I attempted to address the issue using different Evil primitives. I opened a PR with bind-map. I can't say for certain that it addresses every concern, but I'm not having any problems with it so far.

https://github.com/justbur/emacs-bind-map/pull/13

Aaron

On Mon, Sep 01, 2025 at 10:20 AM, Aaron Jensen < aaronjensen@gmail.com > wrote:

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> The attached demonstrates the problem, I believe.
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> Aaron
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> On Mon, Sep 01, 2025 at 9:31 AM, Aaron Jensen < aaronjensen@ gmail. com (
> aaronjensen@gmail.com ) > wrote:
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>> It's my understanding that the check for set-explicitly is done because
>> given where this hook runs, it's possible that the mode variable is not
>> yet initialized, which means that even though it eventually will be, and
>> thus could be relied on, it may not be. Therefore, bind-map relies on
>> similar logic as the minor mode itself to determine whether or not the
>> minor mode *will eventually* be enabled. It seems like your proposed patch
>> to bind-map would be subject to this "hook race".
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>> Again, this is just an informed guess as I haven't set up the conditions
>> to reproduce it yet.
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>> I have extracted the relevant bind-map code to my own library that
>> depended on it:
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>> https:/ / github. com/ aaronjensen/ emacs-leader-key/ blob/ master/ leader-key.
>> el#L109 (
>> https://github.com/aaronjensen/emacs-leader-key/blob/master/leader-key.el#L109
>> )
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>> Currently, it still relies on set-explicitly (accepting both forms), but
>> if there's a way that we can get it to not I'd be happy to try it out.
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>> Aaron
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>> On Mon, Sep 01, 2025 at 8:42 AM, Stefan Monnier < monnier@ iro. umontreal.
>> ca ( monnier@iro.umontreal.ca ) > wrote:
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>>>>> After spending some time looking at the code, its history, and the
>>>>> corresponding doc, my conclusion is that `bind-map`s code was probably
>>>>> incorrect already with older Emacsen (just in different ways) and its
>>>>> intended behavior is far from clear, so I think it's best to leave this as
>>>>> a WONTFIX and let `bind-map`s authors figure out what to do on their side
>>>>> (tho I'd be happy to help them figure that out).
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>>>> You don't think we should even restore it and mark it as obsolete?
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>>> Since I believe bind-map's code was only half-working to begin with: no, I
>>> don't think it's worth the trouble. It would just help them muddle
>>> through. I'd rather help them fix their code for good.
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>>> Stefan
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