From unknown Fri Sep 12 09:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 10929 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 10929@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.133070717027211 (code B ref -1); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:53:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2012 16:52:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vij-00074Q-29 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:52:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56819) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3ViV-000740-Tm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:52:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vhq-0002R6-Vd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:56 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:49463) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vhq-0002Qp-SX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45522) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vho-0002xY-CF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VhR-0002M7-2Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:43 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:29896) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VhQ-0002Lr-SG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:20 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q22GpF4R011263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:51:16 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q22GpEp2015944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:51:15 GMT Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q22GpEtU002712 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:51:14 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.43.213) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:51:14 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:51:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acz4lKr5ff3iXzDOSBKlOkY00WjCrQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4F50FA84.015B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) I don't claim this is a bug - you decide. emacs -Q C-h f psetq ;; Not recognized M-x load-library cl RET C-h f psetq ;; says it is autoloaded This is likely true of other such macros as well. In GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-02-26 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' From unknown Fri Sep 12 09:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Lawrence Mitchell Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10929 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 10929@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.133070759327850 (code B ref -1); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:00:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2012 16:59:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vph-0007Ez-6g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60144) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VpU-0007Ea-WF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vot-0003fL-Eu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:09 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:52761) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vot-0003fH-BW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vor-0004RE-NK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vop-0003er-Ls for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:01 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:40340) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vop-0003ee-FM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:58:59 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vol-0006Nv-5c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:58:55 +0100 Received: from e4300lm.epcc.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.63.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:58:55 +0100 Received: from wence by e4300lm.epcc.ed.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:58:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Lawrence Mitchell Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:58:46 +0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <878vjj2b3t.fsf@gmx.li> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: e4300lm.epcc.ed.ac.uk User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dvvXTnblc/8oblT+DSOxPBZUxhA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Drew Adams wrote: > I don't claim this is a bug - you decide. not-a-bug, as below. > emacs -Q > C-h f psetq ;; Not recognized CL symbols aren't exposed in emacs -Q without loading cl > M-x load-library cl RET > C-h f psetq ;; says it is autoloaded That's cos it is. The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in cl-loaddefs.el. When you load cl.el it loads cl-loaddefs.el autoloading additional names without loading the files immediately. Lawrence -- Lawrence Mitchell From unknown Fri Sep 12 09:19:11 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10929 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Lawrence Mitchell'" , <10929@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 10929-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10929.133070804928544 (code B ref 10929); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 10929) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2012 17:07:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vx1-0007QA-H6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:07:28 -0500 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:47486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vwo-0007PV-WB for 10929@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:07:16 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q22H6fO2023030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:06:42 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q22H6eYH014053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:06:41 GMT Received: from abhmt109.oracle.com (abhmt109.oracle.com [141.146.116.61]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q22H6eFC031451; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:06:40 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.43.213) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:06:40 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <878vjj2b3t.fsf@gmx.li> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:06:35 -0800 Message-ID: <16830A0626EC45A3802C0558965B1791@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <878vjj2b3t.fsf@gmx.li> Thread-Index: Acz4lffpzmKBCn2WTsulWjsq0u8e4gAAGKQw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4F50FE23.0004,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in > cl-loaddefs.el. When you load cl.el it loads > cl-loaddefs.el autoloading additional names without > loading the files immediately. Yes, I know all that. But thanks anyway - I probably wasn't clear enough. My question really is, I guess, whether users should be able to get help about such macros without first loading cl.el. Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes. One of them helps Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 30 14:06:28 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 18:06:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnHv-0007FJ-QM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:28 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35129 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnHu-0007FD-Sx for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:27 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnGS-00004s-JX for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:04:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:04:56 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 10929 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) tag 10929 wontfix From unknown Fri Sep 12 09:19:11 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#10929: closed (Re: bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q') Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 10929 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix Reply-To: 10929@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:07:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1338401224-27908-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1338401224-27908-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 10929@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 10929: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D10929 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1338401224-27908-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 10929-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2012 18:06:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50686 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnHl-0007Ey-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:17 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35125 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnHk-0007Es-HS for 10929-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:17 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SZnGG-0008Vn-Sn; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:04:44 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 10929-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' References: <878vjj2b3t.fsf@gmx.li> <16830A0626EC45A3802C0558965B1791@us.oracle.com> X-Spook: Mole Ceridian counter terrorism TELINT MILSATCOM IDEA X-Ran: H_>FeCDfFL6n-rzL(Eu$"7T(z4`YHuLfOxx"D@6syB*JHubGiW=^pZE8V{V3fqf\Z5lYpe X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:04:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <16830A0626EC45A3802C0558965B1791@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:06:35 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10929-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) > I don't claim this is a bug - you decide. It is not. > Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes. One of them > helps Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be. This is not what the cl autoloads are for (nor should any autoload be used for this purpose IMO). ------------=_1338401224-27908-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2012 16:52:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vij-00074Q-29 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:52:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56819) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3ViV-000740-Tm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:52:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vhq-0002R6-Vd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:56 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:49463) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vhq-0002Qp-SX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45522) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vho-0002xY-CF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VhR-0002M7-2Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:43 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:29896) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VhQ-0002Lr-SG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:51:20 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id q22GpF4R011263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:51:16 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q22GpEp2015944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:51:15 GMT Received: from abhmt114.oracle.com (abhmt114.oracle.com [141.146.116.66]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q22GpEtU002712 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:51:14 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.43.213) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 08:51:14 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:51:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acz4lKr5ff3iXzDOSBKlOkY00WjCrQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4F50FA84.015B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) I don't claim this is a bug - you decide. emacs -Q C-h f psetq ;; Not recognized M-x load-library cl RET C-h f psetq ;; says it is autoloaded This is likely true of other such macros as well. In GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-02-26 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include' ------------=_1338401224-27908-1--