I tried. It looks like having a control of some kind for make-frame, or altering make_frame to not use other_buffer_safely, are the only options.

make_frame calls other_buffer_safely which ignores the suggested frame parameters.

From buffer.c:

/* The following function is a safe variant of Fother_buffer: It doesn't
   pay attention to any frame-local buffer lists, doesn't care about
   visibility of buffers, and doesn't evaluate any frame predicates.  */

Lisp_Object
other_buffer_safely (Lisp_Object buffer)


On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 9:56 AM Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure, I'll use buffer-list / buffer-predicate and beat my make-frame calls into submission.

In the end, this was a surprise and it took a while to figure out why make-frame wasn't doing what I asked. I had to read the code for make_frame to figure this out. That, alone, is a good reason to at least mention it in the docstring, and will save some other people time.


On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 9:47 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2025 09:12:50 -0500
>
> make-frame's docstring says "creates and returns a new frame, displaying the current buffer." This is not
> true if the buffer is considered conventionally hidden.
>
> struct frame *
> make_frame (bool mini_p)
> ...
>     Lisp_Object buf = Fcurrent_buffer ();
>     /* If current buffer is hidden, try to find another one.  */
>     if (BUFFER_HIDDEN_P (XBUFFER (buf)))
>       buf = other_buffer_safely (buf);
>
> I'd prefer to have an option to be literal and allow users to make a frame on a hidden current buffer.

You can have that already via buffer-list and/or buffer-predicate frame
parameters, no?

> --- a/lisp/frame.el
> +++ b/lisp/frame.el
> @@ -915,6 +915,10 @@ x-display-name

>  (defun make-frame (&optional parameters)
>    "Return a newly created frame displaying the current buffer.
> +If the current buffer is hidden (its name starts with a space
> +character), then another buffer is chosen to display following the
> +semantics of `other-buffer'.

Thanks, but this is inaccurate: it is incorrect, for example, if
PARAMETERS include '((minibuffer . only)).

I'm not sure we should reveal those details here.  Hidden buffers are
handled specially in many places in Emacs, and I don't think we spell
that out in every doc string.

Stefan, WDYT?

In any case, if we do decide to make this change, the ELisp manual
should also be changed.