From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 01 14:08:38 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Dec 2011 19:08:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWBzo-0001Wi-MQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:08:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWBzk-0001Wa-HX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:08:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RWBzW-0005ES-Qv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:08:22 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:48388) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RWBzW-0005ED-MB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:08:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:40019) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RWBzT-00044m-A3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:08:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RWBzO-0005BB-S4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:08:15 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:40666) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RWBzO-0005Ar-Mi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:08:10 -0500 Received: by qcsd17 with SMTP id d17so15761qcs.0 for ; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 11:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.3.141 with SMTP id 13mr1665109qcn.147.1322766489375; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 11:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z1sm647447qao.1.2011.12.01.11.08.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Dec 2011 11:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id E631D19FBDC0; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:08:08 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Abrahams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:08:08 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) `M-x save-some-buffers' offers to let me review my files (or their diffs) before saving them with, but very often the window I'm given in which to do the review is pitifully small and really inadequate. Not only that, but there's basically no way (at least none that I can find) to scroll the window and reveal useful information. Something should be done to make those review windows more useful. 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browse-url ess-menu ess-swv ess-noweb noweb-font-lock-mode ess-bugs-l essd-els ess-sas-d ess-sas-l ess-sas-a executable shell ess-arc-d ess-vst-d ess-xls-d ess-lsp-l ess-sta-d ess-sta-l cc-vars cc-defs make-regexp ess-sp6-d ess-sp5-d ess-sp3-d ess-r-d ess-r-args ess-s-l ess-inf ess-utils comint ess-mode noweb-mode ess ess-custom ess-compat ess-site xcscope ring cmake-mode mo-git-blame gnus-load yasnippet dropdown-list assoc company-autoloads weblogger-autoloads xml-rpc-autoloads package org-install browse-kill-ring markdown-mode derived thingatpt edmacro kmacro noutline outline fit-frame initsplit advice advice-preload find-func el-get help-mode view autoload help-fns bytecomp byte-compile cl cl-19 dired-x dired-aux dired regexp-opt info easymenu paren server ido easy-mmode autorevert time delsel cus-start cus-load elhome tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel mac-win tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote mac multi-tty make-network-process emacs) -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 02 03:56:21 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2011 08:56:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWOur-00042J-2w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 03:56:21 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWOuo-000428-6U for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 03:56:19 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Dec 2011 08:56:02 -0000 Received: from 62-47-59-113.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.59.113]) [62.47.59.113] by mail.gmx.net (mp055) with SMTP; 02 Dec 2011 09:56:02 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/spvUiaczsCn3SxmjXSuP4WIGPZ3xLkLYTsn9WwS FxjZmSLW9Rh/nI Message-ID: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:56:01 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > `M-x save-some-buffers' offers to let me review my files (or their > diffs) before saving them with, but very often the window I'm given in > which to do the review is pitifully small and really inadequate. The window has the size provided by `display-buffer'. What are your values of `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'? > Not > only that, but there's basically no way (at least none that I can find) > to scroll the window and reveal useful information. Setting `enable-recursive-minibuffers' to a non-nil value should allow to do that. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 02 05:31:30 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2011 10:31:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWQOv-00072u-D7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:31:30 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWQOt-00072l-1x for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:31:28 -0500 Received: by qcsf15 with SMTP id f15so109303qcs.3 for <10186@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 02:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.50.5 with SMTP id x5mr59854qcf.172.1322821872673; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 02:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o15sm4825898qaz.19.2011.12.02.02.31.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 02 Dec 2011 02:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id AA9F91A095A7; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:31:10 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Abrahams To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:31:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:56:01 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) on Fri Dec 02 2011, martin rudalics wrote: >> `M-x save-some-buffers' offers to let me review my files (or their >> diffs) before saving them with, but very often the window I'm given in >> which to do the review is pitifully small and really inadequate. > > The window has the size provided by `display-buffer'. What are your > values of `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'? nil and 160, respectively. >> Not only that, but there's basically no way (at least none that I can >> find) to scroll the window and reveal useful information. > > Setting `enable-recursive-minibuffers' to a non-nil value should allow > to do that. I've always been leery of doing that, just because I figured it's disabled-by-default for a reason, but I will try it. That said, doing something that's considered "unsafe for novices" shouldn't be required in order to make something so basic as save-some-buffers work, should it? -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 02 08:56:50 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2011 13:56:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWTbO-0006Dl-Ql for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:56:50 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWTbF-0006DI-L8 for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:56:28 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Dec 2011 13:56:01 -0000 Received: from 62-47-54-252.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.54.252]) [62.47.54.252] by mail.gmx.net (mp062) with SMTP; 02 Dec 2011 14:56:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19TQz99RIZTEzeHc+Dp6bSKgOhytG1kd41jQdvHOp ZE4UWHNzme6Df6 Message-ID: <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:56:01 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >> The window has the size provided by `display-buffer'. What are your >> values of `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'? > > nil This means that you get a two-windows frame and your window is still too small? In this case I would suggest popping up a frame instead. > and 160, respectively. >> Setting `enable-recursive-minibuffers' to a non-nil value should allow >> to do that. > > I've always been leery of doing that, just because I figured it's > disabled-by-default for a reason, but I will try it. That said, doing > something that's considered "unsafe for novices" shouldn't be required > in order to make something so basic as save-some-buffers work, should > it? Doesn't C-M-v work with the default `display-buffer' approach? martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 02 09:34:43 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2011 14:34:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWUCE-00078O-7k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:34:43 -0500 Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.216.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWUC8-00078D-7P for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:34:37 -0500 Received: by qadb15 with SMTP id b15so493107qad.3 for <10186@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 06:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.18.147 with SMTP id w19mr3219417qaa.40.1322836456621; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 06:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hk8sm5998564qab.17.2011.12.02.06.34.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 02 Dec 2011 06:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 821841A0D93C; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:34:14 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Abrahams To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:34:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:56:01 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) on Fri Dec 02 2011, martin rudalics wrote: >>> The window has the size provided by `display-buffer'. What are your >>> values of `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'? >> >> nil > > This means that you get a two-windows frame and your window is still too > small? In this case I would suggest popping up a frame instead. No, my frame is huge. The problem is that it is already divided up, including a small window that sometimes/often gets chosen by Emacs for display-buffer. >> and 160, respectively. > >>> Setting `enable-recursive-minibuffers' to a non-nil value should allow >>> to do that. >> >> I've always been leery of doing that, just because I figured it's >> disabled-by-default for a reason, but I will try it. That said, doing >> something that's considered "unsafe for novices" shouldn't be required >> in order to make something so basic as save-some-buffers work, should >> it? > > Doesn't C-M-v work with the default `display-buffer' approach? I don't know; I've never tried it. I don't often try to do anything to a window other than the current one without leaving it. I'm a fairly experienced Emacs user; it seems to me that if I was stumped by this there must be a problem. -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 02 11:20:26 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2011 16:20:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWVqa-0001KX-Kz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:20:26 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWVqX-0001KP-OV for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:20:23 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Dec 2011 16:20:05 -0000 Received: from 62-47-46-5.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.46.5]) [62.47.46.5] by mail.gmx.net (mp015) with SMTP; 02 Dec 2011 17:20:05 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/r1Eg82FXrqCh+WgRmlz98in7obmORMvTcIxqe28 gemVb+f58Ld4fR Message-ID: <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:20:05 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > No, my frame is huge. The problem is that it is already divided up, > including a small window that sometimes/often gets chosen by Emacs for > display-buffer. This happens because `display-buffer-use-some-window' tries the least recently used window first. If that window happens to be small ... In any case this sounds like a more general problem with your setup so maybe something like the following would help (defun make-small-windows-softly-dedicated () (walk-window-tree (lambda (window) (cond ((and (> (window-total-size window) 10) (eq (window-dedicated-p window) 'too-small)) (set-window-dedicated-p window nil)) ((and (<= (window-total-size window) 10) (not (window-dedicated-p window))) (set-window-dedicated-p window 'too-small)))))) (add-hook 'window-configuration-change-hook 'make-small-windows-softly-dedicated) replacing the "10" by a value of your choice. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 07 11:55:05 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2011 16:55:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYKlt-0006RP-EQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 11:55:05 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYKln-0006Qg-Gy for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 11:55:00 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1128754059; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4D5451C611; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:53:55 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Organization: JURTA References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:51:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:20:05 +0100") Message-ID: <8762hse5x1.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: Dave Abrahams , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> No, my frame is huge. The problem is that it is already divided up, >> including a small window that sometimes/often gets chosen by Emacs for >> display-buffer. > > This happens because `display-buffer-use-some-window' tries the least > recently used window first. If that window happens to be small ... > > In any case this sounds like a more general problem with your setup so > maybe something like the following would help This is a more general problem for many users. It was discussed in bug#10040 (also mentioned in bug#3419). I think there should a rule for display-buffer to skip small windows. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 07 12:09:04 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2011 17:09:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYKzP-00070Z-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:09:04 -0500 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYKzL-000703-H2 for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:09:00 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pB7H8CtS015615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:08:13 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pB7H8BeN015618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:08:11 GMT Received: from abhmt102.oracle.com (abhmt102.oracle.com [141.146.116.54]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pB7H85Uw000722; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:08:05 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 09:08:05 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Juri Linkov'" , "'martin rudalics'" References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <8762hse5x1.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Subject: RE: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:08:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acy1AQf10pfBp2WsThOk61UUUdRJWgAAShWQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <8762hse5x1.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4EDF9D7D.00B1,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 'Dave Abrahams' , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) > I think there should a rule for display-buffer to skip small windows. Apologies for not following this thread. But what would be the definition of a "small window"? And what if the buffer content itself is "small"? A priori, this doesn't sound like such a great idea. Seems like it would be prone to DWIM blindness. Just a caveat from ignorance. Don't let it stop you from proposing something concrete. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 07 14:57:59 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2011 19:57:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYNcs-0003fF-P9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:57:59 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYNcq-0003f1-Af for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:57:56 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A4A754059; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A5B451C611; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Organization: JURTA References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <8762hse5x1.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:54:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:08:04 -0800") Message-ID: <87wra840ok.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 'Dave Abrahams' , 'martin rudalics' , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> I think there should a rule for display-buffer to skip small windows. > > Apologies for not following this thread. But what would be the definition of a > "small window"? And what if the buffer content itself is "small"? In `make-small-windows-softly-dedicated', Martin used the constant 10 to define the minimal size of a "small window". Incidentally, this is the same number as the default value of `window-min-width'. But the default value of `window-min-height' is 4 that is smaller for a reasonable size of a "small window". So maybe as there are already `window-safe-min-height' and `window-safe-min-width', we could add new options like `window-comfortable-min-height' and `window-comfortable-min-width'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 11:04:53 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2011 16:04:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re7c5-0004R5-8x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:04:53 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re7c2-0004Qx-F6 for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:04:51 -0500 Received: by qcsf15 with SMTP id f15so5700254qcs.3 for <10186@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.134.197 with SMTP id k5mr5724960qct.58.1324656153653; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z1sm24895672qao.1.2011.12.23.08.02.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3B81B1C5E6D6; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:02:31 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Abrahams To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:02:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:20:05 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) on Fri Dec 02 2011, martin rudalics wrote: > In any case this sounds like a more general problem with your setup so > maybe something like the following would help Hi martin, Thanks, I'll analyze your code and try this... but I still don't understand: what about this problem is specific to my setup? -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 11:08:10 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2011 16:08:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re7fG-0004Vk-0q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:08:10 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re7fE-0004Vc-8Y for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:08:09 -0500 Received: by qcsf15 with SMTP id f15so5702024qcs.3 for <10186@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.31.132 with SMTP id y4mr19422368qac.12.1324656351698; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ev4sm22488689qab.9.2011.12.23.08.05.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 012AB1C5E762; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:05:49 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Abrahams To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:05:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:20:05 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) Oh... that isn't going to work for me until I upgrade to Emacs24 (I don't have window-total-size). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 11:36:05 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2011 16:36:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re86G-00058S-N7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:36:05 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re86E-000582-5O for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:36:03 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Dec 2011 16:33:44 -0000 Received: from 62-47-59-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.59.176]) [62.47.59.176] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 17:33:44 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18jXTkXZyIj1baQZw9hAWOeh4M+VH0/5tYM8qhxdq dB0wP4iv28YDHV Message-ID: <4EF4AD67.2020203@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:33:43 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > ... but I still don't > understand: what about this problem is specific to my setup? Nothing, actually. What I wanted to say is that working with small windows runs the risk that `display-buffer' will reuse such a window. As Juri said we should be able to customize this. But I don't like the idea of a global variable and I don't think that using the ALIST argument for this purpose is feasible either. It's something I planned to solve with the help of specifiers once ... martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 11:36:15 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2011 16:36:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re86R-00058s-Bi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:36:15 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Re86P-00058k-A4 for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:36:14 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Dec 2011 16:33:55 -0000 Received: from 62-47-59-176.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.59.176]) [62.47.59.176] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 17:33:55 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+KUp1PLj6KWkFihTETPqBp5GV3An47TNWJKT6x6C 5IyS1zDq38II8d Message-ID: <4EF4AD73.6030006@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:33:55 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Abrahams Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) > Oh... that isn't going to work for me until I upgrade to Emacs24 (I > don't have window-total-size). Try the below then. It's more expensive since constructing the window list means one cons cell for each live window on the changed frame. martin (defun make-small-windows-softly-dedicated () (dolist (window (window-list nil 'nomini)) (cond ((and (> (window-height window) 10) (eq (window-dedicated-p window) 'too-small)) (set-window-dedicated-p window nil)) ((and (<= (window-height window) 10) (not (window-dedicated-p window))) (set-window-dedicated-p window 'too-small))))) (add-hook 'window-configuration-change-hook 'make-small-windows-softly-dedicated) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 16:52:27 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2011 21:52:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ReD2R-0004bj-16 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:52:27 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ReD2O-0004bb-Rr for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:52:25 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D726684082; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA59451C700; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:49:31 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Organization: JURTA References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <4EF4AD67.2020203@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 23:11:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4EF4AD67.2020203@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:33:43 +0100") Message-ID: <87ipl7c8b6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: Dave Abrahams , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > As Juri said we should be able to customize this. But I don't like the > idea of a global variable and I don't think that using the ALIST > argument for this purpose is feasible either. It's something I planned > to solve with the help of specifiers once ... I'm just curious do you plan to use display specifiers or window parameters? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 04:28:53 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2011 09:28:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ReNuP-0003SY-O0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 04:28:53 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ReNuM-0003SQ-Qm for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 04:28:52 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Dec 2011 09:26:25 -0000 Received: from 62-47-32-189.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.32.189]) [62.47.32.189] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 24 Dec 2011 10:26:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+NSPdfVE6N6HEyVasR+pLCkGRZWKxKEz9HIoakZY 2yUGVc4Gnf3pY0 Message-ID: <4EF59AC0.9070808@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:26:24 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <4EF4AD67.2020203@gmx.at> <87ipl7c8b6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> In-Reply-To: <87ipl7c8b6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: Dave Abrahams , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >> As Juri said we should be able to customize this. But I don't like the >> idea of a global variable and I don't think that using the ALIST >> argument for this purpose is feasible either. It's something I planned >> to solve with the help of specifiers once ... > > I'm just curious do you plan to use display specifiers or window parameters? Display specifiers make sense only if you can merge them and people didn't like the idea of merging. The problem is that for certain buffers creating or reusing a small window might make sense while for other buffers it doesn't. Dave, for example, apparently does use small windows since otherwise `display-buffer' couldn't reuse them. But he doesn't want `save-some-buffers' reuse his small windows. So a global variable is hardly useful here and we probably have to use the ALIST argument of `display-buffer'. Window parameters OTOH are currently not customizable. We could give a window a `display-buffer-no-reuse' (which would be equivalent to setting the dedicatedness of that window to something non-nil-t) or `display-buffer-no-split' parameter. Again we needed some means to specify this via the ALIST argument. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 14:01:01 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2011 19:01:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ReWq4-0002Zn-T1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:01:01 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ReWq2-0002Zf-48 for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:00:59 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB44A68405F; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CD6451C680; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Organization: JURTA References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <4EF4AD67.2020203@gmx.at> <87ipl7c8b6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4EF59AC0.9070808@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:50:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4EF59AC0.9070808@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:26:24 +0100") Message-ID: <871ururuqg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: Dave Abrahams , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > Again we needed some means to specify this via the ALIST argument. In the same way as we can specify a display action like (nil (inhibit-same-window . t)) we could add a new ALIST specifier like (nil (inhibit-small-window . t)) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 14:33:21 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2011 19:33:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ReXLM-0003J8-0r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:33:21 -0500 Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.216.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ReXLJ-0003J0-LH for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:33:18 -0500 Received: by qadb15 with SMTP id b15so5854055qad.3 for <10186@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.185.6 with SMTP id cm6mr23545799qab.89.1324755054108; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id el7sm32620170qab.16.2011.12.24.11.30.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5E83A1C6AD37; Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Abrahams To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <4EF4AD67.2020203@gmx.at> <87ipl7c8b6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4EF59AC0.9070808@gmx.at> <871ururuqg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:30:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871ururuqg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:50:10 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: martin rudalics , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) on Sat Dec 24 2011, Juri Linkov wrote: >> Again we needed some means to specify this via the ALIST argument. > > In the same way as we can specify a display action like > > (nil (inhibit-same-window . t)) > > we could add a new ALIST specifier like > > (nil (inhibit-small-window . t)) IMO it would always be better to err on the side of larger windows by default if the buffer content doesn't fit entirely in a smaller one. That is, I'd rather see "inhibit-large-window" if and when it becomes necessary. -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 25 05:53:40 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2011 10:53:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Reli0-0007Ez-B1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 05:53:40 -0500 Received: from smtp-01.vtx.ch ([194.38.175.90]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Relhy-0007Er-4l for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 05:53:39 -0500 Received: from ceviche.home (dyn.144-85-136-084.dsl.vtx.ch [144.85.136.84]) by smtp-01.vtx.ch (VTX Services SA) with ESMTP id B688728874; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 11:51:10 +0100 (CET) Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 42264660D4; Sun, 25 Dec 2011 05:51:10 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough Message-ID: References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <4EF4AD67.2020203@gmx.at> <87ipl7c8b6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <4EF59AC0.9070808@gmx.at> <871ururuqg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 05:51:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <871ururuqg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:50:10 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: Dave Abrahams , martin rudalics , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> Again we needed some means to specify this via the ALIST argument. > In the same way as we can specify a display action like > (nil (inhibit-same-window . t)) > we could add a new ALIST specifier like > (nil (inhibit-small-window . t)) I think it makes a lot more sense to consider that inhibit-small-window is true by default. Or, ot put it more explicitly, I think that the solution is to let the user specify that his small windows are dedicated, along the lines of Martin's make-small-windows-softly-dedicated (tho it's be better to put this info in display-buffer-alist, so that windows don't get marked as dedicated just because some resize temporarily made them small, for example). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 27 12:51:19 2011 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2011 17:51:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RfbBG-0000xU-9Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:51:19 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RfbBC-0000xM-E3 for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:51:15 -0500 Received: by qcsf15 with SMTP id f15so7069894qcs.3 for <10186@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.185.6 with SMTP id cm6mr34203245qab.89.1325008112473; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pluto.luannocracy.com (207-172-223-249.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com. [207.172.223.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gw5sm24684016qab.11.2011.12.27.09.48.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by pluto.luannocracy.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5895A1C772C0; Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:48:24 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Abrahams To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:48:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:20:05 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) on Fri Dec 02 2011, martin rudalics wrote: >> No, my frame is huge. The problem is that it is already divided up, >> including a small window that sometimes/often gets chosen by Emacs for >> display-buffer. > > This happens because `display-buffer-use-some-window' tries the least > recently used window first. If that window happens to be small ... > > In any case this sounds like a more general problem with your setup so > maybe something like the following would help > > (defun make-small-windows-softly-dedicated () > (walk-window-tree > (lambda (window) > (cond > ((and (> (window-total-size window) 10) > (eq (window-dedicated-p window) 'too-small)) > (set-window-dedicated-p window nil)) > ((and (<= (window-total-size window) 10) > (not (window-dedicated-p window))) > (set-window-dedicated-p window 'too-small)))))) > > (add-hook 'window-configuration-change-hook 'make-small-windows-softly-dedicated) > > replacing the "10" by a value of your choice. Thanks; I've been using your trick for a few days and it seems to be working out; at least, I have not had much to complain about. -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 21 09:55:17 2022 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2022 13:55:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49162 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nhXHA-0008D3-UB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2022 09:55:17 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56802) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nhXH8-00087k-TT for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Apr 2022 09:55:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lsSPxvMYzm+V9Ld0meOLLM0fJoKbN6VzYfbG7cq9Mbw=; b=SaePFwUwurLJ9VGBheg58gJ2es uocn5CNK4QVjUCYENBccXgHCy8f88S1EfyPoZl8qySMMHWJC5Jff+G3J2RlblGMt9Ueblw+39Idrj cHrSrdjmf+E25z7gxxGgzIW6AksFP3C297+KUUxDahYWex0sl2rJoHiriXz3D/oucWOc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nhXGz-0005mH-CW; Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:55:07 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <8762hse5x1.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-Now-Playing: Richard and Linda Thompson's _Hard Luck Stories (5): The Madness of Love: Live 1975 & 1977_: "Dark End Of The Street (Live At Queen Elizabeth Hall, London 25.04.1975)" Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:55:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8762hse5x1.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:51:38 +0200") Message-ID: <8735i65yo7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov writes: > This is a more general problem for many users. It was discussed > in bug#10040 (also mentioned in bug#3419). I think there should a rule > for display-buffer to skip small windows. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: Dave Abrahams , martin rudalics , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov writes: > This is a more general problem for many users. It was discussed > in bug#10040 (also mentioned in bug#3419). I think there should a rule > for display-buffer to skip small windows. Martin then posted a function to make small windows softly dedicated, which fixes the problem. This was ten years ago, though -- has Emacs in the meantime grown a simpler way to avoid having very small windows chosen for display? 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Content preview: tags 10186 + moreinfo quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 10186 + moreinfo quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 20 06:06:49 2022 Received: (at 10186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2022 10:06:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrzWz-000729-Es for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 06:06:49 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:32958) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nrzWx-00071u-9N for 10186@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 06:06:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vSw89heODGYHUCgFJJwq4oba2yxHJaLfuN9SMd8+2mA=; b=q4NSaQTxNuGcpcAmaPkn2E81d/ m65TVgUoFodFPNQWWIEuoQl9hJyqySY9BqLfPRAevs/dE7uJenwjKu9FtagkhS+xFAFd1YHQst5Fs /PJdb7T5Df5uun/hIzAKabg+TZ7AWGgZoDAYX37pT4yTRPnY1FGGReCJar6vmehl/fAU=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrzWn-0006MJ-E9; Fri, 20 May 2022 12:06:40 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#10186: 23.3; save-some-buffers not making review windows large enough References: <4ED892A1.9010109@gmx.at> <4ED8D8F1.9070307@gmx.at> <4ED8FAB5.3050306@gmx.at> <8762hse5x1.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8735i65yo7.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Steven Brown's _Searching For Contact_: "Voxcon I" Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 12:06:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8735i65yo7.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:55:04 +0200") Message-ID: <877d6g5xhy.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: Dave Abrahams , martin rudalics , 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > This was ten years ago, though -- has Emacs in the meantime grown a > simpler way to avoid having very small windows chosen for display? > Because I think that would be very useful. There wasn't, so I've now added 'display-buffer-avoid-small-windows'. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Dave Abrahams writes: > Another 10 years of user confusion as they fail to discover this setting? That's a point, but changing how these window selection functions work is notoriously ticklish, because people have the most outlandishly complicated setups, and any change in the defaults pisses peop [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10186 Cc: 10186@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Dave Abrahams writes: > Another 10 years of user confusion as they fail to discover this setting? That's a point, but changing how these window selection functions work is notoriously ticklish, because people have the most outlandishly complicated setups, and any change in the defaults pisses people off. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:13:54 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2022 11:24:10 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator