From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 30 11:44:16 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2012 16:44:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45431 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RruL1-0006fI-Qh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:44:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RruKz-0006f6-HG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:44:14 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RruKj-0007MN-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:43:58 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:50146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RruKj-0007MI-0V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:43:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42760) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RruKd-0003Nc-3B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:43:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RruKU-0007BA-S1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:43:51 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:51601) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RruKU-0007Aw-Lw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:43:42 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id q0UGhcGO030660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:43:39 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q0UGhcrk013821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:43:38 GMT Received: from abhmt115.oracle.com (abhmt115.oracle.com [141.146.116.67]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q0UGhc71009187 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:43:38 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:43:37 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.93; (elisp) Parsing Expressions - what about numerals? Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:43:37 -0800 Message-ID: <40400C0960134EB29BF157B8650FECC2@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AczfblAMe8fj1m3uRMmqO4ow6+H9AA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4F26C8BB.00B7,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) The doc says: "Basically, a sexp is either a balanced parenthetical grouping, a string, or a symbol name (a sequence of characters whose syntax is either word constituent or symbol constituent)." What about numerals? Seems like this "basically" definition of a sexp should be more exact or should cross-reference a more exact definition. A sexp is an important concept for Lisp - we should not be lax about making clear what we mean, especially in a section about parsing sexps. Dunno whether we even have a good definition of "sexp" anywhere in the Elisp manual. Trying `i' to see what's in the index shows no entry for just "sexp", and none of the index entries matching the substring "sexp" cry out "This section defines `sexp'". And `i' doesn't help at all with "s expression" or "s-expression" or "symbolic expression". Or for that matter "balanced expression", which seems to be what is used in this manual for what are typically called "symbolic expressions" (for which "sexp" is an abbreviation) in other Lisps, starting with McCarthy. (And why is it that we refer to them as "balanced expressions"?) The manual has a section on Lisp data types, and a section on their `Printed Representation' that also discusses their read syntax. But do we anywhere define "sexp"? We should. (Wrt the index, I think there should also be an entry for `sexp' as a custom type (node `Simple Types').) In GNU Emacs 24.0.93.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-01-29 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include --ldflags -LD:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/lib' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 31 01:52:20 2012 Received: (at 10657) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2012 06:52:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46210 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rs7Zj-0004Fc-PC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:52:20 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:41852 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rs7Zg-0004FT-HQ for 10657@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:52:17 -0500 Received: from [155.69.16.255] (port=15089 helo=furball) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rs7ZR-00059d-Gz; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:52:02 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#10657: 24.0.93; (elisp) Parsing Expressions - what about numerals? References: <40400C0960134EB29BF157B8650FECC2@us.oracle.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:51:54 +0800 In-Reply-To: <40400C0960134EB29BF157B8650FECC2@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:43:37 -0800") Message-ID: <878vko8iut.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10657 Cc: 10657@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) "Drew Adams" writes: > "Basically, a sexp is either a balanced parenthetical grouping, a > string, or a symbol name (a sequence of characters whose syntax is > either word constituent or symbol constituent)." > > What about numerals? A numeral is also a sequence of characters whose syntax is either word constituent or symbol constituent. I tweaked this to make the meaning more obvious. > And `i' doesn't help at all with "s expression" or "s-expression" or > "symbolic expression". Or for that matter "balanced expression", Fixed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 31 01:52:38 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2012 06:52:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46213 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rs7Zz-0004G4-Ir for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:52:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:41857 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rs7Zw-0004Fw-Fb for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:52:33 -0500 Received: from [155.69.16.255] (port=51970 helo=furball) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rs7Zh-0005C8-Ru for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:52:18 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 10657 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:52:07 +0800 Message-ID: <87bopk9xew.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) close 10657 thanks From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:10:54 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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