From unknown Fri Aug 22 01:03:59 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#10731 <10731@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#10731 <10731@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.93; ido-mode: C-j does not select buffer at head of list Reply-To: bug#10731 <10731@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2025 08:03:59 +0000 retitle 10731 24.0.93; ido-mode: C-j does not select buffer at head of list reassign 10731 emacs submitter 10731 Christoph Scholtes severity 10731 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 04 22:54:44 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2012 03:54:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54870 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RttBc-0004X3-3Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:54:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60831) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RttBa-0004Wp-1u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:54:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RttAn-0000Do-Oh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:53:54 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:53587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RttAn-0000Dk-N9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:53:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59933) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RttAm-0004Vy-EX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:53:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RttAk-0000DQ-Tf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:53:52 -0500 Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41]:40132) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RttAk-0000DL-HY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:53:50 -0500 Received: by yhoo22 with SMTP id o22so2479069yho.0 for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:53:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=Y+daHz741ZUTnikWpGdCuMKtkpmihW3g5SvBnFnPQdQ=; b=xaR2JSTxkQBldlWfraO7Fr65F9HflS113cHZtJ3ent26Q5NHZRpHoRLv9sUWoj6leu KZ9v7+Zt7AvsEJ9wh9d5wx+SgsDY0Ia70J1IexsrkRSv+j5+Iwz3PITU1nMLToIn/Oht 3zFAvwWGvxSBsZCfhiMJ905kBug7fYt6HXJZE= Received: by 10.236.186.98 with SMTP id v62mr18638605yhm.22.1328414027982; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from MARVIN (174-29-192-218.hlrn.qwest.net. [174.29.192.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm25282249and.3.2012.02.04.19.53.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:53:46 -0800 (PST) From: Christoph Scholtes To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.93; ido-mode: C-j does not select buffer at head of list User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (windows-nt) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:53:43 -0700 Message-ID: <86sjiqndfc.fsf@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) emacs -Q M-x ido-mode C-x b C-j I expected Emacs to show the *Messages* buffer upon issuing C-j. However, it just exited the minibuffer and still showed the *scratch* buffer. In this case, i.e. when the prompt is empty, I expected the same behavior from C-j as from the Enter key, i.e. selecting the buffer at the head of the list. The help for (ido-select-text) says: Select the buffer or file named by the prompt. Wouldn't that be the head of the list in the minibuffer in this case? 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) On 2012-02-05 11:53 +0800, Christoph Scholtes wrote: > emacs -Q > M-x ido-mode > C-x b > C-j > > I expected Emacs to show the *Messages* buffer upon issuing > C-j. However, it just exited the minibuffer and still showed the > *scratch* buffer. In this case, i.e. when the prompt is empty, I > expected the same behavior from C-j as from the Enter key, > i.e. selecting the buffer at the head of the list. I think this behaviour consistent i.e. not a bug. If you C-x C-f and then hit C-j it does not assume you want to open the file at the head instead it opens up dired i.e. the containing directory. Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 10 05:05:13 2012 Received: (at 10731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2012 10:05:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41959 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S6JAm-0000qP-Ma for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 05:05:12 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:48249) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S6JAl-0000qI-Cw for 10731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 05:05:12 -0500 Received: from bb116-14-103-36.singnet.com.sg ([116.14.103.36]:55773 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S6Ii2-0005kI-KR; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 04:35:31 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: Christoph Scholtes Subject: Re: bug#10731: 24.0.93; ido-mode: C-j does not select buffer at head of list References: <86sjiqndfc.fsf@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:35:23 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:22:48 +0800") Message-ID: <87399g23z8.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10731 Cc: Leo , 10731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Leo writes: > I think this behaviour consistent i.e. not a bug. > > If you C-x C-f and then hit C-j it does not assume you want to open > the file at the head instead it opens up dired i.e. the containing > directory. Christoph, any response? If not, I will close the bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 14 12:46:51 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Mar 2012 16:46:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50779 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7rLd-0003Pq-JN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:46:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51948) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S7pz3-0001Rd-DF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:19:27 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7pVp-00030e-HK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:49:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:41133) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7pVp-00030a-FB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:49:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50561) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7pVj-0000aH-B9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:49:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7pVh-0002w7-BB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:49:06 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S7pVh-0002tG-4I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:49:05 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S7pVf-0007cN-Bt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:49:03 +0100 Received: from cpc3-sgyl32-2-0-cust419.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com ([94.174.209.164]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:49:03 +0100 Received: from dbaltrus by cpc3-sgyl32-2-0-cust419.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:49:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Daumantas Baltrusaitis Subject: Re: bug#10731: =?utf-8?b?MjQuMC45MzsJaWRvLW1vZGU6?= C-j does not select buffer at head of list Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <86sjiqndfc.fsf@googlemail.com> <87399g23z8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 94.174.209.164 (Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_8) AppleWebKit/535.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/17.0.963.79 Safari/535.11) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:46:49 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Leo gmail.com> writes: > If you C-x C-f and then hit C-j it does not assume you want to > open the file at the head instead it opens up dired i.e. the > containing directory. While that is true, I believe that more relevant analogy is C-x b C-f with ido-mode disabled. It opens the buffer at head of list (default buffer). I generally expect C-j to be interchangeable with in most contexts since j is right under my index finger, thus easier to press than . Especially in tasks used as often as switching/killing buffers. I guess that is the main point. Even with C-x C-f C-j example C-j behaves like and that is the expected behavior. Daumantas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 15 00:58:45 2013 Received: (at 10731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Mar 2013 04:58:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGMj6-0000P1-19 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:58:45 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com ([209.85.160.49]:59935) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGMio-0000OX-Cz for 10731@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:58:35 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id xa12so3252655pbc.8 for <10731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:57:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:face:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=LrC13W+BM6Uj9RpuFVFf55YjPEayBQqodCPpIUGcaFY=; b=TA+w7psBt9xF/A7dgehfMAyKQBIogEGtYy+GihLk3s4/zbvOVZygBpEBdLp5oU+IkW vsY+m55HXCI1ZtDKrAwqkx3nLRpgVLsncqqkVG0GNHVGoAcldwglcV/IJ1eRqIHPqXlo ltSSbg2SgdiGn14Y4lljPZhRV9iUSTlB1nNqy7uwubAYOehZh49zx0j0m0iWKPeD1rUf 7YFUDCIB3Iwf5BlKl/6U/xM+T7N0S7d4jpdCAL0IcSLBS7ewQXv5VMZjJ0rAe/2uUSjB xTVXsssQHmP46tWRziCtMRvSVNUdizJ+/j0yUhSK5a3dB6SKfZXm48w4xxG3hTjbpPvQ nfvw== X-Received: by 10.68.218.166 with SMTP id ph6mr13084276pbc.33.1363323423400; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([182.48.109.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kl4sm6718323pbc.31.2013.03.14.21.57.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:57:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Liu To: Daumantas Baltrusaitis Subject: Re: bug#10731: 24.0.93; ido-mode: C-j does not select buffer at head of list References: <86sjiqndfc.fsf@googlemail.com> <87399g23z8.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoAgMAAADxkFD+AAAADFBMVEUvT09qWs3/pQD///+J kUVcAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMLOd3veKQA AACuSURBVBjTldE9CgIxEAXgB+lEyFUC2wo5ikdZ8DSypxhMY7H9VuIVwlqkGRgnm59VsHGafIQ3 CZlAtmKIRaHETgYa12lqvEsPYKf8wXHsPGfqPaUM0g9aJPKFXkmNQmSDqwzz4Fpgpz+6WAPY2z5o uPJJpu0uypcl4nyCibMLQ8lCiVjayLoQvw5LsVKQuHPRR958HZbOcVsKeepcLxpByjycGvnKmY+c MBvrtyjfe0vmuLvdq/kAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:56:53 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Daumantas Baltrusaitis's message of "Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:48:53 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10731 Cc: 10731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On 2012-03-14 22:48 +0800, Daumantas Baltrusaitis wrote: > While that is true, I believe that more relevant analogy is C-x b > C-f with ido-mode disabled. It opens the buffer at head of > list (default buffer). > > I generally expect C-j to be interchangeable with in most > contexts since j is right under my index finger, thus easier to > press than . Especially in tasks used as often as > switching/killing buffers. > > I guess that is the main point. Even with C-x C-f C-j example C-j > behaves like and that is the expected behavior. > > Daumantas C-j is the key to let you get away from choosing a default item. It is necessary (the only way) in a few cases. If you remap C-j to RET in ido mode you will realise why you need it. The subtle but clear difference between C-j and RET looks like a conscious decision from Kim. I'll let the maintainer decide whether to close this bug. Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 11 12:11:02 2013 Received: (at 10731-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2013 16:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48166 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UxJSP-0002ZZ-KV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:11:02 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-f182.google.com ([209.85.192.182]:64672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UxJSL-0002ZB-NF for 10731-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:10:58 -0400 Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id r10so7663503pdi.41 for <10731-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:10:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:face:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=PgyP/lDZup3d+t1KtYVzUy3BsvCfwxCQiX2/wlq/Zek=; b=o79BUiUXl3vyAij5mpFYJpUvyXiXkUQ5m/NONRNKG53/TWYS/ewtPSgCzTctIDAV+1 SopoA3TIAgCOmtd+FNlkcJFEFk7GhTOlTP5ZA8DwEKpeIHAX1Jk/5jUaM3mNd2zxMxGU gBuOHtgQDfGrfIy1g9opTAIMNMudi9u6aG1cAACqv4HJA5+XNFvcbZalH1D/+jdH17jr MZNa9aL5SLNNXpAPoJKB+2AFh+WsHFIKxOAEYf9iq/GvVs/owykkgTjFvD4hYebKZe0Q QGXvObANm205lDXZWI3M10lpz+lU0zqvSGn6YinSN/rh71YYYaaCD2oVJj42dSw2gFfs lv2Q== X-Received: by 10.66.246.106 with SMTP id xv10mr18783144pac.100.1373559051528; Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Zeuss-MacBook.local ([182.48.101.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sz6sm42990701pab.5.2013.07.11.09.10.49 for <10731-done@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Leo Liu To: 10731-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#10731: 24.0.93; ido-mode: C-j does not select buffer at head of list References: <86sjiqndfc.fsf@googlemail.com> <87399g23z8.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAGFBMVEUKDAg1NjRWV1V9fnyg op/DxcLk5uP8/voi63ReAAAACXBIWXMAAAWJAAAFiQFtaJ36AAAAB3RJTUUH1goZAgAz00bgXgAA AeVJREFUKM9lk0Fz2jAQhQXJD3CCO70CmcC1YMtcWyTZ14Bl69xats4N9r6/3zWQBlodNKNPu/s0 b1cCQFuZGpfVVh3vAvBJolIXRkapSuoRUtIdFyo1Y5xSdlAj7OtvD1XnXxmWRi+eWgcxyCed1lVV B1CrKyujMoi+eLA5kU1SsjoHlW+nQjTtFxk4MXgrOxvIqzoTZR8XgPaLl419zgsMaSGFPiUOZCIh thsx5Xy9NsK8Kwf/JoQgMxcVJ301HKkcSWaT0O7FY056J4U9xcYfnmVXG4801lW6lqwu2nKFZoHC HuzvaTVndZ+LaRQgZdthXw1cpynEkLEwyFHXk/aIxNQ6QeooJuzPMB+wn+D7JJNsiCcVA13/A3h/ xE9J+WidpAwoYNmRFwyvSRhNVtsdaAewzZZP5uw82QL9+tyNfocyP0McAzICUr5Mk9RdIjWasUNx aIIt6NK4ZtXIMdfMQt3nuMAyWbLI4DqZ4xPq/ag8jPond4XU/cLuOgw6XCFX/YCUfcDAMMH58fD4 G9kDchwfqVefkBwup2uZM+Q4WhJt5jN3AxXCsaS2yXEDuWgS8VOzW0gFjhEPmLyFMKBFaLb1HRwc DiaKwx0EeTMRYnYPQRW3PP4HApvlMv0PttX5v/D6Aws3IOSEwzmLAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 00:10:41 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:56:53 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (OS X 10.8.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10731-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: 10731@debbugs.gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Not a bug. 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