From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:30:48 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#1056 <1056@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#1056 <1056@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Filesets menu location Reply-To: bug#1056 <1056@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 17:30:48 +0000 retitle 1056 Filesets menu location reassign 1056 emacs submitter 1056 Dominic Dunlop , David Reitter severity 1056 wishlist thanks From david.reitter@gmail.com Tue Sep 30 04:13:20 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Sep 2008 11:13:20 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8UBDDFM026888 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:13:15 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:56181 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kkd88-0005lg-IK for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:11:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KkdAD-0007d7-Pq for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:13:12 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]:45731) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KkdAC-0007cP-N3 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:13:09 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z36so743359uge.17 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:13:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:subject :mime-version:date:references:x-mailer; bh=jE9fpbHyXceEmVPAXMIDdBHUVPlODZ4ytpttkqyUw10=; b=X0QWtEF2gU3xWQkuaEnNww5b+KJU3azBnOxSx5ZqahJHpAr9pQ4GMhbhF00O47GJOj 9Vr9GujpW6BGTGrN1z1raqHkezTRMN6Foxw2q1yjqoyb++3kEoZf6CTzU/vAPadrhZSL t8s5ZLiphpk6KyHjp0DkmGXNN8Xf1Mp9veulI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :subject:mime-version:date:references:x-mailer; b=CvUmqlexqWMsfww6w1l7ojAWmbdriKHcRmaW5LipvGgY/a05TKHFXOY+gp3XNDbztF I+gXZJGN86xqbhoiokGGIHa0L7SCpWbfMJ8L6g6fVJWDbUMFT5ibizHQZvZFl2PvGDdX i9Tulg0LmWgT2xs8k1LLyOvZt2ArylD6stLzo= Received: by 10.66.224.19 with SMTP id w19mr1403081ugg.72.1222773185835; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.3? (pool-68-162-142-85.pitt.east.verizon.net [68.162.142.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm1879647ugf.4.2008.09.30.04.13.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> From: David Reitter To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Dominic Dunlop , David Reitter Subject: Filesets menu location Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:13:00 -0400 References: <7B4954CC-93D5-4BBF-BD17-67E5C8F94063@computer.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Begin forwarded message: > From: Dominic Dunlop > Date: 30 September 2008 03:37:08 EDT > To: aquamacs-bugs@aquamacs.org > Subject: [Aquamacs-bugs] Filesets menu location > > Although the Filesets menu is nice to have (although I found it a bit > of a bear to set up), I find its position between the application and > file menus to be continually jarring. Apple's Human Interface Design > Guidelines ( /apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000356-TPXREF103 >> ) require that the first four menus, left to right, shall be Apple, > Application, File, Edit -- unless one or both of File and Edit is not > relevant, and so omitted. I cannot think of an application that > violates this order. Except Aquamacs, with the consequence that my > muscle memory moves the pointer to the wrong place when I want the > File or Edit menu. > > So, may I request that an option is provided to make Filesets a > submenu of the File menu? > > Thanks! > > In GNU Emacs 22.3.2 (powerpc-apple-darwin9.5.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0) > of 2008-09-22 on lucy - Aquamacs Distribution 1.5 > Windowing system distributor `Apple Inc.', version 10.5.5 > configured using `configure '--without-x' '--prefix=/usr/local'' > > Important settings: > value of $LC_ALL: nil > value of $LC_COLLATE: nil > value of $LC_CTYPE: en_GB.UTF-8 > value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil > value of $LC_MONETARY: nil > value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil > value of $LC_TIME: nil > value of $LANG: nil > locale-coding-system: utf-8 > default-enable-multibyte-characters: t > > Major mode: nXML > > Minor modes in effect: > savehist-mode: t > smart-frame-positioning-mode: t > global-visual-line-mode: t > visual-line-mode: t > shell-dirtrack-mode: t > recentf-mode: t > encoded-kbd-mode: t > osx-key-mode: t > show-paren-mode: t > delete-selection-mode: t > pc-selection-mode: t > cua-mode: t > tooltip-mode: t > mouse-wheel-mode: t > file-name-shadow-mode: t > global-font-lock-mode: t > font-lock-mode: t > blink-cursor-mode: t > unify-8859-on-encoding-mode: t > utf-translate-cjk-mode: t > auto-compression-mode: t > column-number-mode: t > line-number-mode: t > transient-mark-mode: t > > Recent input: > > > > C-t C-x C-s > > A-v C-x C-s C-x 5 f C-g > -bug-report> > > Recent messages: > Loading rng-cmpct...done > Loading rng-xsd...done > Using vacuous schema > Loading vc-svn...done > Loading vc...done > Wrote /ssh:ddunlop@cluster1a.uni.lu#8022:/home/clusterusers/ddunlop/ > Thesis/hpc-ga-bench/libacbea-0.1.0/config/chaos-sample.acbea > Mark set > Wrote /ssh:ddunlop@cluster1a.uni.lu#8022:/home/clusterusers/ddunlop/ > Thesis/hpc-ga-bench/libacbea-0.1.0/config/chaos-sample.acbea > Quit > Loading emacsbug...done > > Command line: (/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/ > Aquamacs Emacs) > > PATH: /sw/bin:/sw/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/ > usr/X11R6/bin:/Users/domo/bin:/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/sw/bin:/ > usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/Developer/ > Tools > > exec-path: (/sw/bin /sw/sbin /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/ > sbin /usr/X11R6/bin /Users/domo/bin /opt/local/bin /opt/local/sbin / > sw/ > bin /usr/local/bin /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin / > Developer/Tools /Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/ > libexec /Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin) > From drew.adams@oracle.com Tue Sep 30 07:16:56 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Sep 2008 14:16:56 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8UEGntW008121 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:16:50 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:48367 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kkfzo-0000dX-Ac for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:14:36 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kkg1t-0001o6-Sh for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:16:47 -0400 Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:25773) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kkg1r-0001mq-Te for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:16:45 -0400 Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.110]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id m8UEFeps006183; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:15:41 -0600 Received: from acsmt702.oracle.com (acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id m8UEFbTP007514; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:15:37 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.23.165.218) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:15:37 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Dominic Dunlop'" , "'David Reitter'" , <1056@debbugs.gnu.org>, References: <7B4954CC-93D5-4BBF-BD17-67E5C8F94063@computer.org> <792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> Subject: RE: bug#1056: Filesets menu location Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c92307$0b51e730$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acki8Ap595U27HdhSq6eypA2828u2wAFX5lw In-Reply-To: <792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 > > Although the Filesets menu is nice to have (although I > found it a bit > > of a bear to set up), I find its position between the > application and > > file menus to be continually jarring. Apple's Human Interface Design > > Guidelines > ( eptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGMenus/chapter_17_section_4.html#/ > > /apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000356-TPXREF103 > >> ) require that the first four menus, left to right, shall be Apple, > > Application, File, Edit -- unless one or both of File and > Edit is not > > relevant, and so omitted. I cannot think of an application that > > violates this order. Except Aquamacs, with the consequence that my > > muscle memory moves the pointer to the wrong place when I want the > > File or Edit menu. > > > > So, may I request that an option is provided to make Filesets a > > submenu of the File menu? > > > > Thanks! > > > > In GNU Emacs 22.3.2 (powerpc-apple-darwin9.5.0, Carbon > Version 1.6.0) > > of 2008-09-22 on lucy - Aquamacs Distribution 1.5 > > Windowing system distributor `Apple Inc.', version 10.5.5 > > configured using `configure '--without-x' '--prefix=/usr/local'' See bug #976 and my mail in that thread of 2008-09-18, where I mention the same thing: > 2. In the defcustom for `filesets-menu-path', '("files") > should be '("file"). > The GNU Emacs version uses nil as the default, which makes > `Filesets' a separate > menu-bar menu, but I think it makes more sense to do as you > have done: make it a submenu of the `File' menu. In addition, the default value of `filesets-menu-before' should be "Open File..." See this supplemental library that fixes some of this stuff. Turn it into a diff if you prefer: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/filesets%2b.el HTH. From rgm@gnu.org Tue Sep 30 09:17:48 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1056) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Sep 2008 16:17:49 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8UGHgq8005472 for <1056@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:17:44 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kkhsn-0001eS-1M; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:15:29 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Dominic Dunlop Cc: David Reitter , 1056@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1056: Filesets menu location References: <7B4954CC-93D5-4BBF-BD17-67E5C8F94063@computer.org> <792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> X-Spook: JSOFC3IP computer terrorism BLU-114/B Jiang Zemin David X-Ran: =Vy_JmdIP=l\0Ue^v-:V"5[md,GY}0!g$ha"cJsLB+@Ar$@j``s&wwgE|s5]f{LJ (David Reitter's message of "Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:13:00 -0400") Message-ID: <00zllp1ufz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> From: Dominic Dunlop [...] >> Although the Filesets menu is nice to have (although I found it a >> bit of a bear to set up), I find its position between the >> application and file menus to be continually jarring. Apple's Human >> Interface Design Guidelines... Heaven forfend we should disagree with such a document... >> So, may I request that an option is provided to make Filesets a >> submenu of the File menu? In the current CVS trunk, this works for me: (setq filesets-menu-before "Open File..." filesets-menu-path '("File")) (require 'filesets) (filesets-init) From david.reitter@gmail.com Tue Sep 30 09:23:35 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1056) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Sep 2008 16:23:35 +0000 Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8UGNOPF006666 for <1056@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:23:25 -0700 Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so22753yxg.31 for <1056@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:23:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=wc/MF7XtV41Rn6dcP1T5y/Wl+/7ZlOzx0T65lM9BvvE=; b=sC1UPUOxHwEgG6Z8p1JtjxKOFRBpULauhw6H4xRH1PG2ZK/I8k82d2+9rcnGegXKAt GUOMRKqe2SKqj8APpUO+Xxkj6/aZXQZj4VqQ88lgJh72YQ8zMUnJL7ETxJ50UtoTEcwB wxvIodeBKmbattEEx4TeofL8EEpJ+SuUboh64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=BrjlDHOlvYDgAzWFvSnTQwLSOJ9XASiqLawXoIfiKpQbnXf3mVLS92B3g6sI6Q4+Jp a5qQ6DhKAmAgvhSRz6jzHbmgqZaGzzwLP5xy9rDlFtj8wT+dmE4oKU6SoWH2g898+cZU L79Yzm/D9rHp5NAGqoma3LAahyD1MY4JCIIfQ= Received: by 10.100.41.8 with SMTP id o8mr6216783ano.11.1222791804027; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SCARLETT.PSY.CMU.EDU (SCARLETT.PSY.CMU.EDU [128.2.249.106]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b32sm3559734ana.34.2008.09.30.09.23.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Dominic Dunlop , 1056@debbugs.gnu.org Message-Id: From: David Reitter To: Glenn Morris In-Reply-To: <00zllp1ufz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--328536729; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: bug#1056: Filesets menu location Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:23:18 -0400 References: <7B4954CC-93D5-4BBF-BD17-67E5C8F94063@computer.org> <792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> <00zllp1ufz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) --Apple-Mail-16--328536729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 30 Sep 2008, at 12:15, Glenn Morris wrote: >>> From: Dominic Dunlop > [...] >>> Although the Filesets menu is nice to have (although I found it a >>> bit of a bear to set up), I find its position between the >>> application and file menus to be continually jarring. Apple's Human >>> Interface Design Guidelines... > > Heaven forfend we should disagree with such a document... true :) but that said, it goes against a rather wide-spread standard... File, Edit, and then whatever... >>> So, may I request that an option is provided to make Filesets a >>> submenu of the File menu? > > In the current CVS trunk, this works for me: > > (setq filesets-menu-before "Open File..." > filesets-menu-path '("File")) > (require 'filesets) > (filesets-init) I think a good default would be either next to the Buffers menu (to the left, probably), because of the semantics, or simply inside the File menu (again, semantics). The latter would be supported by the fact that the menu bar tends to get quite crowded especially on smallish (15") laptop screens. - D --Apple-Mail-16--328536729 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFxDCCAn0w ggHmoAMCAQICEEfSZyInpN9bVdFPsdICbiIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA3MTIwOTIzMDM0OFoXDTA4MTIwODIzMDM0 OFowYjEQMA4GA1UEBBMHUmVpdHRlcjEOMAwGA1UEKhMFRGF2aWQxFjAUBgNVBAMTDURhdmlkIFJl aXR0ZXIxJjAkBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWF2RhdmlkLnJlaXR0ZXJAZ21haWwuY29tMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDIS4kZGULD+CxprkxDnEccAnZ2GQQxfn55aiAPoy5kJ+uLhelaZP4p lgx3Vq8xYK1bjsLepGYp8qzVlHsyQPb6OfvRzrUXHxlJrHME0+Lblx37PBLxGDxc5W8qfZFJpej8 Dk3LUMga8laR9CRghbALoTV3UThUSMqk1cVwTY99KQIDAQABozQwMjAiBgNVHREEGzAZgRdkYXZp ZC5yZWl0dGVyQGdtYWlsLmNvbTAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAKU8XIS6 R/R3Hg6ae5p0i4iUJURq+sDVMX9RGB3Ge5V8oKKglIQGaY03leem65pqICL6mdgX/Px21JoaKVAA 8XITLFVEFHL6BfZ/eePnzNi93rnaNe7hLUwLdGztdYmqN8zF0DOCybL1M1JDB3cTr0XwHJwxziSf oEeENGNETykjMIIDPzCCAqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx FTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rlcm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3 dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEoMCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEk MCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJz b25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVow YjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAq BgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEB AQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDEpjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU 5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTX p6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+nttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8C AQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFs RnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmwwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2 YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aU nX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5 jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghOrvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCAo8wggKLAgEB MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4x LDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBH0mciJ6TfW1XR T7HSAm4iMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCgggFvMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcN AQkFMQ8XDTA4MDkzMDE2MjMxOVowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFAz7b1CLu90R3WS5QN4fB0oxtZ95 MIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3Vs dGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWlu ZyBDQQIQR9JnIiek31tV0U+x0gJuIjCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpB MSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUg UGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQR9JnIiek31tV0U+x0gJuIjANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQEFAASBgDXv8PZgxAtLHVM8NsyaFxornaIyYc2duTlt/sE1uIo66vCxinZB14TPzCgy6rcUzVoV 1z2FiKDUQTWnzrfIaT28gRv7o8y1m2NaAnVeP+2+nqNiffhEoxE/asTl4JHF3qQ3QcYU+QFZqFEM ieXJ5ZRvGlahwLhYkBwEpyQFt9uuAAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-16--328536729-- From rgm@gnu.org Tue Sep 30 09:23:11 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,MISSING_SUBJECT, NOSUBJECT,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,VALID_BTS_CONTROL,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Sep 2008 16:23:12 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8UGN8VN006659 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:23:10 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kkhy3-0007xI-JU; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:20:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18658.20967.496392.861179@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:20:55 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: control X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: red X-Ran: JQ$P?mQ)=)'LG\'n=7xGLdam=}C=!-aW;?ULz~}\e_'st-{VSL[+*5wEMf!Y[NLoy)5/=H X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes reassign 1057 emacs,ns merge 1057 824 severity 1056 wishlist From drew.adams@oracle.com Tue Sep 30 09:51:37 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1056) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Sep 2008 16:51:37 +0000 Received: from agminet01.oracle.com (agminet01.oracle.com [141.146.126.228]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8UGpV9s013782 for <1056@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:51:33 -0700 Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id m8UGpJbo027853; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:51:19 -0500 Received: from acsmt702.oracle.com (acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id m8UGpIto014457; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:51:19 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.50.114) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:51:18 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Glenn Morris'" , <1056@debbugs.gnu.org>, "'Dominic Dunlop'" References: <7B4954CC-93D5-4BBF-BD17-67E5C8F94063@computer.org><792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> <00zllp1ufz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#1056: Filesets menu location Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:51:30 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c9231c$cb0700a0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00zllp1ufz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Thread-Index: AckjGfDtzNSQZp1XTm2T8aVvvExX4QAAqLfw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE > >> So, may I request that an option is provided to make Filesets a > >> submenu of the File menu? > > In the current CVS trunk, this works for me: > > (setq filesets-menu-before "Open File..." > filesets-menu-path '("File")) > (require 'filesets) > (filesets-init) Yes, it works, but it would be better to use that as the default value, instead of adding the Filesets menu at the menu-bar top level. From lennart.borgman@gmail.com Tue Sep 30 10:18:21 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1056) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Sep 2008 17:18:21 +0000 Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m8UHIHAK020667 for <1056@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:18:19 -0700 Received: from c83-254-151-87.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.151.87]:63607 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KkirY-0003zB-7o; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:18:17 +0200 Message-ID: <48E25F4A.3070502@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:18:02 +0200 From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Reitter , 1056@debbugs.gnu.org CC: Glenn Morris , Dominic Dunlop Subject: Re: bug#1056: Filesets menu location References: <7B4954CC-93D5-4BBF-BD17-67E5C8F94063@computer.org> <792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> <00zllp1ufz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080929-1, 2008-09-29), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.151.87 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1KkirY-0003zB-7o. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1KkirY-0003zB-7o fe78c74cb99e6c15c4cd65ae017b3892 David Reitter wrote: > On 30 Sep 2008, at 12:15, Glenn Morris wrote: > >>>> From: Dominic Dunlop >> [...] >>>> Although the Filesets menu is nice to have (although I found it a >>>> bit of a bear to set up), I find its position between the >>>> application and file menus to be continually jarring. Apple's Human >>>> Interface Design Guidelines... >> >> Heaven forfend we should disagree with such a document... > > true :) > but that said, it goes against a rather wide-spread standard... File, > Edit, and then whatever... Didn't we have a discussion like that before where we agreed that nothing should be placed before "File Edit" by default? In my opinion it definitively should go in the File menu, probably close to "Open File ...". > I think a good default would be either next to the Buffers menu (to the > left, probably), because of the semantics, or simply inside the File > menu (again, semantics). The latter would be supported by the fact that > the menu bar tends to get quite crowded especially on smallish (15") > laptop screens. I think it would be good with some rather big reorganisation of the menus. Some thoughts about it: - Most Emacs users seems to use the menus very little. - They are however important to new users. - The menu bar tends to be clottered by too many things. - The most important use of the menu bar is probably not doing something quickly. - More important is probably finding commands you do not know about. - If this is true then a more conceptual organisation is probably the best. - Also it will be useful to put more commands in the menus. - It does not really matter if the menu is deep for those commands where we merely want to point out that they exists. Some things I would like to be done: - Get all nice search and replace commands into the Edit menu. Quite a lot of them are missing in the menus. (For example it would be nice to have isearch "continuation" entries there, ie jump to Occur, to Query Replace etc.) - Make a new entry, perhaps called "Display" in the menu bar. - Under display I would put "Buffers", "Frames" and "Windows" (and in the future perhaps some grouping concept like project, application (it is an OS, isn't it?)). - Make a new entry "Minor" (after the major mode entry) where all minor modes should go by default. - Divide this in global and buffer local entries, perhaps by putting an entry "Global" there with a submenu. From rgm@gnu.org Wed Oct 1 00:00:46 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1056-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Oct 2008 07:00:46 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9170hGK014772 for <1056-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:00:44 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KkvfI-0003fO-B1; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:58:28 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 1056-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1056: Filesets menu location References: <7B4954CC-93D5-4BBF-BD17-67E5C8F94063@computer.org> <792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> <00zllp1ufz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Montenegro JFK JPL Lon Horiuchi EuroFed Plame Albanian X-Ran: {y7XDIJ>_IAk+CPmM8TjpX#.U@5UAsY"xulNH_`!2+LeY^=;ycpF9dr1&Lz?lh X-Hue: green X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:58:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <00zllp1ufz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:15:28 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 2008-10-01 Glenn Morris * filesets.el (filesets-menu-name): Fix type. (filesets-menu-path, filesets-menu-before): Fix types. Change defaults to be consistent with recentf. (Bug#1056) From domo@computer.org Wed Oct 1 00:43:02 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1056) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Oct 2008 07:43:02 +0000 Received: from smtpout1.pt.lu (smtpout1.pt.lu [194.154.192.99]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m917gwpG025292 for <1056@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:43:00 -0700 Received: from [10.0.1.161] (ip-88-207-240-109.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu [88.207.240.109]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpout1.pt.lu with ESMTP id m917gt7t009832 for <1056@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:42:56 +0200 Message-Id: From: Dominic Dunlop To: 1056@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: bug#1056 closed by Glenn Morris (Re: bug#1056: Filesets menu location) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:42:57 +0200 References: <792A5E28-D332-44C5-9C7A-A41D241FDEFB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) On 2008=9610=9601, at 09:10, Emacs bug Tracking System wrote: > This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report > which was filed against the emacs package: > > #1056: Filesets menu location > > It has been closed by Glenn Morris . Everything's fine. Just a vote of thanks for the group's speedy =20 response. --=20 Dominic Dunlop From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:30:48 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: $requester Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # A New Hope # A log time ago, in a galaxy far, far away # something happened. # # Magically this resulted in the following # action being taken, but this fake control # message doesn't tell you why it happened # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator