From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 06:14:43 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 11:14:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58336 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruj0V-0007gZ-27 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:14:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ruj0S-0007gM-F3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:14:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuizP-0003B1-RR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:13:39 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:51556) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuizP-0003Ax-KE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:13:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50889) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuizL-0002Kf-Lm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:13:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuizK-0003AF-Fs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:13:31 -0500 Received: from mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ([134.147.64.30]:36848 helo=mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuizK-00039t-7I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 06:13:30 -0500 X-Queued: (qmail 23699 invoked by alias); 7 Feb 2012 11:13:27 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 23685 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2012 11:13:27 -0000 Received: from c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.64.5) by mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 11:13:27 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 29978 invoked by uid 281); 7 Feb 2012 11:13:27 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 89.245.110.47 (Pj9yBs7kPuTB3J372ZXWEw==@89.245.110.47) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 80) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.25/4.71. 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Processed in 0.029 secs); 07 Feb 2012 11:13:27 -0000 Received: from i59f56e2f.versanet.de (HELO escher.home) (Pj9yBs7kPuTB3J372ZXWEw==@89.245.110.47) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 11:13:27 -0000 Date: 7 Feb 2012 12:13:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> From: "Stephen Berman" To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) 1. emacs -Q with no ~/News directory. 2. I typed ` M-x gnus RET', then `y' at prompt "Continue?" after getting error 'news/nntp Name or service not known)' to proceed to empty Gnus group buffer. 3. Then I typed `C-x m' to open a buffer in Message mode, put a valid email address in the To: header line, type `C-c C-f C-b' to add a Bcc: header line and put a different valid email address in it, and completed the email (subject, text). 4. Then I typed `C-c C-c' to send the email, using smtp with an existing ~/.authinfo. => My mailbox received two copies of the email, both sent to the address in the To: header line. In both there is no Bcc: header line, and there was no email sent to the address in the Bcc: header line. I've tried this three times, same result. Of course, this used work. In GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (i686-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.7) of 2012-02-07 on escher Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11004000 Configured using: `configure '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'CFLAGS=-g'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=local locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 15:25:17 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 20:25:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59407 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RurbE-0006EF-OM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:25:16 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:55533) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RurbC-0006E7-6k for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:25:11 -0500 Received: from 93-41-188-50.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.188.50] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rura8-0003wp-Fp; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:24:04 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Stephen Berman" Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:24:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> (Stephen Berman's message of "7 Feb 2012 12:13:26 +0100") Message-ID: <87sjimtmsd.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Rura8-0003wp-Fp X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1329251044.84895@+oEvfy2M31hFzVkRp0hlUA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) "Stephen Berman" writes: > 1. emacs -Q with no ~/News directory. > 2. I typed ` M-x gnus RET', then `y' at prompt "Continue?" after > getting error 'news/nntp Name or service not known)' to proceed to empty > Gnus group buffer. > 3. Then I typed `C-x m' to open a buffer in Message mode, put a valid > email address in the To: header line, type `C-c C-f C-b' to add a Bcc: > header line and put a different valid email address in it, and completed > the email (subject, text). > 4. Then I typed `C-c C-c' to send the email, using smtp with an existing > ~/.authinfo. Do you have to start Gnus first to see this bug? Does "emacs -Q" and then `C-x m' also display this behaviour? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 15:43:37 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 20:43:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59423 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rursx-0007RG-SB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:43:36 -0500 Received: from mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ([134.147.64.30]:46907 helo=mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rursq-0007R1-Uu for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:43:30 -0500 X-Queued: (qmail 14974 invoked by alias); 7 Feb 2012 20:42:26 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 14961 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2012 20:42:26 -0000 Received: from c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.64.5) by mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 20:42:26 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 19780 invoked by uid 281); 7 Feb 2012 20:42:25 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 89.245.179.78 (Pj9yBs7kPuQipVe9hzSB6Q==@89.245.179.78) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 80) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.25/4.71. 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Processed in 0.020581 secs); 07 Feb 2012 20:42:25 -0000 Received: from i59f5b34e.versanet.de (HELO escher.home) (Pj9yBs7kPuQipVe9hzSB6Q==@89.245.179.78) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 20:42:25 -0000 Date: 7 Feb 2012 21:42:24 +0100 Message-ID: <8762fiml3j.fsf@escher.home> From: "Stephen Berman" To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> <87sjimtmsd.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87sjimtmsd.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:24:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:24:02 +0100 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > "Stephen Berman" writes: > >> 1. emacs -Q with no ~/News directory. >> 2. I typed ` M-x gnus RET', then `y' at prompt "Continue?" after >> getting error 'news/nntp Name or service not known)' to proceed to empty >> Gnus group buffer. >> 3. Then I typed `C-x m' to open a buffer in Message mode, put a valid >> email address in the To: header line, type `C-c C-f C-b' to add a Bcc: >> header line and put a different valid email address in it, and completed >> the email (subject, text). >> 4. Then I typed `C-c C-c' to send the email, using smtp with an existing >> ~/.authinfo. > > Do you have to start Gnus first to see this bug? No... > Does "emacs -Q" and > then `C-x m' also display this behaviour? ... Yes, it's exactly as in my OP. So it's not a Gnus but a Message mode bug. (Sorry for not thinking to test that; I always use Gnus for email in Emacs, so just assumed it was involved.) Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 15:53:35 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 20:53:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59432 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rus2h-0007g0-FC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:53:35 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51176) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rus2e-0007fo-PF for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:53:34 -0500 Received: from 93-41-188-50.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.188.50] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rus1Z-0004OA-3h; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:52:25 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Stephen Berman" Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> <87sjimtmsd.fsf@gnus.org> <8762fiml3j.fsf@escher.home> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:52:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8762fiml3j.fsf@escher.home> (Stephen Berman's message of "7 Feb 2012 21:42:24 +0100") Message-ID: <8739amtlh4.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Rus1Z-0004OA-3h X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1329252745.57006@mXHDeUhQmPf8rHdaBbeZNg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) "Stephen Berman" writes: > ... Yes, it's exactly as in my OP. So it's not a Gnus but a Message > mode bug. I've just tried this (emacs -Q, `C-x m', added a Bcc header), and the message seems to have been sent to both the To and the Bcc addresses. So I'm not able to reproduce this bug. This is with the current Emacs 24 trunk, but I don't think there's been any changes in this dept since 24.0.93. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 15:53:40 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 20:53:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59435 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rus2l-0007gH-RZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:53:40 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51185) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rus2j-0007gA-Ro for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:53:38 -0500 Received: from 93-41-188-50.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.188.50] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rus1i-0004Oe-MY for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:52:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:52:33 +0100 Message-Id: <871uq6tlgu.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #10751 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Rus1i-0004Oe-MY X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1329252754.99853@Tont+mRE9Nfq+u001Lc+AA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) tags 10751 unreproducible From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 16:03:06 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 21:03:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59454 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusBt-0000GR-Fq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:03:06 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:49901 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusBr-0000GL-Vn for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:03:04 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusAv-0007j4-9u; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:02:05 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: "Stephen Berman" Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> X-Spook: TWA Khaddafi Croatian sniper kilo class INS Mahmoud X-Ran: WDMF-aG&tk:THbWjPM]>E0jONk*}Ne|4_KU(hfM5QdB.CtDnjB$ (Stephen Berman's message of "7 Feb 2012 12:13:26 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) "Stephen Berman" wrote: > => My mailbox received two copies of the email, both sent to the address > in the To: header line. > In both there is no Bcc: header line That's the nature of BCC, no? >, and there was no email sent to the address in the Bcc: header line. Works for me. I don't supposed your bcc address somehow redirects to the To address? That would explain why you get two copies. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 16:11:35 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 21:11:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59462 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusJy-0000Se-2J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:11:34 -0500 Received: from mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ([134.147.64.30]:39555 helo=mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusJr-0000ST-Sz for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:11:24 -0500 X-Queued: (qmail 5590 invoked by alias); 7 Feb 2012 21:10:21 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 5577 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2012 21:10:21 -0000 Received: from c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.64.5) by mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 21:10:21 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 18938 invoked by uid 281); 7 Feb 2012 21:10:20 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 89.245.179.78 (Pj9yBs7kPuSZcLkHQuDTyg==@89.245.179.78) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 80) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.25/4.71. 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Processed in 0.03048 secs); 07 Feb 2012 21:10:20 -0000 Received: from i59f5b34e.versanet.de (HELO escher.home) (Pj9yBs7kPuSZcLkHQuDTyg==@89.245.179.78) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 21:10:20 -0000 Date: 7 Feb 2012 22:10:19 +0100 Message-ID: <871uq6mjt0.fsf@escher.home> From: "Stephen Berman" To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> <87sjimtmsd.fsf@gnus.org> <8762fiml3j.fsf@escher.home> <8739amtlh4.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8739amtlh4.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:52:23 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org, Stephen Berman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:52:23 +0100 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > "Stephen Berman" writes: > >> ... Yes, it's exactly as in my OP. So it's not a Gnus but a Message >> mode bug. > > I've just tried this (emacs -Q, `C-x m', added a Bcc header), and the > message seems to have been sent to both the To and the Bcc addresses. ????? Why are you in doubt? > So I'm not able to reproduce this bug. > > This is with the current Emacs 24 trunk, but I don't think there's been > any changes in this dept since 24.0.93. I tested with a build from Bzr-107164, this morning's trunk. Could this have something to do with the SMTP server? Though BCC worked with this server six months ago... Is there anything you can think of that I can try to debug this? Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 16:20:20 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 21:20:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59471 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusSZ-0000g2-2l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:20:20 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:35022) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusSW-0000ft-6g for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:20:17 -0500 Received: from 93-41-188-50.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.188.50] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusRT-0005Ep-QB; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:19:12 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Stephen Berman" Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> <87sjimtmsd.fsf@gnus.org> <8762fiml3j.fsf@escher.home> <8739amtlh4.fsf@gnus.org> <871uq6mjt0.fsf@escher.home> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:19:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871uq6mjt0.fsf@escher.home> (Stephen Berman's message of "7 Feb 2012 22:10:19 +0100") Message-ID: <87sjims5o2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RusRT-0005Ep-QB X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1329254352.29341@ho5mLA2LaBUMSGpmw63keg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) "Stephen Berman" writes: >> I've just tried this (emacs -Q, `C-x m', added a Bcc header), and the >> message seems to have been sent to both the To and the Bcc addresses. > ????? > Why are you in doubt? When am I ever not? > I tested with a build from Bzr-107164, this morning's trunk. Could this > have something to do with the SMTP server? Though BCC worked with this > server six months ago... Is there anything you can think of that I can > try to debug this? It's possible that your SMTP server is totally ignoring the address that smtpmail.el is telling it to send the email to, but that would be rather odd behaviour. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 16:23:13 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 21:23:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59476 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusVM-0000kH-Rr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:23:13 -0500 Received: from mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ([134.147.64.30]:38578 helo=mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RusVK-0000k9-Ps for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:23:12 -0500 X-Queued: (qmail 3034 invoked by alias); 7 Feb 2012 21:22:12 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 3007 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2012 21:22:12 -0000 Received: from c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.64.5) by mx6.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 21:22:12 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 31313 invoked by uid 281); 7 Feb 2012 21:22:12 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 89.245.179.78 (Pj9yBs7kPuSGuNNpo5oHRA==@89.245.179.78) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 80) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.25/4.71. 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Processed in 0.021821 secs); 07 Feb 2012 21:22:12 -0000 Received: from i59f5b34e.versanet.de (HELO escher.home) (Pj9yBs7kPuSGuNNpo5oHRA==@89.245.179.78) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 21:22:11 -0000 Date: 7 Feb 2012 22:22:11 +0100 Message-ID: <87wr7yl4os.fsf@escher.home> From: "Stephen Berman" To: "Glenn Morris" Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:02:05 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:02:05 -0500 Glenn Morris wrote: > "Stephen Berman" wrote: > >> => My mailbox received two copies of the email, both sent to the address >> in the To: header line. > >> In both there is no Bcc: header line > > That's the nature of BCC, no? Not with an email I sent from Gnus last July; this is how it looks (aside from the anonymization) in the Gnus Article buffer: From: Stephen Berman Subject: Bla bla To: Stephen.Berman@gmx.net Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:32:57 +0200 (29 weeks, 11 hours, 33 minutes ago) Bcc: xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxxxxxxx.xxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxxx.xxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxx.xxxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxxxxx.xxxxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxx.xxxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx, xxxx.xxxxxxxx@xxxx-xxx-xxxxxx.xx Is this wrong? In any case, this mail did arrive at the addresses in both the To: and the Bcc: header lines. >>, and there was no email sent to the address in the Bcc: header line. > > Works for me. > > I don't supposed your bcc address somehow redirects to the To address? > That would explain why you get two copies. No, I used addresses that do not have anything to do with each other. Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 16:29:49 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 21:29:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59485 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rusbk-0000tc-Th for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:29:49 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:50441 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rusbi-0000tV-SV for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:29:47 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rusam-0004gy-HK; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:28:48 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: "Stephen Berman" Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> <87wr7yl4os.fsf@escher.home> X-Spook: genetic PGP doctrine Crowell diwn oil dictionary MIT-LL X-Ran: "H#B/e)e(TK#-oklL\5v?GH!kG0SjhJDjE~Cwewp;|agt$'7Iqvg!13^:y-H4Bt-5g5{{/ X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:28:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87wr7yl4os.fsf@escher.home> (Stephen Berman's message of "7 Feb 2012 22:22:11 +0100") Message-ID: <1wzkcubaen.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) "Stephen Berman" wrote: >> That's the nature of BCC, no? > > Not with an email I sent from Gnus last July; this is how it looks > (aside from the anonymization) in the Gnus Article buffer: Maybe you are talking about a Gnus archived copy (GCC?), which may or may not preserve any BCC field, I don't know. But if you actually send a mail with a BCC header through any kind of mail system and the BCC is still visible at the other end when it arrives, then that's obviously a bug, because the whole point of BCC is that the recipients cannot see it. But having written that I looked it up and apparently there's no guarantee it will work that way. Everything I ever knew is wrong... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 16:48:20 2012 Received: (at 10751) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 21:48:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59516 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rustf-0001OL-HT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:48:20 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:58029) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rustd-0001OE-Rd for 10751@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:48:18 -0500 Received: from 93-41-188-50.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.188.50] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Russb-0005eI-RL; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:47:14 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> <87wr7yl4os.fsf@escher.home> <1wzkcubaen.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:47:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1wzkcubaen.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:28:48 -0500") Message-ID: <871uq6s4db.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Russb-0005eI-RL X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1329256034.07326@3mLdn0mqNzO19PvjL2E1xA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751 Cc: 10751@debbugs.gnu.org, Stephen Berman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > But having written that I looked it up and apparently there's no > guarantee it will work that way. That's the way all mail user agents I know of interpret the Bcc header. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 07 16:53:49 2012 Received: (at 10751-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2012 21:53:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59524 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rusyy-0001WT-7Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:53:49 -0500 Received: from mi.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ([134.147.64.33]:46548 helo=mx5.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rusyu-0001WI-Fn for 10751-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:53:46 -0500 X-Queued: (qmail 32137 invoked by alias); 7 Feb 2012 21:52:45 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 32124 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2012 21:52:45 -0000 Received: from c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.64.5) by mx5.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 21:52:45 -0000 X-Queued: (qmail 29725 invoked by uid 281); 7 Feb 2012 21:52:45 -0000 X-Qmailscanner: from 89.245.179.78 (Pj9yBs7kPuTUtP/KdWF0sg==@89.245.179.78) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (envelope-from , uid 80) with qmail-scanner-2.01 (sophie: 3.05/3.25/4.71. 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Processed in 0.019712 secs); 07 Feb 2012 21:52:45 -0000 Received: from i59f5b34e.versanet.de (HELO escher.home) (Pj9yBs7kPuTUtP/KdWF0sg==@89.245.179.78) by c2-3-4.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 7 Feb 2012 21:52:44 -0000 Date: 7 Feb 2012 22:52:44 +0100 Message-ID: <87sjiml39v.fsf@escher.home> From: "Stephen Berman" To: 10751-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#10751: 24.0.93; BCC in Gnus isn't working References: <87fwemnbft.fsf@escher.home> <87wr7yl4os.fsf@escher.home> <1wzkcubaen.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <1wzkcubaen.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:28:48 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10751-done Cc: Glenn Morris , Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:28:48 -0500 Glenn Morris wrote: > "Stephen Berman" wrote: > >>> That's the nature of BCC, no? >> >> Not with an email I sent from Gnus last July; this is how it looks >> (aside from the anonymization) in the Gnus Article buffer: > > Maybe you are talking about a Gnus archived copy (GCC?), which may or > may not preserve any BCC field, I don't know. D'oh. Of course you're right. Moreover, I just checked with another mail programm on the server of the address used in the Bcc: header line, and the emails I sent are there. I'm closing this bug. Sorry for the false alarm, and for the stupidity. (Maybe I can blame it on my current bout of sinusitis...) Steve Berman From unknown Tue Aug 19 07:28:20 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator