AfN2ocJDrhghDRsO0unpyAdH936SWCJvIpw/yEpfEB QipZhNotifC9y3JEAvVu/PTAh1PfcjE0AsA84EQ4WHdISkkKp/0/yTxPGyUDbYR+WDzu AKco1uJcf/D3WpWym4uNXcsi/WcGFpqPWPr8jd3ktNRcu80p3LZS492sFs3wJqf6Hcmm 3FTQy9f7E9tQXg5x4GjQMHgNlKehcKCA8tnrov3f9Dib6MTWkiq/Saj6i+4I+GEw8cUs Hc6g60Osj81ou4h5gnhZWZiFspvEBLlibgXmlfCtC9dUQTgmn4QpeZUnr8zp+xhFcD6Z qbJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/6yDZDXEeNV2z7TkBuplnutzXxHfpHNDX8QSBLJYXmf342AvyxI 11FuzwQ++59mdA== X-Received: by 10.36.9.5 with SMTP id 5mr7616893itm.86.1493986249719; Fri, 05 May 2017 05:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zony ([45.2.7.65]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x35sm867339ita.16.2017.05.05.05.10.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 05 May 2017 05:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <3A39EF1E-2B7A-42B8-99CF-B1BB54CD94B0@gmail.com> <0d03e4b4-a581-4137-994f-42f45f506f72@default> <295C8275-A695-4551-A3D1-AB706D967CE5@gmail.com> <87inlgm32c.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <6d453079-1256-42bd-b00a-331e74b9e938@default> Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 08:12:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6d453079-1256-42bd-b00a-331e74b9e938@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 4 May 2017 20:40:37 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87fugjmriy.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: Bartosz Duszel , 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> IMO any key that isn't bound should fallback to its standard binding, >> and the keys should only apply when the focus is in the minibuffer, like >> other prompts (e.g., find-file). >> >> In terms of implementation, I think this would mean binding the map >> only in the minibuffer instead of using read-key-sequence. > > I don't have time to check now, but I think that the minibuffer > is not involved here at all. Instead, an event is read directly. Yes, I'm suggesting to change that. > IOW, this is more akin to `y-or-n-p': there is a prompt, but is > not for reading input from the minibuffer. > And the keymap used is a local one created by > `help-for-help-internal', which is a function defined > using `make-help-screen'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 01 18:25:08 2019 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 22:25:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57417 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQfLv-0002Yj-FN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 18:25:08 -0400 Received: from host.gofardesign.uk ([208.79.239.190]:59371) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQfLq-0002Y0-Ki for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 18:25:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cOP9VtCvRQzLADA7h20pLnf/2q/0Xr+Ni+THoQL1L4E=; b=Ygo+whl/mW17iezwJuix2uXseV npYHLD2LLAJeXUZQJzUlRnmQO+xplspAc/LUXtK/4T9jw+nSvxhIYLWYL/KRSnnclx9u0EXbQZiYA NrXFuxDOeX704YML30kkx8yJOWDhwBiMz7DjAyR1p73au81grs6B83JY7RsBXsfo/I3Y=; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:36702 helo=localhost) by host.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iQfLg-0002Ml-QN; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:24:56 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Alan Mackenzie Subject: Re: Can't search through help menu. In-Reply-To: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:07:26 +0000") References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:24:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87v9s3w7ym.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: host.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Alan Mackenzie writes: > Hello, Emacs. > > With a recent bzr head: > > emacs -Q > C-h ? ; brings up the help menu > > I now want to search through this menu for "ChangeLog": > > C-x ; intending C-x o > > The menu disappears. This isn't friendly. We can now search that window using `C-h ? C-s', and it switches to the *Metahelp* window. This functionality was added in this comit: 956c39d11d 2018-04-02 Make help-for-help window searchable (Bug#19655) `C-h C-x o' still doesn't work, though. Is that good enough here? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 13 16:49:35 2019 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Nov 2019 21:49:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60249 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0W7-0007nu-6S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:49:35 -0500 Received: from azure.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.7]:11106) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iV0W2-0007ni-6R for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 16:49:30 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142E221E46; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-14-250.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.14.250]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8FE7E21DB0; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:49:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:49:29 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Chief-Callous: 1e822a0950187ca5_1573681768822_582977387 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1573681768822:217478340 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1573681768822 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753A085224; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 13:49:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=kgRMQDDDiaY3xG01sj5UqhhMuCc=; b= 1wIYqhGSMdiLbRlEvXatyheFpVc6U7w12/gc6CTbC9jRuKPGjqQmi86azdWHwQUN 43CjlaFXYMu4KCaYWG0PLPZLjtfEfARwpHYUIWXbywYmxT3pJxxLaH7Wnlg14sc0 UoN0IGp5fffELruwDquMgnqBDiZrmrFCVSuijBmRa7U= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-102-1.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a44.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA4B48522A; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 13:49:19 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a44 From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <87v9s3w7ym.fsf@marxist.se> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 22:56:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87v9s3w7ym.fsf@marxist.se> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:24:49 +0100") Message-ID: <87o8xfo66x.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: Alan Mackenzie , 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> emacs -Q >> C-h ? ; brings up the help menu >> >> I now want to search through this menu for "ChangeLog": >> >> C-x ; intending C-x o >> >> The menu disappears. This isn't friendly. > > We can now search that window using `C-h ? C-s', and it switches to > the *Metahelp* window. This functionality was added in this comit: > > 956c39d11d 2018-04-02 Make help-for-help window searchable (Bug#19655) > > `C-h C-x o' still doesn't work, though. > > Is that good enough here? Maybe help-for-help should use the minibuffer for reading commands instead of using explicit read-key-sequence? This would allow switching to the *Metahelp* window with 'C-x o'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 14 13:24:53 2019 Received: (at 10945) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2019 18:24:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35224 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iVJnZ-0007VX-5A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:24:53 -0500 Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:64842 helo=mail.muc.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iVJnX-0007VO-6X for 10945@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 13:24:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 13251 invoked by uid 3782); 14 Nov 2019 18:24:49 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (p4FE1564A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.225.86.74]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 19:24:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 4301 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Nov 2019 18:24:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:24:45 +0000 To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. Message-ID: <20191114182445.GA4297@ACM> References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <87v9s3w7ym.fsf@marxist.se> <87o8xfo66x.fsf@mail.linkov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87o8xfo66x.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: Stefan Kangas , 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, Juri. On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 22:56:30 +0200, Juri Linkov wrote: > >> emacs -Q > >> C-h ? ; brings up the help menu > >> I now want to search through this menu for "ChangeLog": > >> C-x ; intending C-x o > >> The menu disappears. This isn't friendly. > > We can now search that window using `C-h ? C-s', and it switches to > > the *Metahelp* window. This functionality was added in this comit: > > 956c39d11d 2018-04-02 Make help-for-help window searchable (Bug#19655) > > `C-h C-x o' still doesn't work, though. > > Is that good enough here? > Maybe help-for-help should use the minibuffer for reading commands > instead of using explicit read-key-sequence? This would allow > switching to the *Metahelp* window with 'C-x o'. This sounds like an excellent idea. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). 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Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <87v9s3w7ym.fsf@marxist.se> <87o8xfo66x.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20191114182445.GA4297@ACM> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:18:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20191114182445.GA4297@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:24:45 +0000") Message-ID: <87o8x8vq7r.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945 Cc: Stefan Kangas , 10945@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> >> emacs -Q >> >> C-h ? ; brings up the help menu > >> >> I now want to search through this menu for "ChangeLog": > >> >> C-x ; intending C-x o > >> >> The menu disappears. This isn't friendly. > >> > We can now search that window using `C-h ? C-s', and it switches to >> > the *Metahelp* window. This functionality was added in this comit: > >> > 956c39d11d 2018-04-02 Make help-for-help window searchable (Bug#19655) > >> > `C-h C-x o' still doesn't work, though. > >> > Is that good enough here? > >> Maybe help-for-help should use the minibuffer for reading commands >> instead of using explicit read-key-sequence? This would allow >> switching to the *Metahelp* window with 'C-x o'. > > This sounds like an excellent idea. I tried, but the major problem is how to create a wrapper around commands in 'help-map' to exit the minibuffer before running them. For example, evaluating: (read-from-minibuffer "C-h (Type ? for further options)- " nil help-map) then typing one of the help character, doesn't exit the minibuffer. Some additional layer of indirection could exit the minibuffer before running the command, but currently I have no idea how to do this. PS: Also isearch-help-for-help can't use the minibuffer to read help keys while isearch-mode is enabled, but this is a minor obstacle. 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To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945-done Cc: Alan Mackenzie , 10945-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Juri Linkov writes: >>> >> emacs -Q >>> >> C-h ? ; brings up the help menu >> >>> >> I now want to search through this menu for "ChangeLog": >> >>> >> C-x ; intending C-x o >> >>> >> The menu disappears. This isn't friendly. >> >>> > We can now search that window using `C-h ? C-s', and it switches to >>> > the *Metahelp* window. This functionality was added in this comit: >> >>> > 956c39d11d 2018-04-02 Make help-for-help window searchable (Bug#19655) >> >>> > `C-h C-x o' still doesn't work, though. >> >>> > Is that good enough here? >> >>> Maybe help-for-help should use the minibuffer for reading commands >>> instead of using explicit read-key-sequence? This would allow >>> switching to the *Metahelp* window with 'C-x o'. >> >> This sounds like an excellent idea. > > I tried, but the major problem is how to create a wrapper around > commands in 'help-map' to exit the minibuffer before running them. > For example, evaluating: > > (read-from-minibuffer "C-h (Type ? for further options)- " nil help-map) > > then typing one of the help character, doesn't exit the minibuffer. > Some additional layer of indirection could exit the minibuffer > before running the command, but currently I have no idea how to do this. > > PS: Also isearch-help-for-help can't use the minibuffer to read help keys > while isearch-mode is enabled, but this is a minor obstacle. Thanks for looking into that. The issue seems orthogonal to this bug report though, so I will close this for now. Feel free to open a new bug report if you think we should continue looking into that part. One observation is that you can now land in the " *Metahelp*" buffer by saying "C-h C-h C-s emacs RET", which lands point in it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 23 14:37:04 2021 Received: (at 10945-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2021 18:37:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37269 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meLt9-0008UB-N3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:37:03 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:44997) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meLsx-0008SS-IE for 10945-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:36:52 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E60FB40003; Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:36:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#10945: Can't search through help menu. Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <20120305100726.GB2824@acm.acm> <87v9s3w7ym.fsf@marxist.se> <87o8xfo66x.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20191114182445.GA4297@ACM> <87o8x8vq7r.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 21:23:19 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:49:04 -0700") Message-ID: <878ryjbqpk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10945-done Cc: Alan Mackenzie , 10945-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > One observation is that you can now land in the " *Metahelp*" buffer by > saying "C-h C-h C-s emacs RET", which lands point in it. When I need to get point into the *Metahelp* buffer, I just click the mouse anywhere in this buffer. From unknown Wed Sep 10 02:59:24 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator