From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:30:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.1322332191742 (code B ref -1); Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:30:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2011 18:29:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUN0Y-0000Bu-BP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:29:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUN0W-0000Bn-8y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:29:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMyp-0000zo-77 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:04 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,GAPPY_SUBJECT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:33481) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMyp-0000zk-5h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54789) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMyo-0004Pe-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMyn-0000za-0w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:02 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:62956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMym-0000zW-Qv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:00 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pAQIRwO0007883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:27:59 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAQIRwDm029882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:27:58 GMT Received: from abhmt102.oracle.com (abhmt102.oracle.com [141.146.116.54]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pAQIRq1G005106 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:27:53 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.44.65) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:27:52 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:27:43 -0800 Message-ID: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcysaRY4YJjl/Lo/SdG8ClTnKxVmDA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A020207.4ED12FAF.00BA,ss=1,re=0.594,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) emacs -Q 1. Download hexrgb.el and oneonone.el: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/hexrgb.el http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/oneonone.el 2.runemacs.exe -Q --debug-init -l "hexrgb.el" -l "oneonone.el" -f "1on1-emacs" 3. (setq special-display-regexps '("[ ]?[*][^*]+[*]")) 4. C-h i 5. C-x C-f some-file-somewhere.el You get the error "Cannot swith buffers in a dedicated window". What should happen is that the file is visited in a separate (normal) frame. That is what happens in Emacs 23 (and 22...20). [In releases prior to Emacs 24 you also need to do this, so that *info* is shown in a special-display frame. This is no longer needed or helpful in Emacs 24. (remove-hook 'same-window-regexps "\\*info\\*\\(\\|<[0-9]+>\\)") ] In GNU Emacs 24.0.91.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-11-21 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-2.10.1/include --ldflags -LD:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-2.10.1/lib' From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.13223349564764 (code B ref 10144); Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:16:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2011 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUNj9-0001En-Pm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:15:55 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUNj8-0001Eg-AA for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:15:55 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Nov 2011 19:14:09 -0000 Received: from 62-47-60-220.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.60.220]) [62.47.60.220] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 26 Nov 2011 20:14:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/mAPJ6FEHmGOHJY3zF+qtDTiWaP6BIVtRy77SyoW jhPTA8QNXfkqux Message-ID: <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 20:14:08 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > 3. (setq special-display-regexps '("[ ]?[*][^*]+[*]")) > > 4. C-h i > > 5. C-x C-f some-file-somewhere.el > > You get the error "Cannot swith buffers in a dedicated window". `find-file' shouldn't call `switch-to-buffer' with FORCE-SAME-WINDOW non-nil. martin From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'martin rudalics'" Cc: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.13223357255844 (code B ref 10144); Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2011 19:28:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUNvY-0001WD-SE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:28:45 -0500 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUNvX-0001W4-4e for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:28:43 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pAQJQvQ3017233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:26:58 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAQJQuET026908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:26:57 GMT Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pAQJQr9K025650; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:26:53 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.44.65) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:26:53 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:26:43 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> thread-index: Acysb5gYeh/GNyMlSp61DjdRGadkYwAAVR9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4ED13D82.0056,ss=1,re=0.594,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) > `find-file' shouldn't call `switch-to-buffer' with FORCE-SAME-WINDOW > non-nil. Not sure what you're saying, Martin. Are saying what the cause of the bug is? Or are you saying that there is no bug and that I'm doing something wrong? Or something else? Please elaborate/clarify a bit. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132239059522244 (code B ref 10144); Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2011 10:43:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUcCZ-0005mj-FS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 05:43:15 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUcCY-0005mc-1H for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 05:43:14 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Nov 2011 10:41:25 -0000 Received: from 62-47-52-40.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.52.40]) [62.47.52.40] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2011 11:41:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18d+7pTeJkd1zwEIpvWAxqZsegLydluDCmSeklEuw vrDenfp5Brospu Message-ID: <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:41:24 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > Not sure what you're saying, Martin. Are saying what the cause of the bug is? > Or are you saying that there is no bug and that I'm doing something wrong? Or > something else? Please elaborate/clarify a bit. According to the Elisp manual `find-file' does (switch-to-buffer (find-file-noselect filename nil nil wildcards)) which doesn't use the selected window if it's strongly dedicated to its buffer. So we should either change the manual or revert the change 2011-11-07 Stefan Monnier * files.el (find-file): Always use selected-window. martin From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'martin rudalics'" Cc: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132240359112247 (code B ref 10144); Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:20:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2011 14:19:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUfaB-0003BT-EI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:19:51 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUfa8-0003BI-LI for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 09:19:49 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pAREHwgh023455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:17:58 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAREHv22005684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:17:57 GMT Received: from abhmt104.oracle.com (abhmt104.oracle.com [141.146.116.56]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pAREHpnd024959; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:17:52 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.43.72) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:17:51 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:17:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Thread-Index: Acys8SG8mdLFm0R/SrG161Gw0gopIwAHMrnw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4ED24697.0055,ss=1,re=0.594,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) > According to the Elisp manual `find-file' ... doesn't use > the selected window if it's strongly dedicated to its buffer. > So we should either change the manual or revert the change I see; thanks. This is definitely a regression from all previous Emacs releases I'm aware of. A simpler recipe to reproduce it: emacs -Q C-x d some-dir M-x set-variable pop-up-frames t (set-window-dedicated-p (selected-window) t) RET ; on some file name In Emacs 24 you get the error "Cannot switch...". In previous releases the chosen file is visited in another frame. Dedicated windows should be primarily about making Emacs use a different window/frame. They should not just prevent showing the file altogether, by raising an error. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 'martin rudalics' , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132245516323440 (code B ref 10144); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 04:39:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUszy-000660-Jd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:39:23 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUszx-00065u-1P for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:39:22 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAS4bRuu017355; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:37:27 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F2DA358D75; Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:37:21 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:37:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:17:46 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4054=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4054> : streams <705744> : uri <1017210> X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) > emacs -Q > C-x d some-dir > M-x set-variable pop-up-frames t > (set-window-dedicated-p (selected-window) t) > RET ; on some file name > In Emacs 24 you get the error "Cannot switch...". In Emacs-24 and Emacs-21 and Emacs-22. > In previous releases the chosen file is visited in another frame. You mean in Emacs-23 only. > Dedicated windows should be primarily about making Emacs use a different > window/frame. They should not just prevent showing the file altogether, by > raising an error. If the user uses find-file rather than find-file-other-window, she presumably knows what she's doing. Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Drew Adams , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.13224873189683 (code B ref 10144); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV1Mb-0002W8-UP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:35:18 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV1Ma-0002W1-Ii for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:35:17 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Nov 2011 13:33:20 -0000 Received: from 62-47-46-178.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.46.178]) [62.47.46.178] by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 28 Nov 2011 14:33:20 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4Taxv/8m45U5+ZhYJ+Sh9+UAB2S9O+oi3habXQd Yy+larKtmGuCnd Message-ID: <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:33:20 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > If the user uses find-file rather than find-file-other-window, she > presumably knows what she's doing. When using C-x C-f. But what about the hundred or so calls of `find-file' in current Emacs sources? martin From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: 'martin rudalics' , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132249435620419 (code B ref 10144); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 15:32:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV3C8-0005JI-0W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:32:36 -0500 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV3C6-0005JA-6P for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:32:35 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pASFUbAU014879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:30:38 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pASFUaUH008643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:30:36 GMT Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pASFUUmS029297; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:30:31 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.44.97) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:30:30 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com><4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at><4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:30:24 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Acyth3aqwk8wQZV8Qpi45q0TDZH0qgAVJOzw X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4ED3A91E.010A,ss=1,re=0.594,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) > > emacs -Q > > C-x d some-dir > > M-x set-variable pop-up-frames t > > (set-window-dedicated-p (selected-window) t) > > RET ; on some file name > > > In Emacs 24 you get the error "Cannot switch...". > > In Emacs-24 and Emacs-21 and Emacs-22. No, only in Emacs 24 - but with my setup only, it seems (see below). With the recipe above, you are right. But with my setup, the original problem I reported occurs only for (recent) Emacs 24. Actually, with only the original recipe I gave, in the older releases *info* is not even shown as a special-display buffer, and its window is not dedicated (why?). So in that regard, that original recipe was also not complete for older versions. With the original recipe, why *info* is not dedicated, in spite of the settings (non-nil `pop-up-frames', `special-display-regexps' matching *info*, *info* removed from `same-window-regexps'), I don't know and don't have time to check now. But in my setup that is what I see in all Emacs versions except 24: the file is simply visited in a separate frame. See below for the likely reason. > > In previous releases the chosen file is visited in another frame. > > You mean in Emacs-23 only. No, I meant in all Emacs versions prior to 24 (with my setup). And in 24 too, back when Martin's code was used. > > Dedicated windows should be primarily about making Emacs > > use a different window/frame. They should not just prevent > > showing the file altogether, by raising an error. > > If the user uses find-file rather than find-file-other-window, she > presumably knows what she's doing. That's why (one reason) the user set `pop-up-frames' to non-nil. ;-) `find-file' in a non-dedicated window should use the same window. In a dedicated window it should (IMO) visit the file somewhere else (another window or, if non-nil `pop-up-frames' then another frame). What's the point of such an error message when Emacs could DTRT and show the user the buffer s?he asked to see? And as Martin pointed out, it is not only about C-x C-f, but `find-file' in general. More generally than that, it is about dedicated windows: trying to reuse a dedicated window should (IMO) just cause another window to be used. What's the point of such an error message? I can imagine that there might be special cases, e.g. the minibuffer, that would be problematic, but in general the buffer should (IMO) be shown, but in another window/frame. And I've had exactly that behavior for decades, with no special-casing and no problems. --- OK, I haven't looked in detail, but I did take a quick look, and it's likely that my setup works the way it does because, for versions < 24, I redefine `switch-to-buffer' so that if the current window is dedicated then another window is used. In Emacs 24 I haven't done that (didn't need to, so far). Here is the code: (if (< emacs-major-version 24) ;; REPLACES ORIGINAL (built-in): ;; 1) Use `read-buffer' in interactive spec. ;; 2) If current window is dedicated, then use another window. ;; NOTE: Emacs versions >= 19.34 signal error if dedicated window, instead ;; of using another one. Don't know what the 19.28 version did. ;; 3) Resize frame to fit sole window if `autofit-frames-flag' ;; (unless BUFFER is already the `current-buffer'). (defun switch-to-buffer (buffer &optional norecord) "Select buffer BUFFER in current window, unless the window is dedicated. If current window is dedicated (`window-dedicated-p'), then another window is used. BUFFER may be a buffer, a string (a buffer name), or nil. If BUFFER is a string that does not identify an existing buffer, then a new buffer with that name is created. If BUFFER is nil, then function `other-buffer' is used to choose a buffer. Optional second arg NORECORD non-nil means do not put BUFFER at the front of the list of recently selected buffers. The buffer switched to is returned. *WARNING*: This is NOT the way to work on another buffer temporarily within a Lisp program! Use `set-buffer' instead, to avoid messing with correspondences between windows and buffers. Resize frame to fit sole window if `autofit-frames-flag' \(unless BUFFER is already the `current-buffer')." (interactive (list (read-buffer "Switch to buffer: " (if (fboundp 'another-buffer) ; In `misc-fns.el'. (another-buffer nil t) (other-buffer (current-buffer)))))) ;; If string arg, convert to a buffer. If nil, use `other-buffer'. (setq buffer (if buffer (get-buffer-create buffer) (other-buffer))) (let ((orig-buf (current-buffer))) (prog1 (if (window-dedicated-p (selected-window)) (switch-to-buffer-other-window buffer) (old-switch-to-buffer buffer norecord)) (and (one-window-p t) (not (eq buffer orig-buf)) ; Don't resize if same buffer. autofit-frames-flag (fit-frame))))) ;; REPLACES ORIGINAL (built-in): ;; ;; Resize frame to fit sole window if `autofit-frames-flag' ;; (unless BUFFER is already the `current-buffer'). ;; (defun switch-to-buffer (buffer-or-name &optional norecord force-same-window) "Switch to buffer BUFFER-OR-NAME in the selected window. Return the buffer switched to. If called interactively, prompt for the buffer name using the minibuffer. The variable `confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer' determines whether to request confirmation before creating a new buffer. BUFFER-OR-NAME may be a buffer, a string (a buffer name), or nil. If BUFFER-OR-NAME is a string that does not identify an existing buffer, create a buffer with that name. If BUFFER-OR-NAME is nil, switch to the buffer returned by `other-buffer'. Optional argument NORECORD non-nil means do not put the buffer specified by BUFFER-OR-NAME at the front of the buffer list and do not make the window displaying it the most recently selected one. If FORCE-SAME-WINDOW is non-nil, BUFFER-OR-NAME must be displayed in the selected window. Signal an error if that is impossible (e.g. if the selected window is minibuffer-only). If nil, BUFFER-OR-NAME may be displayed in another window." (interactive (list (read-buffer-to-switch "Switch to buffer: ") nil 'force-same-window)) (let ((orig-buf (current-buffer)) (switch-buf (old-switch-to-buffer buffer-or-name norecord force-same-window))) (when (and (one-window-p t) (not (eq switch-buf orig-buf)) ; Don't resize if same buffer. autofit-frames-flag (fit-frame))) switch-buf))) --- For my part, I will try tweaking my setup to make it work with Emacs 24. But you might also want to consider doing what I do. I think users would prefer to have the buffer shown to them than to just see an error message about window dedication. I can at least testify that that behavior has been natural and helpful to me, for decades now. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: Drew Adams , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132249950128351 (code B ref 10144); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 16:58:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4X7-0007NE-2N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:58:21 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4X5-0007N7-2b for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:58:20 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pASGuMnh031548; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:56:22 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3D64B58D75; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:56:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:33:20 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: * X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 1 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered ZERO_OBF_STOCK=1, RV4055=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4055> : streams <705986> : uri <1017638> X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) >> If the user uses find-file rather than find-file-other-window, she >> presumably knows what she's doing. > When using C-x C-f. But what about the hundred or so calls of > `find-file' in current Emacs sources? I think at least 90% of them are bugs in any case (they're typically wrapped in the infamous save-window-excursion) and making them pop up a new frame is not significantly better than making them signal an error. Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'martin rudalics'" Cc: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132249984628976 (code B ref 10144); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 17:04:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4cf-0007XJ-SR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:04:06 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4cd-0007XB-40 for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:04:04 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pASH25XD001441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:02:06 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pASH24Iu017940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:02:05 GMT Received: from abhmt120.oracle.com (abhmt120.oracle.com [141.146.116.72]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pASH1xtP028544; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:01:59 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:01:58 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com><4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at><4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:01:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Thread-Index: Acyt7rBi0r+5LcQtSvGYzFzQB/gvXgAAG+8Q X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4ED3BE8F.0045,ss=1,re=0.594,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) > making them pop up a new frame is not significantly better > than making them signal an error. I can't speak to the bugs you're referring to, but my experience with my own setup (see previous mail) is that I have never been surprised or had an unfortunate experience by the buffer being shown in another window/frame (instead of getting the Cannot switch error). How about at least making that a user option? From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 'martin rudalics' , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132250017229477 (code B ref 10144); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 17:09:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4hv-0007fO-Lg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:09:32 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4ht-0007fG-A4 for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:09:30 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pASH7Wf6032664; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:07:32 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 388DA58D75; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:07:32 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:07:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:30:24 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4055=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4055> : streams <705990> : uri <1017645> X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) >> You mean in Emacs-23 only. > No, I meant in all Emacs versions prior to 24 (with my setup). > And in 24 too, back when Martin's code was used. I can't imagine how that could be the case: find-file has always used switch-to-buffer and switch-to-buffer in Emacs<23 never did anything else than use the selected window (and hence fail in minibuffer-only frames and dedicated windows). > What's the point of such an error message when Emacs could DTRT and > show the user the buffer s?he asked to see? The user decided to use RET rather than `o', so the user explicitly indicated that she wants to display the buffer in the selected window rather than in another window. So it's not obvious that displaying the buffer in another window is the right thing to do. OTOH I do agree that find-file is not quite like switch-to-buffer, in that the indication "use current window" is not as clear cut. Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: 'martin rudalics' , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132250127031079 (code B ref 10144); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 17:27:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4ze-00085E-Be for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:27:50 -0500 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV4zc-000856-6k for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:27:48 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pASHPpSS027187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:25:51 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pASHPn9n003534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:25:50 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pASHPiNl015228; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:25:44 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:25:44 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com><4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at><4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:25:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acyt8D+8raNux9Y2S2ap/USh7/yCPAAAFjXw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4ED3C420.0070,ss=1,re=0.594,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) > >> You mean in Emacs-23 only. > > No, I meant in all Emacs versions prior to 24 (with my setup). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > And in 24 too, back when Martin's code was used. > > I can't imagine how that could be the case: find-file has always used > switch-to-buffer and switch-to-buffer in Emacs<23 never did anything > else than use the selected window (and hence fail in minibuffer-only > frames and dedicated windows). Did you actually read my mail? Did you read the part about this being the case for _my setup_ but not for emacs -Q? Did you see where I show my redefinition of `switch-to-buffer'? That's the point of my clarification in that message: the new problem was with my setup only, and I suspect (seems pretty clear, but untested) that it is due to my not doing the same thing for Emacs 24 as I do for other versions. I used different code for 24 because, prior to some recent change in Emacs (?), Emacs 24 (unlike previous versions) DTRT _without_ my needing that tweak to `switch-to-buffer' for dedicated windows. > > What's the point of such an error message when Emacs could DTRT and > > show the user the buffer s?he asked to see? > > The user decided to use RET rather than `o', so the user explicitly > indicated that she wants to display the buffer in the selected window > rather than in another window. So it's not obvious that displaying > the buffer in another window is the right thing to do. I agree that such should be a user choice - it's not obvious a priori what the best thing to do is. IOW, let users choose what Emacs should do when there is an attempt to show another buffer in a dedicated window: raise an error or use another window. To me (from long use), the latter is a much better behavior, but I agree that users should be able to decide. I still ask the general question: What good is such an error? What am I missing? For instance, why would you, as one user, prefer faising the error to displaying the buffer in another window? I know you're used to the error behavior, but why, given the choice, would you actually prefer it? > OTOH I do agree that find-file is not quite like switch-to-buffer, in > that the indication "use current window" is not as clear cut. `find-file' is just one example. The point of my redefinition of `switch-to-buffer' (besides fitting the frame) is to use another window when the target window is dedicated. To me that makes sense, and I've used it for a very long time now, with no problems. I will, as I said, try to adjust my code so it works for Emacs 24 too. I haven't had a chance yet to check this and make that change, but assuming I'm right about the cause of the problem then (a) you can close this bug (please wait for me to confirm my supposition), but (b) please consider a user option to let users get the behavior I expect: use another window when the target window is dedicated. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 'martin rudalics' , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132250932814060 (code B ref 10144); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 19:42:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV75b-0003ej-N7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:42:07 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV75W-0003e7-Uf for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:42:06 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pASJe4sP001828; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:40:04 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4633E58BB2; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:40:04 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:40:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:01:58 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: * X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 1 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered ZERO_OBF_STOCK=1, RV4055=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4055> : streams <706028> : uri <1017743> X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) >> making them pop up a new frame is not significantly better >> than making them signal an error. > I can't speak to the bugs you're referring to, but my experience with my own > setup (see previous mail) is that I have never been surprised or had an > unfortunate experience by the buffer being shown in another window/frame > (instead of getting the Cannot switch error). Under Windows, I'd expect those bugs to manifest themselves by having a frame "flash" (because the find-file pops up a new frame which is immediately destroyed by the save-window-excursion). In other window managers, the behavior can be arbitrarily different (e.g. it can prompt the user to place the new frame, not knowing that it will be destroyed right away). Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#10144: closed (Re: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f') Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 10144 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:48:05 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1322509685-17400-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1322509685-17400-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 10144@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 10144: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D10144 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1322509685-17400-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 10144-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2011 19:47:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV7AU-0004VF-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:47:11 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RV7AQ-0004V4-PC for 10144-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:47:07 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pASJj97g002311; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:45:10 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A23E258BB2; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:45:09 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: <10144-done@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:45:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:25:41 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: * X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 1.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 3 Rules triggered ZERO_OBF_STOCK=1, GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4055=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4055> : streams <706029> : uri <1017746> X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 10144-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) I reverted the code to a behavior closer to Emacs-23's behavior. Stefan ------------=_1322509685-17400-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2011 18:29:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUN0Y-0000Bu-BP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:29:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RUN0W-0000Bn-8y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:29:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMyp-0000zo-77 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:04 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,GAPPY_SUBJECT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:33481) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMyp-0000zk-5h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54789) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMyo-0004Pe-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMyn-0000za-0w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:02 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:62956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RUMym-0000zW-Qv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:28:00 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pAQIRwO0007883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:27:59 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAQIRwDm029882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:27:58 GMT Received: from abhmt102.oracle.com (abhmt102.oracle.com [141.146.116.54]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pAQIRq1G005106 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:27:53 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.44.65) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:27:52 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:27:43 -0800 Message-ID: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AcysaRY4YJjl/Lo/SdG8ClTnKxVmDA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A020207.4ED12FAF.00BA,ss=1,re=0.594,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) emacs -Q 1. Download hexrgb.el and oneonone.el: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/hexrgb.el http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/oneonone.el 2.runemacs.exe -Q --debug-init -l "hexrgb.el" -l "oneonone.el" -f "1on1-emacs" 3. (setq special-display-regexps '("[ ]?[*][^*]+[*]")) 4. C-h i 5. C-x C-f some-file-somewhere.el You get the error "Cannot swith buffers in a dedicated window". What should happen is that the file is visited in a separate (normal) frame. That is what happens in Emacs 23 (and 22...20). [In releases prior to Emacs 24 you also need to do this, so that *info* is shown in a special-display frame. This is no longer needed or helpful in Emacs 24. (remove-hook 'same-window-regexps "\\*info\\*\\(\\|<[0-9]+>\\)") ] In GNU Emacs 24.0.91.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-11-21 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-2.10.1/include --ldflags -LD:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-2.10.1/lib' ------------=_1322509685-17400-1-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.13225444988481 (code B ref 10144); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2011 05:28:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVGEr-0002Cj-V4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:28:18 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVGEq-0002Ce-0V for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:28:17 -0500 Received: from [155.69.17.40] (port=46499 helo=furball) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RVGCv-0000FW-9X; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:26:17 -0500 From: Chong Yidong References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:26:10 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:45:09 -0500") Message-ID: <87ty5nfqj1.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Stefan Monnier writes: > I reverted the code to a behavior closer to Emacs-23's behavior. Using set-window-buffer has the disadvantage that now switch-to-buffer can't be affected by display-buffer-alist (except for the dedicated/minibuffer window case where pop-to-buffer is used). Why not use pop-to-buffer-same-window there, rather than set-window-buffer? From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Drew Adams , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.13225638504597 (code B ref 10144); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2011 10:50:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVLH0-0001C6-7Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:50:50 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVLGy-0001Bz-Qh for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:50:49 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Nov 2011 10:48:47 -0000 Received: from 62-47-46-43.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.46.43]) [62.47.46.43] by mail.gmx.net (mp068) with SMTP; 29 Nov 2011 11:48:47 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/GfIJm+qjGODejP9ReItwIJ6nUrbfXkLQNqktHWx +XMxzRubuBz5J3 Message-ID: <4ED4B88F.6000001@gmx.at> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:48:47 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) >> When using C-x C-f. But what about the hundred or so calls of >> `find-file' in current Emacs sources? > > I think at least 90% of them are bugs in any case (they're typically > wrapped in the infamous save-window-excursion) After a short look at most 10% are within a `save-window-excursion'. The rest is just "show me that file in some window". > and making them pop up > a new frame is not significantly better than making them signal > an error. We needed some sort of advise what program modes should typically use in this case. martin From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Drew Adams , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.13225638574617 (code B ref 10144); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2011 10:50:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVLH7-0001CQ-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:50:57 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVLH5-0001CH-CS for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:50:55 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Nov 2011 10:48:54 -0000 Received: from 62-47-46-43.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.46.43]) [62.47.46.43] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 29 Nov 2011 11:48:54 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX182SEwt7dE2vBBGCtLqhjsdGG5cLIFlaTsm5vYlNG ToMLiL2enWo+Mq Message-ID: <4ED4B896.6040109@gmx.at> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:48:54 +0100 From: martin rudalics User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Under Windows, I'd expect those bugs to manifest themselves by having > a frame "flash" (because the find-file pops up a new frame which is > immediately destroyed by the save-window-excursion). I'm missing you here. Returning from `save-window-excursion' won't destroy a frame created within its body. > In other window managers, the behavior can be arbitrarily different > (e.g. it can prompt the user to place the new frame, not knowing that > it will be destroyed right away). martin From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Chong Yidong Cc: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132257541825059 (code B ref 10144); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:04:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2011 14:03:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVOHZ-0006W7-9f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:03:37 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVOHX-0006Vz-8s for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:03:36 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pATE1XJd009964; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:01:34 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C83F94E758; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:01:33 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> <87ty5nfqj1.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:01:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ty5nfqj1.fsf@gnu.org> (Chong Yidong's message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:26:10 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: * X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 1 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered ZERO_OBF_STOCK=1, RV4055=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4055> : streams <706259> : uri <1018293> X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) >> I reverted the code to a behavior closer to Emacs-23's behavior. > Using set-window-buffer has the disadvantage that now switch-to-buffer > can't be affected by display-buffer-alist (except for the > dedicated/minibuffer window case where pop-to-buffer is used). > Why not use pop-to-buffer-same-window there, rather than > set-window-buffer? It's a safer change. Callers can use pop-to-buffer-same-window if they like that better. In the absence of display-buffer-alist there's also a difference of behavior for softly-dedicated windows where set-window-buffer will undedicate the window whereas pop-to-buffer-same-window will use another window. Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: Drew Adams , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132257553025227 (code B ref 10144); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2011 14:05:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVOJM-0006Yo-9h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:05:29 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVOJJ-0006Yf-E8 for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:05:26 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pATE3OiA010226; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:03:24 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 050ED4E758; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:03:24 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> <4ED4B896.6040109@gmx.at> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:03:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ED4B896.6040109@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:48:54 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: * X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 1 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered ZERO_OBF_STOCK=1, RV4056=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4056> : streams <706259> : uri <1018293> X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) >> Under Windows, I'd expect those bugs to manifest themselves by having >> a frame "flash" (because the find-file pops up a new frame which is >> immediately destroyed by the save-window-excursion). > I'm missing you here. Returning from `save-window-excursion' won't > destroy a frame created within its body. Indeed, it's not always going to flash, but those popped windows are often dedicated in my case, and the buffer is temporary, so the frame does get destroyed, but you're right: it's not destroyed by save-window-excursion. Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: Drew Adams , 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132257557325312 (code B ref 10144); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2011 14:06:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVOK4-0006aC-KC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:06:13 -0500 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVOK1-0006a4-Sr for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:06:11 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pATE48E7002568; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:04:09 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id ABC474E758; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:04:08 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com> <4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at> <4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> <4ED38DA0.70005@gmx.at> <4ED4B88F.6000001@gmx.at> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:04:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4ED4B88F.6000001@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:48:47 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: * X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 1.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 3 Rules triggered ZERO_OBF_STOCK=1, GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4056=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <4056> : streams <706259> : uri <1018293> X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) > We needed some sort of advise what program modes should typically use in > this case. find-file-noselect (followed by pop-to-buffer or some relative if they really want to display the buffer). Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:46:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#10144: 24.0.91; `pop-up-frames' with dedicated windows is broken: `C-x C-f' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10144 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: 10144@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 10144-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10144.132267736924675 (code B ref 10144); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 10144) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2011 18:22:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVonw-0006Pw-To for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:22:49 -0500 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RVonv-0006Po-Dq for 10144@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:22:48 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pAUIMfpA008742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:22:42 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAUIMdmf007240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:22:40 GMT Received: from abhmt104.oracle.com (abhmt104.oracle.com [141.146.116.56]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pAUIMYpV012358; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:22:34 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.179.10) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:22:34 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <42F11A5C92E54694A1779211C6EF56FE@us.oracle.com><4ED13A80.70408@gmx.at><4ED213D4.8070400@gmx.at> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:22:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acyt8D+8raNux9Y2S2ap/USh7/yCPAAAFjXwAGb6AOA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4ED67472.003B,ss=1,re=0.594,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) > I will, as I said, try to adjust my code so it works for Emacs 24 too. > > I haven't had a chance yet to check this and make that change, > but assuming I'm right about the cause of the problem then > (a) you can close this bug (please wait for me to confirm my > supposition), but (b) please consider a user option to > let users get the behavior I expect: use another window when > the target window is dedicated. This is to confirm (a) - I've adjusted my code so it does the same thing for Emacs 24 as for other releases: `switch-to-buffer-other-window' if the window is dedicated. I hadn't done that until now because previously Emacs 24 did not need this tweak. Now it needs it again. Wrt (b), I filed a separate enhancement request, #10171.