From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 16 00:06:04 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2012 05:06:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42022 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RxtXb-0003Ey-U7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:06:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:49976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RxtXZ-0003Em-8s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:05:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RxtVl-0007Wq-5Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:04:06 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_BL, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:54626) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RxtVl-0007Wl-48 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:04:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59361) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RxtVj-0004JN-JV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:04:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RxtVi-0007W7-2j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:04:03 -0500 Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:49090) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RxtVh-0007Vv-Nl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:04:02 -0500 Received: by dadv6 with SMTP id v6so1735705dad.0 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:04:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=JeXBZVVR6Zz3N2H6MERkkMbZXy5jccBdNR71Am980K4=; b=DkcmWR/x8S21TG51JGtGjH9PZ9/UzFyXxv0bBhFZ8kzGETwTlY6eBqSzbf/jfassX8 9IDl83SLKJ6o0EOc5hBVUQiuBS/CmmZCowAHjpjT+YDOmlstXd4VQCECOMtI4j+4yj8r 3dc3GGxtHjd2OifgbQ8bXufJsGob96rUe21Hw= Received: by 10.68.129.105 with SMTP id nv9mr9935007pbb.30.1329368640761; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.241.125.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm1330638pbc.67.2012.02.15.21.03.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.93; Make `C-h d' reporting more consistent and usable Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:33:42 +0530 Message-ID: <81booznzdd.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) I find that C-h d gives me a fairly good coverage of a particular "feature" that I am trying to hunt down. Unfortunately for the amount of information that it prints, the navigation of the *Apropos* buffer is cumbersome. Let me explain with an explain. Down below is a snapshot of first few paragraphs when I do a C-h d apropos Here are a few things that I find noisome. These are documented in the text below. ---------------- apropos-read-pattern Function: Read an apropos pattern, either a word list or a regexp. <> (fn SUBJECT) ,---- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | By the time I reach here, I have almost forgotten what "fn" I am looking | at. I also find this style of reporting inconsisten with C-h v and C-h f | style of reporting where the function signature is on the top. `---- ---------------- ,---- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Can these separators be converted to page breaks? So that I can move | between the different blocks using page navigation commands. Doing a | incremental re-search for -----+ is painful particularly when some of | the listed commands that have docstring which have horizontal rules in | them. `---- apropos Command: Show all meaningful Lisp symbols whose names match PATTERN. <> (fn PATTERN &optional DO-ALL) ---------------- apropos-command Command: Show commands (interactively callable functions) that match PATTERN. ,----[ C-h v internal-doc-file-name RET ] | internal-doc-file-name is a variable defined in `C source code'. | Its value is "DOC-X" | | Documentation: | Name of file containing documentation strings of built-in symbols. | | [back] `---- ,---- | Can someone clarify what the file is and what qualifies as "built-in" | symbols. Does it include the "whole" of what ships with vanilla Emacs or | just a subset of it. I tried looking around in the info manual. I found | nothing much which could give me a sense of "coverage" of the reported | list. `---- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 16 08:50:18 2012 Received: (at 10823) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2012 13:50:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42369 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ry1iz-0000eD-QU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:50:18 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:39335) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ry1iy-0000e6-6b for 10823@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:50:17 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1GDmRmQ025500; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:48:27 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id EB1545929A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:48:26 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#10823: 24.0.93; Make `C-h d' reporting more consistent and usable Message-ID: References: <81booznzdd.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:48:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: <81booznzdd.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:33:42 +0530") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4133=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4133> : streams <729212> : uri <1066517> X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10823 Cc: 10823@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) > ---------------- > apropos-read-pattern > Function: Read an apropos pattern, either a word list or a regexp. > <> > (fn SUBJECT) > ,---- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > | By the time I reach here, I have almost forgotten what "fn" I am looking > | at. I also find this style of reporting inconsisten with C-h v and C-h f > | style of reporting where the function signature is on the top. > `---- It's a plain bug: when the "(fn FOO)" convention was added, the apropos code was not updated correspondingly. I.e. apropos needs to use help-split-fundoc. > ---------------- > ,---- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > | Can these separators be converted to page breaks? So that I can move > | between the different blocks using page navigation commands. Doing a There are many ways to do that. A trivial way is to set page-delimiter in those buffers to a regexp that matches those lines. > ,----[ C-h v internal-doc-file-name RET ] > | internal-doc-file-name is a variable defined in `C source code'. > | Its value is "DOC-X" > | > | Documentation: > | Name of file containing documentation strings of built-in symbols. > | > | [back] > `---- > ,---- > | Can someone clarify what the file is and what qualifies as "built-in" > | symbols. Does it include the "whole" of what ships with vanilla Emacs or > | just a subset of it. I tried looking around in the info manual. I found > | nothing much which could give me a sense of "coverage" of the reported > | list. > `---- I don't understand the connection between this question and the previous ones. Is there any? "built-in" here really means "included in the `emacs' binary", i.e. either defined in C or preloaded. But this is an internal variable which you shouldn't need to care about. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 14 23:35:34 2013 Received: (at 10823-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2013 04:35:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53248 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhB82-0000zs-0W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:35:34 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]:39588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhB80-0000ze-23 for 10823-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:35:32 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc8so3029907pbc.4 for <10823-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:35:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=34RliMuq46GYZpNAJ9q5wgb5qGmLaLD6QroaM995F1Y=; b=Lw5Pw2JBhVU3ZrhQqfjiU+bUSXwzAX+9/5caBt/0uwPNj9Zd+9Juucjp2RJf2uVFu/ E8NuRW5c+JLObTiXNWv5xGd0kRk7BumpJGoeUotHryyXlWcvi1eOC0uXCY60p2s9PY86 LFu28oIf09f0UF+36d89aqVaJjekUv+RdgZev417363lphhhkvknktrFoKx7Us7YnSSO +Dk3M3NyxxNwKwnbjJn44JspjwsLU2vSc9fR4zeH2XQ/QHUqLkbvvUeiD5TeBYJWVNlW PuQrR30KrwNncUrFjcrBCGbs50Hq/YS1SadNUELmoMFVbUdBQ6fvyOtEELVozpejhZOg rcHQ== X-Received: by 10.68.7.73 with SMTP id h9mr4985781pba.30.1384490126333; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.27.214]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ed3sm1409617pbc.6.2013.11.14.20.35.24 for <10823-done@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: 10823-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#10823: 24.0.93; Make `C-h d' reporting more consistent and usable References: <81booznzdd.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:05:11 +0530 In-Reply-To: <81booznzdd.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:33:42 +0530") Message-ID: <87k3gaqo3k.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10823-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) OP here. 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