On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 10:00 AM Alvaro Ramirez wrote: > > > On 22 Jul 2025, at 14:41, Gerd Möllmann wrote: > > Stéphane Marks writes: > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 9:22 AM Gerd Möllmann > wrote: > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Ok to install, Eli? > > > Maybe. I'm not sure I understand what are the conclusions from your > experience, which eventually needed to use tcutil. Are we sure this > is just a fluke and not a more fundamental problem? > > > tccutil is a program that removes entries from a database containing > application-specific privacy settings. For example, if an app wants to > use the microphone or camera and such, it has to ask for permission, and > the result of that lands in that TCC database. 'tcc reset' clears such > entries. > > It's very possible that I denied Emacs access to the microphone in the > past because I routinely do that :-). Also to the camera, of course, and > such things. That may have been years ago, because I migrate my settings > from machine to machine for a very long time. And if so, it would have > been for a different dictation system because that whole thing changed > some years ago, around macOS 14, not sure. > > Anyway, the current dictation system apparently doesn't require special > privacy privileges, i.e. macOS doesn't ask for permission to use the > microphone for the current incarnation of dictation. But dictation also > doesn't work if one has "deny settings" in the TCC database. After > clearing these entries in with `tccutil reset`, Emacs now works like any > other app. > > So it seems at least. That's about what I can say. > > So far, the patch does not work on macOS 12.7.6 (the only version I use > across my Intel Macs). So something else is missing? > > > Time for OCLP, given that Monterey not longer receives security updates? > > > +1 I’d like to propose we treat macOS 12.7.6 / Intel as a separate issue > if that’s ok? > > We have a handful of folks who validated the fix is working in this thread > https://indieweb.social/@xenodium/114891280426640026 > > I’ve validated on macOS 15.3 / ARM myself. The thread also mentions macOS > 15.5 validated. > I'd be in favor of that ONLY if macOS 12.7.6 is specifically considered unsupported. Let's spend a little more time figuring out what's missing. There are reports that emacs-mac works fine with dictation on 12.7.6 so take a look at that code and see what they're doing differently?