I'm running with a fairly standard kde plasma desktop - so the bit above the menu bar is all missing (and the left hand frame is the faulty one) > And what happens when you maximize the > frame and restore its normal size immediately afterwards? > Ah now that's interesting! When I maximize - selecting the relevant frame in the toolbar and using that popup WM menu option (I've also tried using M- and get the same result) the frame moves to the top left of the screen but *doesn't* maximise it remains (AFAICT) the same size and the minibuffer now disappears! With no minibuffer I then get # for the frame parameter. When I take off maximisation the minibuffer is restored - but still no window decorations. Is this a kde/plasma bug - or maybe a gtk/plasma bug? Robert -- Robert Marshall