From unknown Mon Jun 16 23:44:02 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#10238 <10238@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#10238 <10238@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Reply-To: bug#10238 <10238@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 06:44:02 +0000 retitle 10238 R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does reassign 10238 emacs,gnus submitter 10238 Stefan Monnier severity 10238 normal tag 10238 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 06 16:21:19 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2011 21:21:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RY2Ry-0003FM-SB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:21:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RY2Rw-0003FF-Kh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:21:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RY2RF-0004sD-8c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:20:36 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD,T_FRT_INTEREST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:34839) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RY2RF-0004s9-79 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:20:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RY2RB-0003T8-4x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:20:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RY2R6-0004qn-Kq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:20:29 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:59701) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RY2R6-0004qg-FP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:20:24 -0500 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pB6LKMTV008869; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 16:20:22 -0500 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3F8EBB42C1; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 16:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:20:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4063=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4063> : streams <708386> : uri <1022974> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) Package: Emacs,gnus Version: 24.0.92 I have a special-display-* setting like "\\*.*\\*" that makes all buffers named with *...* to pop up in dedicated frames. When I follow-up with F in gnus-summary, this is obeyed just fine and pops up a new frame where I can comfortably edit my message. But if I use R instead, the message-mode buffer is placed in the main Gnus frame rather than in its own frame. I.e. it disregards special-display-*. This is new in Emacs-24 and is caused by the `switch-to-buffer' argument passed to `message-reply' in gnus-summary-reply since revno 103283 (appended below). Stefan PS: BTW, please keep commit logs comments within the usual 80 (or even 72) columns! ------------------------------------------------------------ revno: 103283 author: Gnus developers committer: Katsumi Yamaoka branch nick: trunk timestamp: Tue 2011-02-15 11:24:37 +0000 message: Merge changes made in Gnus trunk. auth.texi (Help for users): Login collection is "Login" and not "login". gnus-sum.el (gnus-propagate-marks): Default to nil. (gnus-summary-exit): Kill the correct article buffer on exit from a `C-d' group. gnus-start.el (gnus-use-backend-marks): Removed, since it duplicates gnus-propagate-marks. gnus-sum.el (gnus-summary-exit-no-update): Restore the group conf before killing the buffers so that a non-full window conf gets handled correctly. (gnus-summary-exit): Ditto. (gnus-summary-read-group-1): Ditto. nntp.el (nntp-retrieve-group-data-early): Reinstate the two-part async code again so that we can debug it properly. message.el (message-reply): Take an optional switch-buffer parameter so that Gnus window confs are respected better. auth-source.el (auth-source-secrets-search): Use `delete-dups', `append mapcar', and `butlast' instead of `remove-duplicates', `mapcan', and `subseq'. (auth-sources, auth-source-backend-parse, auth-source-secrets-search): Login collection is "Login" and not "login". gnus-art.el (article-update-date-lapsed): Don't bug out when updating multiple headers. 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4 Jan 2012 21:05:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiY1D-0001FB-OB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:05:08 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiY1B-0001F1-6w for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:05:07 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RiXxk-00033b-9v; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:01:32 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEW6X48HAQPXpLFJIC4U CA13QFKo6KtIAAACPUlEQVQ4jWWUTZLiMAyFPUn7AC7MPh2aPW7Z+zZW9gZH97/KPDkhdM1oARRf nv4VY7rNv23CH9YYEljVD7FyGECSJpK4EFHI2fvsYB7AOXZuwW/nAwU6PQ5QJLji3Dn7cAt0/oMn l6CAJL5AMvD+8Nk7gEwNwKs+xMHY7wecKlhFmlukRY8YlMsafGaNYRORS8iwUShChYKDLwChxskS SePgJbU1wCujRjzJMi7EHAFOHF1wvIHIYlkrfGg92a8dDPOsreoda64ntzqvwLzb2Ho74MptisMa d4vMB3jO8a6g8G4vIPPyM88rZ42SHfs3SN/zHF/PczyALU8A19NCCi/FWC7lK82hz6bPYwMXLS+y Ak3YHyD6chvZP+M/WV0KptjY3cPuKe+Kr2dBV0u+/9qSDQzYkCT8Y9429BjWlZjieYDCiMWOtbSB C9rJ+We2JMN1GqqMO/jqIc8K8Hit9aX4fAEdPSaKiFsdn30vT1BQIwVxMburXJD7bNGAJm0l3sHF OQA3YPIJG4557eC6Ne4ORT+F9QA+KlksL6qQw9VUr/16oEjU0hh5wY5srRn0wiwaI0nXMum1YTtF j85WDQ6iX3B1WVptpsqtA+0TstLKP5J0YD+qLRCvyw5WUQViRVWsOIR1Aw0KjaE3DNCkxF2RgEyr 1hIAxdYBgo+FqpnsgssaFSQFi/pG1nWaRLiMukXo7Qb6+RmUHk9aGek46KbXos2p12Ybmf9t3vdi Gt6npLsCQy+H7Z009PfSXzwDvTPdH4G4AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Various's _Disco Discharge: Pink Pounders (2)_: "Virgin - Only You (Original 12" extended mix)" Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:01:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:20:22 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RiXxk-00033b-9v X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326315692.37677@+eKNHvYrrvsLpIfrHQ02RQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > I have a special-display-* setting like "\\*.*\\*" that makes all > buffers named with *...* to pop up in dedicated frames. > When I follow-up with F in gnus-summary, this is obeyed just fine and > pops up a new frame where I can comfortably edit my message. > But if I use R instead, the message-mode buffer is placed in the main > Gnus frame rather than in its own frame. I.e. it disregards > special-display-*. I've never used any of the `special-display-*' stuff. What's the setting exactly for reproducing this bug? > PS: BTW, please keep commit logs comments within the usual 80 (or even > 72) columns! I have previously been instructed to make the first line of a commit message be a complete sentence. Making it complete, less than 72 characters and meaningful is a challenge. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 04 20:30:09 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2012 01:30:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ric9g-0000Nt-MW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:30:08 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ric9f-0000Nm-1y for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:30:08 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgQFAFP7BE9MCoO8/2dsb2JhbABDggWqaYEGgXIBAQQBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgNtSWMDwSIOJpMhFI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,459,1320642000"; d="scan'208";a="155340188" Received: from 76-10-131-188.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.131.188]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 04 Jan 2012 20:26:38 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 56E5958F52; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:26:38 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:26:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:01:31 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) >> I have a special-display-* setting like "\\*.*\\*" that makes all >> buffers named with *...* to pop up in dedicated frames. >> When I follow-up with F in gnus-summary, this is obeyed just fine and >> pops up a new frame where I can comfortably edit my message. >> But if I use R instead, the message-mode buffer is placed in the main >> Gnus frame rather than in its own frame. I.e. it disregards >> special-display-*. > I've never used any of the `special-display-*' stuff. What's the > setting exactly for reproducing this bug? I'm not completely sure ("emacs -Q" doesn't work too well with Gnus ;-), but something like (setq special-display-regexps '("^\\*.*\\*$")) might be sufficient. >> PS: BTW, please keep commit logs comments within the usual 80 (or even >> 72) columns! > I have previously been instructed to make the first line of a commit > message be a complete sentence. Making it complete, less than 72 > characters and meaningful is a challenge. The first line doesn't need to be complete, as far as I'm concerned. And I'm more worried about it staying within the 80 columns limit than about it being a complete sentence. IOW, just make sure that if you only read the first 80 chars of the first line, you get something meaningful that describes the bulk of the patch. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 05 00:04:42 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2012 05:04:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RifVJ-0005Gf-U4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:04:42 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RifVG-0005GX-TA for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:04:39 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RifRp-0002iM-12; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 06:01:05 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does References: X-Now-Playing: Various's _Dark Matter: Multiverse 2004 - 2009 (1)_: "Vex'd - Lion" Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 06:01:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:26:38 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RifRp-0002iM-12 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326344465.08744@0uJ+aPIrN5fYsYe/wykJ3Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > I'm not completely sure ("emacs -Q" doesn't work too well with Gnus ;-), > but something like (setq special-display-regexps '("^\\*.*\\*$")) might > be sufficient. Yes, that allows me to reproduce the bug. I seem to recall the change here being made because a user had reported that `special-display-regexps' was being respected, and that the Gnus window conf wasn't. So just backing out the patch doesn't seem like the right thing to do, either... (But of course, `F' and `R' should behave the same way here, anyway...) Is there a way to have (setq special-display-regexps '("^\\*.*\\*$")) but still say "don't do this for the Message buffers? If so, the patch can be reverted, and the user who complained can just twiddle the variable in question... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 05 16:50:48 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2012 21:50:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RivCy-0005wq-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:50:48 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RivCw-0005wj-Kw for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:50:47 -0500 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q05LlDeE013271; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:47:13 -0500 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4A188B4459; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:47:13 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:47:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 05 Jan 2012 06:01:04 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4092=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4092> : streams <717071> : uri <1041340> X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) >> I'm not completely sure ("emacs -Q" doesn't work too well with Gnus ;-), >> but something like (setq special-display-regexps '("^\\*.*\\*$")) might >> be sufficient. > Yes, that allows me to reproduce the bug. > I seem to recall the change here being made because a user had reported > that `special-display-regexps' was being respected, and that the Gnus > window conf wasn't. So just backing out the patch doesn't seem like the > right thing to do, either... > (But of course, `F' and `R' should behave the same way here, anyway...) > Is there a way to have > (setq special-display-regexps '("^\\*.*\\*$")) > but still say "don't do this for the Message buffers? With special-display-regexps, I think something like the code below should do it: (setq special-display-regexps '(("^\\*unsent.*\\*$" switch-to-buffer) "^\\*.*\\*$")) > If so, the patch can be reverted, and the user who complained can just > twiddle the variable in question... Sounds good to me, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 05 22:23:29 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2012 03:23:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rj0Ov-000684-A1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:23:29 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rj0Ot-00067x-BX for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:23:28 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rj0LM-0001Va-6h; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:19:48 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:47:12 -0500") Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:19:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Suzanne Vega's _Close-Up, Volume 1: Love Songs_: "Some Journey" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Rj0LM-0001Va-6h X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326424788.26378@jaklLGoe7WtH8w5pI0oGUg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > With special-display-regexps, I think something > like the code below should do it: > > (setq special-display-regexps > '(("^\\*unsent.*\\*$" switch-to-buffer) > "^\\*.*\\*$")) Right. I've now removed the `switch-to-buffer' parameter to `message-reply'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 05 22:23:20 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2012 03:23:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rj0Ol-00067j-PB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:23:20 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rj0Oj-00067a-Gk for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:23:18 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rj0LC-0001VM-CB for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:19:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:19:37 +0100 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #10238 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Rj0LC-0001VM-CB X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326424778.43628@mv5rqNqQp1UyV/8xxOw53A X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) tags 10238 fixed close 10238 24.1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 24 16:01:51 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2012 21:01:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RpnUy-0003CQ-CZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:01:50 -0500 Received: from cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com ([208.78.214.25]:40817) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RpnUu-0003CD-SR for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:01:46 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAGTCHk/AqF0N/2dsb2JhbABCrzWBcgEBBAF5EAsNFCUPAQRJAQ0Fh3y4HYkmAgEKAiIFg3gGgzUEiD+SVox1 Received: from unknown (HELO chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com) ([192.168.93.13]) by cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2012 21:02:43 +0000 Received: from internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.29) by chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:01:16 -0600 Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.27.110]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:01:16 -0600 From: Ted Zlatanov To: Stefan Monnier , Ding Mailing List Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:00:46 -0600 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:26:38 -0500") Message-ID: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2012 21:01:16.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[505B8590:01CCDADB] X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:26:38 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> PS: BTW, please keep commit logs comments within the usual 80 (or even >>> 72) columns! >> I have previously been instructed to make the first line of a commit >> message be a complete sentence. Making it complete, less than 72 >> characters and meaningful is a challenge. SM> The first line doesn't need to be complete, as far as I'm concerned. SM> And I'm more worried about it staying within the 80 columns limit than SM> about it being a complete sentence. SM> IOW, just make sure that if you only read the first 80 chars of SM> the first line, you get something meaningful that describes the bulk of SM> the patch. I'm OK with the above, as long as the Gnus developers are allowed to go over 80 in the first line within reason. So we'll keep the first line short, but if it has to go a little over 80, we'll make sure the really important stuff is at the very beginning. Can we highlight past the 80th char in commit log buffers? That would be a nice passive indicator of a problem. CC to ding for any stray comments. Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 24 16:26:38 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2012 21:26:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42173 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rpnt0-0003lP-Ft for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:26:38 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:52853) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rpnsv-0003l8-8C for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:26:37 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LYB00L00NHUGO00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:25:44 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.49.233]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LYB00LLLNIVGD00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:25:44 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:25:48 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does In-reply-to: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Ted Zlatanov Message-id: <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:00:46 -0600 > Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > > SM> IOW, just make sure that if you only read the first 80 chars of > SM> the first line, you get something meaningful that describes the bulk of > SM> the patch. > > I'm OK with the above, as long as the Gnus developers are allowed to go > over 80 in the first line within reason. So we'll keep the first line > short, but if it has to go a little over 80, we'll make sure the really > important stuff is at the very beginning. I have yet to see a doc string whose first line could not be made less than 80 characters. When in trouble, ask for help here, there are enough native English speakers here who are proficient in making that line clear, concise, and short. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 24 16:35:47 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2012 21:35:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rpo1q-0004kK-H2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:35:47 -0500 Received: from cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com ([208.78.214.25]:57700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rpo1l-0004k4-0y for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:35:45 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAGTCHk/AqF0N/2dsb2JhbABCrzWBcgEBBAF5EAsNBwEMJQ8BBEkOBYd8uB2JJgIBCgIiBYN4BoM1BIg/klaMdQ Received: from unknown (HELO chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com) ([192.168.93.13]) by cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2012 21:36:38 +0000 Received: from internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.29) by chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:35:12 -0600 Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.27.110]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:35:12 -0600 From: Ted Zlatanov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:34:42 -0600 In-Reply-To: <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:25:48 +0200") Message-ID: <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2012 21:35:12.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DA3A660:01CCDAE0] X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:25:48 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:00:46 -0600 >> Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen >> SM> IOW, just make sure that if you only read the first 80 chars of SM> the first line, you get something meaningful that describes the bulk of SM> the patch. >> >> I'm OK with the above, as long as the Gnus developers are allowed to go >> over 80 in the first line within reason. So we'll keep the first line >> short, but if it has to go a little over 80, we'll make sure the really >> important stuff is at the very beginning. EZ> I have yet to see a doc string whose first line could not be made less EZ> than 80 characters. When in trouble, ask for help here, there are EZ> enough native English speakers here who are proficient in making that EZ> line clear, concise, and short. We're talking about VCS commit messages, not docstrings. It's a different context, and for VCS commits often there is information that needs to be distilled into that first line and 80 chars are not enough. Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 24 18:02:36 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jan 2012 23:02:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42326 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RppNs-0007Zc-2F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:02:36 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:48340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RppNp-0007ZR-AT for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:02:34 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9851800199; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:02:08 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: YSWFsAoiStWfEGa3iowZEQH0UxhiSfkQ+p3jPKGXglw= Received: from igel.home (ppp-93-104-151-85.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.151.85]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D77841C0013E; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:02:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 27D54CA29F; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:02:06 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Ted Zlatanov Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Yow: .. does your DRESSING ROOM have enough ASPARAGUS? Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:02:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:34:42 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Ted Zlatanov writes: > We're talking about VCS commit messages, not docstrings. It's a > different context, and for VCS commits often there is information that > needs to be distilled into that first line and 80 chars are not enough. The summary line doesn't need to be precise. It should just give an informal overview of the change. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 25 01:31:29 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2012 06:31:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42473 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RpwOC-0000td-1i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:31:28 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:56050 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RpwO4-0000tQ-2P for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:31:22 -0500 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RpwNd-0008Fp-W0; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:30:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:30:49 -0500 Message-Id: From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andreas Schwab In-reply-to: (message from Andreas Schwab on Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:02:06 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, tzz@lifelogs.com, larsi@gnus.org, ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) > From: Andreas Schwab > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, ding@gnus.org > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:02:06 +0100 > > Ted Zlatanov writes: > > > We're talking about VCS commit messages, not docstrings. It's a > > different context, and for VCS commits often there is information that > > needs to be distilled into that first line and 80 chars are not enough. > > The summary line doesn't need to be precise. It should just give an > informal overview of the change. 100% agreement. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 25 09:01:36 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2012 14:01:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rq3Po-0004L0-9p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:01:36 -0500 Received: from cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com ([208.78.214.25]:65228) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rq3Pi-0004Kl-F7 for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:01:30 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAMoKIE/AqF0N/2dsb2JhbABDr0OBcgEBBAF5EAsNBwEMJQ8BBEkOBYd8uDWJKwIBCgIiBYN4BoM1BIg/kliMdw Received: from unknown (HELO chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com) ([192.168.93.13]) by cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com with ESMTP; 25 Jan 2012 14:02:10 +0000 Received: from internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.29) by chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:00:44 -0600 Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.27.110]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:00:43 -0600 From: Ted Zlatanov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:00:13 -0600 In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:30:49 -0500") Message-ID: <87wr8fhloi.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2012 14:00:43.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAC4CB10:01CCDB69] X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, Andreas Schwab , ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 01:30:49 -0500 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Andreas Schwab >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, ding@gnus.org >> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:02:06 +0100 >> >> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> >> > We're talking about VCS commit messages, not docstrings. It's a >> > different context, and for VCS commits often there is information that >> > needs to be distilled into that first line and 80 chars are not enough. >> >> The summary line doesn't need to be precise. It should just give an >> informal overview of the change. EZ> 100% agreement. OK, but we're not talking about the destiny of the summary line in a VCS commit, but rather whether it should be limited to 80 chars. I think we should try to keep it under 80, and if it has to go over, the essential information should be before the 80th char. But forcing it to 80 will force us to write convoluted summaries that misrepresent the commit for the sake of saving a few characters. Please note we're talking about Gnus here, not Emacs. We could ask Yamaoka-san, who synchronizes Gnus into Emacs, to cut or rewrite long commit summary lines so they don't bother Emacs developers. But forcing the Gnus developers to use 80 chars in their own work seems too harsh. Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 25 17:57:28 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2012 22:57:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44074 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqBmS-0001ee-1Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:57:28 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:40409) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqBmR-0001eV-18 for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:57:27 -0500 Received: from 93-41-173-241.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.173.241] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqBls-0003Gp-1o; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:56:52 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Ted Zlatanov Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wr8fhloi.fsf@lifelogs.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:56:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87wr8fhloi.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:00:13 -0600") Message-ID: <878vkvgzm6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RqBls-0003Gp-1o X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1328137012.3127@rQz5tBbegdM6P6bHGJbZEw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Andreas Schwab , ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Ted Zlatanov writes: > But forcing the Gnus developers to use 80 chars in their own work > seems too harsh. I don't mind the 80-character limit. But it can be kinda repetitive if the 80-character summary just repeats a shortened version of the long explanation underneath. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 26 09:36:09 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2012 14:36:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqQQl-0002Bu-Jg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:36:09 -0500 Received: from cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com ([208.78.214.25]:26661) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RqQQe-0002BK-Vp for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:36:02 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAN4iIU/AqF0N/2dsb2JhbABDr0uBcgEBBXkQCw0UJQ8BBEkOBcAiiT0QAQgBBgQDAwQfAwECgmUdDoEFIAIBCwEFAgeDNASIP5JXjHc Received: from unknown (HELO chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com) ([192.168.93.13]) by cer-mailmxol2.jumptrading.com with ESMTP; 26 Jan 2012 14:36:45 +0000 Received: from internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.29) by chiexchange02.w2k.jumptrading.com (10.2.4.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.176.0; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:35:18 -0600 Received: from tzlatanov-ubuntu-desktop.jumptrading.com ([10.2.27.110]) by internalsmtp.w2k.jumptrading.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:35:18 -0600 From: Ted Zlatanov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wr8fhloi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vkvgzm6.fsf@gnus.org> X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:34:48 -0600 In-Reply-To: <878vkvgzm6.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:56:49 +0100") Message-ID: <8762fya353.fsf@lifelogs.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2012 14:35:18.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9D99C20:01CCDC37] X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab , ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:56:49 +0100 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: LI> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> But forcing the Gnus developers to use 80 chars in their own work >> seems too harsh. LI> I don't mind the 80-character limit. But it can be kinda repetitive if LI> the 80-character summary just repeats a shortened version of the long LI> explanation underneath. Exactly. A good haiku will lift the spirit in more than 80 chars :) Ted From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 30 17:45:44 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2012 22:45:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45770 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rrzyp-0007WT-RB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:45:44 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:49606) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rrzyn-0007WL-IF for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:45:42 -0500 Received: from 93-41-188-50.ip82.fastwebnet.it ([93.41.188.50] helo=rusty) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RrzyV-0002Ei-5h; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:45:23 +0100 To: Ted Zlatanov Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wr8fhloi.fsf@lifelogs.com> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:45:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87wr8fhloi.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:00:13 -0600") Message-ID: <87ehugajy7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RrzyV-0002Ei-5h X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1328568323.7716@07071/+RkDg46pxe0WW+Uw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Andreas Schwab , bugs@gnus.org, ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: bugs@gnus.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Ted Zlatanov writes: > I think we should try to keep it under 80, and if it has to go over, the > essential information should be before the 80th char. But forcing it to > 80 will force us to write convoluted summaries that misrepresent the > commit for the sake of saving a few characters. I think it's fine for the summary line to not describe the entire patch. If it says something like "rfc2047 parameter fixups", and then the rest of the commit message explains in excruciating details what's been done and why, then that's to be preferred. Reading the summary lines is then fast and you'll quickly determine which patches you're interested in looking further at, and which ones you don't care about. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no * Sent from my Rome From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 30 20:46:29 2012 Received: (at 10238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2012 01:46:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rs2nl-0004s7-DN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:46:29 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:35607) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rs2ni-0004rt-UO for 10238@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:46:27 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAA1HJ09MCqD0/2dsb2JhbABDrlaBBoFyAQEEAVYjEAs0EhQYDYgzuQuLKRICAgMGAgQCAQQCAgwGCgMBhB0BBAQMDAIhgxwEiD+ac4RX X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,592,1320642000"; d="scan'208";a="160382532" Received: from 76-10-160-244.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.160.244]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 30 Jan 2012 20:46:08 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C60A259470; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:46:06 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: bugs@gnus.org Subject: Re: bug#10238: R in gnus-summary does not pop a frame like F does Message-ID: References: <87pqe8kbg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83pqe823oj.fsf@gnu.org> <87vco0ivb1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wr8fhloi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ehugajy7.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:46:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ehugajy7.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:45:20 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10238 Cc: 10238@debbugs.gnu.org, Ted Zlatanov , schwab@linux-m68k.org, ding@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) >> I think we should try to keep it under 80, and if it has to go over, the >> essential information should be before the 80th char. But forcing it to >> 80 will force us to write convoluted summaries that misrepresent the >> commit for the sake of saving a few characters. > I think it's fine for the summary line to not describe the entire patch. Actually, the way to think about this is that this "summary" is really about giving a *name* to the patch. In this context, 80chars is usually not that restrictive (although often a large part is taken by some kind of context like "lisp/emacs-lisp/tabulated-list.el: ", that still leaves 40chars for the "name-in-context"). Stefan From unknown Mon Jun 16 23:44:02 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:24:02 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator