GNU bug report logs - #10929
24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:51:09 -0800

I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.
 
emacs -Q
 
C-h f psetq    ;; Not recognized
 
M-x load-library cl RET
 
C-h f psetq    ;; says it is autoloaded
 
This is likely true of other such macros as well.
 

In GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2012-02-26 on MARVIN
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
Configured using:
 `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include
 -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include'
 

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From: Lawrence Mitchell <wence <at> gmx.li>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10929: 24.0.94;
	`psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:58:46 +0000

Drew Adams wrote:
> I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.

not-a-bug, as below.

> emacs -Q

> C-h f psetq    ;; Not recognized

CL symbols aren't exposed in emacs -Q without loading cl

> M-x load-library cl RET

> C-h f psetq    ;; says it is autoloaded

That's cos it is.  The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in
cl-loaddefs.el.  When you load cl.el it loads cl-loaddefs.el
autoloading additional names without loading the files
immediately.

Lawrence

-- 
Lawrence Mitchell <wence <at> gmx.li>

Message #11 received at 10929 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "'Lawrence Mitchell'" <wence <at> gmx.li>, <10929 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#10929: 24.0.94;
	`psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:06:35 -0800

> The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in
> cl-loaddefs.el.  When you load cl.el it loads
> cl-loaddefs.el autoloading additional names without
> loading the files immediately.

Yes, I know all that.  But thanks anyway - I probably wasn't clear enough.

My question really is, I guess, whether users should be able to get help about
such macros without first loading cl.el.

Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes.  One of them helps
Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be.

Message #18 received at 10929-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 10929-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#10929: 24.0.94;
	`psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:04:44 -0400

> I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.

It is not.

> Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes. One of them
> helps Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be.

This is not what the cl autoloads are for (nor should any autoload be
used for this purpose IMO).

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